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Steve:<br>
Find a map - googleEarth? - and chart a course connecting lots of people
to lots of destinations. <br>
That corridor may be what's being considered for part of the Coastal Rail
Trail... I'm not sure.<br><br>
My interest was for east-west connectivity - Clairmont area, Governor
Drive neighborhoods and University Town Center to Pacific/Mission Beach
and Bay.<br><br>
At 07:15 PM 3/31/2008, Steve McNeil wrote:<br>
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No. This trail does not cross the RR track anywhere. It comes
pretty close to it when you go under Regents and Genessee but so would a
vehicle, fire engine or otherwise. As for attaching a bike/ped
bridge to the 52 bridge, I can visualize a 180-270 degree loop on the
north side to get high enough over the tracks But I think
that is less practical. And you are talking about going into San Clemente
Canyon. What I am suggesting is a trail on the north side of
Rose Canyon and has far more gentle incline. You might have to
contend with objections from the RR and the La Jolla Colony Homeowner
Association. <br>
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<font size=2 color="#0000FF">I am not sure where it could go beyond
Genessee. You will have to avoid Miramar. You might turn
north to go on Nobel Drive or go under 805 to get to Clairemont Mesa (or
both). Maybe we can loop around to get back to San Clemente
Canyon. I think there are some possibilities here.<br>
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<font size=2 color="#0000FF">--Steve McNeil</font>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size=2>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: Jim Baross, Jr.
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mailto:JimBaross@cox.net</a>]
<dd>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:15 PM
<dd>To: Steve McNeil; Gene Carman; SDCBC
<dd>Subject: RE: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego<br><br>
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<dd>To connect to either of those canyon trails from the west, isn't it
necessary to cross the RR tracks?
<dd>There was a proposal at one time to attach a bike/ped crossing onto
the 52 bridge over the tracks. <br>
<dd>At 06:53 PM 3/30/2008, Steve McNeil
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd><font size=2 color="#0000FF">Highway 52 is in San Clemente
Canyon. Rose Canyon is the next one north. The Rose Canyon
Bike Path ends there. There is a good, well graded dirt road going
east from there and parallels the railroad track. I rode my
mountain bike on it. It goes east from near the bike path, goes
underneath Regents Road and underneath Genesee Avenue and beyond. That
kind of continuity is not possible in San Clemente Canyon as both Genesee
and Regents go all the way to the canyon floor there. It also has access
to both sides of each of these streets. It has one deep dip that
can be easily circumvented. I can just visualize it being paved as
an extension of the current Rose Canyon Bike Path, </font>
<dd>
<dd><font size=2 color="#0000FF">It would also solve the problem of
accessing the bike path for those who come down La Jolla Colony Drive and
get to the bike path. They could get to the bike path via this
extension.</font>
<dd>
<dd><font size=2 color="#0000FF">I thought this road is a fire access
road but I am not sure. It has that deep dip that I can't imagine a
fire truck getting through.</font>
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<dd><font size=2 color="#0000FF">--Steve McNeil.
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size=2> -----Original Message-----
<dd>From: sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org [
<a href="mailto:sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org%5DOn" eudora="autourl">
mailto:sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org]On</a> Behalf Of Jim Baross, Jr.
<dd>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:18 PM
<dd>To: Gene Carman; SDCBC
<dd>Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego<br><br>
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<dd>Which one(s) first?
<dd>My recommendation - Hwy 52, to/from Hwy 5 as far east as
possible/reasonable.
<dd>We've tried several times. This canyon non-route is probably one of
the reasons SDCBC got started; a controversy w/the Sierra Club when 15
went in.
<dd>Maybe there are other sites?
<dd>At 02:05 PM 3/30/2008, Gene Carman wrote:<br><br>
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<dd>Actually a bikepath "hiway" along the same routes of the
existing freeways would probably serve the largest population in the area
due to population growth that tends to occur along freeways.
Cyclists want to go to the same locations as drivers. <br>
<dd>In many cases, there is a wider amount of land dedicated to the
freeway right of way then is actually used for freeway... a single
bikepath can be created in less space then 2 new lanes on a freeway, and
along the same right of way. Adding a 10 foot wide bikepath
can reduce the traffic load on a freeway more then adding two 10 foot
wide lanes to a Freeway can reduce congestion.
<dd>Funding should come from the same agencies that fund
Freeways... bike transportation facilities are simply another form
of public transportation.
<dd>OK, I've answered all the questions... when do we get started?
<br>
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<dd>At 10:13 AM 3/30/2008, Jim Baross, Jr.
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>I'm happy and supportive of Eric's inspirations! Speaking in
generalities, this sounds and could be wonderful... though you are likely
to read responses about how it couldn't or shouldn't be done.
:-(
<dd>To seriously act on the inspiration - one that isn't BTW new to many
of us - something besides dreaming and typing needs doing, right?
<dd>Now, a few task suggestions. Figure out exactly where you think such
a proposal would work in the San Diego area; a Bike Path or maybe a
Bicycle Boulevard or ? .. connecting what and following or creating what
route... then maybe think about/research an estimate of costs 'cause
besides location, cost matters big time! You might be ready then with a
proposal that SDCBC, an individual, or ? would propose to the site-owning
agency for funding. Sound exciting? Good, then do it.
<dd>It's sort of useless to debate the generalities between facility
types when it's the specific site and uses that make for bigger
differences, IMHO. Let's get specific.
<dd>* Ban all but bikes, transit and delivery vehicles in a downtown
area?... or impose single-occupancy vehicle use taxes for downtown like
London has?
<dd>* Create a Bike Path/MUP/Bike Boulevard linking Mid City or UCSD/SDSU
or ? to Downtown or University Town Center/La Mesa or ?
<dd>* what?
<dd>Jim (likes dreams, lives reality) Baross
<dd>At 01:52 AM 3/30/2008, Eric Converse
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>I've been inspired. These recent discussions on bicycle paths
have led me to create the following blog entry:
<dd>San Diego and Bogota Columbia (a bicyle path comparison):
<dd><a href="http://www.ativsolutions.com/cblog">
www.ativsolutions.com/cblog</a>
<dd>In short, you'll notice that Bogota (serving a much larger, and
poorer, population) does a couple of things we don't do here. Their
bicycle paths are contiguous and are routed through major population
centers. While many of our bicycle paths, while pretty (riding next
to the water mainly),are often fragmented with huge gaps between
them. What we need are long continuous paths (much like our freeway
system) that provide a backbone for this city's bicycle transportation
network. Needless to say we won't always be on a bicycle path no
matter how good we make the system, but we can provide a network that
links the city together and serves vastly more people.
<dd>Can't we do at least as good as a poor city in a third world
country?
<dd>Eric</blockquote>
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