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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>Hello Kathy and All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>Bike lane marking IN or
OUT of the bike lane?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>I was informed that basketball
would be a better reference for OUT as soccer ball is IN on line.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>Maybe it is different in
each state, I am in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>.
Only a small wager is involved.</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> <br>
<br>
</span></font><b><font size=4 color=green><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:green;font-weight:bold'>After some Google searching I turned up the
following:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> <br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.nysdot.gov/portal/page/portal/divisions/engineering/design/dqab/hdm/hdm-repository/chapt_17.pdf"
target="_blank"><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:green;font-weight:
bold'>https://www.nysdot.gov/portal/page/portal/divisions/engineering/design/dqab/hdm/hdm-repository/chapt_17.pdf</span></font></b></a></span></font><b><font
size=4 color=green><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>
seems to show the lane is measured like auto traffic lane lines and each lane
is measured to the CENTERLINE of the markings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>So I guess it is a push
and the answer is neither IN nor OUT ...... I get only half of the line for my
bike and the other half goes to the motorist. I did not find a specific
references in the Federal references: <a
href="http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/PED_BIKE/univcourse/swtoc.htm">http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/PED_BIKE/univcourse/swtoc.htm</a>
or <a
href="http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/fapg/cfr0652.htm">http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/fapg/cfr0652.htm</a>
or <a href="http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno-tutintro.html">http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno-tutintro.html</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><br>
</span></font><b><font size=4 color=green><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:green;font-weight:bold'>Perhaps there is a legal interpretation of the
line (that is different from an engineering construction design spec) that
comes into play when an accident is involved.</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><b><font size=4 color=green><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:green;font-weight:bold'>Cheers,</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'> <br>
<br>
</span></font><b><font size=4 color=green><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:green;font-weight:bold'>Neal</span></font></b><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Kathy Keehan
[mailto:execdir@sdcbc.org] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 02, 2007
11:17<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nealhe@cox.net;
sdcbc@bikesandiego.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> re: Is the paint part of
the bike lane? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Ok, you’ve
stumped me. I have no idea whether or not the line is technically in the lane
or not. If I had to guess, I’d say that the line is not part of the lane
(otherwise it would be hard to decide WHICH lane the paint belongs to –
the bike lane or the rightmost regular lane?). If anyone has some other
information, please let me know so I can store it in my vast reserves of
bicycle trivia!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Neal Henderson</st1:PersonName> [mailto:nealhe@cox.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 01, 2007
7:58 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Kathy Keehan'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">SDCBC</st1:PersonName>] FW: Mayor Begins Managed Competition
Assessments<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>Hello Kathy,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>As I was riding by bike
today a trivia question came up – is the line that delineates the bicycle
lane on the side of the road and approaching intersections IN or OUT of the
bike lane?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>For example if my front
wheel was a tennis ball it would be in the bike lane – but if my front
wheel was a soccer ball it would be out of the bike lane.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=4 color=green face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green;font-weight:bold'>Neal<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Interesting to note
that ‘Pavement Markings and Signs’, a $4.6 million per year
program, will be one of the functions considered for managed competition. This
will definitely impact cyclists, and we’ll have to keep an eye out to
make sure that any outsourcing proposal includes guarantees that bicyclists
needs will be included and that they will be designed and implemented
correctly. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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