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<DIV><SPAN class=578174401-01102007></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>A<SPAN class=578174401-01102007> similar situation to
the Carmel Mountain Road bike crossing design occurred in Rancho Santa Fe
about 10 years ago, along El Camino del Norte. It, too, was paved
over a river (Escondido Creek) that was "dry" for most of the year. When
it rained, riders (and sometimes cars -- high riding pickups and those
new-fangled SUVs generally could make it across) were diverted to cross the
existing bridge on Rancho Santa Fe Road over Escondido Creek near
where it intersects with Encinitas Blvd and Manchester. Or you, as a
cyclist, could take your chances (or sometimes an obliging truck would
carry you and your bike over the water -- local drivers were much
friendlier towards bikes back then.) It was a long hilly way around if you
found out too late that the El Camino del Norte route was impassible
at the "creek."</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>Then in '97 and '98 we had two heavy El Nino years, and
in the second year a security patrol vehicle tried to cross the water (at night,
I believe) got washed downstream and the driver had to be rescued (I
saw the vehicle the next morning hanging in the brush downstream
lodged against a tree.) That incident was sufficient to get a bridge built
over the "creek" on El Camino del Norte for ALL vehicles within about a
year. I guess someone had to sue, be hurt or in serious danger before the
problem got fixed for everyone - there hasn't been a problem for any
legitimate road user to my knowledge since the bridge went
in.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>************</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>This silting, in my opinion, is also what makes the
currently proposed I-5 underpass option for the SR-56 path to connect to
Sorrento Valley Road Multi-Use Path completely untenable.
Imagine if "they" (that's taxpayer money) spent the estimated $1.8M
for a bike/ped underpass, but that it was completely filled with sediment
for 2 or so years at a time (the actual situation that area is in
now). What a waste! It should be a matter of public record how
few times the delta has been "desilted" in the past decade if you want a
realistic idea of how often the area is dredged (I recall just three times
in the past 10 years, and one of those was for the Torrey Pines/Camino Del Mar
bridge reconstruction.) </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>We "could" construct a successful underpass
to connect the SVR path to the SR-56 path if it were located about 1/2 mile
further south (and consequently considerably uphill from the Carmel Valley
"creek") where the I-5 is already built upon a high embankment (making it
possible for the underpass to be nearly level with the path on both
sides) that would not be in danger of flooding at any time of year or if
the delta silted up. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>The cost of this option, as I recall from
discussion at an earlier SDCBC board meeting, was about that of what
is being currently discussed for a bike/ped overpass further north today.
Given the rather high amount of biker and runner traffic we encountered on the
SR-56 path this morning near El Camino Real, I believe that
this would make the underpass unlikely to be used by vagrants,
and a wide enough path for access by patrol vehicles would pretty much guarantee
that the problem could be dealt with as needed. The "high ground"
underpass would also be a better commuter connector by shortening the route
east- to/from-south by at least 1/2 mile, probably more, especially as there is
no "destination" at any location under discussion for the intersection. It
certainly would not add any more distance or inconvenience for those
traveling north from the paths' intersection.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>**********</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>The SR-56 path needs the serious attention and work
that was promised when the SR-56 design was passed by San
Diego taxpayers! Citizens are already getting hurt and killed
(two weeks after the SR-56 path opened an errant driver left the freeway,
crossed over and I believe through a chain-link fence and killed a cyclist on
the new path.) The shortcuts taken to "finish" the SR-56 project (I
believe mandated by a few politicians that needed it opened to motorized traffic
by a certain date to satisfy a public promise -- there certainly was a
credibility issue at stake at the time) have compromised the safety of the
public-at-large at several points along the path today.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>Maybe it's time for a few well thought out op-ed pieces
in the local papers by concerned citizens...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>Just my rant, count me frustrated with the
situation,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=578174401-01102007>Tony</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org
[mailto:sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kathy
Keehan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Danette
Hoffert'; 'Gene Carman'<BR><B>Cc:</B> sdcbc@bikesandiego.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [SDCBC] 56 bike path report<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It’s
actually not the community’s problem. If it was, it would be fixed by now.
:-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">My
understanding is that the City of San Diego is responsible for the sedimentation
ponds further down the creek, which are now full and need dredged (or some other
maintenance activity – I’m not exactly sure.) The blockage further down the
creek is what is causing the water to back up over the path.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’ll
forward the email to Brad Jacobson, the person in charge of this project at the
City, to see what the status is.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Kathy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Danette Hoffert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:05
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gene Carman<BR><B>Cc:</B>
sdcbc@bikesandiego.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SDCBC] 56 bike path
report<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>That stretch is located in a home development with a gulf
course. They are responsible for this water problem on a public bike
trail, yet no one has enforced it. It has been in this state for over two
years and in winter when we have any rain, it is a river with algae
underneath. Kind of like snow with ice underneath if you are from snow
country. It is about time that someone makes the gulf course/homeowners
correct this problem. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>BTW, I fell there last year as well as my husband. Very
slick. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Danette <BR><BR> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote>On 9/30/07, <B>Gene Carman</B> <<A
href="mailto:gcarman@san.rr.com">gcarman@san.rr.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On my latest trek down the 56 bike path the other day, I
noticed that<BR>a steady small stream is crossing the weir. There has
been no more <BR>than about 2 feet of wet stuff for the past week, but the
steady<BR>state is causing the algae to grow, which will make for a
slick<BR>surface. The 2 foot wide stream BTW is the narrow portion,
it is<BR>much wider, closer to the slimy source. (that has got to be
some <BR>sort of mosquito massive breeding
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Danette M. Hoffert's email
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