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<P>Red Ball or Blue Ball False Dichotomy</P></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Friends,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>CALTRANS is presenting you with a false dichotomy it is
not only a choice of an undercrossing or an overcrossing. These guys
always want to give you only two competing choices.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Does baby want the Red Ball or Blue Ball? No maybe we
want something else or have it all. This is a multi billion dollar
project. The environment may demand an undercrossing which can also have a
trail and path. Bikes and walkers may be served by both .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Make sure you ask for the patrol car width or you will end up
with a one lane narrow path.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>All the best<BR>John Stump<BR>4133 Poplar<BR>City Heights, California
92105</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tbrooks@qualcomm.com href="mailto:tbrooks@qualcomm.com">Tim
Brooks</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=wblomgren@gmail.com
href="mailto:wblomgren@gmail.com">Wade Blomgren</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=sdcbc@bikesandiego.org
href="mailto:sdcbc@bikesandiego.org">Sdcbc</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SDCBC] SR56-Sorrento Valley
Road connector</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3>I'm with Wade--something rideable sooner is better
than waiting for all the bells and whistles in ten years.
<BR><BR>Tim<BR><BR> At 03:09 PM 8/29/2007, Wade Blomgren wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">To me it hinges on how vulnerable
the undercrossing would be to<BR>extended closure from flooding. I
assume the bridge option will be<BR>much more expensive.<BR><BR>Since either
solution is probably many dollars and years from actually<BR>being
implemented (along those lines, how long is it going to take<BR>Caltrans to
restore the 50 meters of asphalt at the north end of SVR<BR>to make that
section all-weather and less sketchy on narrow<BR>tires????....that's got to
be going on 10 years or more now ), it<BR>seems to me lobbying for some
relatively dirt cheap improvements to<BR>the current bike path terminus
would make a lot of sense.<BR><BR>A curb cut and some asphalt on the east
side of ECR would accommodate<BR>entry from and exit to southbound ECR, and
repaving of the ragged<BR>existing ramp (there's already a curb cut), and
ideally, some<BR>realignment as to pitch and switchback angle of the ramp on
the west<BR>side would improve that transition. As I'm sure Serge
would agree,<BR>it's not all that hard to get to SVR from there via El
Camino Real and<BR>Carmel Valley Road. Or, if you're ultimately headed
south through<BR>Sorrento Valley, it's not that big a deal to just go on up
ECR and<BR>turn right on Carmel Mountain, probably less arduous than a
7.7%<BR>bridge, and if you're going the other way (out Carmel Valley road
to<BR>the beach), the 50 yards going past the park&ride you'd get on
SVR<BR>isn't of much additional use compared to the aforementioned taking
of<BR>ECR direct to Carmel Valley Road. I realize the roadway
transitions<BR>aren't necessarily practical for, say, kids on training
wheels, but at<BR>this point SVR itself isn't much of a destination unless
you're headed<BR>for a tour of the sewer pump station.<BR><BR>I would hope
that such obvious and inexpensive improvement to the<BR>current transitions
wouldn't impede further consideration of extending<BR>the class 1 facility,
but frankly even if it does I think it's worth<BR>it - those transitions are
needed regardless of how they decide to<BR>deal with the
freeway.<BR><BR>Wade<BR><BR>On 8/29/07, Kathy Keehan
<execdir@sdcbc.org> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Your input needed!<BR>><BR>> We've been asked to provide comments for
a feasibility study for the<BR>> connection between the west end of the
56 bike path and Sorrento Valley<BR>> Road. As many of you know, there's
a giant freeway in the way there, and the<BR>> City and Caltrans are
looking for ways to get bicyclists across.<BR>><BR>> There are a
couple of options, basically one over the freeway and one under<BR>> it.
Which do you like better?<BR>><BR>> The bridge would be your typical
12 foot wide bike/ped bridge over the<BR>> freeway. It would be about 17
feet above the traffic at a minimum, and would<BR>> have 6.5% and 7.7%
grades for the approaches (200 to 400 feet long depending<BR>> on the
design), and 90 degree turns at each end of the bridge.<BR>><BR>> The
undercrossing would go under I-5, with a minimum vertical clearance of
8<BR>> foot 3 inches. There will be concerns about water (particularly in
wet<BR>> years), lighting, and security. The grades down to the
undercrossing would<BR>> be about 7.5% for a couple hundred feet, then up
at about 3% for about 80<BR>> feet. It will have a fairly sharp turn on
the west side of the freeway to<BR>> connect to existing Sorrento Valley
Road.<BR>><BR>> Bridge ­ less potential maintenance, open even in
wet weather, uphill both<BR>> ways, over noisy auto
traffic/fumes<BR>><BR>> Undercrossing ­ downhill both ways,
quieter, more potential maintenance,<BR>> potential to be closed in wet
weather<BR>><BR>> Which do you prefer?<BR>><BR>>
Kathy<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> Kathy
Keehan<BR>><BR>> Executive Director<BR>><BR>> San Diego County
Bicycle Coalition<BR>><BR>> P.O. Box 34544<BR>><BR>> San Diego,
CA 92163<BR>><BR>> 858.487.6063<BR>><BR>>
execdir@sdcbc.org<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://www.sdcbc.org/"
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