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Here Dan points to the fundamental problem of lack of education...
of users of the roadway. As long as all the users of the roadway
are not familiar with each others rights and the rules involved...
then the problem will continue to exist. <br><br>
You and Dan and even John Forester will continue to insist that cyclists
must be trained in some separate manner from motorists and that motorists
don't need any further training... but since there is very little
infrastructure to reach cyclists, more new cyclists will hit the road
than can ever be trained in a life time, by the current
methods. <br><br>
The ideal way to reach <b>all users of the road</b> is to simply
incorporate training in an already well established "path" of
training... either into the current school system where "use of the
roads" should be a subject as important as health classes and PE, or
in a longer form of drivers ed that goes beyond the basics and teaches
the ethics and responsibilities of all the road users. <br><br>
Until then, only a few cyclists will ever gain the knowledge of which Dan
speaks. Apparently even Monica Howe, the outeach coordinator of the
LA County Bicycle Coalition, who should be well familiar with this
information... was not. How then do we expect college
freshmen, just cycling to class, to ever gain this knowledge?<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:02:32
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From: Dan Gutierrez <Dan.Gutierrez@Charter.Net><br>
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Bikes vs Cars. An NBC news story in L.A.<br>
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Serge,<br>
You asked: "What can we do to get cyclists to stop talking and, more
importantly, to stop thinking like this?"<br>
.<br>
The concept is easy, just make them aware of their road rights and
responsibilities; this you do with education not stripes. The
implementation OTOH is difficult, since it takes time for people's
emotions to catch up. Even if you learn and "know" in the
intellectual sense that you as a cyclist have the right to control lanes
for your own safety, it takes time before you "feel"
comfortable doing this. We have found that video showing the
on-bike cyclist perspective helps most people overcome their aversion to
controlling lanes and accelerates the process of getting them to act like
drivers and feel comfortable doing it.<br>
.<br>
Serge also asked: "Dan/Brian - any chance you can share a link to
that clip?"<br>
.<br>
Just go to our main website
<a href="http://www.DualChase.com">www.DualChase.com</a> and click on the
video sample link to the CyclistView website near the bottom of the home
page. This will play the clips on two slides from our Integrated
Traffic Cycling(TM) introduction. The first slide shows lane
control on a 4 lane road as part of a description of the skills needed by
cyclists to act as vehicle drivers, the second is the side by side
comparison Serge wants you to see, which demonstrates very nicely that
all other variables (cyclist, bike, speed-15mph, trafic conditions, lane
widths, etc.) being equal, the way motorists pass cyclists is determined
by the cyclists' lane position. Too far right, and the cyclist will
be pased uncomfortably closely within the same lane, far enough left and
the motorists make lane changes. These two clips wer taken less
than two minutes apart during afternoon commute traffic. This
effect is quite striking, and in practice very nice for those cyclists
that learn to control lanes.<br>
.<br>
I should also note that on Friday afternoon, I showed Monica Howe, the
oureach coordinator of the LA County Bicycle Coalition, our inclusive
advocacy briefing, and explained our right to use road space (much
centering on the flowdown from CVC21200 to 21650 to 21654, and the
further restrictions of 21202) some of which she wasn't aware (didn't
know about CVC21202 exception (a)(4) for example). Since Monica has
become the media darling for the LA times and TV news (she was in the
Road Wars! piece), and is interested in imporving her traffic skills,
Brian and I will be training her and some other LACBC members in the near
future. My goal in this work is to make the advocates more aware of
their rights and be better spokespeople for integrated cycling and the
rest of the cycling behavior spectrum.<br>
.<br>
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mailto:serge.issakov@gmail.com</a>]<b>On Behalf Of</b> Serge Issakov<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DarrylMacKenzie@cox.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> San Diego County Bicycle Coalition; Dan Gutierrez; Brian
DeSousa<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [SDCBC] FW: Bikes vs Cars. An NBC news story in
L.A.<br><br>
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At least they acknowledged the concept of cyclists acting like vehicle
drivers, though they misrepresented what it is ("bikes acting like
cars"), did not give a hint about how well it works, and basically
quickly dismissed it ("just won't work in L.A" - no mention of
why) and moved on to the tired old "solution": separation of
cyclists from motor traffic through the use of
"facilities". <br><br>
The clip of the KFI road cyclist Michael Clarke at 0:55 being closely
passed in a narrow lane looked like it was a typical southern CA
arterial, the type on which Dan Gutierrez and Brian DeSousa have filmed
and shown dramatically the effect of riding as far right as Clarke is
shown to be riding versus riding just a couple of feet further
left. In the former case -- using the Clarke "separation
style", if you will -- most drivers are invited to pass by
squeezing into the narrow lane with the cyclist, just like it was shown
on this news report. In the latter case, by riding in a
lane-controlling position, everyone changes lanes to pass, and the
cyclist has plenty of room. <br><br>
In addition to his riding style, Clarke reveals why he has the issues
that he has through his own words of deference, "there is no sense
of sharing, it is a battle for space. I have to battle for my five
inches out there". Battle? Five inches? Can anyone
say, "self-fulfilling prophecy"? At the end of the piece,
at 3:22, Clarke discloses more about his sense of inferiority:
"Right now the cars rule. It's their road. And it's my
job to go in there and figure a way in and out of them". <br><br>
What can we do to get cyclists to stop talking and, more importantly, to
stop thinking like this?<br><br>
Dan/Brian - any chance you can share a link to that clip?<br><br>
Serge <br><br>
<br><br>
On 2/8/07, <b>Darryl MacKenzie</b>
<<a href="mailto:DarrylMacKenzie@cox.net">DarrylMacKenzie@cox.net</a>
> wrote: <br>
<dl>
<dd>Interesting story from a former Cyclo-Vet.<br><br>
<dd>Hi All,<br><br>
<dd>I just saw a news story on NBC, Channel 4, LA. It was called
"Road Wars"<br>
<dd>and was a news exclusive about bikes vs. cars. I taped it and then
had the <br>
<dd>story uploaded to YouTube. The news previews made it look like a
hard<br>
<dd>hitting and scary piece for cyclists. They could have done a lot
better with<br>
<dd>the story. Check it out and see for yourself.<br>
<dd><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbeDxOHfT68">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbeDxOHfT68</a><br>
<dd>Troy<br><br>
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