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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Pedestrian Crosswalks
....... <b><span style='font-weight:bold'><a
href="http://www.azdot.gov/highways/Traffic/XWalk.asp">http://www.azdot.gov/highways/Traffic/XWalk.asp</a>
</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>FOREWORD<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The Arizona Department
of Transportation's crosswalk policy is based on research conducted over a
seven-year period by the City of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">San
Diego</st1:City></st1:place>. The <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San
Diego</st1:place></st1:City> approach to evaluating crosswalk needs, which
resulted from that research, has resulted in that city being consistently
ranked as the safest pedestrian city in the nation. </span></font><b><font
size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
font-weight:bold'>The San Diego study showed traffic engineers that nearly six
pedestrian accidents were occurring in marked crosswalks for every one mishap
in unmarked crosswalks (those unpainted crosswalks that exist by State law at
all intersections)</span></font></b><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>. </span></font><font
size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>(emphasis
added) When this ratio was adjusted in terms of relative crosswalk usage, there
was still an impressive 2 to 1 difference in accidents. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Neal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=5 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces@bikesandiego.org] On
Behalf Of John Forester<br>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 18:30<br>
To: Trevor Bourget; Sachi Wilson; Sdcbc<br>
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Good article on bicycle scorrlaws</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Well, two different points of view, both of which have considerable <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>merit but neither of which dig sufficiently deep to understand what <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>they have in common. My comments are below.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Sachi Wilson wrote: "I disagree that this is a conscious <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>preference. It's social ignorance. Society has no clue,
really, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>what it "prefers" for cyclists. When you talk to people
who do not <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>cycle seriously, once you get past the "keep them on the sidewalks
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>and trails" mentality, they DO begin to see that it is the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>incompetent and unlawful cyclists who cause the great majority of the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>problems that THEY perceive. And then they start listening . . .
So <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>really, even "society" can have a preference for lawful and
competent <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>cycling behavior, _once they are educated_ in what that behavior can <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>do for them. That is the key and the problem -- trying to educate
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>not just cyclists, but people who don't think they even care about
cycling."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To whichTrevor Bourget replied: "I have to disagree. Watch people
who <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>ride bikes or walk, and you can see that they would not prefer to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>have to worry about what "rules" they should be following,
and they <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>would rather not follow the rules they are "supposed to" know
about. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>People walk across streets wherever they want, ignoring crosswalks. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>They ride bikes in whichever direction they prefer, and on the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>sidewalk or in the roadway, as their whim dictates. People consider <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>driving to be "work", and bike riding and walking to be
"play".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"People who try to make "work" out of cycling, by
suggesting it does <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>or should have rules, are perceived as spoiling the fun. Many people <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>who don't ride a bike very often have one, and they don't want to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>have their fun ruined when they take their bike to the park or on <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>their next vacation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"The interesting part is the "having their cake and eating it
too" <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>mentality, because it's the consequence of lawlessness that bicycle <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"club cyclists" play on the streets, ignoring stop signs and
traffic <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>lights. The choices of a lawful cyclist are unfortunately seen in the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>same light, so drivers don't know that these riders are choosing lane <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>position by a different set of criteria than "because I want
to"."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Sarah has offered the explanation of social ignorance, while Trevor <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>has offered the explanation of cycling as play. Not so different, are <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>these? Well, we'll see.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Before we proceed, I differ a bit with Trevor's criticism of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>pedestrians crossing the street anywhere, "ignoring <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>crosswalks." Pedestrians are allowed to cross streets at any
point, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>except when crosswalks exist nearby. There are two different issues <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>about ignoring the presence of crosswalks: safety and traffic <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>control. The safety issue is very dubious; professional opinion has <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>not clearly adopted the view that crossing in crosswalks presents <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>less risk of accident, or the opposite view that using crosswalks is <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>as dangerous, or more dangerous, than not using them. The issue of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>traffic control concerns the effect of pedestrians upon the flow of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>motor traffic. While there are places where pedestrian traffic <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>controls motor traffic (parts of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Manhattan
Island</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">NY</st1:State></st1:place>, for
example), <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>in most places I think that pedestrians are pretty careful not to put <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>themselves in a position where their safety requires a significant <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>change in the flow of motor traffic. I think that introducing <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>pedestrians to this discussion does nothing to further the discussion <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>of cyclist behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Attributing these instances to social ignorance, or to the desire <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>that cycling be play, ignores the role of society in creating these <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>attitudes. For example, while Sachi writes that people are ignorant <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>about cycling, she also writes that they already have the "keep
them <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>on the sidewalks and trails mentality." That's not ignorance; that
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>comes from somewhere. It is a standard principle of sociology that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the preferences of people, and of societies, are shown far more <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>accurately by their acts than by their words. It's what they do, not <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>what they say, that is most important. Furthermore, it is a standard <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>principle of psychology that people learn more intensely from acts <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>than from words. Our society has spent very large efforts for eighty <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>years or more to getting people to understand that motorists should <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>operate as drivers of vehicles. Furthermore, our society has spent <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>large sums building highways that are particularly suited for their <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>users to operate as drivers of vehicles. I think that very few people <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>would question these facts. During most of this time, from say 1940 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>on, our society has pushed cyclists to the extreme side of the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>roadway, or even off the roadway, and has since 1975 built bikeways <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>to physically enforce those principles, while all the time saying <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>that these measures are necessary because cyclists are incapable of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>operating as drivers of vehicles. People are not entirely <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>unintelligent and unobservant; they see that these measures are the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>social norm, and they learn to believe that these social norms are <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the way that things should be. That is how societies function, and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>have always functioned.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>The fact that we competent and wish-to-be-lawful cyclists know far <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>better than these superstitious social norms does not mean that we <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>should not understand our predicament. Unless we do understand our <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>predicament we will never be able to alleviate it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>John Forester, MS, PE<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Bicycle Transportation Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font
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