From derek.hofmann at gmail.com  Thu May  1 00:28:25 2008
From: derek.hofmann at gmail.com (Derek Hofmann)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:28:25 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] What were they thinking? (Camino del Norte)
In-Reply-To: <4818ECF2.nailMWF1J2OD6@xl-irva-10>
References: <4818ECF2.nailMWF1J2OD6@xl-irva-10>
Message-ID: <4319778d0804302128h51177d96iaf45d4d35430623c@mail.gmail.com>

I think I liked the old w/b configuration better, because it forced drivers
in the right lane to change lanes in order to take the I-15 onramp.
Bicyclists only had to keep going straight to stay in the bicycle lane. The
new configuration allows motorists in the right lane to drive at speed all
the way up to the light and forces bicyclists to change lanes across that
just to get back into the bicycle lane.


On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, <tobin at broadcom.com> wrote:

> (update to thread by Tom L circa March 27-29, inland north Co.)
>
> The median work in area of I-15 at CdN is done.  Yesterday, I noticed
> a new bike lane has been painted for e/b Camino del Norte just west of
> I-15 (Caltrans dominion).
>
> Today, I noticed the bike lane for w/b CdN just east of I-15 has been
> reconfigured.  We may never know what they were thinking, but apparently
> someone's input has done some good here.
>
> I opine the w/b reconfiguration is an improvement over:
>
>  http://www.tfl.net/MyPhotoAlbums/CaminoDelNorteApproachingI15FromEast/
>
> I find the new e/b configuration, setup as the w/b configuration was
> before the reconfiguration (i.e. merge across two high speed traffic
> lanes) more scary because of the increased speed differential.  I've only
> taken it once, and I am still contemplating how to deal with this new
> situation safely.  It is on my every-day commute.
>
> Roy
>
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From smcneil2 at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 22:05:32 2008
From: smcneil2 at san.rr.com (Steve McNeil)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:05:32 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lanes
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My nomination for the stupidest bike lane is Pacific Highway, especially
immediately going south of Taylor/Roescran Street.  The surface is so bad
with wide open cracks, deep eroded surfaces, and high asphalt bumps that it
forces me to ride outside of the lane.  They also have the palm trees
between the sidewalk and the street with branches that sometimes droop down
so you have to dodge them.  And then it leads you to the merge with the
Barnett Street traffic after having to come out from underneath the
crossover bridge that carries the northbound PH to Barnett Street traffic.
A real treat if you do this during rush hours.  Sometimes I just wait at the
last point of separation until the traffic clears; however, it's pretty much
a blind curve there and the cars can reappear fast.

--Steve McNeil
  -----Original Message-----
  From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org
[mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of JonIsaacs at aol.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:32 AM
  To: pje at efgh.com; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
  Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lanes


  In a message dated 4/29/2008 10:19:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pje at efgh.com writes:


    This is a great video, worth a view by everyone with two wheels.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1243727174?bctid=1504447
505



  Philip:  Thanks for that link...  A nice video with a nice closing
thought...

  How about San Diego's Stupidest Bike Lane?

  While I am sure there are worse, I nominate the La Jolla Colony (LJCD)
entrance to the Rose Canyon Bike path.    Two major bike lanes with no
connection.   I normally enter the RCBP from south bound Gilman and have
made an informal study of the different techniques riders use to enter the
RCBP from La Jolla Colony.  Some of the various techniques:

  -  Ride down the sidewalk on the south side of LJCD...  Somewhere this
involves crossing mid stream.

  -  Ride down LJCD the wrong way...

  -  Make a left from the light at I-5 and LJCD whenever possible.  This is
probably the legal option but the intersection is not set up for a cyclist
waiting for the through traffic to clear.  Cyclists I see do this seem to go
when the light is red to avoid the on coming traffic.   One is in vulnerable
location, up against the concrete divider in a "hook" corner, it doesn't
look good to me.

  - Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5

  - Become a pedestrian and push the pedestrian crossing button.  IMHO, this
is not a good option because the crossing begins in a blind corner at the
end of a blind turn.  Motorists are used to running that light to get on I-5
North bound and are not prepared for someone using the cross walk.

  Whether it's the stupidest in San Diego, I doubt it but I think one has to
certainly admit that two major bike lanes that join ought to have a good
connection.  I would take LJCD instead of Gilman if there were a good way to
get to the RCBP...

  jon


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From rob_leone at earthlink.net  Thu May  1 22:20:44 2008
From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 19:20:44 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
Message-ID: <481A7A7C.3060409@earthlink.net>

Alas, in reference to the La Jolla Colony/Rose Canyon Bike Path adjacent 
discontinuity mess, someone enumerated ways to get from La Jolla Colony 
Drive southbound/westbound onto Rose Canyon southbound.

One of the possibilities enumberated was
qoute

- Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
end of quote

Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection 
"they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.

Robert Leone


From tom_yager at cox.net  Thu May  1 22:47:29 2008
From: tom_yager at cox.net (Tom Yager)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:47:29 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] San Onofre & Tressels / Toll Road
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Message-ID: <20080502024719.NRUO19736.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

I just became a bit more familiar with the Toll Road that will be going
through San Onofre State Park and Tressels.  Are any of you familiar with
the impact this will have on the bike path going from Pendleton to San
Clemente?  If you are unfamiliar with this, please check out:
http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/tollroadappeal0408

We have until May 28 to send an appeal to the US Secretary of Commerce.

Thanks,
Tom


From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri May  2 00:57:17 2008
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:57:17 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
Message-ID: <bd5.2cdaf33e.354bf92d@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:

> One of the possibilities enumberated was
> qoute
> 
> - Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
> end of quote
> 
> Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection 
> "they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.
> 
> Robert Leone

----

Rob:

I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around there or maybe 
on up a mile or so to the next traffic light.  Overall, it seems like there 
is a real problem there, I don't see an easy fix but a fix is definitely 
needed.

What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???

Jon


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From JimBaross at cox.net  Fri May  2 01:05:32 2008
From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 22:05:32 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] No U-turn at Gilman/I-5? Re:  Stupid Bike Lane
In-Reply-To: <bd5.2cdaf33e.354bf92d@aol.com>
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I haven't seen any similar signs in this county but how about hanging 
something similar to "except bikes" to the no U-turn sign.

And/or get who ever decided to post the no U-turn sign to explain how 
bicyclists were expected to make the connection to the bike path....

At 09:57 PM 5/1/2008, JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:
>
>>One of the possibilities enumberated was
>>qoute
>>
>>- Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
>>end of quote
>>
>>Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection
>>"they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.
>>
>>Robert Leone
>
>
>----
>
>Rob:
>
>I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around there 
>or maybe on up a mile or so to the next traffic light.  Overall, it 
>seems like there is a real problem there, I don't see an easy fix 
>but a fix is definitely needed.
>
>What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???
>
>Jon

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From serge at issakov.org  Fri May  2 01:13:46 2008
From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:13:46 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
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It seems like we talk about the LJ Colony Drive/Rose Canyon bike path
discontinuity on this list every 6 months or so.  As far as I know there is
no plan.

I'm sure it's on Kathy's wish list.  But even if the city (or whoever) said
they have, say, $500k to fix it, I'm not sure what could be done.  One ideas
is a "fly over", but that would cost millions, I'm sure.

Extending the path north east parallel to LJCD between the sidewalk and the
RR track, and having a sane entrance at one of the intersections on LJCD
might work.  Maybe.  Basically, this would formalize the current "use the
sidewalk" method, but avoid having to use the actual sidewalk, except to
cross it once.

Or here's a new idea.  Reconfigure the intersection to allow U turns right
there (and no right on red for n/b I-5 traffic headed for LJCD).  Then
cyclists could get into the left lane as if to make a legal U turn, and then
proceed on the green arrow but abort the U turn mid stream to get onto the
path.  Not totally elegant but probably better that what we have now and
perhaps affordable.

Serge


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM, <JonIsaacs at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:
>
> One of the possibilities enumberated was
> qoute
>
> - Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
> end of quote
>
> Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection
> "they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.
>
> Robert Leone
>
>
>
> ----
>
> Rob:
>
> I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around there or
> maybe on up a mile or so to the next traffic light.  Overall, it seems like
> there is a real problem there, I don't see an easy fix but a fix is
> definitely needed.
>
> What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???
>
> Jon
>
>
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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri May  2 01:12:56 2008
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:12:56 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] No U-turn at Gilman/I-5? Re:  Stupid Bike Lane
Message-ID: <c7b.2f024602.354bfcd8@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/1/08 10:08:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
JimBaross at cox.net writes:

> I haven't seen any similar signs in this county but how about hanging 
> something similar to "except bikes" to the no U-turn sign.
> 
> And/or get who ever decided to post the no U-turn sign to explain how 
> bicyclists were expected to make the connection to the bike path.... 

-----

I guess it's a solution but I doubt anyone actually ever did ride up to the 
Gilman on-Ramp and make a U-ee.  IMHO, a reasonable solution is in order.  What 
that solution is, I don't know...

Jon


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From serge at issakov.org  Fri May  2 01:17:40 2008
From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:17:40 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] No U-turn at Gilman/I-5? Re: Stupid Bike Lane
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I'll bet the official answer is: stay in the bike lane (on southwest bound
LJCD) until you get to the intersection, dismount, press the walk signal,
when it's green, look for right-on-red turners heading for I-5 north, walk
across the road in the crosswalk, then mount and proceed on the path.

Serge


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Jim Baross <JimBaross at cox.net> wrote:

>  I haven't seen any similar signs in this county but how about hanging
> something similar to "except bikes" to the no U-turn sign.
>
> And/or get who ever decided to post the no U-turn sign to explain how
> bicyclists were expected to make the connection to the bike path....
>
> At 09:57 PM 5/1/2008, JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:
>
> One of the possibilities enumberated was
> qoute
>
> - Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
> end of quote
>
> Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection
> "they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.
>
> Robert Leone
>
>
>
> ----
>
> Rob:
>
> I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around there or
> maybe on up a mile or so to the next traffic light.  Overall, it seems like
> there is a real problem there, I don't see an easy fix but a fix is
> definitely needed.
>
> What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???
>
> Jon
>
>
>
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From gcarman at san.rr.com  Fri May  2 10:05:44 2008
From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:05:44 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] No U-turn at Gilman/I-5? Re: Stupid Bike Lane
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Of course this is the "official answer..."  along with the host of 
other get-off-the-bike-and-push-the-button "solutions" provided 
throughout the city...  including, the classic stairway at Mission 
Bay Drive and Damon Street (just west of Sante Fe).

And of course, my favorite...  along the somewhat new 56 bike 
path...  where cyclists have to either ride on the wrong side of the 
path or dismount to push the walk buttons (what, the technology 
didn't exist to put in sensors such as those used all over Santa Barbara?).

The real irony of the 56 path is that while cyclists have to face 
such awkward maneuvers, horse back riders have their own special 
"tall" buttons on the eastern portion of that bikeway...  so cyclists 
don't even get equal treatment with horse back riders.  Go figure.

Nope, throughout San Diego County...  we are constantly reminded of 
the "toy" status of cycling.  (get off and walk, kiddos... )

Of course the flip side is we do get bike lanes on 55 MPH 
roads.  (never mind the lane changes over the blind rise... )

Sigh...


At 10:17 PM 5/1/2008, Serge Issakov wrote:
>I'll bet the official answer is: stay in the bike lane (on southwest 
>bound LJCD) until you get to the intersection, dismount, press the 
>walk signal, when it's green, look for right-on-red turners heading 
>for I-5 north, walk across the road in the crosswalk, then mount and 
>proceed on the path.
>
>Serge
>
>
>On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Jim Baross 
><<mailto:JimBaross at cox.net>JimBaross at cox.net> wrote:
>I haven't seen any similar signs in this county but how about 
>hanging something similar to "except bikes" to the no U-turn sign.
>
>And/or get who ever decided to post the no U-turn sign to explain 
>how bicyclists were expected to make the connection to the bike path....
>
>At 09:57 PM 5/1/2008, <mailto:JonIsaacs at aol.com>JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote:
>>In a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>><mailto:rob_leone at earthlink.net>rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:
>>
>>>One of the possibilities enumberated was
>>>qoute
>>>
>>>- Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
>>>end of quote
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection
>>>"they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.
>>>
>>>Robert Leone
>>
>>
>>----
>>
>>Rob:
>>
>>I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around 
>>there or maybe on up a mile or so to the next traffic 
>>light.  Overall, it seems like there is a real problem there, I 
>>don't see an easy fix but a fix is definitely needed.
>>
>>What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???
>>
>>Jon
>
>
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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Fri May  2 12:14:28 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:14:28 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Camp Pendleton New Bike Access Hours 9am-3pm
	weekdays
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Same as always.

Kathy

 

From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Darryl MacKenzie
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:56 PM
To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Camp Pendleton New Bike Access Hours 9am-3pm weekdays

 

Access to Camp Pendleton changed!?

 

Darryl MacKenzie

 <mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net> DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net

(619) 303-7316 

 

 

 

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From: Jim Coldren [mailto:patsynjim at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:44 PM
To: gburnett at san.rr.com; DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.net
Subject: Camp Pendleton New Bike Access Hours 9am-3pm

FYI, in case you were not aware.

Official notice:

http://www.pendleton.usmc.mil/scout/archives/releases/baseadvise/cycle.asp





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From markw at wolfenet.org  Fri May  2 12:24:42 2008
From: markw at wolfenet.org (mark wolfe)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:24:42 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Camp Pendleton New Bike Access Hours
	9am-3pm	weekdays
In-Reply-To: <000701c8ac6f$99336a10$cb9a3e30$@org>
References: <20080501035628.GTQI9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<000701c8ac6f$99336a10$cb9a3e30$@org>
Message-ID: <481B404A.9000401@wolfenet.org>

It's 24/7 for card carrying members. :)

Mark

Kathy Keehan wrote:
> Same as always.
> 
> Kathy
> 
>  
> 
> From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
> On Behalf Of Darryl MacKenzie
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:56 PM
> To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
> Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Camp Pendleton New Bike Access Hours 9am-3pm weekdays
> 
>  
> 
> Access to Camp Pendleton changed!?
> 
>  
> 
> Darryl MacKenzie
> 
>  <mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net> DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net
> 
> (619) 303-7316 

From execdir at sdcbc.org  Fri May  2 19:06:22 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:06:22 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0805012213y676476a1if05b492b68bd6294@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bd5.2cdaf33e.354bf92d@aol.com>
	<69ec985b0805012213y676476a1if05b492b68bd6294@mail.gmail.com>
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You've got it right, Serge. It is on my list, there is no plan, and the
official response is that bicyclists are perfectly able to cross the
intersection as a pedestrian, so it's not a problem. About the best we can
hope for, even with a plan, is to have improved signage and a left turn
'bike only' move from LJColony to the bike path. 

There is a plan to extend the bike path north east along the rail right of
way parallel to LJ Colony, but I'm not sure of the access points from the
street at the moment. There would be access at Regents, Genesee, and
Judicial probably, but not sure about any others. 

Kathy

 

From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Serge Issakov
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:14 PM
To: JonIsaacs at aol.com
Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane

 


It seems like we talk about the LJ Colony Drive/Rose Canyon bike path
discontinuity on this list every 6 months or so.  As far as I know there is
no plan.

I'm sure it's on Kathy's wish list.  But even if the city (or whoever) said
they have, say, $500k to fix it, I'm not sure what could be done.  One ideas
is a "fly over", but that would cost millions, I'm sure.

Extending the path north east parallel to LJCD between the sidewalk and the
RR track, and having a sane entrance at one of the intersections on LJCD
might work.  Maybe.  Basically, this would formalize the current "use the
sidewalk" method, but avoid having to use the actual sidewalk, except to
cross it once.

Or here's a new idea.  Reconfigure the intersection to allow U turns right
there (and no right on red for n/b I-5 traffic headed for LJCD).  Then
cyclists could get into the left lane as if to make a legal U turn, and then
proceed on the green arrow but abort the U turn mid stream to get onto the
path.  Not totally elegant but probably better that what we have now and
perhaps affordable.

Serge



On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM, <JonIsaacs at aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:




One of the possibilities enumberated was
qoute

- Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
end of quote

Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection 
"they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.

Robert Leone

 

----

Rob:

I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around there or
maybe on up a mile or so to the next traffic light.  Overall, it seems like
there is a real problem there, I don't see an easy fix but a fix is
definitely needed.

What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???

Jon


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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Fri May  2 19:06:22 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:06:22 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] What were they thinking? (Camino del Norte)
In-Reply-To: <4319778d0804302128h51177d96iaf45d4d35430623c@mail.gmail.com>
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Not sure why things keep changing out there but it's making life
interesting. 

The Coalition had recommended the original configuration you saw - as soon
as the right turn pocket starts, the bike lane is on the left of it. I'm not
sure what made them decide to change the paint so soon. The new
configuration keeps the bike lane to the right of the right turn lane until
you're almost to the intersection, then has a gap and the bike lane
reappears to the left of the turn lane. I haven't ridden it yet on the bike,
but I'm thinking it will be much more difficult for me to merge across the
right turn only lane toward the bottom rather than at the top, and now the
onus will be on the bicyclist to find a safe moment to merge across rather
than requiring the motorist to yield to the cyclist.  

The eastbound side has an interesting configuration at the beginning of the
right turn lanes, but keeps the bike lane to the left of the right turn only
lanes for the most part. 

Who wants to take a ride this weekend to see them firsthand? I'm available
on Sunday morning for a little jaunt.

Kathy

 

From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Derek Hofmann
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:28 PM
To: tobin at broadcom.com
Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] What were they thinking? (Camino del Norte)

 

I think I liked the old w/b configuration better, because it forced drivers
in the right lane to change lanes in order to take the I-15 onramp.
Bicyclists only had to keep going straight to stay in the bicycle lane. The
new configuration allows motorists in the right lane to drive at speed all
the way up to the light and forces bicyclists to change lanes across that
just to get back into the bicycle lane.



On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM, <tobin at broadcom.com> wrote:

(update to thread by Tom L circa March 27-29, inland north Co.)

The median work in area of I-15 at CdN is done.  Yesterday, I noticed
a new bike lane has been painted for e/b Camino del Norte just west of
I-15 (Caltrans dominion).

Today, I noticed the bike lane for w/b CdN just east of I-15 has been
reconfigured.  We may never know what they were thinking, but apparently
someone's input has done some good here.

I opine the w/b reconfiguration is an improvement over:

 http://www.tfl.net/MyPhotoAlbums/CaminoDelNorteApproachingI15FromEast/

I find the new e/b configuration, setup as the w/b configuration was
before the reconfiguration (i.e. merge across two high speed traffic
lanes) more scary because of the increased speed differential.  I've only
taken it once, and I am still contemplating how to deal with this new
situation safely.  It is on my every-day commute.

Roy

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From econver at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 19:15:33 2008
From: econver at yahoo.com (Eric Converse)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:15:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
Message-ID: <412808.21977.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Kathy,

What about an all-way stop for bicyclists and pedestrians at this intersection?

The Rose Canyon/La Jolla Colony path you are speaking of, how far would it run north along the rail?

Eric


----- Original Message ----
From: Kathy Keehan <execdir at sdcbc.org>
To: Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org>; JonIsaacs at aol.com
Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 4:06:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane

 
You?ve got it right, Serge. It is on my list, there is no
plan, and the official response is that bicyclists are perfectly able to cross
the intersection as a pedestrian, so it?s not a problem. About the best
we can hope for, even with a plan, is to have improved signage and a left turn ?bike
only? move from LJColony to the bike path. 
There is a plan to extend the bike path north east along the
rail right of way parallel to LJ Colony, but I?m not sure of the access
points from the street at the moment. There would be access at Regents,
Genesee, and Judicial probably, but not sure about any others. 
Kathy
 
From:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On
Behalf Of Serge Issakov
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:14 PM
To: JonIsaacs at aol.com
Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
 

It seems like we talk about the LJ Colony Drive/Rose Canyon bike path
discontinuity on this list every 6 months or so.  As far as I know there
is no plan.

I'm sure it's on Kathy's wish list.  But even if the city (or whoever)
said they have, say, $500k to fix it, I'm not sure what could be done. 
One ideas is a "fly over", but that would cost millions, I'm sure.

Extending the path north east parallel to LJCD between the sidewalk and the RR
track, and having a sane entrance at one of the intersections on LJCD might
work.  Maybe.  Basically, this would formalize the current "use
the sidewalk" method, but avoid having to use the actual sidewalk, except
to cross it once.

Or here's a new idea.  Reconfigure the intersection to allow U turns right
there (and no right on red for n/b I-5 traffic headed for LJCD).  Then
cyclists could get into the left lane as if to make a legal U turn, and then
proceed on the green arrow but abort the U turn mid stream to get onto the
path.  Not totally elegant but probably better that what we have now and
perhaps affordable.

Serge


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM, <JonIsaacs at aol.com> wrote:
In
a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:



One
of the possibilities enumberated was
qoute

- Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
end of quote

Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection 
"they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.

Robert Leone
 
----

Rob:

I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around there or maybe
on up a mile or so to the next traffic light.  Overall, it seems like
there is a real problem there, I don't see an easy fix but a fix is definitely
needed.

What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???

Jon


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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri May  2 19:21:36 2008
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 19:21:36 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
Message-ID: <d4a.2af317ee.354cfc00@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/2/2008 4:06:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
execdir at sdcbc.org writes:

> You?ve got it right, Serge. It is on my list, there is no plan, and the 
> official response is that bicyclists are perfectly able to cross the 
> intersection as a pedestrian, so it?s not a problem.

------------

To play the devil's advocate:

I was not aware that there was a requirement that a cyclist need to be 
capable of walking.  Obviously most are....    Certainly motorists have no such 
requirement.  I know there are one legged cyclists who are quite competent on the 
bike but I can imagine some might require the bike for support.   

I imagine if the RCBP were not there then I-5 would be open between Gilman 
and West Mission Bay...

In any event, are there any plans to put signs at the entrance to the RCBP?  

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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Fri May  2 19:21:45 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:21:45 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane
In-Reply-To: <412808.21977.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <412808.21977.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c8acab$4a7b2a70$df717f50$@org>

Hi Eric,

There's a signal there already. Are you thinking of having a 'no right on
red' restriction there? That would be a good idea - I like it. 

The path will run about as far as Judicial, then the Coastal Rail Trail
alignment will become a bike lane connection along Judicial and Eastgate
Mall (to the west), and then bike path again down into Roselle Canyon. If it
ever happens. It's a pretty long range plan at this point. 

Kathy

 

From: Eric Converse [mailto:econver at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:16 PM
To: Kathy Keehan; Serge Issakov; JonIsaacs at aol.com
Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane

 

Hi Kathy,

What about an all-way stop for bicyclists and pedestrians at this
intersection?

The Rose Canyon/La Jolla Colony path you are speaking of, how far would it
run north along the rail?

Eric

----- Original Message ----
From: Kathy Keehan <execdir at sdcbc.org>
To: Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org>; JonIsaacs at aol.com
Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 4:06:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane

You?ve got it right, Serge. It is on my list, there is no plan, and the
official response is that bicyclists are perfectly able to cross the
intersection as a pedestrian, so it?s not a problem. About the best we can
hope for, even with a plan, is to have improved signage and a left turn
?bike only? move from LJColony to the bike path. 

There is a plan to extend the bike path north east along the rail right of
way parallel to LJ Colony, but I?m not sure of the access points from the
street at the moment. There would be access at Regents, Genesee, and
Judicial probably, but not sure about any others. 

Kathy

 

From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Serge Issakov
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:14 PM
To: JonIsaacs at aol.com
Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Stupid Bike Lane

 


It seems like we talk about the LJ Colony Drive/Rose Canyon bike path
discontinuity on this list every 6 months or so.  As far as I know there is
no plan.

I'm sure it's on Kathy's wish list.  But even if the city (or whoever) said
they have, say, $500k to fix it, I'm not sure what could be done.  One ideas
is a "fly over", but that would cost millions, I'm sure.

Extending the path north east parallel to LJCD between the sidewalk and the
RR track, and having a sane entrance at one of the intersections on LJCD
might work.  Maybe.  Basically, this would formalize the current "use the
sidewalk" method, but avoid having to use the actual sidewalk, except to
cross it once.

Or here's a new idea.  Reconfigure the intersection to allow U turns right
there (and no right on red for n/b I-5 traffic headed for LJCD).  Then
cyclists could get into the left lane as if to make a legal U turn, and then
proceed on the green arrow but abort the U turn mid stream to get onto the
path.  Not totally elegant but probably better that what we have now and
perhaps affordable.

Serge

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM, <JonIsaacs at aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 5/1/08 7:23:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rob_leone at earthlink.net writes:



One of the possibilities enumberated was
qoute

- Ride under the bridge and make a U-Turn at the light at Gilman and I-5
end of quote

Unfortunately, as part of the newly rebuilt Gilman/I-5 intersection 
"they" hanged a "No U Turn" sign from the traffic signal.

Robert Leone

 

----

Rob:

I guess one could ride up to the Park and Ride and turn around there or
maybe on up a mile or so to the next traffic light.  Overall, it seems like
there is a real problem there, I don't see an easy fix but a fix is
definitely needed.

What do the folks in the know say about about plans for this region???

Jon


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From pje at efgh.com  Fri May  2 21:30:38 2008
From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 18:30:38 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] OB Bike Path Eastward Extension
Message-ID: <481BC03E.60604@efgh.com>

To:           SDCBC Mailing List
Subject:      Ocean Beach Bike Path Eastward Extension
From:         Philip J. Erdelsky <pje at efgh.com>
Date:         05-02-2008

The extension of the Ocean Beach Bike Path from Pacific Highway to Sefton Park 
has been under construction. It seems that the recent groundbreaking ceremony 
wasn't a mere formality.

Most of the grading has been done, and some of the pavement is already in place.

Mountain bikers will find the path passable between Pacific Highway and the 
west side of Morena Blvd., and between Sefton Park and the west side of Morena 
Blvd. (although the passage under the ramp from eastbound I-8 is kind of 
tight). The passage under Morena Blvd. has not been graded and will require 
some serious bushwhacking.

Work on the path may have been suspended for the season. I didn't see any work 
being done on April 29 or May 2.

Is the path really open? Not really, but it isn't exactly closed, either. A 
few signs are up, and none mentions restricted access. There is no tape and no 
other barriers. Graded but unpaved parts show bicycle tire tracks.

Photographs:

      West of Morena Blvd.: http://www.efghmaps.com/temp/35739.jpg

      Sefton Park: http://www.efghmaps.com/temp/35759.jpg

      Surface (with bike for scale): http://www.efghmaps.com/temp/35760.jpg

      West side of Sefton Park (site of groundbreaking): 
http://www.efghmaps.com/temp/35762.jpg

Old-timers may remember an exploratory SDCBC ride that Jim Baross led along an 
unpaved path from Sefton Park to a point near Morena Blvd. The new path does 
not follow this route. It veers south and runs very close to Interstate 8, 
allowing Caltrans to get a finger in the pie.

-- Philip Erdelsky


From rob_leone at earthlink.net  Sat May  3 07:54:31 2008
From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 04:54:31 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] No U-turn at Gilman/I-5? Re: Stupid Bike Lane
In-Reply-To: <20080502142954.PWBT11174.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com>
References: <bd5.2cdaf33e.354bf92d@aol.com>	<20080502050722.FBUJ3568.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>	<69ec985b0805012217m168ed37aq9fc21e6ba32dd2b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080502142954.PWBT11174.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <481C5277.7090906@earthlink.net>

Dear Gene and Everyone:
	Thanks Gene -- my favorite is the portion of the SR-56 bike path that 
has been a duck path/cyclist bath for about two years now. It LOOKS 
fordable but is most definitely not fordable due to extremely thick and 
slippery algae growth. I think a fair number of people reading this 
already know how I happen to know this, but I'll cut to the chase right 
now -- there I was, flat on my back, moving my feet to check and see if 
they were still working, and some goose swam over and started pecking my 
helmet. I was extremely lucky -- Kathy and others know of cyclists 
who've been injured there. If the problem is really plant growth 
clogging the water passage, can't the City of San Diego put in a pump 
and drain it down every couple of days?

Robert "way too much coffee this morning" Leone

Gene Carman wrote:
SNIP
> And of course, my favorite...  along the somewhat new 56 bike path...  
> where cyclists have to either ride on the wrong side of the path or 
> dismount to push the walk buttons (what, the technology didn't exist to 
> put in sensors such as those used all over Santa Barbara?). 
> 
SNIP


From rob_leone at earthlink.net  Sat May  3 08:29:28 2008
From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 05:29:28 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] [sdrando] Re: Brevet lighting
In-Reply-To: <000f01c8acba$75ce5490$616afdb0$@com>
References: <B411ABD0DBC3A04690A28F73F51B2C4C06B10E7B@msa-exchange.mmsa.local>
	<481B58B2.1000306@prowell.org>
	<dfcd63370805021134u5970ce10s31f50c769e1a58b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b601c8aca3$16366750$0600000a@dgdcpq1>
	<60f971e2-f8e4-4851-90cd-6955707a4e3b@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
	<000f01c8acba$75ce5490$616afdb0$@com>
Message-ID: <481C5AA8.1080209@earthlink.net>

Dear Jim:


Jim Yanoschik wrote:
> Thanks for all the great information.  It seems like this group has a lot of
> experience and knowledge.  The great thing is that you guys (meant globally
> as guys and gals) are willing to share and help.  When I have ridden at
> night I have chosen to ride with my rear lights in the steady mode.  The
> blinking mode even though is probably more visible, but it might cause
> "target fixation" and the driver of the car steers into you rather than
> avoiding you.  

Hello -- one more note on lights. The RUSA rules also require the lights 
be "fixed," or mounted on hard points, brackets, clamped, etc. Both 
Planet Bike and Cateye have a wide array of rear light mounting brackets 
available for secondary purchase if the standard seatpost/seatstay 
brackets usually included in the package with the rear lights won't do 
the job. I don't know about Cateye, but Planet Bike sells them direct 
and doesn't charge for US shipping. Simply clipping the rear blinkie to 
the rear of you or your bike luggage doesn't meet their standards. They 
have those standards for a reason -- I myself have lost my rear lights 
due to bounce-off when they'd been clipped on. So if anyone finds a 
PlanetBike Blinky-3 on Miramar Road, it's mine, I say! MINE.

I'd also probably win an award for the worst rear light field expedient 
-- a 2xAA cell Mimni MagLite with the NiteIze LED aftermarket bulb and 
an orange traffic direction cone clipped with the pocket clip to my rear 
rack trunk. Then strapped on with a velcro watch strap. This was while 
commuting, not while on a brevet. I gave up on this system after about a 
month.



> 
> I cannot make the May 10 event but I will try to make some of the late
> summer events.  Would it be fair to say that the PBP is something that a
> randonneur hopes to do?  I found the SDR website and find the whole thing
> PBP event very interesting.  The great thing is that I have some time to
> figure out if I am capable/motivated to attempt (no make  that  complete).
> 
> Jim Yanoschik
> 
SNIP

The May 10th ride probably would not involve any in the dark riding 
unless you're riding to the start quite early because you'd want 
breakfast at Perry's Cafe before charging off north (I like the Spinach 
Fritatta but the homefries taste of tropical oils). My first official 
long ride of any description was the January 2007 200 km, I've yet to 
ride a commercial or charity Century. Please keep in mind there are 
probably at least as many goals in riding brevets as there are riders of 
brevets -- I'm touring/commuting oriented, so I ride brevets as a) a 
fitness check b) a chance to compare my riding skills with other 
cyclists, including other cyclists from other disciplines and areas of 
interest (multi-spord, road racing, endurance road racing, fixed gear, 
recumbents, etc) c) a chance to ride some parts of San Diego where I 
normally don't ride d) informal "gearhead" talk. See, four differnt 
reasons and I'm just one rider.
	I'll be sending you in a separate e-mail an article I'd written for the 
"Chaingaurd" (the newsletter of the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition) 
about rear light mounting.

Robert Leone






From rob_leone at earthlink.net  Sat May  3 08:39:07 2008
From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 05:39:07 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] OOPS sent to wrong list,
	was Re:  [sdrando] Re: Brevet lighting
In-Reply-To: <481C5AA8.1080209@earthlink.net>
References: <B411ABD0DBC3A04690A28F73F51B2C4C06B10E7B@msa-exchange.mmsa.local>	<481B58B2.1000306@prowell.org>	<dfcd63370805021134u5970ce10s31f50c769e1a58b7@mail.gmail.com>	<00b601c8aca3$16366750$0600000a@dgdcpq1>	<60f971e2-f8e4-4851-90cd-6955707a4e3b@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>	<000f01c8acba$75ce5490$616afdb0$@com>
	<481C5AA8.1080209@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <481C5CEB.2040300@earthlink.net>

Robert Leone wrote:
> Dear Jim:
OOPS, sent this to the wrong list. My apologies.
Robert Leone



From tlettington at san.rr.com  Sun May  4 15:12:51 2008
From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:12:51 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] No U-turn at Gilman/I-5? Re: Stupid Bike Lane
In-Reply-To: <481C5277.7090906@earthlink.net>
References: <bd5.2cdaf33e.354bf92d@aol.com>
	<20080502050722.FBUJ3568.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
	<69ec985b0805012217m168ed37aq9fc21e6ba32dd2b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080502142954.PWBT11174.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com>
	<481C5277.7090906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080504191235.KVAF1070.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@amd.san.rr.com>

The "Duck Path" on the SR-56 Bike Path at Carmel Country Road is 
passable now.  I went through there today with no problem.  The slime 
is gone and there is just a trickle of water.  The "Road Closed" 
signs have been removed.

More good news on the SR-56:  There was a crew working at the East 
end of the path near I-15.  They were clearing brush from the sides 
of the bike path.  This *MAY* be a sign that some progress id near on 
opening the bike path across I-15 !!

       - Tom

At 04:54 AM 5/3/2008, Robert Leone wrote:
>Dear Gene and Everyone:
>         Thanks Gene -- my favorite is the portion of the SR-56 bike 
> path that
>has been a duck path/cyclist bath for about two years now.


From gmikeg at gmail.com  Sun May  4 22:52:04 2008
From: gmikeg at gmail.com (Michael Guerrero)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:52:04 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] No U-turn at Gilman/I-5? Re: Stupid Bike Lane
In-Reply-To: <20080504191235.KVAF1070.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@amd.san.rr.com>
References: <bd5.2cdaf33e.354bf92d@aol.com>
	<20080502050722.FBUJ3568.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
	<69ec985b0805012217m168ed37aq9fc21e6ba32dd2b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080502142954.PWBT11174.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com>
	<481C5277.7090906@earthlink.net>
	<20080504191235.KVAF1070.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@amd.san.rr.com>
Message-ID: <328c49b0805041952t1a7b6f6ei216f7d1677386334@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the latest on the 56 bike path.



Currently, there are just a few items to finish and the path will be open
within the next two weeks. I'll let you know the moment it happens. Let me
know if you have any questions.

Regards, Ann



Ann B. Korstad
Construction Information Officer
I-15 Managed Lanes Project
858-668-3368
(c): 858-688-1445

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Tom Lettington <tlettington at san.rr.com>
wrote:

> The "Duck Path" on the SR-56 Bike Path at Carmel Country Road is
> passable now.  I went through there today with no problem.  The slime
> is gone and there is just a trickle of water.  The "Road Closed"
> signs have been removed.
>
> More good news on the SR-56:  There was a crew working at the East
> end of the path near I-15.  They were clearing brush from the sides
> of the bike path.  This *MAY* be a sign that some progress id near on
> opening the bike path across I-15 !!
>
>       - Tom
>
> At 04:54 AM 5/3/2008, Robert Leone wrote:
> >Dear Gene and Everyone:
> >         Thanks Gene -- my favorite is the portion of the SR-56 bike
> > path that
> >has been a duck path/cyclist bath for about two years now.
>
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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Mon May  5 15:05:19 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:05:19 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Camino Del Norte I-15
Message-ID: <000001c8aee2$ff24e8b0$fd6eba10$@org>

Hi all,

I rode through Camino del Norte on Sunday with my little video camera. If
you are interested, you can see the video on YouTube -

Camino Del Norte westbound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rloM3k0mfgc

Camino Del Norte eastbound: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHhuWBalO-k

 

Kathy

 

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Kathy Keehan

Executive Director

San Diego County Bicycle Coalition

P.O. Box 34544

San Diego, CA 92163

858.487.6063

execdir at sdcbc.org

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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Mon May  5 18:44:03 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:44:03 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] All hands on deck!
Message-ID: <00f801c8af01$84e976a0$8ebc63e0$@org>

It's Bike Month! Are you ready to volunteer?

 

We need the following help -

Saturday, May 10th - Ride the River. We need some folks to come celebrate
the San Diego River. I've got a ride leader, but we need to have at least a
few riders show up. Free t-shirts for the first dozen riders. Meet at the
Town and Country parking lot on the north side of the river in Mission
Valley, 8:30 gathering for 9:00 start of ride. We'll ride a loop out to Dog
Beach and back. Free.

Wednesday, May 14th - Bike to Work Day pit stop party. All bicyclists
invited to free BBQ at Karl Strauss Brewery - you eat for free if you ride
your bike to the brewery. 11:30 to 1:00. 

Friday, May 16th - Bike to work Day! Usually the Coalition has a pit stop at
Caltrans headquarters on Taylor St. I'll be running around like a crazy
woman that morning, so I need someone to help staff/organize that stop. 

Sunday, May 18th - we've been offered booth space at Cycle Eastlake and I
need a couple volunteers to staff it from 8:30 to 11:30 a.m. at Eastlake
Elementary School. 

Sunday, May 25th - Pedal to the Park! Ride participants and leaders still
needed. Let's make it the best yet! 

To volunteer to help with any of these events, please call or email me.
Thanks in advance!!

Kathy

 

 

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Kathy Keehan

Executive Director

San Diego County Bicycle Coalition

P.O. Box 34544

San Diego, CA 92163

858.487.6063

execdir at sdcbc.org

www.sdcbc.org

 

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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Mon May  5 21:40:07 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:40:07 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Commuter Class - This Saturday, May 17th
Message-ID: <014901c8af1a$1df49d80$59ddd880$@org>

>From one of our best instructors, Kerry Kunsman - 

Just in time for Bike to Work Week!

Save time, save money, keep fit, and have fun!  Ride your bicycle to work!

How do I equip the bike? How do I keep my bike safe at work? What do I wear?
How do I deal with sweat & helmet hair?  What if I need to wear nice clothes
at work?  What if I live too far?  Learn the answers to these and more at
the bicycle commuting class.

This is a one-time three-hour course.  Start time is 6:30 PM.
Road I is a prerequisite to this class.

This class will include a after dark ride, so all bikes must be equipped
with a headlight (does not need to be fancy) and a rear reflector.  Helmets
are also required.

If you're interested please fill it out attached registration form and
return it to me or bring it with you to class.  If you are going to bring it
to class please email me to let me know your intention to attend.  The
mailing address (and the class meeting place) is:

         Kerry Kunsman
         4742 Renex Place
         San Diego, CA  92117

If you have any questions about the course content, or are wondering if you
could benefit from the course, please feel free to contact me by email or
telephone.

Regards,

Kerry Kunsman (LCI# 1029)
4742 Renex Place
San Diego, CA  92117

858-569-4877 evenings
858-909-2220 days
kerryk at tns.net

P.S. A word to my former students.  You may wonder why you are getting this
email.  I believe that you, the graduates, are the best spokespersons there
are for these classes.  I want you to know when they are being held so you
can tell your friends.

P.P.S. I don't want to be considered a spammer, so if you don't want to hear
any more about cycling courses just email me at <kerryk at tns.net> and I will
take you off my list. 
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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Tue May  6 14:59:08 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:59:08 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Commuter Class - Oops, Should be... This Saturday,
	May 10th!
Message-ID: <008101c8afab$43857fb0$ca907f10$@org>

See the previous post for the registration form if you would like to
participate.
Kathy

-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kunsman [mailto:kerryk at tns.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:38 PM
To: Kathy Keehan
Cc: kerry Kunsman
Subject: Commuter Class - Oops, Should be... This Saturday, May 10th!

Forgive the error on my part.  The 17th would just miss Bike to Work Week.
The actual date of the class is Saturday, May 10th!!

Just in time for Bike to Work Week!

Save time, save money, keep fit, and have fun!  Ride your bicycle to work!

How do I equip the bike? How do I keep my bike safe at work? What do I wear?
How do I deal with sweat & helmet hair?  What if I need to wear nice clothes
at work?  What if I live too far?  Learn the answers to these and more at
the bicycle commuting class.

This is a one-time three-hour course.  Start time is 6:30 PM.
Road I is a prerequisite to this class.

This class will include a after dark ride, so all bikes must be equipped
with a headlight (does not need to be fancy) and a rear reflector.  Helmets
are also required.

If you're interested please fill it out attached registration form and
return it to me or bring it with you to class.  If you are going to bring it
to class please email me to let me know your intention to attend.  The
mailing address (and the class meeting place) is:

         Kerry Kunsman
         4742 Renex Place
         San Diego, CA  92117

If you have any questions about the course content, or are wondering if you
could benefit from the course, please feel free to contact me by email or
telephone.

Regards,

Kerry Kunsman (LCI# 1029)
4742 Renex Place
San Diego, CA  92117

858-569-4877 evenings
858-909-2220 days
kerryk at tns.net

P.S. A word to my former students.  You may wonder why you are getting this
email.  I believe that you, the graduates, are the best spokespersons there
are for these classes.  I want you to know when they are being held so you
can tell your friends.

P.P.S. I don't want to be considered a spammer, so if you don't want to hear
any more about cycling courses just email me at <kerryk at tns.net> and I will
take you off my list. 


From execdir at sdcbc.org  Wed May  7 14:01:16 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:01:16 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] One bike event I forgot
Message-ID: <008b01c8b06c$590b52d0$0b21f870$@org>

The County is having a press conference on Wednesday, May 14th to celebrate
Bike to Work Week/Day. We'll be out at the County Administration Building
(by the fountain on Harbor Drive) from 7:30 to 8:00 that morning talking
with Rod Luck from KUSI and I need some bicyclists to come by and be seen.
Let me know if you can make it!

Kathy

 

------------------------------------------

Kathy Keehan

Executive Director

San Diego County Bicycle Coalition

P.O. Box 34544

San Diego, CA 92163

858.487.6063

execdir at sdcbc.org

www.sdcbc.org

 

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From nealhe at cox.net  Thu May  8 00:22:46 2008
From: nealhe at cox.net (Neal Henderson)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:22:46 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] New York bicycle commuters face an uphill climb
Message-ID: <00be01c8b0c3$2acb0a80$6501a8c0@NealDesk>

New York bicycle commuters face an uphill climb

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-bike7-2008may07,0,6445221.story?track=ntot
html 

NEW YORK -- The undulating asphalt gave way to a sea of potholes and the
bicycle shuddered with each curve and dip. Ahead, the Brooklyn Bridge rose
in a long incline toward the camera-ready skyline of Manhattan.

But the cinematic quality of the city was lost on an approaching bicyclist,
who saw only a tight grid of streets with thin slices of available roadway
-- spaces that momentarily widen, then narrow, in the anarchy of Manhattan
traffic.

 

*
<http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-bike7-2008may07-pg,0,2303919.photogallery
> Bicycles in the Big Apple

 
<http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-bike7-2008may07-pg,0,2303919.photogallery
> Photos: Bicycles in the Big Apple

Only a decade ago, the few bicyclists who tried to wedge into traffic were
seen as interlopers, scorned by city drivers and pedestrians alike --
"granola eaters from a fringe movement," said Paul Steely White, executive
director of Transportation Alternatives, a leading bicycle advocacy group.

But with rising oil prices and heightened concern about carbon emissions,
riding a bicycle no longer seems quite so silly. The number of bicyclists
has grown by 75% during the last seven years, according to the city's count.

Soon an ambitious city plan will make it possible for riders to traverse
Manhattan via dedicated bike lanes and circumnavigate the island along the
waterfront. Sheltered bicycle parking and thousands of new public bike racks
are already in place.

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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Thu May  8 13:05:36 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:05:36 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night cancelled
Message-ID: <00d401c8b12d$bc6f8910$354e9b30$@org>

Normally we would have volunteer night on Wednesday, May 14th. But it's the
crazy season, and we're already running at 100% with the various events in
conjunction with Bike to Work Day, so we'll postpone volunteer night for
another time. Take the night off! Rest up for Bike to Work Day, and hope to
see you next week at one of our many events.

Kathy

 

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Kathy Keehan

Executive Director

San Diego County Bicycle Coalition

P.O. Box 34544

San Diego, CA 92163

858.487.6063

execdir at sdcbc.org

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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Thu May  8 13:08:02 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:08:02 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Eastlake Ride registration reminder
Message-ID: <00e101c8b12e$13697730$3a3c6590$@org>

Look for the Coalition booth at Eastlake on Sunday!

Kathy

 

Cycle EastLake!  Online Registration Closes This Week

 

Saturday, May 17 & Sunday, May 18

 

Choose your day of fun and save $5 when you register
<http://www.active.com/page/Event_Details.htm?event_id=1557445&assetId=4927e
ef6-b694-4f24-a59c-106205cfdecc>  online by this Sunday, May 11.    

$25 adults, $15 kids, $65 family 4-pack.   Every entry includes a colorful
T-shirt and goodie bag.  

 

Online
<http://www.active.com/page/Event_Details.htm?event_id=1557445&assetId=4927e
ef6-b694-4f24-a59c-106205cfdecc>  Registration closes this Sunday, May 11.
Ride weekend registration will still be available for $40 adults, $ 25 kids,
$80 family 4-pack.   Saturday, May 17 at REI; Sunday, May 18 at EastLake
Elementary School.  Visit www.CycleEastLake.com
<http://www.cycleeastlake.com/>  for more information.  

 

We look forward to seeing you there!

 

Your Friends at Cycle EastLake

www.CycleEastLake.com <http://www.cycleeastlake.com/> 

All proceeds benefit the EastLake Educational Foundation

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kathy Keehan

Executive Director

San Diego County Bicycle Coalition

P.O. Box 34544

San Diego, CA 92163

858.487.6063

execdir at sdcbc.org

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From caroldcarr at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 19:26:19 2008
From: caroldcarr at sbcglobal.net (Carol D. Carr)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:26:19 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC "cartoon"
Message-ID: <20080508232555.CDF544CDE6@uniblab.stickman-computing.org>

Hi all,
The last Bicycle Coalition ChainGuard newsletter asked for input on what car
drivers would like to say to bicyclists, and so far I've only received a few
responses. Below is a compilation of these, plus some published materials
and my own thoughts. 
I'm still hoping for input from you!! Please read these over and tell me
what I've missed or mis-stated.
In a few weeks I'll be compiling these for a brochure for the Oceanside
Bicycle Friendly Community committee, and hopefully as many other roadway
users as we can reach.
See the last 2 ChainGuards for more information on this project. Past issues
are on the web at HYPERLINK "http://www.sdcbc.org"www.sdcbc.org.
And thank you for any input you can offer.
Please reply to HYPERLINK "mailto:execdir at sdcbc.org"execdir at sdcbc.org and
put "cartoon" in the subject line.
Carol Carr, newsletter editor
 

 

WHAT CAR DRIVERS WANT BICYCLISTS TO KNOW

 

*	Ride by the rules! Bikes belong on the roadway only when they are
operated legally. While bicyclists have the same rights, they also have the
same duties as motorists (CVC21200). Be predictable, signal your turns, and
act like the driver of a vehicle. Don?t anger motorists by ignoring the
rules of the road.

 

*	Wait your turn! Don?t run stop lights and stop signs. Entering the
roadway without looking or yielding is a leading cause of bicyclist
initiated collisions. 

 

*	Ride with traffic, on the right hand side of the road. Wrong-way
riding is illegal and dangerous. Your chances of a collision are 5 times
higher for wrong-way riding, and 2 times higher if you?re riding on the
sidewalk, where drivers are not looking for you.

 

*	Ride single-file; bike etiquette matters. Don?t delay other road
users more than necessary. Between intersections position yourself according
to your speed relative to other traffic. Slow moving vehicles (and bicycles)
are required to get out of the way when it?s safe if they are slowing five
or more vehicles. 

 

*	Lights are required at night. (insert something about legal
requirements)

 

*	Get in line like everyone else. When approaching an intersection,
position yourself for your intended destination direction ? on the left near
the centerline if turning left, by the curb if turning right, and between
those positions if you want to go straight. Channelizing prior to reaching
the intersection is the best way to avoid turning conflicts.

 

 


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From bikes.alot at cox.net  Fri May  9 13:18:08 2008
From: bikes.alot at cox.net (Bicyclist)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:18:08 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC "cartoon"
Message-ID: <20080509172452.XHOA9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>


>Some uncharitable comments I could think of, being an occasional car 
>driver myself...:
>
>Why don't you wear real clothes? Your skin tight togs are too 
>revealing for normal street wear... and where'd you get that gut? I 
>thought bicycling made people fit?
>
>Please do not walk on my floors with your metal bottomed shoes. You 
>walk like you stepped on a huge wad of gum or worse.
>
>The dainty little circling you do while waiting for a traffic signal 
>to change is precious... if you cannot do a track-stand, learn to 
>unclip and put a foot down; and DO NOT LEAN ON MY CAR while you are 
>are waiting!!
>
>I guess you want to keep an eye on your bike when you rush into a 
>store, but please do not leave your bike blocking the entrances. 
>Bring and use a lock and find a place to park that isn't in my 
>way!  Leaning your bike on a plate-glass window is just stupid - 
>stop it! And, by the way, you bike-yaywhos who only lock the front 
>wheel deserve to have the rest of your bike stolen - get a clue!
>
>Are you deaf? Can't you hear the screeching from your brakes? Do you 
>do this to annoy everyone else?
>
>When your bicycling group stops for whatever reason along the road, 
>how about getting out of the way. Clumping up in the roadway while 
>you chat is discourteous to everyone wanting to get by, and more 
>than a little dangerous.
>
>Please do not scoff at me while I'm to gassing up at the service 
>station. If I could, I'd be bicycling too.
>
>Ok, you folks with the bright lights mounted on your helmets; STOP 
>SHINING YOUR BEAMS IN MY FACE! Sure I'll notice the bright light, 
>but then I'm blinded to anything else and gee I hope I don't hit 
>anything... like you!
>
>No Mr. bicyclist, banana peels may be biodegradable but they don't 
>belong flung onto the roadside; eat 'em or carry them to a proper receptacle.
>
>The restrooms at convenience stores and gas stations are for 
>customers.... buy something.
>
>Do you know that your bicycling helmet is on backwards?
>
>To the captain of any passing tandem, "your partner isn't pedaling!"
>
>When the traffic light changes and you at the back of the group 
>might get dropped from the group, get over your phobic separation 
>anxiety; STOP ON RED!
>
>Do not ridicule me for driving a gas powered vehicle while you coast 
>by powered by Wheaties; I would be biking but I had to deliver this piano.
>
>And, let's not forget the shouted gems:
>Get a horse.
>Why don't you get a car?
>Get in the Bike Lane.
>Get on the sidewalk where you belong.
>Oh, I didn't see you.
>Do you think this is the Tour de France?
>Do you think you are a car?
>
>At 04:26 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>The last Bicycle Coalition ChainGuard newsletter asked for input on 
>>what car drivers would like to say to bicyclists, and so far I've 
>>only received a few responses. Below is a compilation of these, 
>>plus some published materials and my own thoughts.
>>I'm still hoping for input from you!! Please read these over and 
>>tell me what I've missed or mis-stated.



From cziegler at sandiego.edu  Fri May  9 14:35:05 2008
From: cziegler at sandiego.edu (cziegler at sandiego.edu)
Date: Fri,  9 May 2008 11:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC "cartoon"
Message-ID: <20080509113505.LEI95290@ms1.sandiego.edu>

This actually reminds of something that was said to me when I was bicycling in the  Tour de Palm Springs this year.  And it may have something to do with our chosen attire.  From a quite heavy set man in a Jaguar speeding by.  "Get your fat ass off the road."  
Carole


---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:18:08 -0700
>From: Bicyclist <bikes.alot at cox.net>  
>Subject: Re: [SDCBC] SDCBC "cartoon"  
>To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
>
>
>>Some uncharitable comments I could think of, being an occasional car 
>>driver myself...:
>>
>>Why don't you wear real clothes? Your skin tight togs are too 
>>revealing for normal street wear... and where'd you get that gut? I 
>>thought bicycling made people fit?
>>
>>Please do not walk on my floors with your metal bottomed shoes. You 
>>walk like you stepped on a huge wad of gum or worse.
>>
>>The dainty little circling you do while waiting for a traffic signal 
>>to change is precious... if you cannot do a track-stand, learn to 
>>unclip and put a foot down; and DO NOT LEAN ON MY CAR while you are 
>>are waiting!!
>>
>>I guess you want to keep an eye on your bike when you rush into a 
>>store, but please do not leave your bike blocking the entrances. 
>>Bring and use a lock and find a place to park that isn't in my 
>>way!  Leaning your bike on a plate-glass window is just stupid - 
>>stop it! And, by the way, you bike-yaywhos who only lock the front 
>>wheel deserve to have the rest of your bike stolen - get a clue!
>>
>>Are you deaf? Can't you hear the screeching from your brakes? Do you 
>>do this to annoy everyone else?
>>
>>When your bicycling group stops for whatever reason along the road, 
>>how about getting out of the way. Clumping up in the roadway while 
>>you chat is discourteous to everyone wanting to get by, and more 
>>than a little dangerous.
>>
>>Please do not scoff at me while I'm to gassing up at the service 
>>station. If I could, I'd be bicycling too.
>>
>>Ok, you folks with the bright lights mounted on your helmets; STOP 
>>SHINING YOUR BEAMS IN MY FACE! Sure I'll notice the bright light, 
>>but then I'm blinded to anything else and gee I hope I don't hit 
>>anything... like you!
>>
>>No Mr. bicyclist, banana peels may be biodegradable but they don't 
>>belong flung onto the roadside; eat 'em or carry them to a proper receptacle.
>>
>>The restrooms at convenience stores and gas stations are for 
>>customers.... buy something.
>>
>>Do you know that your bicycling helmet is on backwards?
>>
>>To the captain of any passing tandem, "your partner isn't pedaling!"
>>
>>When the traffic light changes and you at the back of the group 
>>might get dropped from the group, get over your phobic separation 
>>anxiety; STOP ON RED!
>>
>>Do not ridicule me for driving a gas powered vehicle while you coast 
>>by powered by Wheaties; I would be biking but I had to deliver this piano.
>>
>>And, let's not forget the shouted gems:
>>Get a horse.
>>Why don't you get a car?
>>Get in the Bike Lane.
>>Get on the sidewalk where you belong.
>>Oh, I didn't see you.
>>Do you think this is the Tour de France?
>>Do you think you are a car?
>>
>>At 04:26 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>The last Bicycle Coalition ChainGuard newsletter asked for input on 
>>>what car drivers would like to say to bicyclists, and so far I've 
>>>only received a few responses. Below is a compilation of these, 
>>>plus some published materials and my own thoughts.
>>>I'm still hoping for input from you!! Please read these over and 
>>>tell me what I've missed or mis-stated.
>
>
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From markw at wolfenet.org  Fri May  9 14:47:51 2008
From: markw at wolfenet.org (mark wolfe)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:47:51 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC "cartoon"
In-Reply-To: <20080509172452.XHOA9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
References: <20080509172452.XHOA9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <48249C57.6020207@wolfenet.org>

I still think this one is funny.  I mean, come on, track stand or 
unclip, don't lean on cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krkIY3kcHOU


Then you have the insanity of NYC bicycle messengers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQs7u3fDXc


Most the drivers who say something to me fall into one of two categories.

"How comfortable is that thing?"  refering to my recumbent

Or

"Get the ^&*(^(*&% off the road!!!!"  refering to me taking their 
precious lane.


Mark

Bicyclist wrote:
>> Some uncharitable comments I could think of, being an occasional car
>> driver myself...:
>>
>> Why don't you wear real clothes? Your skin tight togs are too
>> revealing for normal street wear... and where'd you get that gut? I
>> thought bicycling made people fit?
>>
>> Please do not walk on my floors with your metal bottomed shoes. You
>> walk like you stepped on a huge wad of gum or worse.
>>
>> The dainty little circling you do while waiting for a traffic signal
>> to change is precious... if you cannot do a track-stand, learn to
>> unclip and put a foot down; and DO NOT LEAN ON MY CAR while you are
>> are waiting!!
>>
>> I guess you want to keep an eye on your bike when you rush into a
>> store, but please do not leave your bike blocking the entrances.
>> Bring and use a lock and find a place to park that isn't in my
>> way!  Leaning your bike on a plate-glass window is just stupid -
>> stop it! And, by the way, you bike-yaywhos who only lock the front
>> wheel deserve to have the rest of your bike stolen - get a clue!
>>
>> Are you deaf? Can't you hear the screeching from your brakes? Do you
>> do this to annoy everyone else?
>>
>> When your bicycling group stops for whatever reason along the road,
>> how about getting out of the way. Clumping up in the roadway while
>> you chat is discourteous to everyone wanting to get by, and more
>> than a little dangerous.
>>
>> Please do not scoff at me while I'm to gassing up at the service
>> station. If I could, I'd be bicycling too.
>>
>> Ok, you folks with the bright lights mounted on your helmets; STOP
>> SHINING YOUR BEAMS IN MY FACE! Sure I'll notice the bright light,
>> but then I'm blinded to anything else and gee I hope I don't hit
>> anything... like you!
>>
>> No Mr. bicyclist, banana peels may be biodegradable but they don't
>> belong flung onto the roadside; eat 'em or carry them to a proper receptacle.
>>
>> The restrooms at convenience stores and gas stations are for
>> customers.... buy something.
>>
>> Do you know that your bicycling helmet is on backwards?
>>
>> To the captain of any passing tandem, "your partner isn't pedaling!"
>>
>> When the traffic light changes and you at the back of the group
>> might get dropped from the group, get over your phobic separation
>> anxiety; STOP ON RED!
>>
>> Do not ridicule me for driving a gas powered vehicle while you coast
>> by powered by Wheaties; I would be biking but I had to deliver this piano.
>>
>> And, let's not forget the shouted gems:
>> Get a horse.
>> Why don't you get a car?
>> Get in the Bike Lane.
>> Get on the sidewalk where you belong.
>> Oh, I didn't see you.
>> Do you think this is the Tour de France?
>> Do you think you are a car?
>>
>> At 04:26 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> The last Bicycle Coalition ChainGuard newsletter asked for input on
>>> what car drivers would like to say to bicyclists, and so far I've
>>> only received a few responses. Below is a compilation of these,
>>> plus some published materials and my own thoughts.
>>> I'm still hoping for input from you!! Please read these over and
>>> tell me what I've missed or mis-stated.
> 
> 
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From JimBaross at cox.net  Sat May 10 20:14:41 2008
From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:14:41 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: [CABO] SF Weekly column: Can't We All Just Roll Along?
Message-ID: <20080511002101.MAAD19736.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Reinforces my views...

>To: caboforum at topica.com, cbc at topica.com, svbc <bikes at svbcbikes.org>
>From: Bob Shanteau <RMShant at gmail.com>
>Subject: [CABO] SF Weekly column: Can't We All Just Roll Along?
>Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:09:48 -0700

>Driver intimidation and getting away from the 
>public perception that cycling is dangerous:
><http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-05-07/news/can-t-we-all-just-roll-along>
>
>Bob Shanteau
>
>*********
>Can't We All Just Roll Along?
>There is a way bike riders and car drivers can 
>more safely coexist, and help the environment.
>By Matt Smith
>Published: May 7, 2008
>
>To envision the future he'd like to see, 
>architect Robin Levitt shows a small downtown 
>crowd of transportation geeks a selection of 
>postwar photographs of Berlin and Copenhagen. 
>During the 1950s, these cities rebuilt their 
>streets, sidewalks, and buildings to accommodate 
>automobiles, just as American cities such as San 
>Francisco did. Predictably, automobiles soon 
>replaced other modes of transportation.
>
>"After the war, both these cities took on the 
>American model of building roads and automobile 
>infrastructure," Levitt said during a 
>presentation last week at the nonprofit think 
>tank San Francisco Planning and Urban Research 
>(SPUR). "As a result, bicycling declined in both 
>of these cities, and they ignored the bicycling and pedestrian environment."
>
>However, following the 1970s OPEC embargo, many 
>European leaders redesigned their cities, 
>inviting back the old ways of getting around by 
>creating space for bicycling, public transit, 
>and walking. As a result, Levitt said, about 15 
>percent of commuter trips in Berlin are made by 
>bicycle; in Copenhagen, more than 33 percent are.
>
>American cities never exited their 1950s 
>automobile course; even in the West Coast bike 
>capitals of San Francisco and Portland, barely 
>more than 3 percent of commute trips are made by 
>bicycle, while the percentage is far lower 
>elsewhere. Americans rarely use public transit, 
>so we consume three times the oil Europeans do. 
>And during the next two decades, statistics from 
>the U.S. Energy Information Administration 
>suggest that gap will widen further, with U.S. 
>petroleum use increasing by 28 percent, while 
>European use grows only 11 percent. 
>Environmentally conscious San Francisco is 
>surprisingly moving with the U.S. mainstream; 
>notwithstanding myriad eco-initiatives, city 
>commuters are taking fewer of their trips by 
>public transport, according to Snyder.
>
>This is the continental energy gap economists 
>refer to when they say Hillary Clinton and John 
>McCain's proposed gas-tax holiday is pandering 
>foolishness. The last thing America needs is 
>politicians' encouragement to get in their cars.
>
>Is it possible for Americans to get their heads 
>around anything else? Unlike Europeans, most 
>Americans ? even in San Francisco ? seem to see 
>bicycling as dangerous and even irresponsible. 
>This perception is enhanced whenever news 
>reports quote police officers blaming bicyclists 
>for collisions with vehicles in which they are injured or killed.
>
>Last week, a San Francisco statistician examined 
>the data behind this phenomenon and discovered a 
>possible solution. Eight years ago, law 
>enforcement in Marin County ? where San 
>Francisco cyclists take their afternoon and 
>weekend rides ? approached bike safety as a 
>major public policy issue, and undertook a 
>coordinated effort to inform police agencies of 
>motorists' responsibility to share the road. 
>Today, Marin is the only Bay Area county where 
>police are more likely to identify drivers as 
>the culprits in collisions involving bikes and 
>cars. This suggests the possibility of a 
>virtuous cycle where safety for bicyclists 
>becomes a public priority, more people take to 
>riding rather than driving, and accommodating 
>cyclists becomes even more pressing. Americans 
>might even take the same detour away from 
>petroleum dependency that Europe took following the last oil crisis.
>
>San Franciscans have stayed in their automobiles 
>for a variety of reasons. Our public transit 
>system is falling apart, and a long-proposed 
>bike-lane network is stalled in an environmental review process.
>
>But rarely talked about is the popular public 
>perception that once someone straddles a bicycle, he becomes a rogue.
>
>The urban youth fad for brakeless, fixed-gear 
>bicycles, in which a single cog is attached to 
>the rear wheel so the rider cannot coast, has 
>enhanced the idea that bike riding is the 
>pastime of irresponsible people. Bicycle 
>messengers riding against traffic and commuters 
>rolling through stop signs only contribute 
>further to this idea. I believe police should 
>cite lawbreaking cyclists and motorists with 
>equal fervor; just such a policy was a central 
>tenet of Marin's "Share the Road" campaign, and 
>S.F. cyclists know not to blow stop signs once they're across the bridge.
>
>But there's a significant difference in the ways 
>cyclists inconvenience motorists by disobeying 
>traffic laws, and the ways motorists routinely 
>threaten cyclists' lives by doing the same. I've 
>driven hundreds of thousands of miles, and never 
>once felt personally endangered by the behavior 
>of a cyclist. While I'm sure there are people 
>out there who experience the roads differently, 
>I think this is significant. Meanwhile, I've 
>ridden my bike tens of thousands of miles, and 
>find my life threatened by a law-breaking 
>motorist nearly every day. When I ride in the 
>center of a traffic lane to avoid smashing into 
>a parked car's open door ? as California law and 
>San Francisco traffic policy prescribes ? 
>several times a week I'll be confronted by 
>motorists attempting to run me off the road, 
>play chicken, or otherwise take unseemly risks 
>in hopes of being first to the next stop sign 
>or, worse, "teaching" me not to get in their 
>way. Many motorists seem to believe bike lanes 
>equal car parking spaces; as a result, the bike 
>lanes in this city are obstructed at a rate far 
>greater than the rest of the street.
>
>As a result, on nearly every block cyclists must 
>merge left, provoking the rage of vigilante 
>drivers. While this kind of behavior is as 
>deadly as it is illegal, and while there are 
>road signs all over San Francisco stating that 
>cyclists may take a full traffic lane, many 
>drivers don't seem to realize they're doing 
>anything wrong when they try to force cyclists 
>off the road. And most cyclists have stories 
>about police officers who erroneously believe 
>state law says cyclists should get out of motorists' way at all costs.
>
>Bay Area statistics bear this out. Randall 
>Smith, a recreational cyclist and owner of Peak 
>Data Solutions, a Bay Area statistical analysis 
>consulting firm, studied California Highway 
>Patrol accident data from 1996 to 2007. After 
>two Peninsula cyclists were killed earlier this 
>year by a police officer who'd reportedly fallen 
>asleep at the wheel, Smith read a Chronicle 
>story that used the incident as a hook for a 
>story suggesting that cyclists are usually at 
>fault in road accidents: The story was headlined 
>"Bicyclists blamed twice as often as drivers."
>
>Smith dug a little further into the data and 
>found that the Chronicle story included 
>incidents where no driver was involved. He also 
>found that cops were still about one and a half 
>times as likely to blame cyclists as motorists for serious collisions.
>
>Bob Mionske, a personal injury lawyer 
>specializing in bike accidents nationwide, says 
>this is consistent with his experience. "When 
>someone mows down a cyclist, you don't get a 
>story saying [drivers] need to obey the law," he 
>says. "They say, 'There go those damned cyclists.'"
>
>During the late 1990s, four such fatal crashes 
>happened in Marin County in rapid succession. 
>District Attorney Paula Kamena decided to take 
>this on as a public safety problem. In 2000 she 
>got area police departments, the sheriff's 
>department, the Highway Patrol, bike coalitions, 
>politicians, and community leaders to put 
>together a bike safety program. "We just sat 
>down and met every couple weeks," the 
>now-retired Kamena says. "That's how it sort of just grew."
>
>Cops and cyclists hung out at coffee shops to 
>discuss safety. The CHP spent money to patrol 
>especially dangerous highways. They all got 
>together to make "Share the Road" posters and 
>signs, which are now everywhere in Marin. And 
>law enforcement got serious about citing 
>motorists, and cyclists who broke traffic laws. 
>Eight years after Kamena's epiphany, the results seem to show up in CHP data.
>
>Smith's analysis of the CHP crash data seems to 
>bear out Kamena's approach. Of the serious 
>collisions in Marin County in which either a 
>motorist or cyclist was blamed by an officer, 
>cyclists were considered at fault 42 percent of 
>the time. In the other eight Bay Area counties, 
>bicyclists were considered to be at fault in 61 
>percent of serious collisions. In San Francisco, 
>53 percent of collisions were deemed to be cyclists' fault.
>
>Nine months ago, the San Francisco Police 
>Department made a training video to teach 
>academy cadets and veterans about the rules of 
>the road as they pertain to bikes. (A call to 
>the academy was not returned by press time.) 
>Observations of the city's bike-patrol cops, who 
>often ride on sidewalks and against traffic 
>without observing traffic regulations, suggest 
>that not everyone got the memo. A viral video 
>showing city cops ticketing cyclists while 
>motorists in the background freely violated 
>traffic laws added to the impression that police 
>efforts to improve safety on the streets have been awkward at best.
>
>But I'm encouraged by the effort. Educating 
>police, motorists, and cyclists about traffic 
>safety might be an important part of the route 
>toward U.S. economic security, environmental 
>sustainability, and a possible end to oil wars.
>
>"What I think is interesting is the threshold 
>after which it becomes common knowledge that 
>bicycling is safe, responsible, and comfortable 
>transportation," says SPUR's transportation 
>policy director, Dave Snyder. "There will be a 
>point when enough people ride bikes that the 
>idea that we're a bunch of freaks, and that 
>we're better off without bicycles because it's dangerous, will be forgotten."
>*************
>




From rob_leone at earthlink.net  Sun May 11 09:08:14 2008
From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:08:14 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Thanks, and a bike boulevard suggestion.
Message-ID: <4826EFBE.90605@earthlink.net>

Dear SDCBC:
	First, I'd like to thank Kerry Kunsman for conducting the bike 
commuting seminar last night. It was much appreciated! And yes, I'll be 
looking into light fixtures for for the rear lights on that bike in the 
near future. Wasn't there a "Chainguard" article about that? Oh yeah, I 
wrote that....
	Second, as Mr. Kunsman pointed out yesterday, Conrad is a low-traffic 
alternative to Clairemnot Mesa Blvd. Bike Boulevard anyone?

Robert Leone


From econver at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 18:38:13 2008
From: econver at yahoo.com (Eric Converse)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:38:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Thanks, and another bike boulevard suggestion.
Message-ID: <284183.50624.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi SDCBC,

We use Conrad (exiting/entering on Limerick) all the time and it's a much more relaxing route then fighting Clairemont Mesa Blvd.  I'd almost consider Conrad a bicycle boulevard the way it is.

Is there any discussion about a bicycle boulevard around El Cajon Blvd?  This area is particularly void of bicycle paths.  Maybe a route down Orange/Howard (I think Kathy mentioned this before)?  With a nice wide shoulder this would be a terrific route with it's own 805 freeway crossing and everything.

Eric Converse


----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Leone <rob_leone at earthlink.net>
To: Sdcbc <sdcbc at bikesandiego.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:08:14 AM
Subject: [SDCBC] Thanks, and a bike boulevard suggestion.

Dear SDCBC:
    First, I'd like to thank Kerry Kunsman for conducting the bike 
commuting seminar last night. It was much appreciated! And yes, I'll be 
looking into light fixtures for for the rear lights on that bike in the 
near future. Wasn't there a "Chainguard" article about that? Oh yeah, I 
wrote that....
    Second, as Mr. Kunsman pointed out yesterday, Conrad is a low-traffic 
alternative to Clairemnot Mesa Blvd. Bike Boulevard anyone?

Robert Leone

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From gcarman at san.rr.com  Sun May 11 20:01:20 2008
From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:01:20 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Thanks, and a bike boulevard suggestion.
In-Reply-To: <4826EFBE.90605@earthlink.net>
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Be aware that Conrad, like many streets in the area, does not cross 805.




At 06:08 AM 5/11/2008, Robert Leone wrote:
>Dear SDCBC:
>         First, I'd like to thank Kerry Kunsman for conducting the bike
>commuting seminar last night. It was much appreciated! And yes, I'll be
>looking into light fixtures for for the rear lights on that bike in the
>near future. Wasn't there a "Chainguard" article about that? Oh yeah, I
>wrote that....
>         Second, as Mr. Kunsman pointed out yesterday, Conrad is a 
> low-traffic
>alternative to Clairemnot Mesa Blvd. Bike Boulevard anyone?
>
>Robert Leone
>
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>
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From rob_leone at earthlink.net  Sun May 11 20:38:35 2008
From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:38:35 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Important notice.
Message-ID: <4827918B.3040903@earthlink.net>

Dear SDCBCers:
	I'd just like to let all your SDCBC mailing list readers know that 
while I attend a lot of board meetings, volunteer here and there and am 
seen on plenty of ride and learns, what I say, do or type on our mailing 
list is not necessarily SDCBC policy. Nor even right all the time.
	I'm not even a League Cycling Instructor, which is in part why I'm 
grateful many LCIs and other experienced riders are forthcoming with 
suggestions whenever I write an article for the "Chainguard," especially 
on safety topics.

Robert Leone


From execdir at sdcbc.org  Sun May 11 23:34:45 2008
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:34:45 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [sdbikekitchen] Mobile Bike Clinics Begin June 7th!! we
	are asking for your support
Message-ID: <002901c8b3e1$203a14f0$60ae3ed0$@org>

The Bike Kitchen is expanding! Hooray!
Kathy

-----Original Message-----
From: sdbikekitchen-owner at lists.riseup.net
[mailto:sdbikekitchen-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of
working_girl1912 at riseup.net
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:37 PM
To: cityheightsfreeskool at lists.riseup.net; sdbikekitchen at lists.riseup.net
Subject: [sdbikekitchen] Mobile Bike Clinics Begin June 7th!! we are asking
for your support

May 11, 2008

Bike Kitchen
4246 Wightman St.
San Diego, CA 92105
619-528-8060
cityheightsfreeskool at riseup.net

Dear Bike Kitchen Friends and Volunteers:

The Bike Kitchen will begin the Mobile Bike Clinic starting Saturday, June
7th. We will be at the park on Fairmont and Wightman in City Heights. This
is where the City Heights Farmers market is also being held. We are
excited to be open and providing services for the community every Saturday
from 9am to 1pm. This will be an amazing opportunity for the Bike Kitchen
to grow and do outreach.

We of coarse would for volunteers to come out with us on Saturdays. We
will begin gathering at the Bike Kitchen at 7:30am every Saturday to be
set up just a block down the street. If you would like to volunteer
anytime on Saturday from 7:30 am to 2:30 pm we would love your extra
hands. And remember that we are all learning together so if you are
hesitant because you don't feel like you know enough about bikes well-
bologne! Your support in anyway you can will be super appreciated.

We are currently looking for a 10x10 tent/canopy for the market where we
will be participating as a community project.

Seeing that we will be  doubling our open hours we are also looking for
donations in kind and monetary donations to help us in our efforts. What
we are currently asking for:

.	any used parts that are not rusted out
.	cone wrench set 13-15 mm
.	spokes
.	arm stand
.	truing stand
.	chain whips
.	pump
.	hammer
.	pedal wrench
.	cassette lock ring remover
.	patch kits
.	allen wrench set
.	loose bearings
.	set ring bearings
.	grip tap and grips
.	tubes
.	chains
.	bmx 16 in tubes, rims, tires
.	reflectors
.	lights
.	helmets
.	tool box
.	big bottle of lube and grease
.	bmx parts





From fuse at san.rr.com  Mon May 12 13:35:57 2008
From: fuse at san.rr.com (fuse at san.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:35:57 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
Message-ID: <11739291.625531210613757572.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02>

I am a fairly new commuter looking to ride across Mira Mesa to my workplace in Sorrento Valley.  Most of my route travels westbound down Mira Mesa Blvd. and my destination is on Sorrento Valley road on the left-hand side, immediately after the I-805 freeway underpass.  

Here two lanes are turning right onto the freeway and the bike lane stops.  This route is listed on the Ridelink Bike Map, so there must be some way to do this safely?

What is the safest way to navigate onto Sorrento Valley road from Mira Mesa Blvd. in rush hour traffic?  I have a similar problem with the 2 e/b lanes turning onto I-805S on the return trip.

Thank you for any advice.
Elaine L.

From markw at wolfenet.org  Mon May 12 13:44:22 2008
From: markw at wolfenet.org (mark wolfe)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:44:22 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <11739291.625531210613757572.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02>
References: <11739291.625531210613757572.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02>
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Any problem with using Sorrento Valley Blvd?   It parallels Mira Mesa 
and has considerably less traffic.   You can thing do a left turn onto 
Sorrento Valley Road and turn right to your work, completely avoiding 
that mess at Mira Mesa and the 805.

Mark

fuse at san.rr.com wrote:
> I am a fairly new commuter looking to ride across Mira Mesa to my workplace in Sorrento Valley.  Most of my route travels westbound down Mira Mesa Blvd. and my destination is on Sorrento Valley road on the left-hand side, immediately after the I-805 freeway underpass.  
> 
> Here two lanes are turning right onto the freeway and the bike lane stops.  This route is listed on the Ridelink Bike Map, so there must be some way to do this safely?
> 
> What is the safest way to navigate onto Sorrento Valley road from Mira Mesa Blvd. in rush hour traffic?  I have a similar problem with the 2 e/b lanes turning onto I-805S on the return trip.
> 
> Thank you for any advice.
> Elaine L.

From serge at issakov.org  Mon May 12 14:51:21 2008
From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:51:21 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <11739291.625531210613757572.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02>
References: <11739291.625531210613757572.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02>
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Hi Elaine,

As far as riding through that type of intersection, I don't want to
encourage you to do something that you don't feel is safe.  It definitely
requires advanced traffic cycling skills, knowledge and experience.   This
is "Road 2" material.   Having said that, the keys are to merge left of the
right only lanes early, which is likely to require negotiating for right of
way to do that, and to be clear that you're controlling the traffic lane by
riding near the center of it, but doing that in 50+ mph traffic can be nerve
racking.   If the lanes are wide enough, sharing the lanes (riding near the
lane stripe) might be an option that some cyclists prefer.   My preference
is to signal clearly and wait until someone slows to my speed, then get into
the lane in front of them, but that's just me.  Again, don't try anything
that you're not comfortable doing.  You might consider practicing when
traffic is less busy, though motor traffic speeds are likely to be even
higher then.

You can also ride the crosswalks and sidewalks, assuming there is a
pedestrian crossing across the 805 onramp lanes.

Once you get past the 805 onramp, you still have to merge all the way left
to make your left (or U?) turn.  A 2.5 mile detour north over to Sorrento
Valley Blvd via Vista Sorrento Parkway, and then back south via Sorrento
Valley Road avoids all this merging if you don't feel safe and comfortable
doing it.  Might be worth the extra 10 minutes...  You can also get over  to
Sorrento Valley Blvd from Mira Mesa Blvd earlier using Camino Ruiz, Camino
Santa Fe, or Lusk Blvd (or Pacific Heights to Barnes Canyon Rd. to Lusk
Blvd).

Eastbound is arguably even more challenging because gravity is working
against you too, but at least there is only lane that you have to merge left
across, and then watch for the right-on-red-runners turning right from the
n/b 805 offramp onto MM blvd.

Hope this helps.

Serge


On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM, <fuse at san.rr.com> wrote:

> I am a fairly new commuter looking to ride across Mira Mesa to my
> workplace in Sorrento Valley.  Most of my route travels westbound down Mira
> Mesa Blvd. and my destination is on Sorrento Valley road on the left-hand
> side, immediately after the I-805 freeway underpass.
>
> Here two lanes are turning right onto the freeway and the bike lane stops.
>  This route is listed on the Ridelink Bike Map, so there must be some way to
> do this safely?
>
> What is the safest way to navigate onto Sorrento Valley road from Mira
> Mesa Blvd. in rush hour traffic?  I have a similar problem with the 2 e/b
> lanes turning onto I-805S on the return trip.
>
> Thank you for any advice.
> Elaine L.
> _______________________________________________
>
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From fuse at san.rr.com  Mon May 12 15:02:59 2008
From: fuse at san.rr.com (fuse at san.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:02:59 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
Message-ID: <1770075.644151210618979962.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02>

I am coming from the South (Miramar Road) so it adds 2 miles and an uphill to the trip.  If it's safer, I'll use the Blvd, but thought there might be some trick I was missing to make the transition easier.  

Forgot to cc: the list. 

---- fuse at san.rr.com wrote: 
> I was hoping to avoid adding 2 miles to the trip -- to take the Blvd and back.  (The building is very close to the underpass.)  If it's safer I'll use the Blvd.  Thanks for the advice.  
> 
> ---- mark wolfe <markw at wolfenet.org> wrote: 
> > Any problem with using Sorrento Valley Blvd?   It parallels Mira Mesa 
> > and has considerably less traffic.   You can thing do a left turn onto 
> > Sorrento Valley Road and turn right to your work, completely avoiding 
> > that mess at Mira Mesa and the 805.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > fuse at san.rr.com wrote:
> > > I am a fairly new commuter looking to ride across Mira Mesa to my workplace in Sorrento Valley.  Most of my route travels westbound down Mira Mesa Blvd. and my destination is on Sorrento Valley road on the left-hand side, immediately after the I-805 freeway underpass.  
> > > 
> > > Here two lanes are turning right onto the freeway and the bike lane stops.  This route is listed on the Ridelink Bike Map, so there must be some way to do this safely?
> > > 
> > > What is the safest way to navigate onto Sorrento Valley road from Mira Mesa Blvd. in rush hour traffic?  I have a similar problem with the 2 e/b lanes turning onto I-805S on the return trip.
> > > 
> > > Thank you for any advice.
> > > Elaine L.


From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 12 15:03:22 2008
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:03:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0805121151u7bdff5bfn55c07c589a4865@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544071.53982.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Having worked in Sorrento Mesa, Carroll Canyon, and Sorrento Valley for many years, I know (and detest) the interchange in question. (By the way, the situation is even worse for pedestrians -- been there, done that.) I refuse to walk or bike westbound under I-805 unless traffic is either extremely light or congested to relatively low speeds.

If you ride a mountain bike or don't mind a bit of overland hiking or cyclocross, check out the dirt road which goes under I-805 and parallels Sorrento Valley Rd. This was always my preferred route in dry weather, and it circumnavigates all of the freeway ramps. However, it does get pretty miserably muddy during and following every rainstorm. I understand it is slated for paving as part of the same circulation improvement project which has punched Mira Sorrento to Vista Sorrento Parkway.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful, but this interchange is one of my posterchildren for what is wrong with CalTrans' traffic engineering.

John E.

Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org> wrote: Hi Elaine,

As far as riding through that type of intersection, I don't want to encourage you to do something that you don't feel is safe.  It definitely requires advanced traffic cycling skills, knowledge and experience.   This is "Road 2" material.   
You can also ride the crosswalks and sidewalks, assuming there is a pedestrian crossing across the 805 onramp lanes. ...

Once you get past the 805 onramp, you still have to merge all the way left to make your left (or U?) turn.  


Hope this helps.

Serge


On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM,  <fuse at san.rr.com> wrote:
 I am a fairly new commuter looking to ride across Mira Mesa to my workplace in Sorrento Valley.  Most of my route travels westbound down Mira Mesa Blvd. and my destination is on Sorrento Valley road on the left-hand side, immediately after the I-805 freeway underpass.
  
 Here two lanes are turning right onto the freeway and the bike lane stops.  This route is listed on the Ridelink Bike Map, so there must be some way to do this safely?
 

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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 12 15:08:43 2008
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:08:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
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In that case, you really should look into my dirt path alternative. From Miramar, get yourself onto Carroll Canyon Rd., then pick up the trailhead from the parking lot to the west of Scranton Rd. Particularly if you work just west of I-805, this will be your quickest and safest route in dry weather.

John E.

fuse at san.rr.com wrote: I am coming from the South (Miramar Road) so it adds 2 miles and an uphill to the trip.  If it's safer, I'll use the Blvd, but thought there might be some trick I was missing to make the transition easier.  


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From thomas.treynolds at gmail.com  Mon May 12 15:10:09 2008
From: thomas.treynolds at gmail.com (Thomas Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:10:09 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0805121151u7bdff5bfn55c07c589a4865@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11739291.625531210613757572.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02>
	<69ec985b0805121151u7bdff5bfn55c07c589a4865@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <998c822f0805121210m516c65a7s296d275038bd3ec3@mail.gmail.com>

That's part of my commute also.  Negotiating that pass under 805 can
be difficult for the most experienced commuter.

As another person suggested, Sorrento Valley Blvd / Calle Cristobal
parallels Mira Mesa Blvd, although since your work is just west of 805
you will have to do some backtracking on Sorrento Valley Rd.  Getting
from Mira Mesa up to Calle Cristobal can be done at Camino Santa Fe
(no fun), Montongo (easy) or Camino Ruiz (ok).

If you don't mind the backtracking this is a much more pleasant way to
go.  There is also an off-road path into Penasquitos Canyon down a
trail called Lopez Road, easily rideable on a cross bike (and more
fun).

Email me direct if you'd like more info.

Tom
thomas.treynolds at gmail.com

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org> wrote:
> Hi Elaine,
>
> As far as riding through that type of intersection, I don't want to
> encourage you to do something that you don't feel is safe.  It definitely
> requires advanced traffic cycling skills, knowledge and experience.   This
> is "Road 2" material.   Having said that, the keys are to merge left of the
> right only lanes early, which is likely to require negotiating for right of
> way to do that, and to be clear that you're controlling the traffic lane by
> riding near the center of it, but doing that in 50+ mph traffic can be nerve
> racking.   If the lanes are wide enough, sharing the lanes (riding near the
> lane stripe) might be an option that some cyclists prefer.   My preference
> is to signal clearly and wait until someone slows to my speed, then get into
> the lane in front of them, but that's just me.  Again, don't try anything
> that you're not comfortable doing.  You might consider practicing when
> traffic is less busy, though motor traffic speeds are likely to be even
> higher then.
>
> You can also ride the crosswalks and sidewalks, assuming there is a
> pedestrian crossing across the 805 onramp lanes.
>
> Once you get past the 805 onramp, you still have to merge all the way left
> to make your left (or U?) turn.  A 2.5 mile detour north over to Sorrento
> Valley Blvd via Vista Sorrento Parkway, and then back south via Sorrento
> Valley Road avoids all this merging if you don't feel safe and comfortable
> doing it.  Might be worth the extra 10 minutes...  You can also get over  to
> Sorrento Valley Blvd from Mira Mesa Blvd earlier using Camino Ruiz, Camino
> Santa Fe, or Lusk Blvd (or Pacific Heights to Barnes Canyon Rd. to Lusk
> Blvd).
>
> Eastbound is arguably even more challenging because gravity is working
> against you too, but at least there is only lane that you have to merge left
> across, and then watch for the right-on-red-runners turning right from the
> n/b 805 offramp onto MM blvd.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Serge
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM, <fuse at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am a fairly new commuter looking to ride across Mira Mesa to my
> workplace in Sorrento Valley.  Most of my route travels westbound down Mira
> Mesa Blvd. and my destination is on Sorrento Valley road on the left-hand
> side, immediately after the I-805 freeway underpass.
> >
> > Here two lanes are turning right onto the freeway and the bike lane stops.
> This route is listed on the Ridelink Bike Map, so there must be some way to
> do this safely?
> >
> > What is the safest way to navigate onto Sorrento Valley road from Mira
> Mesa Blvd. in rush hour traffic?  I have a similar problem with the 2 e/b
> lanes turning onto I-805S on the return trip.
> >
> > Thank you for any advice.
> > Elaine L.
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org
> >
> > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to
> http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc
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> > Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not
> necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board.
> > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to
> postmaster at stickman-computing.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by
> any organization in which I am involved.
> _______________________________________________
>
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From markw at wolfenet.org  Mon May 12 16:42:04 2008
From: markw at wolfenet.org (mark wolfe)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:42:04 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <998c822f0805121210m516c65a7s296d275038bd3ec3@mail.gmail.com>
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If we knew approximately where you were starting, that could be a big 
help.  I've pointed out routes people would've never thought about using 
before because they've usually stuck with the main streets.  I'm sure 
others here do the same.

Mark

Thomas Reynolds wrote:
> That's part of my commute also.  Negotiating that pass under 805 can
> be difficult for the most experienced commuter.
> 
> As another person suggested, Sorrento Valley Blvd / Calle Cristobal
> parallels Mira Mesa Blvd, although since your work is just west of 805
> you will have to do some backtracking on Sorrento Valley Rd.  Getting
> from Mira Mesa up to Calle Cristobal can be done at Camino Santa Fe
> (no fun), Montongo (easy) or Camino Ruiz (ok).
> 
> If you don't mind the backtracking this is a much more pleasant way to
> go.  There is also an off-road path into Penasquitos Canyon down a
> trail called Lopez Road, easily rideable on a cross bike (and more
> fun).
> 
> Email me direct if you'd like more info.
> 
> Tom

From fuse at san.rr.com  Mon May 12 16:46:14 2008
From: fuse at san.rr.com (fuse at san.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:46:14 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
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Thanks for the advice, everyone.  Sounds like I am making the trip up to the Blvd.  I briefly entertained using the Vista Sorrento Parkway pedestrian crossing, stopping halfway through (!) and backing into the bike lane, then turning right with traffic which would set me up in the left lane.  ...then decided your suggestions were eminently more sensible.

I ride a road bike - but thanks for the tips about Penasquitos and also the dirt road.  I will check those out on foot and see if I can carry the bike.  Serge, unfortunately there is no ped. crossing for the I-805 2 onramp lanes.  Can't imagine how pedestrians do it, transit would drop you off at the Staples (921 route) and you'd be stuck in the same place.

I am grateful for the help.  Thank you very much.



---- John Eldon <j.eldon at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> Having worked in Sorrento Mesa, Carroll Canyon, and Sorrento Valley for many years, I know (and detest) the interchange in question. (By the way, the situation is even worse for pedestrians -- been there, done that.) I refuse to walk or bike westbound under I-805 unless traffic is either extremely light or congested to relatively low speeds.
> 
> If you ride a mountain bike or don't mind a bit of overland hiking or cyclocross, check out the dirt road which goes under I-805 and parallels Sorrento Valley Rd. This was always my preferred route in dry weather, and it circumnavigates all of the freeway ramps. However, it does get pretty miserably muddy during and following every rainstorm. I understand it is slated for paving as part of the same circulation improvement project which has punched Mira Sorrento to Vista Sorrento Parkway.
> 
> Sorry I cannot be more helpful, but this interchange is one of my posterchildren for what is wrong with CalTrans' traffic engineering.
> 
> John E.
> 
> Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org> wrote: Hi Elaine,
> 
> As far as riding through that type of intersection, I don't want to encourage you to do something that you don't feel is safe.  It definitely requires advanced traffic cycling skills, knowledge and experience.   This is "Road 2" material.   
> You can also ride the crosswalks and sidewalks, assuming there is a pedestrian crossing across the 805 onramp lanes. ...
> 
> Once you get past the 805 onramp, you still have to merge all the way left to make your left (or U?) turn.  
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Serge
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM,  <fuse at san.rr.com> wrote:
>  I am a fairly new commuter looking to ride across Mira Mesa to my workplace in Sorrento Valley.  Most of my route travels westbound down Mira Mesa Blvd. and my destination is on Sorrento Valley road on the left-hand side, immediately after the I-805 freeway underpass.
>   
>  Here two lanes are turning right onto the freeway and the bike lane stops.  This route is listed on the Ridelink Bike Map, so there must be some way to do this safely?
>  
> 


From fuse at san.rr.com  Mon May 12 16:48:37 2008
From: fuse at san.rr.com (fuse at san.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:48:37 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
Message-ID: <32276894.1003801210625317670.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web07-z02>

I apologize for the omission.  I am starting at Maya Linda Road.  It's close to the Caroll Canyon exit off I-15.  I ride a road bike.



---- mark wolfe <markw at wolfenet.org> wrote: 
> If we knew approximately where you were starting, that could be a big 
> help.  I've pointed out routes people would've never thought about using 
> before because they've usually stuck with the main streets.  I'm sure 
> others here do the same.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Thomas Reynolds wrote:
> > That's part of my commute also.  Negotiating that pass under 805 can
> > be difficult for the most experienced commuter.
> > 
> > As another person suggested, Sorrento Valley Blvd / Calle Cristobal
> > parallels Mira Mesa Blvd, although since your work is just west of 805
> > you will have to do some backtracking on Sorrento Valley Rd.  Getting
> > from Mira Mesa up to Calle Cristobal can be done at Camino Santa Fe
> > (no fun), Montongo (easy) or Camino Ruiz (ok).
> > 
> > If you don't mind the backtracking this is a much more pleasant way to
> > go.  There is also an off-road path into Penasquitos Canyon down a
> > trail called Lopez Road, easily rideable on a cross bike (and more
> > fun).
> > 
> > Email me direct if you'd like more info.
> > 
> > Tom


From markw at wolfenet.org  Mon May 12 16:59:21 2008
From: markw at wolfenet.org (mark wolfe)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:59:21 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Sorrento Valley Advice Please
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I'd go Gold Coast -> Weston Hill Dr -> Aquarius -> Camino Ruiz -> Calle 
Cristibal.   It'd be a FAST commute to work, downhill all the way