[SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego

Mon Mar 31 22:15:52 EDT 2008

No.  This trail does not cross the RR track anywhere.  It comes pretty close
to it when you go under Regents and Genessee but so would a vehicle, fire
engine or otherwise.  As for attaching a bike/ped bridge to the 52 bridge, I
can visualize a 180-270 degree loop on the north side to get high enough
over the tracks   But I think that is less practical. And you are talking
about going into San Clemente Canyon.   What I am suggesting is a trail on
the north side of Rose Canyon and has far more gentle incline.  You might
have to contend with objections from the RR and the La Jolla Colony
Homeowner Association.

I am not sure where it could go beyond Genessee.  You will have to avoid
Miramar.  You might turn north to go on Nobel Drive or go under 805 to get
to Clairemont Mesa (or both).  Maybe we can loop around to get back to San
Clemente Canyon.  I think there are some possibilities here.

--Steve McNeil
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jim Baross, Jr. [mailto:JimBaross at cox.net]
  Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:15 PM
  To: Steve McNeil; Gene Carman; SDCBC
  Subject: RE: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego

  To connect to either of those canyon trails from the west, isn't it
necessary to cross the RR tracks?
  There was a proposal at one time to attach a bike/ped crossing onto the 52
bridge over the tracks.

  At 06:53 PM 3/30/2008, Steve McNeil wrote:

    Highway 52 is in San Clemente Canyon.  Rose Canyon is the next one
north.  The Rose Canyon Bike Path ends there.  There is a good, well graded
dirt road going east from there and parallels the railroad track.  I rode my
mountain bike on it.  It goes east from near the bike path, goes underneath
Regents Road and underneath Genesee Avenue and beyond. That kind of
continuity is not possible in San Clemente Canyon as both Genesee and
Regents go all the way to the canyon floor there. It also has access to both
sides of each of these streets.  It has one deep dip that can be easily
circumvented.  I can just visualize it being paved as an extension of the
current Rose Canyon Bike Path,

    It would also solve the problem of accessing the bike path for those who
come down La Jolla Colony Drive and get to the bike path.  They could get to
the bike path via this extension.

    I thought this road is a fire access road but I am not sure.  It has
that deep dip that I can't imagine a fire truck getting through.

    --Steve McNeil.

     -----Original Message-----
    From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [
mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Jim Baross, Jr.
    Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:18 PM
    To: Gene Carman; SDCBC
    Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego

      Which one(s) first?

      My recommendation - Hwy 52, to/from Hwy 5 as far east as
possible/reasonable.

      We've tried several times. This canyon non-route is probably one of
the reasons SDCBC got started; a controversy w/the Sierra Club when 15 went
in.

      Maybe there are other sites?

      At 02:05 PM 3/30/2008, Gene Carman wrote:

        Actually a bikepath "hiway" along the same routes of the existing
freeways would probably serve the largest population in the area due to
population growth that tends to occur along freeways.  Cyclists want to go
to the same locations as drivers.

        In many cases, there is a wider amount of land dedicated to the
freeway right of way then is actually used for freeway...  a single bikepath
can be created in less space then 2 new lanes on a freeway, and along the
same right of way.   Adding a 10 foot wide bikepath can reduce the traffic
load on a freeway more then adding two 10 foot wide lanes to a Freeway can
reduce congestion.

        Funding should come from the same agencies that fund Freeways...
bike transportation facilities are simply another form of public
transportation.

        OK, I've answered all the questions...  when do we get started?

        At 10:13 AM 3/30/2008, Jim Baross, Jr. wrote:

          I'm happy and supportive of Eric's inspirations! Speaking in
generalities, this sounds and could be wonderful... though you are likely to
read responses about how it couldn't or shouldn't be done.  :-(

          To seriously act on the inspiration - one that isn't BTW new to
many of us - something besides dreaming and typing needs doing, right?

          Now, a few task suggestions. Figure out exactly where you think
such a proposal would work in the San Diego area; a Bike Path or maybe a
Bicycle Boulevard or ? .. connecting what and following or creating what
route... then maybe think about/research an estimate of costs 'cause besides
location, cost matters big time! You might be ready then with a proposal
that SDCBC, an individual, or ? would propose to the site-owning agency for
funding. Sound exciting? Good, then do it.

          It's sort of useless to debate the generalities between facility
types when it's the specific site and uses that make for bigger differences,
IMHO. Let's get specific.

          * Ban all but bikes, transit and delivery vehicles in a downtown
area?... or impose single-occupancy vehicle use taxes for downtown like
London has?

          * Create a Bike Path/MUP/Bike Boulevard linking Mid City or
UCSD/SDSU or ? to Downtown or University Town Center/La Mesa or ?

          * what?

          Jim (likes dreams, lives reality) Baross

          At 01:52 AM 3/30/2008, Eric Converse wrote:

            I've been inspired.  These recent discussions on bicycle paths
have led me to create the following blog entry:

            San Diego and Bogota Columbia (a bicyle path comparison):

            www.ativsolutions.com/cblog

            In short, you'll notice that Bogota (serving a much larger, and
poorer, population) does a couple of things we don't do here.  Their bicycle
paths are contiguous and are routed through major population centers.  While
many of our bicycle paths, while pretty (riding next to the water
mainly),are often fragmented with huge gaps between them.  What we need are
long continuous paths (much like our freeway system) that provide a backbone
for this city's bicycle transportation network.  Needless to say we won't
always be on a bicycle path no matter how good we make the system, but we
can provide a network that links the city together and serves vastly more
people.

            Can't we do at least as good as a poor city in a third world
country?

            Eric
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