[SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego

[Jim Baross, Jr.]

To connect to either of those canyon trails from the west, isn't it 
necessary to cross the RR tracks?
There was a proposal at one time to attach a bike/ped crossing onto 
the 52 bridge over the tracks.

At 06:53 PM 3/30/2008, Steve McNeil wrote:
>Highway 52 is in San Clemente Canyon.  Rose Canyon is the next one 
>north.  The Rose Canyon Bike Path ends there.  There is a good, well 
>graded dirt road going east from there and parallels the railroad 
>track.  I rode my mountain bike on it.  It goes east from near the 
>bike path, goes underneath Regents Road and underneath Genesee 
>Avenue and beyond. That kind of continuity is not possible in San 
>Clemente Canyon as both Genesee and Regents go all the way to the 
>canyon floor there. It also has access to both sides of each of 
>these streets.  It has one deep dip that can be easily 
>circumvented.  I can just visualize it being paved as an extension 
>of the current Rose Canyon Bike Path,
>
>It would also solve the problem of accessing the bike path for those 
>who come down La Jolla Colony Drive and get to the bike path.  They 
>could get to the bike path via this extension.
>
>I thought this road is a fire access road but I am not sure.  It has 
>that deep dip that I can't imagine a fire truck getting through.
>
>--Steve McNeil.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org 
>[mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Jim Baross, Jr.
>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:18 PM
>To: Gene Carman; SDCBC
>Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego
>
>Which one(s) first?
>
>My recommendation - Hwy 52, to/from Hwy 5 as far east as possible/reasonable.
>We've tried several times. This canyon non-route is probably one of 
>the reasons SDCBC got started; a controversy w/the Sierra Club when 
>15 went in.
>
>Maybe there are other sites?
>
>At 02:05 PM 3/30/2008, Gene Carman wrote:
>
>>Actually a bikepath "hiway" along the same routes of the existing 
>>freeways would probably serve the largest population in the area 
>>due to population growth that tends to occur along 
>>freeways.  Cyclists want to go to the same locations as drivers.
>>
>>In many cases, there is a wider amount of land dedicated to the 
>>freeway right of way then is actually used for freeway...  a single 
>>bikepath can be created in less space then 2 new lanes on a 
>>freeway, and along the same right of way.   Adding a 10 foot wide 
>>bikepath can reduce the traffic load on a freeway more then adding 
>>two 10 foot wide lanes to a Freeway can reduce congestion.
>>
>>Funding should come from the same agencies that fund 
>>Freeways...  bike transportation facilities are simply another form 
>>of public transportation.
>>
>>OK, I've answered all the questions...  when do we get started?
>>
>>
>>
>>At 10:13 AM 3/30/2008, Jim Baross, Jr. wrote:
>>>I'm happy and supportive of Eric's inspirations! Speaking in 
>>>generalities, this sounds and could be wonderful... though you are 
>>>likely to read responses about how it couldn't or shouldn't be done.  :-(
>>>To seriously act on the inspiration - one that isn't BTW new to 
>>>many of us - something besides dreaming and typing needs doing, right?
>>>
>>>Now, a few task suggestions. Figure out exactly where you think 
>>>such a proposal would work in the San Diego area; a Bike Path or 
>>>maybe a Bicycle Boulevard or ? .. connecting what and following or 
>>>creating what route... then maybe think about/research an estimate 
>>>of costs 'cause besides location, cost matters big time! You might 
>>>be ready then with a proposal that SDCBC, an individual, or ? 
>>>would propose to the site-owning agency for funding. Sound 
>>>exciting? Good, then do it.
>>>
>>>It's sort of useless to debate the generalities between facility 
>>>types when it's the specific site and uses that make for bigger 
>>>differences, IMHO. Let's get specific.
>>>* Ban all but bikes, transit and delivery vehicles in a downtown 
>>>area?... or impose single-occupancy vehicle use taxes for downtown 
>>>like London has?
>>>* Create a Bike Path/MUP/Bike Boulevard linking Mid City or 
>>>UCSD/SDSU or ? to Downtown or University Town Center/La Mesa or ?
>>>* what?
>>>
>>>Jim (likes dreams, lives reality) Baross
>>>
>>>At 01:52 AM 3/30/2008, Eric Converse wrote:
>>>>I've been inspired.  These recent discussions on bicycle paths 
>>>>have led me to create the following blog entry:
>>>>
>>>>San Diego and Bogota Columbia (a bicyle path comparison):
>>>><http://www.ativsolutions.com/cblog>www.ativsolutions.com/cblog
>>>>
>>>>In short, you'll notice that Bogota (serving a much larger, and 
>>>>poorer, population) does a couple of things we don't do 
>>>>here.  Their bicycle paths are contiguous and are routed through 
>>>>major population centers.  While many of our bicycle paths, while 
>>>>pretty (riding next to the water mainly),are often fragmented 
>>>>with huge gaps between them.  What we need are long continuous 
>>>>paths (much like our freeway system) that provide a backbone for 
>>>>this city's bicycle transportation network.  Needless to say we 
>>>>won't always be on a bicycle path no matter how good we make the 
>>>>system, but we can provide a network that links the city together 
>>>>and serves vastly more people.
>>>>
>>>>Can't we do at least as good as a poor city in a third world country?
>>>>
>>>>Eric
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