[SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego

[Eric Converse]

This is exciting conversation!  Gene, I like your idea of a parallel system using the freeways, maybe we can pick a particular freeway that this would be best suited for and start drumming up a proposal.  I'd also be thrilled to support a 52 bike path and Rose Canyon bike path.

If SDCBC tried this before on the 52 what stopped it?  What types of road blocks can we forsee and how do we circumvent them?

What can the members, specifically, do to help with such a project?

Eric



----- Original Message ----
From: Steve McNeil <smcneil2 at san.rr.com>
To: "Jim Baross, Jr." <JimBaross at cox.net>; Gene Carman <gcarman at san.rr.com>; SDCBC <sdcbc at bikesandiego.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:53:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego

 Highway 52 is in San Clemente Canyon.  Rose Canyon is the next one 
north.  The Rose Canyon Bike Path ends there.  There is a good, well 
graded dirt road going east from there and parallels the railroad track.  I 
rode my mountain bike on it.  It goes east from near the bike path, goes 
underneath Regents Road and underneath Genesee Avenue and 
beyond. That kind of continuity is not possible in San Clemente Canyon 
as both Genesee and Regents go all the way to the canyon floor there. It also 
has access to both sides of each of these streets.  It has one deep dip 
that can be easily circumvented.  I can just visualize it being paved as an 
extension of the current Rose Canyon Bike Path,  
 
It 
would also solve the problem of accessing the bike path for those who come down 
La Jolla Colony Drive and get to the bike path.  They could get to the bike 
path via this extension.
 
I 
thought this road is a fire access road but I am not sure.  It has that 
deep dip that I can't imagine a fire truck getting through.
 
--Steve McNeil.
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On 
Behalf Of Jim Baross, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:18 PM
To: Gene Carman; SDCBC
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego


Which one(s) first?

My   recommendation - Hwy 52, to/from Hwy 5 as far east as   possible/reasonable.
We've tried several times. This canyon non-route is   probably one of the reasons SDCBC got started; a controversy w/the Sierra Club   when 15 went in. 

Maybe there are other sites?

At 02:05 PM   3/30/2008, Gene Carman wrote:

  Actually a bikepath "hiway" along     the same routes of the existing freeways would probably serve the largest     population in the area due to population growth that tends to occur along     freeways.  Cyclists want to go to the same locations as drivers.      

In many cases, there is a wider amount of land dedicated to the     freeway right of way then is actually used for freeway...  a single     bikepath can be created in less space then 2 new lanes on a freeway, and     along the same right of way.   Adding a 10 foot wide bikepath can     reduce the traffic load on a freeway more then adding two 10 foot wide lanes     to a Freeway can reduce congestion.  

Funding should come from     the same agencies that fund Freeways...  bike transportation facilities     are simply another form of public transportation.

OK, I've answered     all the questions...  when do we get started? 



At 10:13     AM 3/30/2008, Jim Baross, Jr. wrote:
    I'm happy and supportive of       Eric's inspirations! Speaking in generalities, this sounds and could be       wonderful... though you are likely to read responses about how it couldn't       or shouldn't be done.  :-(  
To seriously act on the       inspiration - one that isn't BTW new to many of us - something besides       dreaming and typing needs doing, right?

Now, a few task       suggestions. Figure out exactly where you think such a proposal would work       in the San Diego area; a Bike Path or maybe a Bicycle Boulevard or ? ..       connecting what and following or creating what route... then maybe think       about/research an estimate of costs 'cause besides location, cost matters       big time! You might be ready then with a proposal that SDCBC, an       individual, or ? would propose to the site-owning agency for funding.       Sound exciting? Good, then do it.

It's sort of useless to debate       the generalities between facility types when it's the specific site and       uses that make for bigger differences, IMHO. Let's get specific. 
* Ban       all but bikes, transit and delivery vehicles in a downtown area?... or       impose single-occupancy vehicle use taxes for downtown like London       has?
* Create a Bike Path/MUP/Bike Boulevard linking Mid City or       UCSD/SDSU or ? to Downtown or University Town Center/La Mesa or ?
*       what?

Jim (likes dreams, lives reality) Baross

At 01:52 AM       3/30/2008, Eric Converse wrote:
      I've been inspired.          These recent discussions on bicycle paths have led me to create the         following blog entry:

San Diego and Bogota Columbia (a bicyle         path comparison):
www.ativsolutions.com/cblog

In         short, you'll notice that Bogota (serving a much larger, and poorer,         population) does a couple of things we don't do here.  Their         bicycle paths are contiguous and are routed through major population         centers.  While many of our bicycle paths, while pretty (riding         next to the water mainly),are often fragmented with huge gaps between         them.  What we need are long continuous paths (much like our         freeway system) that provide a backbone for this city's bicycle         transportation network.  Needless to say we won't always be on a         bicycle path no matter how good we make the system, but we can provide a         network that links the city together and serves vastly more         people.

Can't we do at least as good as a poor city in a third         world       country?

Eric_______________________________________________

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