From rob_leone at earthlink.net Sun Jun 1 00:23:32 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:23:32 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SD Police: "You need to be in the bike lane" In-Reply-To: <20080531232938.XQQL5514.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com> References: <20080531232938.XQQL5514.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com> Message-ID: <48422444.704@earthlink.net> Gene Carman wrote: > The only problem with that view is how do you reach those that need the > education the most. Bike shops are not promoting cycling education... > so a new cyclist has to seek it... > > Since SDCBC doesn't exactly advertise, and neither do the LCIs... that > narrows things down to a pretty small segment of the population that > might just find it. > SNIP > Education is nice, but you have to get it to the people. > SNIP Dear Gene: Thanks! I think I'll be writing a letter to the Union-Tribune, and maybe the Beach & Bay Press. The theme will be dismay at the road skills of freshly minted cycling commuters and how FREE classes are available.... Robert Leone From rob_leone at earthlink.net Sun Jun 1 00:32:17 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:32:17 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SD Police: "You need to be in the bike lane" In-Reply-To: <20080531.123029.3025.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080531.123029.3025.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48422651.4000302@earthlink.net> Dear Frank: Somehow I don't think uniformed SDPD officers riding bikes with blinking red and blue lights and wearing holstered pistols and sheathed radios (they're getting amazingly small, but they still change the rider's silhouette) get the same level of adverse attention from that tenth of a percent of the motoring public who say or do irritating, harrassing or dangerous things in the presence of cyclists. If they DID, we'd be seeing newspaper stories about how long someone's going to be in prison for assaulting an officer with a soft drink about every month or so.... Robert Leone Frank Paiano wrote: > Greetings, Friends. The people we really need to get after are the > patrol officers who are assigned to bicycles! They know first hand the > mistreatment we receive. > > Frnak Paiano > Ocean Beach > > > > . > . > . > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as rob_leone at earthlink.net > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From sdmcgale at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 18:30:52 2008 From: sdmcgale at yahoo.com (Gale Chan) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Gas prices knock bicycle sales, repairs into higher gear Message-ID: <72466.47580.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'm pleasantly surprised that people I personally know are getting on bikes and commuting to work. Actually, I'm flabbergasted. I've lent out both my Road 1 book and Street Smarts booklet. They are all saying similar things--how much fun it is to bike ride instead of drive, they're pleased to be getting some exercise, and it doesn't take much more time to ride vs drive. None of them are talking about gas prices. Will they continue to ride their bikes? Or will the bikes end up hanging on hooks in the garage? Only time will tell. -- Gale ----- Original Message ---- From: Abulifia To: SDCBC Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:02:17 AM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Gas prices knock bicycle sales, repairs into higher gear This story is a forgettable factoid - For many commuters, biking to work is just not an option because not everyone works within 10 miles of their employer. Then again, if enough cagers get splattered the first time they take out their shiny new $5k Trek, it may just change for the better the manner in which bicyclists are treated and LEOs enforce the Vehicle Code against negligent motorists who mow down bicyclists. Personally, I think it is way too early to have an informed opinion about some blip in the sales of bicycles based on the price of gas. Once the next corporate friendly figurehead occupies the Oval Office and suspends the federal gas tax for the summer months, we won't see another byline about bicycle sales until the demand for gas under $4.00/gal. as a result of the election year pandering drives gas up to $200.00/barrel and some bored writer somewhere writes another story about bicycle sales again. Philip Erdelsky wrote: See http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080511/work_bikes.html?.v=2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080601/562a1250/attachment-0001.html From rob_leone at earthlink.net Sun Jun 1 20:37:35 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:37:35 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Nice words for the SDPD. Message-ID: <484340CF.1020705@earthlink.net> Dear SDCBCers: How about some praise for the SDPD? I'll start -- on Friday's commute home I called the dispatch line (619.531.2000 for those playing at home) to report three vehicles illegally parked in a signed, striped and stenciled 'No Parking/Bike Lane" on Nebel Drive (yup, my hobby again). Four hours later, the SDPD dispatcher called my home nomber to ask if I was still in the area and could tell them if the vehicles were still there. So why is this praise? With all the vehicular mayhem and acute traffic disruption that accompanies a typical San Diego Friday afternoon commute, the dispatch center kept track of a realatively low priority item, and hours later tried to confirm if the information was still valid and worth assigning to a unit. Saturday morning, as I rode past the area, I saw two vehicled I'd not remembered from Friday night parked illegally in precisely the same area, with little yellow envelopes stuck under their wiper blades. In other public safety praise notes, I'd like to take this opportunity to note I once saw one of the Downton Clean and Safe Ambassadors riding, looking about and making hand signals with such scupulous care, attention to other road users and clarity you'd mistake him for a League Cycling Instructor being a good example except that I was the only other cyclist on the street. It almost makes up for the SDPD officer on a bike I saw rolling west on E street (one way eastbound) before turning right to head north on Fourth Street (one way southbound). Robert Leone From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 2 08:08:39 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Gas prices knock bicycle sales, repairs into higher gear In-Reply-To: <72466.47580.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <967332.58696.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As a starving UCLA grad student, I worked part-time at the original Bikecology shop chain from mid 1972 through mid 1974. I saw the center of the biggest wave of the "bike boom," which had actually started well before the 1973 "gas crisis." In fact, the bike boom may have started (very slowly, at first) with Keith Kingbay's derailleur-geared Varsity and Continental in mid-1960, over Frank Schwinn's original objections. These Varsinentals targeted the adult market for the first time in decades. About the same time, the Surgeon General advocated cycling as an ideal form of aerobic exercise. Some folks started cycling because of high gasoline prices, but there were other factors at play, as well. This time MAY be different, in the sense that although I fully expect gasoline prices to decline somewhat between Labor Day and the November general election, I think the BRIC country (Brazil, Russia, India, China, etc.) demand will keep crude oil above $80/barrel and U.S. gasoline prices permanently well above $3/gallon. I am also hoping to see a renewed interest in aerobic exercise among a population which is becoming progressively heavier and sicker from the classic deadly sins of gluttony, sloth, and greed. Time will tell, but it should be interesting ... John E. --- On Sun, 6/1/08, Gale Chan <sdmcgale at yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gale Chan <sdmcgale at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Gas prices knock bicycle sales, repairs into higher gear To: "Abulifia" <abulifia1 at cox.net>, "SDCBC Mailing List" <sdcbc at bikesandiego.org> Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:30 PM I'm pleasantly surprised that people I personally know are getting on bikes and commuting to work.  Actually, I'm flabbergasted.  I've lent out both my Road 1 book and Street Smarts booklet.  They are all saying similar things--how much fun it is to bike ride instead of drive, they're pleased to be getting some exercise, and it doesn't take much more time to ride vs drive.  None of them are talking about gas prices. Will they continue to ride their bikes?  Or will the bikes end up hanging on hooks in the garage?  Only time will tell. -- Gale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080602/935b2eb1/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 2 09:52:05 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:52:05 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] SD Police: "You need to be in the bike lane" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The next time that particular officer sees Serge riding anywhere but in the gutter, I fully expect him to issue a traffic citation for "obstructing traffic." This is why we so desperately need to educate law enforcement. John E. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of JonIsaacs at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:04 PM To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] SD Police: "You need to be in the bike lane" Hello to all... Here's my thinking... Educating cyclists is the most important thing we can due simply because an educated cyclist has to the tools to ride safely in the real world, the world where enforcers are confused and motorists are not aware of proper etiquette in the presence of cyclists. Educating law enforcement as well as the general driving public is a worthy dream but it does not give uneducated cyclists the tools to ride in a safe and sane manner, they are still vulnerable because of their ignorance. Currently motorists deal with cyclists from a pragmatic viewpoint, they assume cyclists are going to run stop signs and stoplights, ride the wrong way, do all the things we see so frequently... Serge's incident was a non incident because Serge has taken the time to learn proper riding techniques. This meant that when he was confronted with uneducated police officers he was able to address the issue properly and continue to ride as he has, positioning himself properly in the lane. So, rather than being a story about a cyclist tangling with a car because of improper lane positioning, it is an interesting story about Serge taking a moment to educate a couple of officers... So, yes it would be nice to train law enforcement officers. If the enforcers understood the importance of proper lane position and riding in a law abiding manner, they just might be more interested in enforcing the laws so that people on bicycles would be much more likely to abide by the rules of the road... But for my money, I think the first step give cyclists the tools they need to ride properly... Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080602/993bbe31/attachment.html From gcarman at san.rr.com Mon Jun 2 10:28:37 2008 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:28:37 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SD Police: "You need to be in the bike lane" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080602145220.TLLX21086.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com> I hope he does... and I hope Serge then fights that ticket all the way downtown... to the point that the police department has to "educate" their officers about cyclists' rights. At 06:52 AM 6/2/2008, John Eldon wrote: >The next time that particular officer sees Serge riding anywhere but >in the gutter, I fully expect him to issue a traffic citation for >"obstructing traffic." This is why we so desperately need to educate >law enforcement. > >John E. >-----Original Message----- >From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org >[mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of JonIsaacs at aol.com >Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:04 PM >To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org >Subject: Re: [SDCBC] SD Police: "You need to be in the bike lane" > > >Hello to all... Here's my thinking... > > >Educating cyclists is the most important thing we can due simply >because an educated cyclist has to the tools to ride safely in the >real world, the world where enforcers are confused and motorists are >not aware of proper etiquette in the presence of cyclists. > >Educating law enforcement as well as the general driving public is a >worthy dream but it does not give uneducated cyclists the tools to >ride in a safe and sane manner, they are still vulnerable because of >their ignorance. Currently motorists deal with cyclists from a >pragmatic viewpoint, they assume cyclists are going to run stop >signs and stoplights, ride the wrong way, do all the things we see >so frequently... > >Serge's incident was a non incident because Serge has taken the time >to learn proper riding techniques. This meant that when he was >confronted with uneducated police officers he was able to address >the issue properly and continue to ride as he has, positioning >himself properly in the lane. So, rather than being a story about a >cyclist tangling with a car because of improper lane positioning, it >is an interesting story about Serge taking a moment to educate a >couple of officers... > >So, yes it would be nice to train law enforcement officers. If the >enforcers understood the importance of proper lane position and >riding in a law abiding manner, they just might be more interested >in enforcing the laws so that people on bicycles would be much more >likely to abide by the rules of the road... But for my money, I >think the first step give cyclists the tools they need to ride properly... > >Jon > > > > > > > > >---------- >Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. >Watch >"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as gcarman at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do >not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080602/a5525e90/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Mon Jun 2 17:23:52 2008 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:23:52 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SD Police: "You need to be in the bike lane" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ec985b0806021423y194dea48xb340ee68cec8a5fb@mail.gmail.com> He didn't cite me this time, and I have no reason to believe he would do so next time. I didn't do what he suggested, and just kept riding the way I always do. When the light turned green, they followed along at my speed for a bit, then accelerated and left. If they weren't going to issue a traffic citation or even give me a strict warning then, I'm not sure why they would next time. I've been commuting along this route for eight years, and this is the first time I've ever had any kind of interaction with a police officer (except the arguably well-deserved time I ran a red light at night, after stopping and yielding, in order to catch up with another cyclist to let her know that her rear light was not operating). I think educating law enforcement couldn't hurt, and might help, but it is certainly not necessary in order to ride vehicularly in San Diego, and I sure don't see a need for it that is "desperate". Serge On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, John Eldon wrote: > The next time that particular officer sees Serge riding anywhere but in the > gutter, I fully expect him to issue a traffic citation for "obstructing > traffic." This is why we so desperately need to educate law enforcement. > > John E. From bikes.alot at cox.net Tue Jun 3 00:06:28 2008 From: bikes.alot at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Check out the League of American Bicyclists' Advocacy Center! Message-ID: <20080603040628.96A4DDD076@outbound.mailmanager.net> I just took action on an important bicycling issue, a monetary incentive to bike to work, and thought you might find it interesting too. Click on this URL to take action on bicycling issues now http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/2/?a=11438881&i=87533718&c= If your email program does not recognize the URL as a link, copy the entire URL and paste it into your Web browser. ------------------------------------- Powered by Capitol Advantage, LLC http://www.capitoladvantage.com "Connect and Be Counted" ------------------------------------- From tom_yager at cox.net Tue Jun 3 15:51:35 2008 From: tom_yager at cox.net (Tom Yager) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:51:35 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Car crashes into bike race In-Reply-To: <20080603040628.96A4DDD076@outbound.mailmanager.net> Message-ID: <20080603195017.OTEB647.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Check out this photo!!! http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/06/02/mexico.bikers.ap/index.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 16:07:52 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Car crashes into bike race In-Reply-To: <20080603195017.OTEB647.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <733797.71123.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for posting, Tom. I had heard about the tragedy on Bikeforums.net. Perhaps we should probably let the Mexican authorities deal with the motorist, instead of bringing him back to the U.S. for a small fine and wrist slap. --- On Tue, 6/3/08, Tom Yager <tom_yager at cox.net> wrote: From: Tom Yager <tom_yager at cox.net> Subject: [SDCBC] Car crashes into bike race To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 12:51 PM Check out this photo!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080603/298942a6/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Wed Jun 4 21:39:25 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:39:25 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Special Olympics proposed Cycle Tour Message-ID: <20080605014149.TBUR6602.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> FYI >Subject: Special Olympics proposed Cycle Tour >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:48:50 -0700 >From: "Loreena Garcia" >To: > >Special Olympics is hoping to plan a Route 66 Cycle Tour to benefit >Special Olympics and we are looking for interested parties that have >more experience in planning and attending cycle events. > >Any information/perspective you can give us, including a possible >route or companies that would be interested in sponsoring, as well >as those individuals who may be interested in attending such an >event would be most helpful. > >Special Olympics have a wonderful relationship with the community, >and we would like to branch out to as related organizations as possible. > >Thank you so much for your time! > >Loreena Garcia >Regional Program Coordinator >Special Olympics Southern California >San Gabriel Valley Regional Office >9 East Foothill Blvd. >Arcadia, CA 91006 >Phone: 626-462-0990 ext. 103 >Fax: 626-462-9784 > >visit us on the web: www.sosc.org! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I became curious about this some time ago and started a "google alert" that drops emails into my inbox with links to any story on the internet that has the words "bicyclist killed" The foremost result of this three year long study is, don't ride a bike in Florida. ? Scott Dion's Mobile Traffic Calming Service www.FraserCycles.com La Mesa, California (619)463-6857 (619)302-5947 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080605/f76fb108/attachment.html From scott at frasercycles.com Thu Jun 5 12:01:19 2008 From: scott at frasercycles.com (Fraser Cycles) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] What to do if you hit a bicyclist in the US Message-ID: <892380.81803.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, here not there: http://tinyurl.com/4pk6b2 ? 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080605/e66fbc2b/attachment.html From rduquete at 911law.com Thu Jun 5 12:19:47 2008 From: rduquete at 911law.com (Richard Duquette) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:19:47 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Suing a Drunk Driver Message-ID: <20080605161947.QAHZ23887.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@richard.911law.com> >Dear List Mates > >The recent bicycle photo of the Drunk Driver hitting the racers in >Mexico is tragic.Just a quick legal point, many auto policies would >cover such an event if within 150 miles of the border,even if you >are riding a bicycle and not in your car. > >Also, I will post two articles (one below & one momentarily) >relevant to the recent current events, the Mexico crash & the recent >guilty plea to the Solana Beach cyclists death.They are: "Suing a >Drunk Driver" and "Bicyclists rights in Court". > >These and other practical bicycling articles can be found on my web >site at www.911law.com > >Ride Safe, Ride Strong > >Richard Duquette >www.911law.com >Carlsbad >760-730-0500 > >> >> >>Suing a Drunk Driver: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>[] >>Recently I settled what initially looked like a small case for a >>triathlete/cyclist. We were fortunate to receive the defendant's >>full insurance policy limits. I believe this was because the >>defendant was convicted of drunk driving prior to my handling the >>civil case. I wanted to share my perception as to why the insurance >>company paid the full policy limits in this case. I think the >>insurance company ultimately realized that if they continued to >>litigate, they were exposing their insured to punitive damages and >>attorney's fees beyond the policy limits. Punitive damages are >>designed to punish and deter despicable and malicious conduct. For >>example, the defendant in our case drove with a .20 blood alcohol >>limit (that's the equivalent of 10 beers circulating in his system) >>when his car slammed into my client's vehicle. >> >>Normally punitive damages and attorney's fees are not applicable in >>an ordinary auto or bicycle personal injury case. In light of the >>defendant's conduct, and my deposition questioning exposing that he >>knew the effects each beer had on his behavior and his admission to >>the escalating effects of intoxication, I think his lawyer realized >>how angry a jury would react to this type of conduct. The punitive >>damage award would easily influence the overall value of the >>underlying general damages that normally flow from a garden variety >>auto/cyclist case. This became even more apparent, after I >>discovered during his deposition, that he had been warned years >>before of the effects of alcohol while in a 3-month alcohol program >>after sustaining a prior DUI conviction. This fact helped prove he >>knowingly choose to take a chance driving while appreciating the >>risks of driving drunk. >> >>Not all drinking rises to the level of a punitive damage case, even >>in an accident. However, in this particular case, the behavior was >>so outrageous that it warranted punitive damages. So in this soft >>tissue case, (which insurance companies ordinarily offer lowball >>settlements to injured cyclist/athletes, even when active >>lifestyles are affected) insurance paid the full policy limits of $15,000. >> >>So, the moral of the story is that each personal injury case is >>unique, and justice can be obtained from an insurance company when >>they are placed in the punitive damage/attorney fees "legal >>crosshairs". This is true especially while representing injured >>cyclists/athletes; who generally make excellent witnesses and >>testify very well in court as deserving claimants. > >Richard L. Duquette >Criminal Defense & >Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 >Carlsbad, CA >760-730-0500 >www.911law.com Richard L. Duquette Criminal Defense & Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since athletes are often >unfamiliar in a formal court setting, I?ve >decided to outline a brief list of your rights, >to help minimize your stress, anxiety and frustration. > >First of all, you have the right to be heard in >court. You can walk up to the podium and explain >your losses ? emotional and monetary. You can >even comment on sentencing of the defendant. >Knowing this, defense attorneys will often >cooperate with you early on in the case. Being >heard, or apologized to in open court is healing. (Penal Code ?1191.1) > >You also have the right to be notified by the >District Attorney and Probation Department (they >prosecute and compile factual history of loss ? >respectively) of the status of a court >proceeding, especially if you?re subpoenaed. (Penal Code ?679.02) > >You?re also entitled to the return of your >bicycle or other property which was needed as evidence. > >Moreover, you have the right to be informed by >the prosecutor of the final disposition of the >case and be provided with information concerning >the victim?s right to civil recovery. This >includes compensation from the State Restitution Fund. (Penal Code ?1191.2) > >What losses are compensable? > >See Penal Code ?1202.4 for a list of recoverable >economic damages (Note: This does not include >pain and suffering damages, which are recoverable in a personal injury case.) > >[] > Medical Bills > >[] > Lost Wages > >[] > Burial Costs > >[] > Damages to your bicycle and clothes > >[] > Attorney fees and interest generated to obtain > a recovery should the insurance > company delay settlement. (People v. Fulton (2003) 109 Cal App 4th 876) > >Once you obtain a Judges court order setting the >amount of restitution, promptly ask the court to >order the defendant to submit to an immediate >examination of his assets, (using Judicial >counsel form CR115). See Code of Civil Procedure >?708 110-205. Concealment of assets is an additional crime (Penal Code ?155.5). > >Remember, threats of bankruptcy are just that, >idle threats. Bankruptcy has no effect on the >courts restitution order. 11USC 523(a)(7) and sections1301-1330. > >Further, inability to pay restitution may not be >considered in determining the restitution order. > >You can now enforce the court order! > >A criminal restitution order is a civil >judgment. This is a lot quicker than civilly >litigating ? which can take over a year to win. >(Again, it must be emphasized this does not >include damages for pain and suffering.) Post >judgment collection tools like a writ of >execution apply. Another tool is wage >garnishment. (Penal Code ?1262.4 and ?1214(b). > >Watch out for the crossover between the civil >and criminal case. If you sign a civil >settlement release of liability, make sure to >exempt your criminal restitution rights. The >next question is whether the criminal defendant >should get a credit from the civil personal >injury settlement in order to offset the >criminal restitution order? There is a split of >legal opinions on this issue. Conversely, the >insurance company should not get credit for a >criminal restitution order, because the >rehabilitative and deterrent effect of the >criminal debt to society distinguishes the two >forms of civil and criminal relief. See in re: >Tommy A. (2005) 131 Cal App 4th 1580. > >The moral to this article is uplifting: > >Criminal cases emotionally tax the athlete >victim, but there is a silver lining in the >process because criminal cases usually resolve >in 100 days ? well before a civil case. The net >benefit to the victim of a criminal restitution >order is to promptly secure your rights. This >will often prompt the stubborn insurance >companies to quickly pay up .or subject their >insured to a criminal restitution order, >attorney fees and an empowered victim . Maybe >even jail, if the defendant can pay - but refuses. > >By way of example ? in one of my recent cases an >insurance company failed to promptly pay for the >damages caused by their drunk driver client ? >until a civil punitive damages motion was >granted at the same time a criminal restitution >hearing was set. With judgment day nearing on >two fronts (the civil and criminal courts), the >insurance company?s delay tactics finally caught >up with them and forced a premium settlement in >order to end the disastrous exposure to their insured driver. > >So, good guys and ladies can and do win ? with >the help of an experienced trial lawyer. > >Ride Safe ? Ride Strong! > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 >Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3158 (20080604) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > Richard L. Duquette Criminal Defense & Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080605/9281a116/attachment.html From rduquete at 911law.com Thu Jun 5 12:22:50 2008 From: rduquete at 911law.com (Richard Duquette) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:22:50 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclists Rights in Court Message-ID: <20080605162251.KHEM8238.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@richard.911law.com> >> >>Bicyclists Rights in Court >> >> >> >> >> >>[] > >>Bicyclists who fall victim to criminal conduct >>have the right to be heard and compensated. >>Most criminal defense attorneys would agree, >>victims of crimes should be fairly compensated >>for their losses. In fact, any seasoned defense >>attorney knows to work with victims to recover >>losses, in hopes of mitigating his client?s >>sentence and to demonstrate remorse. >> >>You are likely to end up in the criminal court >>if you or your family is the victim of a >>vehicular homicide, hit and run or hit by a >>drunk driver. Since athletes are often >>unfamiliar in a formal court setting, I?ve >>decided to outline a brief list of your rights, >>to help minimize your stress, anxiety and frustration. >> >>First of all, you have the right to be heard in >>court. You can walk up to the podium and >>explain your losses ? emotional and monetary. >>You can even comment on sentencing of the >>defendant. Knowing this, defense attorneys will >>often cooperate with you early on in the case. >>Being heard, or apologized to in open court is healing. (Penal Code ?1191.1) >> >>You also have the right to be notified by the >>District Attorney and Probation Department >>(they prosecute and compile factual history of >>loss ? respectively) of the status of a court >>proceeding, especially if you?re subpoenaed. (Penal Code ?679.02) >> >>You?re also entitled to the return of your >>bicycle or other property which was needed as evidence. >> >>Moreover, you have the right to be informed by >>the prosecutor of the final disposition of the >>case and be provided with information >>concerning the victim?s right to civil >>recovery. This includes compensation from the >>State Restitution Fund. (Penal Code ?1191.2) >> >>What losses are compensable? >> >>See Penal Code ?1202.4 for a list of >>recoverable economic damages (Note: This does >>not include pain and suffering damages, which >>are recoverable in a personal injury case.) >> >>[] >> Medical Bills >> >>[] >> Lost Wages >> >>[] >> Burial Costs >> >>[] >> Damages to your bicycle and clothes >> >>[] >> Attorney fees and interest generated to >> obtain a recovery should the insurance >> company delay settlement. (People v. Fulton (2003) 109 Cal App 4th 876) >> >>Once you obtain a Judges court order setting >>the amount of restitution, promptly ask the >>court to order the defendant to submit to an >>immediate examination of his assets, (using >>Judicial counsel form CR115). See Code of Civil >>Procedure ?708 110-205. Concealment of assets >>is an additional crime (Penal Code ?155.5). >> >>Remember, threats of bankruptcy are just that, >>idle threats. Bankruptcy has no effect on the >>courts restitution order. 11USC 523(a)(7) and sections1301-1330. >> >>Further, inability to pay restitution may not >>be considered in determining the restitution order. >> >>You can now enforce the court order! >> >>A criminal restitution order is a civil >>judgment. This is a lot quicker than civilly >>litigating ? which can take over a year to win. >>(Again, it must be emphasized this does not >>include damages for pain and suffering.) Post >>judgment collection tools like a writ of >>execution apply. Another tool is wage >>garnishment. (Penal Code ?1262.4 and ?1214(b). >> >>Watch out for the crossover between the civil >>and criminal case. If you sign a civil >>settlement release of liability, make sure to >>exempt your criminal restitution rights. The >>next question is whether the criminal defendant >>should get a credit from the civil personal >>injury settlement in order to offset the >>criminal restitution order? There is a split of >>legal opinions on this issue. Conversely, the >>insurance company should not get credit for a >>criminal restitution order, because the >>rehabilitative and deterrent effect of the >>criminal debt to society distinguishes the two >>forms of civil and criminal relief. See in re: >>Tommy A. (2005) 131 Cal App 4th 1580. >> >>The moral to this article is uplifting: >> >>Criminal cases emotionally tax the athlete >>victim, but there is a silver lining in the >>process because criminal cases usually resolve >>in 100 days ? well before a civil case. The net >>benefit to the victim of a criminal restitution >>order is to promptly secure your rights. This >>will often prompt the stubborn insurance >>companies to quickly pay up .or subject their >>insured to a criminal restitution order, >>attorney fees and an empowered victim . Maybe >>even jail, if the defendant can pay - but refuses. >> >>By way of example ? in one of my recent cases >>an insurance company failed to promptly pay for >>the damages caused by their drunk driver client >>? until a civil punitive damages motion was >>granted at the same time a criminal restitution >>hearing was set. With judgment day nearing on >>two fronts (the civil and criminal courts), the >>insurance company?s delay tactics finally >>caught up with them and forced a premium >>settlement in order to end the disastrous exposure to their insured driver. >> >>So, good guys and ladies can and do win ? with >>the help of an experienced trial lawyer. >> >>Ride Safe ? Ride Strong! >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 >>Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3158 (20080604) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >Richard L. Duquette >Criminal Defense & >Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 >Carlsbad, CA >760-730-0500 >www.911law.com Richard L. Duquette Criminal Defense & Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080605/0b16cb1a/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Thu Jun 5 13:44:24 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:44:24 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night Wednesday June 11th, 6:30 p.m. Message-ID: <004001c8c733$cc0f1860$642d4920$@org> Hello all, It's time for volunteer night! We'll be meeting at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive, San Diego, on Wednesday, June 11th, 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. to fold newsletters, swap stories, and eat some good food. I'll also be soliciting input on the regional bike plan and the San Diego bike plan update, along with the general gossiping about what's going on in the bicycle world. Hope to see you there! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080605/b8b3e621/attachment-0001.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Fri Jun 6 18:32:14 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:32:14 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Ride and Learn this weekend Message-ID: <003a01c8c825$2bcd7750$836865f0$@org> Once a month we offer a fun ride in a scenic part of San Diego County. Part learning experience, part coffee jaunt, these rides welcome all riders, but are geared for beginners. If you would like an introduction to road riding, riding in a group, or just a nice morning out with some fun bicyclists, this is a ride for you. The rides are typically 8-10 miles, flat, and we do it at a pace that encourages talking and interaction (somewhere around 8-12 mph average, depending on the group). We talk a lot, stop a lot, and usually eat or at least bring doughnuts, while getting information about riding in various situations. No registration required - just show up and ride! This month's Ride and Learn on Sunday, June 8th is one of my favorite rides. Please join us and feel free to invite friends, family, neighbors, co-workers....anyone who would enjoy a beautiful ride through scenic Pacific Beach and La Jolla while improving their riding skills and making new friends. :-) Pacific Beach/La Jolla: Meet at Mission Bay Visitor's Center at 9:00 for 9:15 ride start. A lovely ride through north Mission Bay, Pacific Beach, and La Jolla. Don't miss it! Ride and Learn is for EVERYONE. Pauline Callahan and Kathy Keehan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Baross made a grand entrance: http://www.efghmaps.com/temp/36398.jpg The three small bicycles were ridden by Frye, Faulconer and one other VIP for a short distance along the Promenade as part of the dedication ceremonies. Recreational bicyclists may want to ride on the new promenade, but through bicyclists will probably prefer the old path. -- Philip Erdelsky From rob_leone at earthlink.net Fri Jun 6 23:21:13 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:21:13 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Ride and Learn this weekend In-Reply-To: <003a01c8c825$2bcd7750$836865f0$@org> References: <003a01c8c825$2bcd7750$836865f0$@org> Message-ID: <4849FEA9.8080107@earthlink.net> Kathy Keehan wrote: > Once a month we offer a fun ride in a scenic part of San Diego County. > > Part learning experience, part coffee jaunt, SNIP So, where are we going for coffee? Robert "Yes, that's a cupholder on the handlebar" Leone From rob_leone at earthlink.net Mon Jun 9 22:02:24 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:02:24 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Tikit" folding bike reviewd. Message-ID: <484DE0B0.7020009@earthlink.net> Dear SDCBCers: Good evening. Those with access to large or specialty libraries might want to go there and see if they've gotten their June 2008 issue of "Mechanical Engineering" yet. There's a short article (page 48 and 49) titled "Origami Cycle" about the Bike Friday Tikit commuter bike. "Mechanical Engineering" is the monthly of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, so they don't shy away from sentences like "The Tikit's light weight and rapid folding ability target the biggest problem with integrating bicycles into intermodal transportatiuon: what to do with the bike when you have to transfer onto a bus, train or airplane." That's the lead sentence of the third paragraph. I chekced www.mechanicalengineering.org -- they're currently showing the May issue on the web site there. Robert Leone From rob_leone at earthlink.net Mon Jun 9 22:08:06 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:08:06 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bike lane obstruction grand prize winner. Message-ID: <484DE206.1080507@earthlink.net> Dear Sdcbcers: Good evening. As the Executive Director and the Newsletter Editor know all too well, I've a little hobby of photographing biek lane obstructions. This morning is was just a Time-Warner cable van on Nobel, no cones out but the sightlines were clear. On the way home, it's too bad I couldn't get a good angle and was a bit far away, but so far this is the grand rize winner. On Miramar Road, just east of the intersection with Nobel (a turn I strive to take wide so I can get a good look at what's in the first few hundred feet of the bike lane before I commit to riding in it, although I hasten here to note that's what I do, not necessarily the policy of the SDCBC) were parked, in order from about three yards east of the intersection on east, a Metropolitan Transit System supervisor's or traffic investigator's minivan, with the rear hatch open, a very large MTS mechanic's truck, with tires, liftgate, air and water hoses (not quite 18-wheeler, but definitely in the commercial vehicle class), a four door sedan ith a crushed rear bumper and one tow truck, soon joined by a rather larger tow truck. I'll not know for a while how the pictures turned out (I still hve to finish the roll), but adding to the luster of this grand prize contender is the busted down (but mostly out of the bike lane) transit bus I'd already passed at the intersection of Miramar and Camino Santa Fe. Robert Leone From rob_leone at earthlink.net Mon Jun 9 22:11:15 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:11:15 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] I utterred discouraging words to a potential commuter. Message-ID: <484DE2C3.6080309@earthlink.net> Dear SDCBCers: Hello! I uttered some discouraging words to a potential new commuter. One of my coworkers wanted some information about routes. Unfortunately, while he lives in Clairemont, we work on Miramar Road. His logical route includes Kearny Villa Road, whiich is a scary street. Aside from Genessee Avenue, which has more downs and ups and itself has some tough interchanges, is there any other, potentially safer bike travel way from Clairemont Mesa to the Miramar area? I also recommended www.511sd.com to him for bus information, but work is on the 31 route, which only runs on rush hours, and my colleague works irregular hours (some evenings). And, alas, we can't guarantee there'd be space on the bike racks of the busses for his bike. I did tell him about this great organization currently offering free cycling safety and law classes.... So when is the next Road One? Robert Leone From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Jun 10 00:15:56 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:15:56 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [sdbikekitchen] Bike Kitchen: Saturdays 9am to 1pm Message-ID: <002701c8cab0$ae27d500$0a777f00$@org> -----Original Message----- From: sdbikekitchen-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:sdbikekitchen-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of working_girl1912 at riseup.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:24 PM To: sdbikekitchen at lists.riseup.net; cityheightsfreeskool at lists.riseup.net Subject: [sdbikekitchen] Bike Kitchen: Saturdays 9am to 1pm Hi Bikers and friends, The City Heights Farmer's Market began last Saturday and the Bike Kitchen was there. We will be at the Farmer's Market every Saturday from 9am to 1pm continuing to provide the same assistance and resources. The Farmer's Market is on the corner of Wightman and Fairmont, just a block east from the Bike Kitchen. Currently, the Sunday services will be postponed until we have the volunteer resources to be open two days, 8 hours a week. We anticipate that the public venue of the market will provide more outreach to the community and also an opportunity for us to growth. Donations are still accepted at the 4246 Wightman St. address and this is also where our resources remain stored. We hope to see you all soon, come say hi, work on your bike, build a bike, help someone with theres....Every Saturday at the City Heights Farmer's Market from 9am to 1pm in City Heights on the corner of Wightman and Fairmont!!! MAD BIKE KITCHEN LOVE-- 619-528-8060 From trevorspoke at cox.net Tue Jun 10 03:45:08 2008 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (Trevor Bourget) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:45:08 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. In-Reply-To: <484DE2C3.6080309@earthlink.net> References: <484DE2C3.6080309@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080610074500.GAMG1247.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> At 07:11 PM 6/9/2008, Robert Leone wrote: >One of my coworkers wanted some information about routes. he lives >in Clairemont, we work on Miramar Road. I would definitely recommend Genesee Ave, which is a Road1 level route in my opinion. Kearny Villa Rd is a Road2 level route. The best solution is to offer to ride together to demonstrate the places where proactive behavior is useful. Let me know if you'd like me to do a ride-along with one or both of you. Afternoon ride home would be easier, but I'm not afraid to get up early if need be. >Kearny Villa Road, which is a scary street. Fear is a feeling that stems either from the unknown, or from apparent lack of power to influence. Knowledge and experience are the answer to the fear. If you still don't feel comfortable on KVR, certainly it wouldn't be ethical for you to encourage another to use the road without explaining how you feel about it. So don't feel guilty. Encourage your friend to use the bike for other trips, maybe eventually it would be possible to work up to commuting on the routes that would be uncomfortable to a beginner. -- Trevor From Rosemary.Braun at uboc.com Tue Jun 10 09:43:00 2008 From: Rosemary.Braun at uboc.com (Rosemary Braun) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:43:00 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] US Open In-Reply-To: <002701c8cab0$ae27d500$0a777f00$@org> References: <002701c8cab0$ae27d500$0a777f00$@org> Message-ID: <94626C76BDE3574686C36954B4A876B2018212EB@MPSC-EXMB03.uboc-ad.corp.uboc.com> Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US Open or in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? ****************************************************************************** This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this communication and/or shred the materials and any attachments and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. Thank you. From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Tue Jun 10 09:59:42 2008 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:59:42 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: US Open References: <9319BD9F-3D47-4E2A-9AEF-151199368D35@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <098862DC-8853-4257-9F8A-ED916BFE4899@san.rr.com> for info, to the list > From: Dave White > Date: June 10, 2008 6:56:39 AM PDT > To: "Rosemary Braun" > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] US Open > > I rode my bike to the Open yesterday. The designated bicycle > parking is at the US Open Limo, taxi, and passenger drop-off area - > signs direct you to Northpoint Dr, off N. Torrey Pines Rd, just > past the Genesee Ave intersection. This is a visitor entrance to > UCSD. There are a few fixed bike racks as part of the existing > parking complex. These are limited capacity and fill quickly. > From that point, you are left with chain-link fencing adjacent to > the p-lot. The general area is staffed all day with traffic > control personnel. Bike lock recommended. > > Once parked, you walk across N. Torrey Pines Rd and follow US Open > signs and paths through Glider Port property and to the main > tournament entrance. > > There are some bicycle detours in the area, one closed bike lane is > east of the I-5 on Genesee. I came south on I-5 from sorrento > valley, Genesee offramp and up the Genesee hill, then left on N. > Torrrey Pines, then first left on Northpoint. > > Dave White > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Rosemary Braun wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US >> Open or >> in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? >> >> ********************************************************************* >> ********* >> This communication (including any attachments) may contain >> privileged or >> confidential information intended for a specific individual and >> purpose, >> and is protected by law. 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080610/da5a7a2b/attachment.html From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net Tue Jun 10 10:11:21 2008 From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:11:21 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] US Open In-Reply-To: <94626C76BDE3574686C36954B4A876B2018212EB@MPSC-EXMB03.uboc-ad.corp.uboc.com> Message-ID: <20080610141108.ZEQH1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I do not know about bike parking. But I am interested to know if the 'No Parking' are gone from the bike lane southbound (up hill) on Torrey Pines. On Saturday, I rode from Mission Valley to Oceanside to see the start of RAAM for women. As I was descending down Torrey Pines hill around 9:15 AM, I noticed that there were stand-alone no parking signs in the bike lane every 100 feet or so, about 20 - 40 of them. These signs were randomly positioned in the bike lane, some to the left some to the right others in the middle. The only sensible way to get through this maze was by taking the motor vehicle lane, especially at the speed most cyclist descend this hill. In Del Mar, I called 911. The person taking my information properly called the situation obstacles in the traffic lane. While going through Solana Beach I received a follow up call for more information. When I returned south again around 2PM, all signs were to the far right against the curb. However the bike lane is still very narrow in places here, not wide enough for safe passage at speed. I stopped to talk with an officer in a black and white half way up the hill. He directed me to the station of the person in charge of traffic for the golf event. I visited the traffic control area and pled my case regarding the dangerous downhill signs. Then I pedaled back to Mission Valley. A friend who pedaled down the hill Sunday morning told me that the downhill signs were all off the pavement and away from the bike lane at that time. The uphill signs were still randomly placed in the bike lane as I climbed Torrey Pines grade at 2PM. I decided not to emphasize them on the weekend, concentrating on the more dangerous downhill ones first. Does anyone know the status of the uphill signs now? Darryl MacKenzie DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (619) 303-7316 -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Rosemary Braun Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:43 AM To: Kathy Keehan; SDCBC Mailing List Subject: [SDCBC] US Open Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US Open or in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? **************************************************************************** ** This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. 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On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Darryl MacKenzie wrote: > I do not know about bike parking. > > > > But I am interested to know if the 'No Parking' are gone from the > bike lane southbound (up hill) on Torrey Pines. > > > > On Saturday, I rode from Mission Valley to Oceanside to see the > start of RAAM for women. As I was descending down Torrey Pines hill > around 9:15 AM, I noticed that there were stand-alone no parking > signs in the bike lane every 100 feet or so, about 20 ? 40 of them. > These signs were randomly positioned in the bike lane, some to the > left some to the right others in the middle. The only sensible way > to get through this maze was by taking the motor vehicle lane, > especially at the speed most cyclist descend this hill. > > > > In Del Mar, I called 911. The person taking my information properly > called the situation obstacles in the traffic lane. While going > through Solana Beach I received a follow up call for more information. > > > > When I returned south again around 2PM, all signs were to the far > right against the curb. However the bike lane is still very narrow > in places here, not wide enough for safe passage at speed. > > > > I stopped to talk with an officer in a black and white half way up > the hill. He directed me to the station of the person in charge of > traffic for the golf event. > > > > I visited the traffic control area and pled my case regarding the > dangerous downhill signs. Then I pedaled back to Mission Valley. > > > > A friend who pedaled down the hill Sunday morning told me that the > downhill signs were all off the pavement and away from the bike > lane at that time. > > > > The uphill signs were still randomly placed in the bike lane as I > climbed Torrey Pines grade at 2PM. I decided not to emphasize them > on the weekend, concentrating on the more dangerous downhill ones > first. > > > > Does anyone know the status of the uphill signs now? > > > > Darryl MacKenzie > > DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net > > (619) 303-7316 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc- > bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Rosemary Braun > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:43 AM > To: Kathy Keehan; SDCBC Mailing List > Subject: [SDCBC] US Open > > > > Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US Open or > > in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? > > > > ********************************************************************** > ******** > > This communication (including any attachments) may contain > privileged or > > confidential information intended for a specific individual and > purpose, > > and is protected by law. 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Fwd: US Open (Dave White) > 2. Re: US Open (Darryl MacKenzie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:59:42 -0700 > From: Dave White > Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: US Open > To: Sdcbc > Message-ID: <098862DC-8853-4257-9F8A-ED916BFE4899 at san.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > for info, to the list > >> From: Dave White >> Date: June 10, 2008 6:56:39 AM PDT >> To: "Rosemary Braun" >> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] US Open >> >> I rode my bike to the Open yesterday. The designated bicycle >> parking is at the US Open Limo, taxi, and passenger drop-off area - >> signs direct you to Northpoint Dr, off N. Torrey Pines Rd, just >> past the Genesee Ave intersection. This is a visitor entrance to >> UCSD. There are a few fixed bike racks as part of the existing >> parking complex. These are limited capacity and fill quickly. >> From that point, you are left with chain-link fencing adjacent to >> the p-lot. The general area is staffed all day with traffic >> control personnel. Bike lock recommended. >> >> Once parked, you walk across N. Torrey Pines Rd and follow US Open >> signs and paths through Glider Port property and to the main >> tournament entrance. >> >> There are some bicycle detours in the area, one closed bike lane is >> east of the I-5 on Genesee. I came south on I-5 from sorrento >> valley, Genesee offramp and up the Genesee hill, then left on N. >> Torrrey Pines, then first left on Northpoint. >> >> Dave White >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Rosemary Braun wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US >>> Open or >>> in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? >>> >>> *** >>> ****************************************************************** >>> ********* >>> This communication (including any attachments) may contain >>> privileged or >>> confidential information intended for a specific individual and >>> purpose, >>> and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, >>> you should >>> delete this communication and/or shred the materials and any >>> attachments and >>> are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution >>> of this >>> communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is >>> strictly prohibited. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as dwhite7 at san.rr.com >>> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http:// >>> www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >>> List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman- >>> computing.org/aup >>> Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do >>> not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. >>> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e- >>> mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080610/da5a7a2b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:11:21 -0700 > From: "Darryl MacKenzie" > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] US Open > To: "'Rosemary Braun'" , "'Kathy Keehan'" > , "'SDCBC Mailing List'" > > Message-ID: > > <20080610141108.ZEQH1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net at fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I do not know about bike parking. > > > > But I am interested to know if the 'No Parking' are gone from the > bike lane > southbound (up hill) on Torrey Pines. > > > > On Saturday, I rode from Mission Valley to Oceanside to see the > start of > RAAM for women. As I was descending down Torrey Pines hill around > 9:15 AM, I > noticed that there were stand-alone no parking signs in the bike > lane every > 100 feet or so, about 20 - 40 of them. These signs were randomly > positioned > in the bike lane, some to the left some to the right others in the > middle. > The only sensible way to get through this maze was by taking the motor > vehicle lane, especially at the speed most cyclist descend this hill. > > > > In Del Mar, I called 911. The person taking my information properly > called > the situation obstacles in the traffic lane. While going through > Solana > Beach I received a follow up call for more information. > > > > When I returned south again around 2PM, all signs were to the far > right > against the curb. However the bike lane is still very narrow in > places here, > not wide enough for safe passage at speed. > > > > I stopped to talk with an officer in a black and white half way up > the hill. > He directed me to the station of the person in charge of traffic for > the > golf event. > > > > I visited the traffic control area and pled my case regarding the > dangerous > downhill signs. Then I pedaled back to Mission Valley. > > > > A friend who pedaled down the hill Sunday morning told me that the > downhill > signs were all off the pavement and away from the bike lane at that > time. > > > > The uphill signs were still randomly placed in the bike lane as I > climbed > Torrey Pines grade at 2PM. I decided not to emphasize them on the > weekend, > concentrating on the more dangerous downhill ones first. > > > > Does anyone know the status of the uphill signs now? > > > > Darryl MacKenzie > > DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net > > (619) 303-7316 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org > ] > On Behalf Of Rosemary Braun > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:43 AM > To: Kathy Keehan; SDCBC Mailing List > Subject: [SDCBC] US Open > > > > Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US Open or > > in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? > > > > *** > *** > ********************************************************************** > ** > > This communication (including any attachments) may contain > privileged or > > confidential information intended for a specific individual and > purpose, > > and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you > should > > delete this communication and/or shred the materials and any > attachments and > > are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of > this > > communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly > prohibited. > > > > Thank you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as > DarrylMacKenzie at cox.net > > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > > Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not > necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. > > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e- > mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > > __________ NOD32 3172 (20080610) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080610/67ed5906/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SDCBC mailing list > SDCBC at bikesandiego.org > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > > > End of SDCBC Digest, Vol 113, Issue 2 > ************************************* From cstuart at ucsd.edu Tue Jun 10 10:55:27 2008 From: cstuart at ucsd.edu (Christopher Stuart) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:55:27 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] US Open In-Reply-To: <20080610141108.ZEQH1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20080610141108.ZEQH1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <71679D19-8F67-45BF-8F34-22FFEBB5C72D@ucsd.edu> I rode down Torrey Pines Hill home from work yesterday and the signs were there, but had been moved to the far right and out of the way. Thanks for taking care of this Darryl! And actually, I'm glad the signs are there, otherwise we'd be dodging parked cars on the downhill. These golfers are nuts. I rode up through Torrey Pines this morning and the traffic was heavier than normal, but mostly the concern is from foot traffic--people not expecting a bicyclist. I had to swerve this morning to avoid people stepping out into the bike lane as they walked to the Open. So far, no major trouble, though the week is young. . . . On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Darryl MacKenzie wrote: > I do not know about bike parking. > > But I am interested to know if the 'No Parking' are gone from the > bike lane southbound (up hill) on Torrey Pines. > > Darryl MacKenzie > ----------------------------------- Chris Stuart, Editor Division of Biological Sciences University of California San Diego 2150B Bonner Hall La Jolla, CA 92093 Mail Stop 0368 (858) 534-3972 cstuart at ucsd.edu From bikes.alot at cox.net Tue Jun 10 12:36:42 2008 From: bikes.alot at cox.net (Bicyclist) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:36:42 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Tikit" folding bike reviewd. In-Reply-To: <484DE0B0.7020009@earthlink.net> References: <484DE0B0.7020009@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080610164048.RELM1247.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I unfolded, rode and folded one that belongs to a LAB friend... very cool. At 07:02 PM 6/9/2008, Robert Leone wrote: >Dear SDCBCers: > Good evening. Those with access to large or specialty > libraries might >want to go there and see if they've gotten their June 2008 issue of >"Mechanical Engineering" yet. There's a short article (page 48 and 49) >titled "Origami Cycle" about the Bike Friday Tikit commuter bike. > "Mechanical Engineering" is the monthly of the American Society of >Mechanical Engineers, so they don't shy away from sentences like "The >Tikit's light weight and rapid folding ability target the biggest >problem with integrating bicycles into intermodal transportatiuon: what >to do with the bike when you have to transfer onto a bus, train or >airplane." That's the lead sentence of the third paragraph. > I chekced www.mechanicalengineering.org -- they're currently showing >the May issue on the web site there. > >Robert Leone From serge at issakov.org Tue Jun 10 12:41:15 2008 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:41:15 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. In-Reply-To: <20080610074500.GAMG1247.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <484DE2C3.6080309@earthlink.net> <20080610074500.GAMG1247.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <69ec985b0806100941s473f092ah9b408b77fa133ca@mail.gmail.com> Trevor, I've only ridden on KV Rd a few times, and only on weekends. Would you consider it to be a Road2 level route if it were not for the southbound merge/diverge with traffic headed to 163? In other words, do you think the few other crossings with the freeway-like onramps/offramps are in and of themselves enough to make it a Road2 level route? I know that at least on weekends those other crossings are quite tame, and the only skill required is to remember to look back and yield if necessary before crossing. What I'm getting at is if KV Rd is a Road1 level route except for the 163 challenge, that challenge can be handled by staying in the bike lane and then crossing as a pedestrian during a gap. It's a hassle, but might be less of an inhibitor for some than the hills of Genesee... Serge On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Trevor Bourget wrote: > At 07:11 PM 6/9/2008, Robert Leone wrote: >>One of my coworkers wanted some information about routes. he lives >>in Clairemont, we work on Miramar Road. > > I would definitely recommend Genesee Ave, which is a Road1 level > route in my opinion. Kearny Villa Rd is a Road2 level route. > > The best solution is to offer to ride together to demonstrate the > places where proactive behavior is useful. Let me know if you'd like > me to do a ride-along with one or both of you. Afternoon ride home > would be easier, but I'm not afraid to get up early if need be. > >>Kearny Villa Road, which is a scary street. > > Fear is a feeling that stems either from the unknown, or from > apparent lack of power to influence. Knowledge and experience are the > answer to the fear. If you still don't feel comfortable on KVR, > certainly it wouldn't be ethical for you to encourage another to use > the road without explaining how you feel about it. So don't feel > guilty. Encourage your friend to use the bike for other trips, maybe > eventually it would be possible to work up to commuting on the routes > that would be uncomfortable to a beginner. > > -- Trevor > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. From serge at issakov.org Tue Jun 10 12:50:56 2008 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:50:56 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] clever high-gas/pro-biking cartoon Message-ID: <69ec985b0806100950q6450e237uc02fac2883739e4d@mail.gmail.com> http://www.cagle.com/working/080604/arial.gif Serge From serge at issakov.org Tue Jun 10 12:57:03 2008 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:57:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Tikit" folding bike reviewd. In-Reply-To: <484DE0B0.7020009@earthlink.net> References: <484DE0B0.7020009@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <69ec985b0806100957i64fe9620o27e0a481853a3e40@mail.gmail.com> I found this video on youtube showing how quickly the Tikit folds and unfolds. Very impressive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQscBxx7wLE Serge On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Robert Leone wrote: > Dear SDCBCers: > Good evening. Those with access to large or specialty libraries might > want to go there and see if they've gotten their June 2008 issue of > "Mechanical Engineering" yet. There's a short article (page 48 and 49) > titled "Origami Cycle" about the Bike Friday Tikit commuter bike. > "Mechanical Engineering" is the monthly of the American Society of > Mechanical Engineers, so they don't shy away from sentences like "The > Tikit's light weight and rapid folding ability target the biggest > problem with integrating bicycles into intermodal transportatiuon: what > to do with the bike when you have to transfer onto a bus, train or > airplane." That's the lead sentence of the third paragraph. > I chekced www.mechanicalengineering.org -- they're currently showing > the May issue on the web site there. > > Robert Leone > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. From thomas.treynolds at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 13:53:44 2008 From: thomas.treynolds at gmail.com (Thomas Reynolds) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:53:44 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0806100941s473f092ah9b408b77fa133ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <484DE2C3.6080309@earthlink.net> <20080610074500.GAMG1247.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <69ec985b0806100941s473f092ah9b408b77fa133ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <998c822f0806101053l7135b6f8p59c81ce19fbf0a3c@mail.gmail.com> FWIW, I ride Kearny Villa Road daily and don't consider it scary. I handle the 163 interchange almost the way Serge recommends, I take the bike lane up Harris Plant Rd and take it down to the end of the on-ramp while checking for a large gap in traffic. The keyword there is "large". Although the speed limit is 50, motorists are going 70 or so. At that speed cars come up quick. I also commute Montezuma Rd and handle that nasty interchange (where Tom Fudge had his accident) in the same manner. Tom thomas.treynolds at gmail.com On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Serge Issakov wrote: > Trevor, > > I've only ridden on KV Rd a few times, and only on weekends. Would > you consider it to be a Road2 level route if it were not for the > southbound merge/diverge with traffic headed to 163? In other words, > do you think the few other crossings with the freeway-like > onramps/offramps are in and of themselves enough to make it a Road2 > level route? I know that at least on weekends those other crossings > are quite tame, and the only skill required is to remember to look > back and yield if necessary before crossing. > > What I'm getting at is if KV Rd is a Road1 level route except for the > 163 challenge, that challenge can be handled by staying in the bike > lane and then crossing as a pedestrian during a gap. It's a hassle, > but might be less of an inhibitor for some than the hills of > Genesee... > > Serge > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Trevor Bourget wrote: >> At 07:11 PM 6/9/2008, Robert Leone wrote: >>>One of my coworkers wanted some information about routes. he lives >>>in Clairemont, we work on Miramar Road. >> >> I would definitely recommend Genesee Ave, which is a Road1 level >> route in my opinion. Kearny Villa Rd is a Road2 level route. >> >> The best solution is to offer to ride together to demonstrate the >> places where proactive behavior is useful. Let me know if you'd like >> me to do a ride-along with one or both of you. Afternoon ride home >> would be easier, but I'm not afraid to get up early if need be. >> >>>Kearny Villa Road, which is a scary street. >> >> Fear is a feeling that stems either from the unknown, or from >> apparent lack of power to influence. Knowledge and experience are the >> answer to the fear. If you still don't feel comfortable on KVR, >> certainly it wouldn't be ethical for you to encourage another to use >> the road without explaining how you feel about it. So don't feel >> guilty. Encourage your friend to use the bike for other trips, maybe >> eventually it would be possible to work up to commuting on the routes >> that would be uncomfortable to a beginner. >> >> -- Trevor >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org >> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >> List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >> Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. >> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org >> > > > > -- > NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared > by any organization in which I am involved. > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as thomas.treynolds at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Jun 10 15:07:48 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:07:48 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [apbp] OT: Obama goes for a bike ride Message-ID: <000c01c8cb2d$480c4670$d824d350$@org> -----Original Message----- From: John Z Wetmore [mailto:john at pedestrians.org] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:16 PM To: members at apbp.org Subject: [apbp] OT: Obama goes for a bike ride Obama went for a bike ride with his family over the weekend. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD9162UB80 John Z Wetmore john at pedestrians.org Producer of "Perils For Pedestrians" A television series on satellite, cable, and the Internet. www.pedestrians.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ***Watch the "Perils For Pedestrians" 5 hour marathon. ***Saturday, July 12. 7 PM to Midnight EDT, 4 PM to 9 PM PDT DISH Network 9411 - The Universityhouse Channel Tuesdays 9:30 PM Eastern / 8:30 Central / 7:30 Mountain / 6:30 Pacific ----------- Public Access Cable Stations: http://www.pedestrians.org/tv.htm ----------- Google Video: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22Perils+For+Pedestrians%22&so=1&site search=video.google.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Jun 10 15:07:49 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:07:49 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC Digest, Vol 113, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <0EB03134-A2DD-47D6-B946-5FAA80AE79C7@gmail.com> References: <0EB03134-A2DD-47D6-B946-5FAA80AE79C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01c8cb2d$49d398f0$dd7acad0$@org> Hi Gerry, Our next scheduled Road I classes are in Oceanside on July 12, 19, and 26th, or August 2, 9, and 16th. You can register through the City of Oceanside Park and Recreation website - http://recware.ci.oceanside.ca.us/registrationmain.sdi and scroll through to 'bicycling'. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Gerry de Ocampo Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:34 AM To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] SDCBC Digest, Vol 113, Issue 2 When is the next Road I class? ----------------------------- Gerry Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:12 AM, sdcbc-request at bikesandiego.org wrote: > Send SDCBC mailing list submissions to > sdcbc at bikesandiego.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sdcbc-request at bikesandiego.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sdcbc-owner at bikesandiego.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SDCBC digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: US Open (Dave White) > 2. Re: US Open (Darryl MacKenzie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:59:42 -0700 > From: Dave White > Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: US Open > To: Sdcbc > Message-ID: <098862DC-8853-4257-9F8A-ED916BFE4899 at san.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > for info, to the list > >> From: Dave White >> Date: June 10, 2008 6:56:39 AM PDT >> To: "Rosemary Braun" >> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] US Open >> >> I rode my bike to the Open yesterday. The designated bicycle >> parking is at the US Open Limo, taxi, and passenger drop-off area - >> signs direct you to Northpoint Dr, off N. Torrey Pines Rd, just >> past the Genesee Ave intersection. This is a visitor entrance to >> UCSD. There are a few fixed bike racks as part of the existing >> parking complex. These are limited capacity and fill quickly. >> From that point, you are left with chain-link fencing adjacent to >> the p-lot. The general area is staffed all day with traffic >> control personnel. Bike lock recommended. >> >> Once parked, you walk across N. Torrey Pines Rd and follow US Open >> signs and paths through Glider Port property and to the main >> tournament entrance. >> >> There are some bicycle detours in the area, one closed bike lane is >> east of the I-5 on Genesee. I came south on I-5 from sorrento >> valley, Genesee offramp and up the Genesee hill, then left on N. >> Torrrey Pines, then first left on Northpoint. >> >> Dave White >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Rosemary Braun wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US >>> Open or >>> in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? >>> >>> *** >>> ****************************************************************** >>> ********* >>> This communication (including any attachments) may contain >>> privileged or >>> confidential information intended for a specific individual and >>> purpose, >>> and is protected by law. 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As I was descending down Torrey Pines hill around > 9:15 AM, I > noticed that there were stand-alone no parking signs in the bike > lane every > 100 feet or so, about 20 - 40 of them. These signs were randomly > positioned > in the bike lane, some to the left some to the right others in the > middle. > The only sensible way to get through this maze was by taking the motor > vehicle lane, especially at the speed most cyclist descend this hill. > > > > In Del Mar, I called 911. The person taking my information properly > called > the situation obstacles in the traffic lane. While going through > Solana > Beach I received a follow up call for more information. > > > > When I returned south again around 2PM, all signs were to the far > right > against the curb. However the bike lane is still very narrow in > places here, > not wide enough for safe passage at speed. > > > > I stopped to talk with an officer in a black and white half way up > the hill. > He directed me to the station of the person in charge of traffic for > the > golf event. > > > > I visited the traffic control area and pled my case regarding the > dangerous > downhill signs. Then I pedaled back to Mission Valley. > > > > A friend who pedaled down the hill Sunday morning told me that the > downhill > signs were all off the pavement and away from the bike lane at that > time. > > > > The uphill signs were still randomly placed in the bike lane as I > climbed > Torrey Pines grade at 2PM. I decided not to emphasize them on the > weekend, > concentrating on the more dangerous downhill ones first. > > > > Does anyone know the status of the uphill signs now? > > > > Darryl MacKenzie > > DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net > > (619) 303-7316 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org > ] > On Behalf Of Rosemary Braun > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:43 AM > To: Kathy Keehan; SDCBC Mailing List > Subject: [SDCBC] US Open > > > > Does anyone know if there is any secure bike parking at the US Open or > > in the area within 1 to 1/2 miles away? > > > > *** > *** > ********************************************************************** > ** > > This communication (including any attachments) may contain > privileged or > > confidential information intended for a specific individual and > purpose, > > and is protected by law. 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For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Jun 10 15:31:10 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:31:10 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] sorry! should have trimmed that last message... In-Reply-To: <002d01c8cb2d$49d398f0$dd7acad0$@org> References: <0EB03134-A2DD-47D6-B946-5FAA80AE79C7@gmail.com> <002d01c8cb2d$49d398f0$dd7acad0$@org> Message-ID: <006601c8cb30$89a94620$9cfbd260$@org> I apologize to all those digest readers who have to wade through the stuff I should have cut off that last email. I hit send before trimming all the extra stuff off. Sorry!! Kathy From JimBaross at cox.net Tue Jun 10 13:28:01 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:28:01 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Ped mode strategy, was "Tikit" folding bike review(e)d. In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0806100957i64fe9620o27e0a481853a3e40@mail.gmail.co m> References: <484DE0B0.7020009@earthlink.net> <69ec985b0806100957i64fe9620o27e0a481853a3e40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080610195836.DVPV1276.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> The demonstrated quick shift to pedestrian mode reminded me of one of my fun strategies to get across lanes of busy arterial traffic from a cross street where arterial traffic is not controlled by traffic lights, stop or yield signs and there's no gap in sight. I get off the bike, become a pedestrian and walk (carefully and visibly) into the stream as an assertive pedestrian. Though sometimes grudgingly, motorists on the whole realize their responsibility to yield/stop for pedestrians... they have little if any responsibility to yield to someone on a bike, so it's important/valuable to clearly be walking, not astride the bike. I get across safely while those that had been waiting with me in their cars (or on their bikes) are left behind. I should remind/warn folks though that when the cross traffic has multiple lanes, extra care is needed when about to enter/cross that next lane; some motorists don't know they are supposed to stop in those situations and may continue without looking/yielding. Yikes! Jim (rolling and sometimes stepping) Baross At 09:57 AM 6/10/2008, Serge Issakov wrote: >I found this video on youtube showing how quickly the Tikit folds and >unfolds. Very impressive. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQscBxx7wLE > >Serge From JimBaross at cox.net Tue Jun 10 16:28:11 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:28:11 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June?? Who wants it? In-Reply-To: <8F6AFD8F-7B92-4874-9138-6563AA148CEE@ucsd.edu> References: <20080610164050.HFM4466.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <8F6AFD8F-7B92-4874-9138-6563AA148CEE@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <20080610202819.HXHY1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Kathy just posted info about scheduled classes in July and Aug. I'd whip up a class for June if there was enough interest - six student minimum or it wouldn't be free. The area/location would be in central San Diego/Normal Heights. I would have time for a Road 1 course with either schedule format below: 1) One Friday or Saturday evening, three+ hour PowerPoint, followed by one long day or two short afternoons of bicycling/workshop. or 2) Three 3-hour+ meetings, one Saturday afternoon June 14th, and two Sunday afternoons June 22 and 29th. You may call SDCBC or me to discuss options. Jim Baross San Diego, California 619-280-6908 Chair, SANDAG Bicycle Pedestrian Working Group Vice Chair, Calif. Bicycle Advisory Committee President, Calif. Association of Bicycle Organizations Board Member, Calif. Bicycle Coalition Spokesperson, San Diego County Bicycle Coalition League LCI Trainer & Effective Cycling Instructor #185 K-C Chair, Strategic Highway Safety Plan, #13 - Improve Bicycling Safety "Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on our public roads, just as does every other user. Nothing more is expected. Nothing less is acceptable." Jack R. Taylor "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles." John Forester "Same Roads Same Rules Same Rights" SDCBC "Roads are for people, not just for people in cars." Jim Baross "Bicycling is Personal Rapid Transit" (Who wrote that?) From Rosemary.Braun at uboc.com Tue Jun 10 16:48:13 2008 From: Rosemary.Braun at uboc.com (Rosemary Braun) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:48:13 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June?? Who wants it? In-Reply-To: <20080610202819.HXHY1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080610164050.HFM4466.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><8F6AFD8F-7B92-4874-9138-6563AA148CEE@ucsd.edu> <20080610202819.HXHY1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <94626C76BDE3574686C36954B4A876B20182149E@MPSC-EXMB03.uboc-ad.corp.uboc.com> I would sign up for 3 hours Friday 13 and a long Saturday the 14th if it were in San Diego not Oceanside. (and I might be able to get one other) -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Jim Baross Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:28 PM To: Chris Stuart; 'Gerry de Ocampo'; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June?? Who wants it? Kathy just posted info about scheduled classes in July and Aug. I'd whip up a class for June if there was enough interest - six student minimum or it wouldn't be free. The area/location would be in central San Diego/Normal Heights. I would have time for a Road 1 course with either schedule format below: 1) One Friday or Saturday evening, three+ hour PowerPoint, followed by one long day or two short afternoons of bicycling/workshop. or 2) Three 3-hour+ meetings, one Saturday afternoon June 14th, and two Sunday afternoons June 22 and 29th. You may call SDCBC or me to discuss options. Jim Baross San Diego, California 619-280-6908 Chair, SANDAG Bicycle Pedestrian Working Group Vice Chair, Calif. Bicycle Advisory Committee President, Calif. Association of Bicycle Organizations Board Member, Calif. Bicycle Coalition Spokesperson, San Diego County Bicycle Coalition League LCI Trainer & Effective Cycling Instructor #185 K-C Chair, Strategic Highway Safety Plan, #13 - Improve Bicycling Safety "Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on our public roads, just as does every other user. Nothing more is expected. Nothing less is acceptable." Jack R. Taylor "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles." John Forester "Same Roads Same Rules Same Rights" SDCBC "Roads are for people, not just for people in cars." Jim Baross "Bicycling is Personal Rapid Transit" (Who wrote that?) _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as Rosemary.Braun at uboc.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. 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From wondernerd at juno.com Tue Jun 10 22:12:02 2008 From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank Paiano) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:12:02 GMT Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [apbp] OT: Obama goes for a bike ride Message-ID: <20080610.191202.12639.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Somebody needs to adjust his seat post! -- "Kathy Keehan" wrote: Obama went for a bike ride with his family over the weekend. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD9162UB80 ____________________________________________________________ Save thousands on a Veterinary Program - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iigjlxmzLb6sHsOYNItnvwSxZpVI3gMWZn3fzLbx8BdPLvPFY/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080611/ac1b9b01/attachment.html From trevorspoke at cox.net Tue Jun 10 23:52:58 2008 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (Trevor Bourget) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:52:58 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0806100941s473f092ah9b408b77fa133ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <484DE2C3.6080309@earthlink.net> <20080610074500.GAMG1247.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <69ec985b0806100941s473f092ah9b408b77fa133ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I've only ridden on KV Rd a few times, and only on weekends. Would > you consider it to be a Road2 level route if it were not for the > southbound merge/diverge with traffic headed to 163? In other words, > do you think the few other crossings with the freeway-like > onramps/offramps are in and of themselves enough to make it a Road2 > level route? I know that at least on weekends those other crossings > are quite tame, and the only skill required is to remember to look > back and yield if necessary before crossing. These ramp crossings are quite wide, and so they are a danger if you don't either move left into the lane or stay far right and then take a 90-degree crosswalk-style crossing. I would agree with you that it's the freeway interchanges that make it more than a beginning bike user might be expected to be prepared for. The only proper way to deal with freeway-style union/divide and merge/diverge is to stay left of all non-through lanes. Most people would call the proper lane the "middle of the road". Lane splitting is, in my opinion, favorable to taking the lane. That is certainly not something I would expect the beginner to perform safely. > What I'm getting at is if KV Rd is a Road1 level route except for the > 163 challenge, that challenge can be handled by staying in the bike > lane and then crossing as a pedestrian during a gap. It's a hassle, > but might be less of an inhibitor for some than the hills of > Genesee... Hills are not an inhibitor to bicycling any more than punctured inner tubes. They are part of bicycling. Lately I choose my route because it has more hills, not less. The comparison between Genesee and KVR should be made based on complexity of staying out of trouble spots like the SR52 entrance/exit ramps on one versus the SR163 on the other. Genesee could also be considered more risky due to the higher number of intersections that are negotiated, but all in all it's a far better commute route. KVR is quite boring scenery, rather like riding on the moon. It has more debris. The bike lane surface is rough, resulting in less comfortable ride. It is windy, and noisy. However, the best method to choose the right bike route is the simple question: which way would you drive? In my experience, that is the best by bicycle also. It may take some time to become an expert at how to deal with the route, but in the end it is worth the investment. -- Trevor From gdeocampo at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 01:51:20 2008 From: gdeocampo at gmail.com (Gerry de Ocampo) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:51:20 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June?? Who wants it? In-Reply-To: <20080610202819.HXHY1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080610164050.HFM4466.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <8F6AFD8F-7B92-4874-9138-6563AA148CEE@ucsd.edu> <20080610202819.HXHY1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <28C2D70C-8569-4C8B-AA6F-5B647868B342@gmail.com> I'm interested, but I'll be out of town on Saturday, June 14th. Gerry On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Jim Baross wrote: > Kathy just posted info about scheduled classes in July and Aug. > > I'd whip up a class for June if there was enough interest - six > student minimum or it wouldn't be free. The area/location would be > in central San Diego/Normal Heights. > > I would have time for a Road 1 course with either schedule format > below: > > 1) One Friday or Saturday evening, three+ hour PowerPoint, followed > by one long day or two short afternoons of bicycling/workshop. > or > 2) Three 3-hour+ meetings, one Saturday afternoon June 14th, and two > Sunday afternoons June 22 and 29th. > > You may call SDCBC or me to discuss options. > > > Jim Baross > San Diego, California > 619-280-6908 > > Chair, SANDAG Bicycle Pedestrian Working Group > Vice Chair, Calif. Bicycle Advisory Committee > President, Calif. Association of Bicycle Organizations > Board Member, Calif. Bicycle Coalition > Spokesperson, San Diego County Bicycle Coalition > League LCI Trainer & Effective Cycling Instructor #185 K-C > Chair, Strategic Highway Safety Plan, #13 - Improve Bicycling Safety > > "Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on our public > roads, just as does every other user. > Nothing more is expected. Nothing less is acceptable." > Jack R. Taylor > > "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of > vehicles." > John Forester > > "Same Roads Same Rules Same Rights" > SDCBC > > "Roads are for people, not just for people in cars." > Jim Baross > > "Bicycling is Personal Rapid Transit" > (Who wrote that?) > -- Gerry de Ocampo ************************ ??? ????, ???? ? ?????, <>. From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 11 09:50:09 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <311984.16771.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I disagree, Trevor. There are numerous intersections with freeway-style free merges, diverges, or unions that I try to avoid by bike, but not necessarily by car. On the bike, I look for reasonable detours through quiet residential neighborhoods, so that I can use low-volume 25mph streets instead of 55mph prime arterials. With or perhaps even without the current construction along Genesee, I gladly bike the detour through UCSD. Example 1: w/b Mira Mesa Bl. @ I-805. By car: straight ahead in the leftmost through lane. By bike: turn right onto Vista Sorrento Parkway. Example 2: s/b Camino Del Mar (Highway 101) @ Jimmy Durante Bl. during fair or racing season. By car: straight ahead. By bike: turn right onto Coast Bl. Example 3: w/b Palomar Airport Rd. @ I-5 into the setting sun. By car: straight ahead in the leftmost through lane. By bike: detour to Poinsettia Av. if ultimately going south, or to Cannon Rd. if ultimately going north. John E. --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Trevor Bourget <trevorspoke at cox.net> wrote: However, the best method to choose the right bike route is the simple question: which way would you drive? In my experience, that is the best by bicycle also. It may take some time to become an expert at how to deal with the route, but in the end it is worth the investment. -- Trevor _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080611/5a0f26bb/attachment-0001.html From JimBaross at cox.net Wed Jun 11 11:49:48 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:49:48 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Route choices, was I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. In-Reply-To: <311984.16771.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <311984.16771.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080611154948.GPWB1607.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Route choice? I have been mulling some ideas about this.... seems like a personal decision to balance several - three? - categories of considerations. How's this look? Time - when the time available is limited a shorter/more direct route and/or more speed/exertion is more desirable... even sometimes precluding a bicycle trip choice (or justification for purchase of an expensive/light/fast bike and/or more training!). Alternatively, some riding may be meant for "just riding"/"killing time"/ just to be on the bike/cruising; the "route" could even be on zero - a stationary trainer. Effort/Exertion - willingness/desire/need for exertion is balanced against an increased necessity for expending energy when time to destination matters or terrain/hills, weather/wind, or carried weight are introduced/required on the chosen trip (desire for a 'workout" can justify using a heavy, slow or stationary bike or longer/harder routes to maximize exertion!). Some people choose routes to include hills or additional distance, right? Comfort - riding environment: difficult/dangerous traffic and/or "neighborhoods'" situations (often ameliorated by experience/training), scenery, weather, noise/air quality; and also the camaraderie of companion bicyclists, quality/comfort of the chosen/available bicycle (justifies acquisition of "cool" stuff - bikes and equipment/clothing). What am I missing? At 06:50 AM 6/11/2008, John Eldon wrote: >I disagree, Trevor. There are numerous intersections with >freeway-style free merges, diverges, or unions that I try to avoid >by bike, but not necessarily by car. On the bike, I look for >reasonable detours through quiet residential neighborhoods, so that >I can use low-volume 25mph streets instead of 55mph prime arterials. >With or perhaps even without the current construction along Genesee, >I gladly bike the detour through UCSD. - snip - >--- On Tue, 6/10/08, Trevor Bourget wrote: > >However, the best method to choose the right bike route is the simple > >question: which way would you drive? In my experience, that is the best by > >bicycle also. It may take some time to become an expert at how to deal > >with the route, but in the end it is worth the investment. > > >-- Trevor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are numerous intersections with freeway-style free merges, diverges, or unions that I try to avoid by bike, but not necessarily by car. On the bike, I look for reasonable detours through quiet residential neighborhoods, so that I can use low-volume 25mph streets instead of 55mph prime arterials. With or perhaps even without the current construction along Genesee, I gladly bike the detour through UCSD. > > Example 1: w/b Mira Mesa Bl. @ I-805. By car: straight ahead in the leftmost through lane. By bike: turn right onto Vista Sorrento Parkway. > > Example 2: s/b Camino Del Mar (Highway 101) @ Jimmy Durante Bl. during fair or racing season. By car: straight ahead. By bike: turn right onto Coast Bl. > > Example 3: w/b Palomar Airport Rd. @ I-5 into the setting sun. By car: straight ahead in the leftmost through lane. By bike: detour to Poinsettia Av. if ultimately going south, or to Cannon Rd. if ultimately going north. > > John E. > > --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Trevor Bourget wrote: > > However, the best method to choose the right bike route is the simple > question: which way would you drive? In my experience, that is the best by > bicycle also. It may take some time to become an expert at how to deal > with the route, but in the end it is worth the investment. > > -- Trevor > _______________________________________________ > -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 11 13:34:56 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0806110900j1d71a3fcuefdbe242657adaa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <657811.16762.qm@web52509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I consider myself an expert transportation cyclist, albeit a timid one. For me, a major part of being an expert is to be able to recognize risk and to figure out ways to reduce it. --- On Wed, 6/11/08, Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org> wrote: From: Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] I uttered discouraging words to a potential commuter. To: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Cc: "Sdcbc" <sdcbc at bikesandiego.org> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 9:00 AM A key sentence in Trevor's statement was, "It may take some time to become an expert at how to deal with the route, but in the end it is worth the investment." In each of these examples, have you taken the time to become an expert at how to deal with the route without using the alternative? Serge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080611/4dd1bf68/attachment.html From furth at ViewpointLearning.com Wed Jun 11 12:48:12 2008 From: furth at ViewpointLearning.com (Isabella Furth) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:48:12 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June In-Reply-To: Message-ID: June weekends are booked for me, but I'd be interested in Road 1 later in the summer. And Road 2 after that! I don't know if I am alone in finding the single weekend (Friday evening/weekend day[s]) format much easier to schedule than three consecutive Saturdays? Isabella > From: Jim Baross > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:28:11 -0700 > To: Chris Stuart , "'Gerry de Ocampo'" > , > Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June?? Who wants it? > > Kathy just posted info about scheduled classes in July and Aug. > > I'd whip up a class for June if there was enough interest - six > student minimum or it wouldn't be free. The area/location would be in > central San Diego/Normal Heights. > > I would have time for a Road 1 course with either schedule format below: > > 1) One Friday or Saturday evening, three+ hour PowerPoint, followed > by one long day or two short afternoons of bicycling/workshop. > or > 2) Three 3-hour+ meetings, one Saturday afternoon June 14th, and two > Sunday afternoons June 22 and 29th. > > You may call SDCBC or me to discuss options. -- Isabella Furth, Ph.D. Manager, Special Projects Viewpoint Learning, Inc. Office: (858) 551-2317 Direct/cell: (858) 337-7347 furth at viewpointlearning.com From jamie at baileygardiner.com Wed Jun 11 13:54:19 2008 From: jamie at baileygardiner.com (Jamie Ortiz) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:54:19 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B2AC56E-E40D-48E4-A658-04C64014257C@baileygardiner.com> I agree with you Isabella. I took the Friday night/Saturday morning class, which was a nice alternative to the three week class. And it was still a large commitment. I think most people have a tough time committing to that many weeks in a row of classes, especially during the summer. Personally, I'd love to see it in a two day, one weekend format. Or even a one-day, all-day format. Many of my coworkers would take this course, but our lives are too busy (unfortunately) to commit to three weekend days in a row. Something to consider. Jamie Ortiz Bailey Gardiner-A Moving Company dontdrinkthekoolaidblog.com 619-295-8232 x106 On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Isabella Furth wrote: > June weekends are booked for me, but I'd be interested in Road 1 > later in > the summer. And Road 2 after that! > > I don't know if I am alone in finding the single weekend (Friday > evening/weekend day[s]) format much easier to schedule than three > consecutive Saturdays? > > Isabella > > > >> From: Jim Baross >> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:28:11 -0700 >> To: Chris Stuart , "'Gerry de Ocampo'" >> , >> Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June?? Who wants it? >> >> Kathy just posted info about scheduled classes in July and Aug. >> >> I'd whip up a class for June if there was enough interest - six >> student minimum or it wouldn't be free. The area/location would be in >> central San Diego/Normal Heights. >> >> I would have time for a Road 1 course with either schedule format >> below: >> >> 1) One Friday or Saturday evening, three+ hour PowerPoint, followed >> by one long day or two short afternoons of bicycling/workshop. >> or >> 2) Three 3-hour+ meetings, one Saturday afternoon June 14th, and two >> Sunday afternoons June 22 and 29th. >> >> You may call SDCBC or me to discuss options. > > > -- > > Isabella Furth, Ph.D. > Manager, Special Projects > Viewpoint Learning, Inc. > > Office: (858) 551-2317 > Direct/cell: (858) 337-7347 > furth at viewpointlearning.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as > jamie at baileygardiner.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http:// > www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman- > computing.org/aup > Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do > not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e- > mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080611/e513b248/attachment-0001.html From cziegler at sandiego.edu Wed Jun 11 14:07:56 2008 From: cziegler at sandiego.edu (cziegler at sandiego.edu) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June Message-ID: <20080611110756.LFC63966@ms1.sandiego.edu> Yeah, that is my problem too since I often am working in the field on weekends. Carole ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:54:19 -0700 >From: Jamie Ortiz >Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June >To: Isabella Furth >Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org > > I agree with you Isabella. I took the Friday > night/Saturday morning class, which was a nice > alternative to the three week class. And it was > still a large commitment. > I think most people have a tough time committing to > that many weeks in a row of classes, especially > during the summer. Personally, I'd love to see it in > a two day, one weekend format. Or even a one-day, > all-day format.? > Many of my coworkers would take this course, but our > lives are too busy (unfortunately) to commit to > three weekend days in a row. > Something to consider. > Jamie Ortiz? > Bailey Gardiner-A Moving Company > dontdrinkthekoolaidblog.com > 619-295-8232 x106 > On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Isabella Furth wrote: > > June weekends are booked for me, but I'd be > interested in Road 1 later in > the summer. And Road 2 after that! > I don't know if I am alone in finding the single > weekend (Friday > evening/weekend day[s]) format much easier to > schedule than three > consecutive Saturdays? > Isabella > > From: Jim Baross > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:28:11 -0700 > To: Chris Stuart , "'Gerry de > Ocampo'" > , > Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June?? Who wants it? > Kathy just posted info about scheduled classes > in July and Aug. > I'd whip up a class for June if there was enough > interest - six > student minimum or it wouldn't be free. The > area/location would be in > central San Diego/Normal Heights. > I would have time for a Road 1 course with > either schedule format below: > 1) One Friday or Saturday evening, three+ hour > PowerPoint, followed > by one long day or two short afternoons of > bicycling/workshop. > or > 2) Three 3-hour+ meetings, one Saturday > afternoon June 14th, and two > Sunday afternoons June 22 and 29th. > You may call SDCBC or me to discuss options. > > --? > Isabella Furth, Ph.D. > Manager, Special Projects > Viewpoint Learning, Inc. > Office:? (858) 551-2317 > Direct/cell:? (858) 337-7347 > furth at viewpointlearning.com > _______________________________________________ > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as > jamie at baileygardiner.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > Opinions expressed here are those of the > individual poster and do not necessarily reflect > the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. > For help or to talk with someone other than the > mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org >________________ >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as cziegler at sandiego.edu >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >Opinions expressed here are those of the individual poster and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the SDCBC or it's Board. >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From neil0502 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 14:08:12 2008 From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Road 1 in June In-Reply-To: <0B2AC56E-E40D-48E4-A658-04C64014257C@baileygardiner.com> Message-ID: <460349.86343.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Or even a > one-day, > all-day format. I tend to like that one ... if it isn't information overload for the participants. I'd like to get my wife into the classes, but am fairly sure her preference would be fewer, longer days. From JimBaross at cox.net Wed Jun 11 15:38:54 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:38:54 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Time commitment? Re: Road 1 in June In-Reply-To: <0B2AC56E-E40D-48E4-A658-04C64014257C@baileygardiner.com> References: <0B2AC56E-E40D-48E4-A658-04C64014257C@baileygardiner.com> Message-ID: <20080611193849.HRFG1505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Unfortunately - we all have other things to do and the Road 1 course needs 9 hours to complete for most any group. I suppose LCIs might be able to get it all covered with less time for a very small group of already pretty competent folks - I charge $50 per hour. Call me if motivated for individual or very small group classes. Fortunately - the Road 1 course packs in A LOT of info and is focused on what that level of bicyclist NEEDS T