From JimBaross at cox.net Fri Feb 1 14:01:54 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:01:54 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicycling advocacy center service... Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080201105130.03bbc090@cox.net> Well, I may be the last to know, but I just found a neat service from the League of American Bicyclists; enter your zip code and get info about actions and to whom (Government officials) you could best direct them. A "Bike Advocacy Center." http://capwiz.com/lab/dbq/officials Jim Baross San Diego, California Chair, SANDAG Bicycle Pedestrian Working Group Vice Chair, Calif. Bicycle Advisory Committee President, Calif. Association of Bicycle Organizations Board Member, Calif. Bicycle Coalition Spokesperson, San Diego County Bicycle Coalition League LCI Trainer & Effective Cycling Instructor #185 K-C "Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on our public roads, just as does every other user. Nothing more is expected. Nothing less is acceptable." Jack R. Taylor "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles." John Forester "Same Roads Same Rules Same Rights" SDCBC "Roads are for people, not just for people in cars." Jim Baross From JimBaross at cox.net Sat Feb 2 02:14:30 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:14:30 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080201230511.037419e8@cox.net> Once in a while I hear complaints about this and haven't done anything about it. I'm not sure how much of an issue/problem it is, but the restriction certainly points out undesirable differences in treatment bicyclists get stuck with. To the extent that this is a problem in your area, that you care, can and want to do something to fix it, here are some ideas. Jim (rarely does the drive/bike/walkup window scene) Baross >From: John Cinatl >Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:10:20 -0800 > >Greeting All > >Here is additional info on the subject of bikes using drive thru facilities >at banks and fast food places. In most cases it appears that motorcycles >aren't prohibited - but bicycles and peds are!!!!! > >If we are truly into having bikes as a part of our overall solution to >congestion and air quality we need to get this scenario upgraded - >nationwide - insurance laws, health laws, etc.. > >JOHN >____________________________ >John F. Cinatl, Associate Transportation Planner >North Region & Bicycle Facilities Planning >Caltrans - District 6 - Fresno, CA >1352 West Olive Ave. (2nd. Floor) >Fresno, CA 93778 >(559) 444-2500 >FAX (559) 488-4088 >john_cinatl at dot.ca.gov > >"Caltrans Improves Mobility Across California - For Bicycles Too" > >----- Forwarded by John Cinatl/D06/Caltrans/CAGov on 02/01/2008 12:03 PM > > Wilsonhubbell at aol.com > > Subject > 02/01/2008 09:40 [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists > AM at drive-up windows? > >Fellow Bikies, > >I've been checking with other cities and counties regarding cyclists being >refused service at drive up windows. The best and most complete response >came from Dan Bergenthal in Salt Lake City. The following is what he had >to say. > >Wilson > >In a message dated 2/1/2008 8:56:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >Dan.Bergenthal at slcgov.com writes: > > > Wilson, > > Following up on a complaint last spring from a bicyclist being denied > service at a Wendy's here in Salt Lake City we discovered that the > insurance issue is real. Here is an excerpt from an email I received from > the person I was working with in our City Attorney''s office: > The city's insurance broker has contacted several major insurance > companies and has heard back from four of them. Two of them stated that > they would cancel or refuse to renew policies for businesses required to > let bikes and peds through drive-throughs. The other two said that they > would not cancel but would increase their premiums 10-20% if required to > cover bikes/ped drive-through access. > > The solution to this problem is to have your state pass legislation to > limit the liability of the businesses with drive-through facilities and to > then require them to allow bicyclists to use their drive-through > facilities. Last year the state of Maine past a law to do this very > thing. Here is the wording: > > Liability related to a bicyclist using a drive-up window > > 1. Limited liability. An establishment that has a drive-up window is > not liable for personal injury, property damage or death caused to a > bicyclist that uses that establishment's drive-up window. > > 2. Limitations. This section does not limit any liability that may > otherwise exist for willful or malicious actions or failures to guard or > warn against a known dangerous condition related to the use of the > drive-up window. > > 3. No duty created. Nothing in this section creates a duty of care or > ground for liability > > 4. Costs and fees. The court may award any direct legal costs, > including reasonable attorney's fees, to an establishment that is found > not to be liable for injury to a bicyclist pursuant to this section. > > 9. Drive-up window. A bicyclist may use a drive-up window at any > establishment that has a drive-up window, including, but not limited to, a > bank, restaurant, pharmacy or automated teller machine. > > Here are some links concerning Maine's new law: > http://www.bikemaine.org/ld1808_about.htm > > http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMakerWeb/summary.asp?LD=1808&SessionID=7 > > I have been speaking with the Utah Bicycle Coalition and we hope to do > something similar here in Utah. Palo Alto, California took a different > approach. They have a zoning ordinance which requires a conditional use > permit for drive-in services within certain zones. The text is as > follows: > > Section 18.43.040 Conditional Uses (typical excerpt) The following uses > may be conditionally allowed in the CC district subject to the issuance of > a conditional use permit in accord with Chapter 18.90: > > (e) Drive-in services or take-out services associated with permitted uses, > so long as drive-up facilities, excluding carwashes, provide full access > to pedestrians and bicyclists. A maximum of two such services shall be > permitted within 304.8 (1,000 feet) and each use shall not be less than > 45.7 meters (150 feet) from one another. > > Dan Bergenthal, P.E. > Salt Lake City Transportation Division > 349 South 200 East, Suite 450 > P.O. Box 145502 > Salt Lake City, UT 84114-5502 > 801-535-7106 > From: members-bounces at apbp.org [mailto:members-bounces at apbp.org] On Behalf > Of Wilsonhubbell at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:11 PM > To: members at apbp.org > Subject: [apbp] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? > Colleagues, > > We've had a number of bicyclists refused service at drive up windows for > fast food restaurants, banks and other local establishments. This is a > problem because some businesses are closed to walk in customers at certain > hours and only provide drive up service during those times. > > The reasons for refusal include "our insurance won't allow us" and "the > health department says we can't", yet motorcyclists don't seem to > encounter the same problem. Have any of you encountered a similar issue > and, if so, how was it handled? > > Thanks, > Wilson Hubbell > County of Santa Barbara From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 2 08:19:09 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 05:19:09 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] [CABO] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? In-Reply-To: <2017504601-1463792638-1201936474@boing.topica.com> Message-ID: This rarely affects me personally, because I tend to eschew fast food restaurants and almost never need to go to a bank in person, but the principle of permitting only motorists to enjoy extended hours of operation is dead wrong. I think Palo Alto has an eminently reasonable response, and I urge each of us to speak up in his or her own city about adopting a similar provision. Since I do a lot of walking and jogging, I particularly like the suggestion that both pedestrians and bicyclists be granted access to "driveup" windows. An even better solution would be to ban all drive-through/up windows and to encourage businesses to replace them with walk-up facilities. This would instantly solve the entire problem. John E. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Baross, Jr. [mailto:jimbaross at cox.net] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:15 PM To: caboforum at topica.com Cc: CBC at topica.com; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: [CABO] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? Once in a while I hear complaints about this and haven't done anything about it. I'm not sure how much of an issue/problem it is, but the restriction certainly points out undesirable differences in treatment bicyclists get stuck with. To the extent that this is a problem in your area, that you care, can and want to do something to fix it, here are some ideas. Jim (rarely does the drive/bike/walkup window scene) Baross From rob_leone at earthlink.net Sat Feb 2 08:58:41 2008 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:58:41 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] [CABO] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A47711.4050304@earthlink.net> Dear All: I think I've finally got the baristas at the Miramar Road Starbucks "trained." But there I "take the lane" in the drive thru. On the other hand, Miramar's drive thru has great sightlines as it curves around the building. Lake Murray area's drive thru starbucks has a sharp 90 degree turn which a) hides the bike or any other vehicle/device/person and b) seems to encourage NASCAR style driving, right down to the left turn. I should note here holding a hot coffee or double espresso in hand while riding relatively rough pavement (or railraod tracks!) is just asking for a scalding (and please don't bring up the "profit" lawsuit thing, Stella Lebeck's suit in the famous case we've all heard of and gotten wrong was based on McD consistantly serving their coffee at a good 20 degrees or so above the restaurant industry standard, and the huge jury award came about because McD's legal council came across like jerks) -- which is why one of my bikes has a cup holder on the handlebars. Even that isn't perfect, but it is manageable. When traveling without a cup holder on the bike, I get an espresso and drink it down right there. Robert Leone From wondernerd at juno.com Sat Feb 2 09:29:13 2008 From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank Paiano) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:29:13 GMT Subject: [SDCBC] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up window s? Message-ID: <20080202.062913.26613.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> One possible solution is to get a recumbent such as Easy Racer or Rans Stratus that looks like a motorcycle. By the time the drive-up teller in the bank figures out that I'm actually on a bicycle and not a motorcycle, the transaction is usually over. Did I mention they are faster, more comfortable, and safer than diamond frames? (Sorry, couldn't help myself...) . . . _____________________________________________________________ Warm up to the idea. Click now for a new stove! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifxSA5qiFL2Ov0PSajE33oVLKrQONgDJheJY0gtrNGhGgnDM/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By the time the drive-up teller > in the bank figures out that I'm actually on a bicycle and not a > motorcycle, the transaction is usually over. > > Did I mention they are faster, more comfortable, and safer than > diamond frames? > > (Sorry, couldn't help myself...) > > ? > > . > . > . > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Warm up to the idea. Click now for a new stove! > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as dwhite7 at san.rr.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So meanwhile this news comes out: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20080202-9999-1b2kilroy.html Kilroy Realty of Los Angeles paid nearly $88 million for 23 acres of bare land at the southwest corner of Del Mar Heights Road and El Camino Real. The image http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/200802 Anybody recognize the proximity to the "sensitive land?" I think the only thing "sensitive" here is the developer's pocket book... 88 million, eh... I wonder if we can get them to devote a mere 50 thousand for a bit of bike path connection? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080202/f39a15f4/attachment.html From markw at wolfenet.org Sat Feb 2 16:03:28 2008 From: markw at wolfenet.org (markw) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:03:28 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] [CABO] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A4DAA0.9030303@wolfenet.org> Why don't we just let government run the business?? If the market dictates bicycle ride through, then businesses will provide. If it's just taking advantage of extended hours, I'm sure most businesses will be more than happy to take your money. If a business doesn't want your money, then go to their competition. There's enough restrictions on how you do business, especially in the PRK. Besides, I can't use extended hours on my bike because the pedal reflector thing makes it illegal for me to ride at night. :) Mark John Eldon wrote: > An even better solution would be to ban all drive-through/up windows and to > encourage businesses to replace them with walk-up facilities. This would > instantly solve the entire problem. > > John E. From markw at wolfenet.org Sat Feb 2 16:06:55 2008 From: markw at wolfenet.org (markw) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:06:55 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] looking for tandems In-Reply-To: <45f3a2cce9a766449863632739abcbd6@san.rr.com> References: <20080202.062913.26613.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <45f3a2cce9a766449863632739abcbd6@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <47A4DB6F.8090104@wolfenet.org> Look on BROL. http://www.bentrideronline.com Mark Dave White wrote: > All - Speaking of 'bents, do you know where we might find an > "underutilized" recumbent tandem? We have started a Blind Stokers Club > and have 9 teams, and need a recumbent tandem for one of the teams. We > are training the teams up for the 3-day Cycling for Sight tour from > Santa Barbara to San Diego in August. > Please refer any tandem resources to us. > Dave White > > On Feb 2, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Frank Paiano wrote: > >> One possible solution is to get a recumbent such as Easy Racer or Rans >> Stratus that looks like a motorcycle. By the time the drive-up teller >> in the bank figures out that I'm actually on a bicycle and not a >> motorcycle, the transaction is usually over. >> >> Did I mention they are faster, more comfortable, and safer than >> diamond frames? >> >> (Sorry, couldn't help myself...) From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 2 21:35:26 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:35:26 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] [CABO] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? In-Reply-To: <47A4DAA0.9030303@wolfenet.org> Message-ID: I probably don't trust government any more than you do, Mark, but I find it extremely frustrating that any food emporium or financial institution would provide the highly valuable convenience of extended service hours only to those customers who arrive via motor vehicle. I live an easy and pleasant 2 km walk or bike ride from my local Wendy's, which boasts about being open until midnight, but only for those who drive up. Why encourage people to drive at times they can easily walk or bike? John E. -----Original Message----- From: markw [mailto:markw at wolfenet.org] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:03 PM To: John Eldon Cc: jimbaross at cox.net; caboforum at topica.com; CBC at topica.com; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] [CABO] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? Why don't we just let government run the business?? If the market dictates bicycle ride through, then businesses will provide. If it's just taking advantage of extended hours, I'm sure most businesses will be more than happy to take your money. If a business doesn't want your money, then go to their competition. There's enough restrictions on how you do business, especially in the PRK. Mark From cleath at j9k.org Sun Feb 3 02:24:59 2008 From: cleath at j9k.org (Colin Leath) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:24:59 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Mapping Carfree Casualties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I've put together a demo site about how we might be able to easily keep a map/ construct a memorial of people hit by motor vehicles. I doubt the way I've set things up there is the best way to do it. But I think this is something that needs to happen. Imagine if all the worldwide fatalities and injuries were mapped and labelled and just kept piling up--and if you could zoom in on any area and find the stories about the people killed or injured there. The casualty reported on the biketour list-- in addition to happening to walk by two hit pedestrians laying in the street in two days -- a year of reading about pedestrian deaths in the local paper and doing nothing about them -- and the violence we all live in being near car drivers -- and being hit myself -- pushed me to do this. Please help me figure out something more workable than the current approach. 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080203/5af97e52/attachment.html From forester at johnforester.com Sun Feb 3 13:32:41 2008 From: forester at johnforester.com (John Forester) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:32:41 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] [CABO] Fw: [sbbike] Restrictions on bicyclists at drive-up windows? In-Reply-To: References: <47A4DAA0.9030303@wolfenet.org> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080203101544.02e35a48@johnforester.com> I don't use drive-up windows at all, but I have observed their operation when purchasing through other routes. I see no reason to suppose that serving a customer walking in or bicycling in would be any different from serving a motorist, four-wheeled or two-wheeled. There might be a supposition that the single operator would buy less than one who might be buying for more than one person, but that seems insufficient to exclude the business. From what Eldon wrote, it appears that some operations conduct drive-in business after closing the inside business for the day. In that case, it is certain that such businesses would lose all the walk-in business in any case. So I think that the problem is not one of efficient operation of the business. I suggest that, except for the after-inside-hours situation, walk-in business is irrelevant; the pedestrian can walk in the front door as easily as to the drive-in window. Bicycle business is different, unless the business owner wants to allow bicycles inside his store, difficult I think in many fast-food businesses that don't cater to shopping-cart traffic. So what's the problem? Obvious, I think. The business owners recognize just how dangerous bicycle traffic is, when conducted in the same lanes as motor traffic. Those irresponsible bicycle riders must be controlled and kept in their place lest they irritate and drive away the profitable motoring customers and drive up the insurance rates to unpayable heights. After all, that's precisely the basis for society's program for bicycle transportation; it is unreasonable to expect the owners and managers of Easy-In/Easy-Out/Speedy Foods to think otherwise. I harp on this theme, but that emphasis fits the situation. John Forester, MS, PE Bicycle Transportation Engineer 7585 Church St. Lemon Grove, CA 91945-2306 619-644-5481 www.johnforester.com From aforkosh at mac.com Sun Feb 3 14:33:32 2008 From: aforkosh at mac.com (Alan Forkosh) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:33:32 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] [CABO] Bicycling advocacy center service... In-Reply-To: <1625544804-1463792126-1201892518@boing.topica.com> References: <1625544804-1463792126-1201892518@boing.topica.com> Message-ID: Be careful using this for legislative districts if you live near a boundary. I live 1/2 block from the line between Assembly districts. and this tool placed me in the wrong one. For the California legislature, use http://www.legislature.ca.gov/legislators_and_districts/districts/districts.html and search by address. Note to confirm that result, I actually needed to access the committee report from 2001 of the redistricting bill and then select a map of each of the possible districts (several sized possible). This was the only place that the boundary streets were easily visible. I assume that you might need to use a similar process for other subdivisions. Alan Forkosh Oakland, CA aforkosh at mac.com On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Jim Baross, Jr. wrote: > > Well, I may be the last to know, but I just found a neat service > from the League of American Bicyclists; enter your zip code and get > info about actions and to whom (Government officials) you could best > direct them. A "Bike Advocacy Center." > > http://capwiz.com/lab/dbq/officials > > > Jim Baross > San Diego, California > > Chair, SANDAG Bicycle Pedestrian Working Group > Vice Chair, Calif. Bicycle Advisory Committee > President, Calif. Association of Bicycle Organizations > Board Member, Calif. Bicycle Coalition > Spokesperson, San Diego County Bicycle Coalition > League LCI Trainer & Effective Cycling Instructor #185 K-C > > "Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on our public > roads, just as does every other user. > Nothing more is expected. Nothing less is acceptable." > Jack R. Taylor > > "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of > vehicles." > John Forester > > "Same Roads Same Rules Same Rights" > SDCBC > > "Roads are for people, not just for people in cars." > Jim Baross > > --^---------------------------------------------------------------- > This email was sent to: aforkosh at mac.com > > EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiBu.aVG9lC.YWZvcmtv > Or send an email to: caboforum-unsubscribe at topica.com > > For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: > http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER > --^---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From tom_yager at cox.net Sun Feb 3 23:44:16 2008 From: tom_yager at cox.net (Tom Yager) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:44:16 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one In-Reply-To: <47A4DB6F.8090104@wolfenet.org> Message-ID: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I was riding with the North County Cycle Club on Saturday. About 15-20 of us were nearly finished with our 50 mile ride, riding in the bike lane in a pace line. We were on Twin Oaks Rd in San Marcos. I then heard honking coming from behind, and a large GMC van swerved into the bike lane trying to hit us while honking. He then pulled in front of us (parking lane, right of the bike lane), opened his door, and grabbed one of the cyclists. Another cyclist behind him could not stop fast enough and wiped out. The motorist started to drive away, but we yelled that we have his license, and it would be a hit and run. Someone called 911 (interesting, but no-one could get 911 on a cell phone), and a fire truck, ambulance, and several police showed up. The injured cyclist was taken away by ambulance (looked like some minor scrapes, possible broken bones, maybe more). We all gave statements to the police, and there were several other witnesses as well. When we left, the police were giving the driver a sobriety test. Not a pleasant scene..... From wondernerd at juno.com Mon Feb 4 01:43:58 2008 From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank Paiano) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:43:58 GMT Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Drive'SDCBC'" r Tries to H it Bicycle Group - Got one Message-ID: <20080203.224358.2668.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> I can't believe the ruffian was not immediately arrested and charged with assault! Oh, it was only a cyclist he attacked. That explains it. -- "Tom Yager" wrote: I was riding with the North County Cycle Club on Saturday. About 15-20 of us were nearly finished with our 50 mile ride, riding in the bike lane in a pace line. We were on Twin Oaks Rd in San Marcos. I then heard honking coming from behind, and a large GMC van swerved into the bike lane trying to hit us while honking. He then pulled in front of us (parking lane, right of the bike lane), opened his door, and grabbed one of the cyclists. Another cyclist behind him could not stop fast enough and wiped out. The motorist started to drive away, but we yelled that we have his license, and it would be a hit and run. Someone called 911 (interesting, but no-one could get 911 on a cell phone), and a fire truck, ambulance, and several police showed up. The injured cyclist was taken away by ambulance (looked like some minor scrapes, possible broken bones, maybe more). We all gave statements to the police, and there were several other witnesses as well. When we left, the police were giving the driver a sobriety test. Not a pleasant scene..... _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as wondernerd at juno.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org _____________________________________________________________ Do something nice for your skin. Click now for great skin care products! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieqWu72GFMALGZTAfLCsPv99FWHx0fDbVxkj7LD8o4jckpXs/ From execdir at sdcbc.org Mon Feb 4 18:04:52 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:04:52 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night this Wednesday, Feb 6th! Message-ID: <007901c86782$598c8590$0ca590b0$@org> New night! We're having volunteer night on Wednesday, February 6th. 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive. We'll be folding newsletters and eating good food, so we hope to see you there! Kathy P.S. For those of you keeping track, this month's volunteer night is on the first Wednesday, due to a schedule conflict. Next month we'll revert to our usual second Wednesday of the month. ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/c70ce6d9/attachment-0001.html From tvandaelen at accelrys.com Mon Feb 4 18:19:22 2008 From: tvandaelen at accelrys.com (Ton Van Daelen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:19:22 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Ride safely: No on 94-95-96-97 Message-ID: Hi all - YES, this is bicycling-related. Every new slot machine adds an average of ten round trips to the casinos for gamblers, workers, and other casino related business. If these casinos were in the city I wouldnt care, but you have seen the traffic on route 76, 78/79 past Santa Ysabel, old highway 80, Lake Wohlford. Mostly narrow roads, increasingly filled with cars driven by 90 year olds. Do we really want to see another 30 story hotel at the foot of Mount Palomar??? Thanks for listening... Ton van Daelen ps. also read this for other reasons this is a bad idea: "Overturn expansion of Indian gaming": http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071220/news_lz2e20letters.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/5e7ee29b/attachment.html From thomas.treynolds at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 18:48:25 2008 From: thomas.treynolds at gmail.com (Thomas Reynolds) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:48:25 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Ride safely: No on 94-95-96-97 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <998c822f0802041548l6103d6e4rd106052f41cc290b@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 4, 2008 3:19 PM, Ton Van Daelen wrote: > > .................. but you > have seen the traffic on route 76, 78/79 past Santa Ysabel, old highway 80, > Lake Wohlford. Mostly narrow roads, increasingly filled with cars driven by > 90 year olds. Do we really want to see another 30 story hotel at the foot of > Mount Palomar??? > I understand your point. However I want to point out that the only casino in SD county that these propositions relate to is Sycuan, which is a long way from Santa Ysabel and Mt. Palomar. I don't know of a polite way to say this - political discussion benefits society when it is centered on facts, not hype. By the way, I live near Sycuan and cycle through Dehesa all the time, right past the Casino entrance. Respectfully submitted, Tom From tlettington at san.rr.com Mon Feb 4 18:56:53 2008 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:56:53 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Sheldon Brown Message-ID: <20080204235641.ZCUO22052.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@amd.san.rr.com> Sad news today. Sheldon Brown died yesterday of a massive heart attack. :-( As many of you know, he has been suffering for some time with MS and life has been very difficult. He made so many amazing contributions to the world of cycling over the years. He'll be sorely missed. His famous web site will now be static, but no doubt will contribute an astounding volume of valuable information for a long time to come. - Tom From JonIsaacs at aol.com Mon Feb 4 19:34:35 2008 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:34:35 EST Subject: [SDCBC] Sheldon Brown Message-ID: In a message dated 2/4/2008 3:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, tlettington at san.rr.com writes: > Sad news today. Sheldon Brown died yesterday of a massive heart > attack. :-( As many of you know, he has been suffering for some time > with MS and life has been very difficult. > > He made so many amazing contributions to the world of cycling over > the years. He'll be sorely missed. His famous web site will now be > static, but no doubt will contribute an astounding volume of valuable > information for a long time to come. > > - Tom ------------------------- Tom: Thank you for letting us know. That is very sad news. I had many interactions with Sheldon Brown in the days of rec.bicycles.tech and rec.bicycles.misc What a wonderful person... I remember reading a comment about Sheldon and Jobst (Brandt.): "Together, they have the Old Codger Act down pat, "Sheldon has the look and Jobst has the Attitude..." Sheldon's attitude was unique and friendly, a remarkable fellow." jon ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/c89c82a9/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 4 20:14:44 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:14:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SDCBC] Sheldon Brown In-Reply-To: <20080204235641.ZCUO22052.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@amd.san.rr.com> Message-ID: <319958.41028.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you, Tom. Sheldon and I exchanged a number of cordial and constructive emails over the years, and I am extremely glad I made the commuter rail pilgrimage to West Newton to visit him at Harris Cyclery four years ago, when I was in Boston on business. I am certainly going to miss him. Since my mother died from MS complications at age 66, I know a little bit of what he was going through. As Sheldon would always sign off to me in emails: "All the best" John Tom Lettington wrote: Sad news today. Sheldon Brown died yesterday of a massive heart attack. :-( As many of you know, he has been suffering for some time with MS and life has been very difficult. He made so many amazing contributions to the world of cycling over the years. He'll be sorely missed. His famous web site will now be static, but no doubt will contribute an astounding volume of valuable information for a long time to come. - Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/e4b20bf3/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 4 20:20:54 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:20:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one In-Reply-To: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <124135.55021.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Please urge those affected to press charges vigorously. Go for civil damages in addition to criminal prosecution. Tom Yager wrote: I was riding with the North County Cycle Club on Saturday. About 15-20 of us were nearly finished with our 50 mile ride, riding in the bike lane in a pace line. We were on Twin Oaks Rd in San Marcos. I then heard honking coming from behind, and a large GMC van swerved into the bike lane trying to hit us while honking. He then pulled in front of us (parking lane, right of the bike lane), opened his door, and grabbed one of the cyclists. Another cyclist behind him could not stop fast enough and wiped out. The motorist started to drive away, but we yelled that we have his license, and it would be a hit and run. Someone called 911 (interesting, but no-one could get 911 on a cell phone), and a fire truck, ambulance, and several police showed up. The injured cyclist was taken away by ambulance (looked like some minor scrapes, possible broken bones, maybe more). We all gave statements to the police, and there were several other witnesses as well. When we left, the police were giving the driver a sobriety test. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/dbc52b8f/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 4 20:22:33 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:22:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SDCBC] Ride safely: No on 94-95-96-97 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <100519.40931.qm@web52509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am especially concerned about the correlation between gambling and drunk driving. Ton Van Daelen wrote: Hi all - YES, this is bicycling-related. Every new slot machine adds an average of ten round trips to the casinos for gamblers, workers, and other casino related business. If these casinos were in the city I wouldnt care, but you have seen the traffic on route 76, 78/79 past Santa Ysabel, old highway 80, Lake Wohlford. Mostly narrow roads, increasingly filled with cars driven by 90 year olds. Do we really want to see another 30 story hotel at the foot of Mount Palomar??? Thanks for listening... Ton van Daelen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/574b1616/attachment.html From danettehoffert at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 22:28:09 2008 From: danettehoffert at gmail.com (Danette Hoffert) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:28:09 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Drive'SDCBC'" r Tries to H it Bicycle Group - Got one In-Reply-To: <20080203.224358.2668.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080203.224358.2668.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1dfe83a00802041928o4616558drdef51470b8e3273e@mail.gmail.com> I hope they followed up to be sure 1. the driver was cited 2. the police actually took some action About a month ago a plumber harassed the SDBC B ride. Police were called and they apparently sided with the road-raged driver who systematically was running the riders off the road. So sad this lovely area is turning into a hostile city. On Feb 3, 2008 10:43 PM, Frank Paiano wrote: > I can't believe the ruffian was not immediately arrested and charged with > assault! Oh, it was only a cyclist he attacked. That explains it. > > -- "Tom Yager" wrote: > I was riding with the North County Cycle Club on Saturday. About 15-20 of > us were nearly finished with our 50 mile ride, riding in the bike lane in > a > pace line. We were on Twin Oaks Rd in San Marcos. I then heard honking > coming from behind, and a large GMC van swerved into the bike lane trying > to > hit us while honking. He then pulled in front of us (parking lane, right > of > the bike lane), opened his door, and grabbed one of the cyclists. Another > cyclist behind him could not stop fast enough and wiped out. The motorist > started to drive away, but we yelled that we have his license, and it > would > be a hit and run. Someone called 911 (interesting, but no-one could get > 911 > on a cell phone), and a fire truck, ambulance, and several police showed > up. > The injured cyclist was taken away by ambulance (looked like some minor > scrapes, possible broken bones, maybe more). We all gave statements to > the > police, and there were several other witnesses as well. When we left, the > police were giving the driver a sobriety test. > > Not a pleasant scene..... > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as wondernerd at juno.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do something nice for your skin. Click now for great skin care products! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieqWu72GFMALGZTAfLCsPv99FWHx0fDbVxkj7LD8o4jckpXs/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as danettehoffert at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- Danette M. Hoffert's email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/b16b6f75/attachment-0001.html From danettehoffert at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 22:33:11 2008 From: danettehoffert at gmail.com (Danette Hoffert) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:33:11 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one In-Reply-To: <124135.55021.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <124135.55021.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1dfe83a00802041933h1de9c26alcf298da8f9a0195d@mail.gmail.com> I suggest they contact Richard Duquette, bicycle injury lawyer asap. Let him direct you in dealing with the filing of complaint and dealing with the sometimes apathetic police dept. His number is (800) 464-4123. On Feb 4, 2008 5:20 PM, John Eldon wrote: > Please urge those affected to press charges vigorously. Go for civil > damages in addition to criminal prosecution. > > > *Tom Yager * wrote: > > I was riding with the North County Cycle Club on Saturday. About 15-20 of > us were nearly finished with our 50 mile ride, riding in the bike lane in > a > pace line. We were on Twin Oaks Rd in San Marcos. I then heard honking > coming from behind, and a large GMC van swerved into the bike lane trying > to > hit us while honking. He then pulled in front of us (parking lane, right > of > the bike lane), opened his door, and grabbed one of the cyclists. Another > cyclist behind him could not stop fast enough and wiped out. The motorist > started to drive away, but we yelled that we have his license, and it > would > be a hit and run. Someone called 911 (interesting, but no-one could get > 911 > on a cell phone), and a fire truck, ambulance, and several police showed > up. > The injured cyclist was taken away by ambulance (looked like some minor > scrapes, possible broken bones, maybe more). We all gave statements to the > police, and there were several other witnesses as well. When we left, the > police were giving the driver a sobriety test. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as danettehoffert at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- Danette M. Hoffert's email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080204/4ef7f97d/attachment.html From abulifia1 at cox.net Tue Feb 5 00:09:40 2008 From: abulifia1 at cox.net (Abulifia) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:09:40 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group In-Reply-To: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <47A7EF94.3060701@cox.net> Do we have anyone with details of the police report and the ::FACTS:: of what actually happened? The driver was drunk and arrested/cited accordingly or what exactly was the story? I'm not advocating this kind of motorist behavior, but we need the facts in order to form any kind of informed opinion. Subsequent commentary to Mr. Yager's account serve to enrage readers moreso than inform. Tom Yager wrote: > I was riding with the North County Cycle Club on Saturday. About 15-20 of > us were nearly finished with our 50 mile ride, riding in the bike lane in a > pace line. We were on Twin Oaks Rd in San Marcos. I then heard honking > coming from behind, and a large GMC van swerved into the bike lane trying to > hit us while honking. He then pulled in front of us (parking lane, right of > the bike lane), opened his door, and grabbed one of the cyclists. Another > cyclist behind him could not stop fast enough and wiped out. The motorist > started to drive away, but we yelled that we have his license, and it would > be a hit and run. Someone called 911 (interesting, but no-one could get 911 > on a cell phone), and a fire truck, ambulance, and several police showed up. > The injured cyclist was taken away by ambulance (looked like some minor > scrapes, possible broken bones, maybe more). We all gave statements to the > police, and there were several other witnesses as well. When we left, the > police were giving the driver a sobriety test. > > Not a pleasant scene..... > > _ > From declan at declan.net Tue Feb 5 10:10:07 2008 From: declan at declan.net (Declan Fleming) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:10:07 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group In-Reply-To: <47A7EF94.3060701@cox.net> References: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <47A7EF94.3060701@cox.net> Message-ID: <31b0064e0802050710u241a570cv8668b8445d6d7060@mail.gmail.com> Hi - more info: http://northcountycycleclub.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=61d4039817c02b9ed529e96faefe98d0&topic=177.0 D On Feb 4, 2008 9:09 PM, Abulifia wrote: > Do we have anyone with details of the police report and the ::FACTS:: of > what actually happened? The driver was drunk and arrested/cited > accordingly or what exactly was the story? I'm not advocating this > kind of motorist behavior, but we need the facts in order to form any > kind of informed opinion. Subsequent commentary to Mr. Yager's account > serve to enrage readers moreso than inform. > > > > Tom Yager wrote: > > I was riding with the North County Cycle Club on Saturday. About 15-20 > of > > us were nearly finished with our 50 mile ride, riding in the bike lane > in a > > pace line. We were on Twin Oaks Rd in San Marcos. I then heard honking > > coming from behind, and a large GMC van swerved into the bike lane > trying to > > hit us while honking. He then pulled in front of us (parking lane, > right of > > the bike lane), opened his door, and grabbed one of the cyclists. > Another > > cyclist behind him could not stop fast enough and wiped out. The > motorist > > started to drive away, but we yelled that we have his license, and it > would > > be a hit and run. Someone called 911 (interesting, but no-one could get > 911 > > on a cell phone), and a fire truck, ambulance, and several police showed > up. > > The injured cyclist was taken away by ambulance (looked like some minor > > scrapes, possible broken bones, maybe more). We all gave statements to > the > > police, and there were several other witnesses as well. When we left, > the > > police were giving the driver a sobriety test. > > > > Not a pleasant scene..... > > > > _ > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as declan at declan.net > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080205/34fd4eb2/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Tue Feb 5 14:37:59 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:37:59 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group In-Reply-To: <31b0064e0802050710u241a570cv8668b8445d6d7060@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <47A7EF94.3060701@cox.net> <31b0064e0802050710u241a570cv8668b8445d6d7060@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080205113214.03bb1890@cox.net> In the effort to change the behavior of some motorists it would be helpful maybe to find out just what this fellow was thinking... unless just drunk/medicated out of his mind. Was/is he unclear about the rights of people to use the road for bicycling? Does he dislike people in tights? Is he overweight and hate skinny people. Had he some history of encounters with bicyclists; red light runners, discourteous packs of bicyclists? Was he just angry about something else and found a vulnerable target - maybe thinking roads are for cars...? He apparently wasn't in a rush to get somewhere or he would have been unlikely to take the time to stop and confront the group... At 07:10 AM 2/5/2008, Declan Fleming wrote: >Hi - more info: > >http://northcountycycleclub.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=61d4039817c02b9ed529e96faefe98d0&topic=177.0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080205/233d009a/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Feb 5 15:44:11 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:44:11 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [Cyclo-Vets] Dangerous Intersection - You can work to change it Message-ID: <00de01c86837$dcc90270$965b0750$@org> This petition email has been circulating for a few days. I'm working with Boris on getting a meeting with Del Mar officials before the petitions are turned in, but having a bunch of names on the petition can't hurt! If you decide to sign the petition, there's a screen at the end that asks for donations to run the petition site. You don't have to make a donation for your name to be added - you can just close the browser window at that point and it will remember your name for the petition. Kathy From: Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of bikingbuzz Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:33 PM To: Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cyclo-Vets] Dangerous Intersection - You can work to change it There is a petition trying to have the dangerous merge on Camino Del Mar and Jimmy Durante Blvd where you have to cross a lane while motor vehicles approach from behind changed. For pictures and an aerial view please view the blog at: (cut & paste) http://www.dmbikemerge.blogspot.com/ then sign the petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/DMBM/ Petition will be delivered to the Del Mar City Council and City Manager on April 15, 2008. Please also forward this to all the bike riders you know!. I have seen many a near miss here, maybe we can make a difference Buzz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080205/ce0c62ae/attachment-0001.html From neil0502 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 5 18:13:56 2008 From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:13:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SDCBC] Sheldon Brown In-Reply-To: <319958.41028.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <307894.55422.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow. I've been in Yosemite, snowshoeing for a few days, and just checked e-mail. When I saw Tom's subject line ... I just knew. Like you, John, I made the pilgrimage. I have been fighting medical battles of my own for quite some time, and was in Boston for, of course, doctor visits. I spent a couple hours with Sheldon, and then we corresponded occasionally to gauge "how went the battle." Not many kinder souls have I met in my time on this Earth. Rather than seek his fortune by publishing his vast knowledge, Sheldon simply passed it on. I was deeply pained by the play-by-play of how his disease unfolded. I'm hoping that -- in that weirdest of ways -- this was for the best. If anybody knows of any foundation -- for his wife, or his kids, or his website, or his memory, generally -- I'd be grateful. I'll check into it when I get back. Really, really sad news ... for cycling. Neil --- John Eldon wrote: > Thank you, Tom. Sheldon and I exchanged a number of cordial and constructive > emails over the years, and I am extremely glad I made the commuter rail > pilgrimage to West Newton to visit him at Harris Cyclery four years ago, when > I was in Boston on business. > > I am certainly going to miss him. Since my mother died from MS complications > at age 66, I know a little bit of what he was going through. > > As Sheldon would always sign off to me in emails: "All the best" > > John > > Tom Lettington wrote: Sad news today. Sheldon Brown > died yesterday of a massive heart > attack. :-( As many of you know, he has been suffering for some time > with MS and life has been very difficult. > > He made so many amazing contributions to the world of cycling over > the years. He'll be sorely missed. His famous web site will now be > static, but no doubt will contribute an astounding volume of valuable > information for a long time to come. > > - Tom > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as neil0502 at yahoo.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 6 08:27:08 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 05:27:08 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [Cyclo-Vets] Dangerous Intersection - You can work tochange it In-Reply-To: <00de01c86837$dcc90270$965b0750$@org> Message-ID: There are dozens of similar situations all over San Diego County. This particular merge does not bother me as much as most because it is so easy to bypass it, which I do in all but very light traffic. Having said that, I would still support stop signs on ALL right-side merges, particularly northbound Carlsbad Bl. (aka Highway 101) at State St. in Carlsbad, where the city has refused to do anything, even after losing a $500K lawsuit for a bicyclist with a traumatic brain injury. (Fortunately, one can bypass that one, as well, but several others cannot be easily bypassed, such as the northbound I-5 offramp onto East Mission Bay Dr.) Cheers, John E. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Kathy Keehan Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:44 PM To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [Cyclo-Vets] Dangerous Intersection - You can work tochange it This petition email has been circulating for a few days. I'm working with Boris on getting a meeting with Del Mar officials before the petitions are turned in, but having a bunch of names on the petition can't hurt! If you decide to sign the petition, there's a screen at the end that asks for donations to run the petition site. You don't have to make a donation for your name to be added - you can just close the browser window at that point and it will remember your name for the petition. Kathy From: Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bikingbuzz Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:33 PM To: Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cyclo-Vets] Dangerous Intersection - You can work to change it There is a petition trying to have the dangerous merge on Camino Del Mar and Jimmy Durante Blvd where you have to cross a lane while motor vehicles approach from behind changed. For pictures and an aerial view please view the blog at: (cut & paste) http://www.dmbikemerge.blogspot.com/ then sign the petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/DMBM/ Petition will be delivered to the Del Mar City Council and City Manager on April 15, 2008. Please also forward this to all the bike riders you know!. I have seen many a near miss here, maybe we can make a difference Buzz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080206/22402f12/attachment.html From abulifia1 at cox.net Wed Feb 6 10:09:18 2008 From: abulifia1 at cox.net (Abulifia) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:09:18 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicycle Safety In-Reply-To: <307894.55422.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <307894.55422.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9CD9E.9010604@cox.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080206/4937b5dd/attachment.html From bikes.alot at cox.net Wed Feb 6 12:09:36 2008 From: bikes.alot at cox.net (Bicyclist) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:09:36 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicycle Safety In-Reply-To: <47A9CD9E.9010604@cox.net> References: <307894.55422.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47A9CD9E.9010604@cox.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080206090810.0393f0c8@cox.net> This one from an earlier time period is a cult classic... well, in my cult anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvemsrxpSow At 07:09 AM 2/6/2008, Abulifia wrote: >This nugget from 1963 teaches bike safety tips. I learned a couple >things after watching it. 1) if someone steals your bike, the >police won't help and, 2) this film is the result of what happens >when you take hallucinogenic drugs and watch too many shows directed >by Rod Serling. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQgAMkMmsfg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080206/1e5b60cb/attachment-0001.html From rduquete at 911law.com Wed Feb 6 15:05:37 2008 From: rduquete at 911law.com (Richard Duquette) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:05:37 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] (no subject) Message-ID: <20080206200736.GTAI23667.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@richard.911law.com> Dear List, I have been retained to represent Kelly Deboer regarding a February 2nd bike accident on Twin Oaks Road in San Marcos. (This is the accident that was previously discussed on this list). Kelly and I would appreciate it if any witnesses would please contact my office with their name, address and phone number so that we can speak with them. I can be reached via phone at 760-730-0500 or e-mail at rduquete at 911law.com. Please cc: kduquete at 911law.com. Please only e-mail me your contact information, not your description of the incident at this time. I'll speak with you regarding the details over the phone or in person. We are working hard to help Kelly. Thank you, Richard L. Duquette Criminal Defense & Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080206/81435f20/attachment.html From rduquete at 911law.com Wed Feb 6 15:08:06 2008 From: rduquete at 911law.com (Richard Duquette) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:08:06 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] February 2nd Bike Accident Message-ID: <20080206201005.GUHB23667.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@richard.911law.com> >Dear List, > >I have been retained to represent Kelly Deboer regarding a February >2nd bike accident on Twin Oaks Road in San Marcos. (This is the >accident that was previously discussed on this list). Kelly and I >would appreciate it if any witnesses would please contact my office >with their name, address and phone number so that we can speak with >them. I can be reached via phone at 760-730-0500 or e-mail at >rduquete at 911law.com. Please cc: kduquete at 911law.com. > >Please only e-mail me your contact information, not your description >of the incident at this time. I'll speak with you regarding the >details over the phone or in person. > >We are working hard to help Kelly. > >Thank you, Richard L. Duquette Criminal Defense & Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080206/84637821/attachment.html From wondernerd at juno.com Wed Feb 6 15:17:04 2008 From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank Paiano) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:17:04 GMT Subject: [SDCBC] February 2nd Bike Accident Message-ID: <20080206.121704.25236.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Greetings, Friends. Attorney Duquette refers to the incident as an accident. From what was reported on the forum, it sures looks more like a criminal assault, in my humble and layperson's opinion. Anybody know if the perp was charged with a criminal offense other than being cited for a traffic violation? -- Richard Duquette wrote: Dear List, I have been retained to represent Kelly Deboer regarding a February 2nd bike accident on Twin Oaks Road in San Marcos. (This is the accident that was previously discussed on this list). Kelly and I would appreciate it if any witnesses would please contact my office with their name, address and phone number so that we can speak with them. I can be reached via phone at 760-730-0500 or e-mail at rduquete at 911law.com. Please cc: kduquete at 911law.com. Please only e-mail me your contact information, not your description of the incident at this time. I'll speak with you regarding the details over the phone or in person. We are working hard to help Kelly. Thank you,Richard L. Duquette Criminal Defense & Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com _____________________________________________________________ Do something nice for your skin. Click now for great skin care products! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieqWvL6toNXZjcdFiNsFI8BEzWUEQ66yqXopGi6ytJhpNALw/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080206/4265fc7a/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Wed Feb 6 23:54:49 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:54:49 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Please help if you can! Need rooms for Pros! Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080206205104.03e8bef0@cox.net> An opportunity to help out some iron-people... >March 2008 in Oceanside > >http://www.ironmancalifornia.com/ >At 03:30 PM 2/6/2008, Susan wrote: >>Hey there. . . >> >>most of you know that I'm the Dive Team Leader for the Ford Ironman >>70.3 coming up in March. Felicia sent out a note; and I'm just >>passing it on to those of you that are fairly close by. >> >>Please contact Felicia if you can help or know someone that can!! >> >>Susan >><<<<<< frin Felicia >>>>>> >>Hi everyone >> >>We have quite a few pro athletes coming here to race from all over >>the world. (for the Ford 70.3 Ironman in Oceanside) In particular I >>have the following arriving and need homestays for them. If you >>have an extra room you can give up it would be so appreciated! >> >>Catriona from c republic >> >>martin and wife both racing coming from Sweden >> >>I also have a few other requests coming . All that is required is >>that you open your home to them and give them a place to sleep and >>shower. Oh and they like to have computer access - they typically >>have a wireless laptop with them. They also have their own >>transporation and buy their own food. >> >>Please let me know if you can open your home. >> >>Felicia >>feliciawalker66 at cox.net >>Homestay Coordinator >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:41:01 -0800 (PST) >From: Susan Schimka >Subject: Re: Fw: Please help if you can! Need rooms for Pros! >To: Bicyclist >Cc: feliciawalker66 at cox.net > >Jim, > > >Thanks!! > >Susan > >PS. . . the contact for this is Felicia - feliciawalker66 at cox.net > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Bicyclist >To: Susan Schimka >Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 3:32:36 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Please help if you can! Need rooms for Pros! > >Are you talking about San Diego or Florida. I'm in San Diego. >What dates? > >If San Diego, I could forward your request to a larger audience of >local San Diego bicyclists if you'd like. > >Jim Baross >San Diego > >> >> >> >>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. >>Try >>it now. > > > >Never miss a thing. >Make >Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080206/e0691927/attachment.html From camping.elliott at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 12:54:15 2008 From: camping.elliott at gmail.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:54:15 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one In-Reply-To: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <47AB45C7.7000707@gmail.com> On 2/3/2008 8:44 PM Tom Yager wrote: > "...no-one could get 911 on a cell phone..." Not to take away from the accident/assault, but I pack my cell phone when riding and would expect to be able to reach emergency services. Was it lack of signal, or 911 didn't answer, or . . . ? -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott (who isn't sure if his posts reach the group) From thomas.treynolds at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 13:25:23 2008 From: thomas.treynolds at gmail.com (Thomas Reynolds) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:25:23 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one In-Reply-To: <47AB45C7.7000707@gmail.com> References: <20080204044257.XKSN18222.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <47AB45C7.7000707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <998c822f0802071025i3e5d2b3bnfc2a4e8cbac3d164@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 7, 2008 9:54 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > On 2/3/2008 8:44 PM Tom Yager wrote: > > > "...no-one could get 911 on a cell phone..." > > Not to take away from the accident/assault, but I pack my cell phone when > riding and would expect to be able to reach emergency services. Was it > lack of signal, or 911 didn't answer, or . . . ? > I wasn't there. But I can tell you that when you call 911 on your cell it is routed to the CHP. They don't have enough operators to handle the job. If it is at all possible to reach a land-line it is best to call 911 on that (usually not possible when out riding). I've called 911 on a cell a few times. In the evening you are likely to get through. During the day you may have to wait. A SD cop told me that he has heard of the CHP taking 30 minutes to answer. Hopefully, that's an extreme example. I had to wait ten minutes once. Tom From dfege at aol.com Thu Feb 7 14:53:33 2008 From: dfege at aol.com (dfege at aol.com) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:53:33 -0500 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Please help if you can! Need rooms for Pros! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080206205104.03e8bef0@cox.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080206205104.03e8bef0@cox.net> Message-ID: <8CA37DA41787F3F-6CC-13ED@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Jim, Do you know more exact dates that these folks would need housing?? We might be able to help. Dave Fege -----Original Message----- From: Jim Baross To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Cc: Susan Schimka Sent: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 8:54 pm Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Please help if you can! Need rooms for Pros! An opportunity to help out some iron-people... March 2008 in Oceanside http://www.ironmancalifornia.com/ At 03:30 PM 2/6/2008, Susan wrote: Hey there. . . most of you know that I'm the Dive Team Leader for the Ford Ironman 70.3 coming up in March.? Felicia sent out a note; and I'm just passing it on to those of you that are fairly close by. Please contact Felicia if you can help or know someone that can!! Susan <<<<<< frin Felicia >>>>>> Hi everyone We have quite a few pro athletes coming here to race from all over the world. (for the Ford 70.3 Ironman in Oceanside) In particular I have the following arriving and need homestays for them.? If you have an extra room you can give up it would be so appreciated! Catriona from c republic martin and wife both racing? coming from Sweden I also have a few other requests coming .? All that is required is that you open your home to them and give them a place to sleep and shower.? Oh and they like to have computer access - they typically have a wireless laptop with them.? They also have their own transporation and buy their own food. Please let me know if you can open your home.? Felicia feliciawalker66 at cox.net Homestay Coordinator Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:41:01 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Schimka Subject: Re: Fw: Please help if you can!? Need rooms for Pros! To: Bicyclist Cc: feliciawalker66 at cox.net Jim, Thanks!! Susan PS. . . the contact for this is Felicia - feliciawalker66 at cox.net ----- Original Message ---- From: Bicyclist To: Susan Schimka Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 3:32:36 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Please help if you can! Need rooms for Pros! Are you talking about San Diego or Florida. I'm in San Diego. What dates? If San Diego, I could forward your request to a larger audience of local San Diego bicyclists if you'd like. Jim Baross San Diego Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as dfege at aol.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080207/12fff3f9/attachment-0001.html From tom_yager at cox.net Thu Feb 7 17:53:53 2008 From: tom_yager at cox.net (Tom Yager) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:53:53 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one In-Reply-To: <998c822f0802071025i3e5d2b3bnfc2a4e8cbac3d164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080207225226.HMK14980.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> When I tried to call 911, I just got a busy signal. No-one on a cell phone got through. This is the only time I've ever called 911 on my cell. Tom -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Reynolds Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:25 AM To: SDCBC Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one On Feb 7, 2008 9:54 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > On 2/3/2008 8:44 PM Tom Yager wrote: > > > "...no-one could get 911 on a cell phone..." > > Not to take away from the accident/assault, but I pack my cell phone when > riding and would expect to be able to reach emergency services. Was it > lack of signal, or 911 didn't answer, or . . . ? > I wasn't there. But I can tell you that when you call 911 on your cell it is routed to the CHP. They don't have enough operators to handle the job. If it is at all possible to reach a land-line it is best to call 911 on that (usually not possible when out riding). I've called 911 on a cell a few times. In the evening you are likely to get through. During the day you may have to wait. A SD cop told me that he has heard of the CHP taking 30 minutes to answer. Hopefully, that's an extreme example. I had to wait ten minutes once. Tom _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tom_yager at cox.net To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From bmatella at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 7 18:47:29 2008 From: bmatella at sbcglobal.net (Bill Matella) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:47:29 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one References: <20080207225226.HMK14980.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <00f101c869e3$cda0f6b0$4001a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> All, Consider programming your cellphone book with the business numbers of the jurisdictions you travel in. SDPD answers their phone on the first or second ring. May not work on weekends and late nights, however. Bill Matella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Yager" To: "'SDCBC'" Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one > When I tried to call 911, I just got a busy signal. No-one on a cell > phone > got through. This is the only time I've ever called 911 on my cell. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org > [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] > On Behalf Of Thomas Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:25 AM > To: SDCBC > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Enraged Driver Tries to Hit Bicycle Group - Got one > > On Feb 7, 2008 9:54 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: >> On 2/3/2008 8:44 PM Tom Yager wrote: >> >> > "...no-one could get 911 on a cell phone..." >> >> Not to take away from the accident/assault, but I pack my cell phone when >> riding and would expect to be able to reach emergency services. Was it >> lack of signal, or 911 didn't answer, or . . . ? >> > > I wasn't there. > > But I can tell you that when you call 911 on your cell it is routed to > the CHP. They don't have enough operators to handle the job. If it > is at all possible to reach a land-line it is best to call 911 on that > (usually not possible when out riding). > > I've called 911 on a cell a few times. In the evening you are likely > to get through. During the day you may have to wait. A SD cop told > me that he has heard of the CHP taking 30 minutes to answer. > Hopefully, that's an extreme example. I had to wait ten minutes once. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tom_yager at cox.net > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bmatella at sbcglobal.net > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org From pje at efgh.com Thu Feb 7 23:52:57 2008 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:52:57 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] San Elijo Hills Message-ID: <47ABE029.90509@efgh.com> To: SDCBC Mailing List Subject: San Elijo Hills From: Philip J. Erdelsky Date: 02-07-2008 There are some interesting new bike paths in the new San Elijo Hills district of San Marcos. Some of them are unpaved and suitable only for mountain biking, others are double trails with a paved part and an unpaved part running side by side. The unpaved part is usually surfaced with what is sometimes called "decomposed granite", which is firmer than plain dirt but softer than asphalt. Most of the paths are not suitable for transportation cycling because they are very hilly. But some of them are good recreational paths offering great views of Lake San Marcos, San Elijo Hills and the ocean. One trail has a view of the dam for Lake San Marcos, which is in a deep and inaccessible canyon and cannot be seen from most other vantage points. If you use the Thomas Guide, make sure you have the latest (2008) edition. Earlier editions omit many roads in this area. The San Marcos Park and Rec. Dept. has posted a trail map: http://www.ci.san-marcos.ca.us/upload/images/Community%20Services/Trails/PDFs/SouthCityTrails.pdf If your browser chokes on that URL, just bring up the San Marcos Web site at http://www.ci.san-marcos.ca.us and navigate to the trail maps. You'll find them eventually. The trails can be rather difficult to follow, because most are still unsigned. The best path, in my humble opinion, is the CERRO DE LAS POSAS RIDGELINE TRAIL. It begins on Double Peak Dr. (which is closed to automobiles but open to bicyclists and pedestrians) and runs west about 1.6 miles along the Cerro de las Posas ridge to a prominent radio tower at the west end of the ridge. The views are terrific. The path is quite hilly, but the asphalt pavement is new and smooth. There are paths from the radio tower down into San Elijo Hills to the south and Lake San Marcos to the north. I haven't explored them fully, but I think you can make all the way without leaving the pavement. However, there is a small section of one path which, although paved, is so steep that an official sign advises bicyclists go dismount and walk. (I took their advice.) "Cerro" means hill. You don't want to know what "Posas" means. I found two possible definitions on the Web site of the Spanish Royal Academy, neither of which is very inspiring. Photograph at http://www.efgh.com/bike/cdlprt1.jpg -- Philip Erdelsky From camping.elliott at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 19:02:26 2008 From: camping.elliott at gmail.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:02:26 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Plans advance for Leucadia highway improvements Message-ID: <47ACED92.4080108@gmail.com> "Plans to beautify a 2-mile stretch of North Coast Highway 101 advanced Thursday, as design consultants addressed the Encinitas Planning Commission and a staffer announced dates for public workshops later this month." and "The city's right-of-way is 100 feet wide, and Chapo said the designers could take advantage of that width to create crosswalks, bus stops and parking on the east side of the highway." http://nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/08/news/coastal/19_99_352_7_08.txt Will anyone be there to urge them to make it safer for cyclists, too? I love riding through Leucadia but SB between the doors and the traffic, and NB on that narrow shoulder it can be a bit risky. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott Carlsbad From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 8 20:51:50 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:51:50 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Plans advance for Leucadia highway improvements In-Reply-To: <47ACED92.4080108@gmail.com> Message-ID: I live in the area, and I plan to attend the Saturday workshop. Many of us are fighting very hard for a 10 mph reduction in the posted speed limit and mechanism by which we can enforce it. Tip: northbound, ride to the LEFT of the fog line, since the shoulder is assuredly NOT a legal bike lane. Likewise, southbound stay clear of the door zone. Stay tuned ... John E. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Michael Elliott Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:02 PM To: Sdcbc Subject: [SDCBC] Plans advance for Leucadia highway improvements "Plans to beautify a 2-mile stretch of North Coast Highway 101 advanced Thursday, as design consultants addressed the Encinitas Planning Commission and a staffer announced dates for public workshops later this month." and "The city's right-of-way is 100 feet wide, and Chapo said the designers could take advantage of that width to create crosswalks, bus stops and parking on the east side of the highway." http://nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/08/news/coastal/19_99_352_7_08.txt Will anyone be there to urge them to make it safer for cyclists, too? I love riding through Leucadia but SB between the doors and the traffic, and NB on that narrow shoulder it can be a bit risky. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott Carlsbad From pje at efgh.com Fri Feb 8 23:49:37 2008 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:49:37 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] El Centro Bike Routes Message-ID: <47AD30E1.6070204@efgh.com> I took a trip to the Imperial Valley today, and I checked out some bike routes. El Centro has snazzy bike route signs: http://www.efghmaps.com/temp/34241.jpg But some of their facilities aren't so snazzy: http://www.efghmaps.com/temp/34242.jpg -- Philip Erdelsky From JimBaross at cox.net Sat Feb 9 12:49:15 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:49:15 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Reader cover story - Ollie's Big Bike Ride Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080209094031.03b03e20@cox.net> I'm only half way through this entertaining article. Who's "Ollie"? And, can I/we meet him to talk about his '... cyclist's pipe dream." for "... a path, built up on the sides by curbs or raised from street level about a foot, for pedestrians and bikes only. It could be right down the middle of University (Avenue) or over to one side." LA has something similar and I would rather not ride it for any distance. A fun read so far... http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2008/feb/06/cover/ Ollie's Big Bike Ride By Ollie | Published Wednesday, Feb. 6, 2008 Ollie's Big Bike Ride There's no outfit so fantastically ridiculous as the too-tight, brazenly colored, and obnoxiously patterned ensemble for riding a long distance on a bicycle. It's too much. Ostensibly the outfits are colored and patterned wildly to present a bold contrast to the dreary roadside so motorists can see you, but I think outfits are designed to keep bicyclists from reproducing. Really, there's no reason it has to be this tight, this bright, and reflectorized. My kit involves a pair of special elf shoes with yellow Velcro straps. They're elfish because there's a metal shank extending from the toe to the heel that prevents them from bending in the middle and provides more pedaling power. But for no reason at all, the toes curl up a little at the end. And while I've got your attention, let's look at the rest of it. - snip - And if you've ridden a bike down a San Diego street, you know that bike lanes are rare and oddly placed, sometimes materializing from nowhere and ending as abruptly just a few yards away. On the topic of roads and phantom bicycle lanes, consider this. SANDAG, which has the important-sounding title of "San Diego's Regional Planning Agency," has budgeted out the next 40 years of revenue from TransNet. (Let's not get TOO dry here. We're already nearing day-after-Thanksgiving-turkey area. But let's press on.) TransNet is a half-cent sales tax we all pay that's allocated to transportation projects. In the next 40 years, the wonderful wizards of SANDAG have allocated about $8.6 billion for streets, highways, roads, and miscellaneous projects. Not that those are necessarily "bad" funds, but for pedestrian and bicycle projects, only $.28 billion of that tax is budgeted, which is $280 million. Which amounts to road and highway projects receiving 30 times the amount of money that is being allotted to bike and pedestrian projects. Of course, there are easily 30 cars on the road for every one bike. Maybe that money should go to car funds rather than walking and biking funds, because there are just MORE cars. But this is San Diego. Routinely named one of the healthiest cities in the United States. Joggers trot down the San Diego River path to Dog Beach every day. Hikers strap their boots up and plod around Cowles Mountain constantly. Every June, we shut down the 163 freeway, set up a stage every mile, and let possibly deranged people run the Rock 'n' Roll Marathon. And a quick search reveals 284 businesses related to the term "gym" in the San Diego area. - snip - Here's a cyclist's pipe dream. Run a path, built up on the sides by curbs or raised from street level about a foot, for pedestrians and bikes only. It could be right down the middle of University or over to one side, where diagonal parking spots reside now. Cars could still park, but they'd have to park parallel instead of diagonally to the curb, but they could definitely park. The bike-and-walk path wouldn't have to be more than four or five feet wide. Walkers and cyclists could visit area shops and reduce emissions as well as congestion. College kids riding from SDSU could make it to Hillcrest or North Park in no time. The blue-collar folks who live in City Heights could get a bike (mine cost $225) and ride to the center of the city for work. As long as I'm dreaming, how about we make it a nice material to ride on, like garden pavers, stone, or, hell, even concrete, and line the path with trees. The trees will provide shade and a small amount of protection from the occasional rampaging, haywire car, and they'll also add to San Diego's tree canopy and oxygen supply. And if the bike path were separated by trees, shrubs, and foliage, the motorists wouldn't have to look at our ugly cycling outfits. - snip - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080209/3304e57f/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080210/aaeb598c/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Mon Feb 11 15:37:17 2008 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:37:17 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway Message-ID: <002301c86ced$e4be39e0$ae3aada0$@org> I hope many of you can attend, and encourage your bicycling friends to do so as well! There are three meetings, and we need bicyclists at all three - - A presentation before the Encinitas City Council at 6 p.m. Wednesday at City Hall, 505 S. Vulcan Ave.; - Part one of a two-part community workshop at 6 p.m. Feb. 21 at the Oak Crest Middle School auditorium, 675 Balour Drive; - Part two of the workshop at 8:30 a.m. Feb. 23 at City Hall. The session includes a walking tour of the project area and brainstorming sessions. During the walking tour, participants can observe places where motorists and pedestrians may be in conflict and get a "big picture" look at the project area, Peltz said. When the group returns to City Hall, participants can plot their ideas and other details on aerial photographs of the highway. Hope to see many of you there! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080211/21f761aa/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 11 16:34:52 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:34:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SDCBC] specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway In-Reply-To: <002301c86ced$e4be39e0$ae3aada0$@org> Message-ID: <11661.66723.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'll attend at least the Saturday morning workshop, and possibly one or both evening events, as well. If anyone who cannot attend has any concerns or requests, please forward them to me. This week's meeting is probably the least important of the three, in the sense that public input will not be heard -- there will be just a brief project background briefing for the city council. I am pushing hard for reducing the speed limit from 40 or 45 mph to 30mph and for avoiding door zone bike lanes. I am wary of the proposal to install parking on the north (railroad frontage) side of the coast highway. John E. Kathy Keehan wrote: I hope many of you can attend, and encourage your bicycling friends to do so as well! There are three meetings, and we need bicyclists at all three ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080211/3e9805f6/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Thu Feb 14 14:59:16 2008 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:59:16 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Bike Store Sale Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080214115824.03bf9cb0@cox.net> Forwarded. Disclaimer - I have no financial interest in the store. >From: "William Riggs" >To: "Work" >Subject: Bike Store Sale >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:59:26 -0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 >Thread-Index: AchutZvV9Jv6BBsEQkOUaKLXLfZHRg== > >Ran into a great bike and equipment sale and thought to send it to >all cyclists I know. > >Hi Tech Bikes in the Kearny Mesa area is having a 30% of any single >item purchase, i.e. a $4000.00 full carbon Serotta will sell for >$2800.00 where a $2000.00 Bianchi would sale for $1400.00. > >The sale is this Saturday. Here is a link to their website if you >are interested or know someone who is. > >http://hi-techbikes.com/index.cfm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080215/25c0edc7/attachment-0001.html From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Sun Feb 17 13:17:40 2008 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:17:40 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] bike safety flag for Blind Stokers Club Message-ID: <8856b3449ab1c75a1c207bda15576e39@san.rr.com> Cyclists - Looking for advice and where to acquire a safety flag (on a vertical whip) to increase visibility of recumbent tandem on the road. The Blind Stokers Club is training for the 4th annual Cycling for Sight - a 3-day bike tour from Santa Barbara to San Diego in August. Thanks for any tips. Dave White From danettehoffert at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 23:23:48 2008 From: danettehoffert at gmail.com (Danette Hoffert) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:23:48 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway In-Reply-To: <11661.66723.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <002301c86ced$e4be39e0$ae3aada0$@org> <11661.66723.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1dfe83a00802172023h60e2000cvc5ac3e00f6766fe1@mail.gmail.com> John E. and Kathy, My 3 cents worth. So glad you will be attending. I will try but often work late. 1. Riding a bike along the coast is a very desirable ride by all types of bicycle riders. Bicyclist are a reality of the PCH! 2. The PCH from North to South is dangerous. - Sometimes the bike lane just vanishes and a bicyclist is caught in the "gauntlet." It reminds me of the crazy motorcyclists flying in between lanes. Yet I have no choice and am put in a crazy motorcycle type position. - I have traffic on my left and parking on my right. If you are dealing with SUV, trucks, buses, tourists driving on the left, you have enough to contend with. The mirror on a RV once came within inches of my head. This is the reality of the ride along the PCH especially in parts of Encinitas. - Traffic on the right is even more dangerous. Car doors, runners, pedestrians, strollers, pets, etc.. I used to try the three foot rule for avoiding the car doors which swing open at random, but you need the five foot rule for some of the bigger trucks and SUVs. I attempt to look at cars/trucks to see if someone is in the drivers seat and may swing open a door, but with tinted windows, cars hidden behind SUVs/trucks, this is often difficult. This then makes the cars on your left angry so some come dangerously close or stay behind and get angry. It is a lose/lose. - I saw a bicyclist with a camera on her helmet riding along the PCH. I think a picture is worth a thousand... you know. * If we could find someone to video tape the riding experience through Encinitas on a week-end morning they might get an idea of the chaos and danger. I think it would be powerful.* - Vulcan offers a lot to planners. There is an option for a huge bike trail along side Vulcan and the dirt along the railroad tracks. San Diego has so much to offer. We could create a hundred mile loop if we created a decent bike path up and down the coast and linked it to some of the others, 56 to Hodges Bridge, etc.. I am dreaming a little big here. But what a draw and money maker for San Diego, a city that offers year-round cycling. Some ideas for the upcoming meetings. Thank you! Danette Hoffert On Feb 11, 2008 1:34 P , John Eldon wrote: > I'll attend at least the Saturday morning workshop, and possibly one or > both evening events, as well. If anyone who cannot attend has any concerns > or requests, please forward them to me. This week's meeting is probably the > least important of the three, in the sense that public input will not be > heard -- there will be just a brief project background briefing for the city > council. > I am pushing hard for reducing the speed limit from 40 or 45 mph to 30mph > and for avoiding door zone bike lanes. I am wary of the proposal to install > parking on the north (railroad frontage) side of the coast highway. > John E. > *Kathy Keehan * wrote: > > I hope many of you can attend, and encourage your bicycling friends to do > so as well! There are three meetings, and we need bicyclists at all three ? > > > _______________________________________________ > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as danettehoffert at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- Danette M. Hoffert's email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080217/c89cb1ac/attachment.html From stephanvance at cox.net Mon Feb 18 11:08:55 2008 From: stephanvance at cox.net (Stephan Vance) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:08:55 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway In-Reply-To: <1dfe83a00802172023h60e2000cvc5ac3e00f6766fe1@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c86ced$e4be39e0$ae3aada0$@org> <11661.66723.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1dfe83a00802172023h60e2000cvc5ac3e00f6766fe1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c87248$90004e10$b9cd6544@D9CXGJ41> The idea of a bike path along the railroad right of way has been around for a long time, and considerable work has already been done in some areas. It's called the Coastal Rail Trail The problem for Encinitas is that the North County Transit District is requiring that a fence be constructed along with the bike path, and many Encinitas residents who are used to crossing the tracks to get to PCH and the beach oppose the path for that reason. The city council, caught between a rock and a hard place have sided with the residents. There are solutions, but it will take al lot of work and political will to either get legal crossings approved or to get everyone to agree that the bike path is not going to increase illegal track crossings so a fence shouldn't be required. Showing up and letting them know you care is an essential part of the process of finding a solution. Stephan Vance _____ From: Danette Hoffert [mailto:danettehoffert at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:24 PM To: John Eldon Cc: Kathy Keehan; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org; sdcbcboard at calvin.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [SDCBC] specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway John E. and Kathy, My 3 cents worth. So glad you will be attending. I will try but often work late. 1. Riding a bike along the coast is a very desirable ride by all types of bicycle riders. Bicyclist are a reality of the PCH! 2. The PCH from North to South is dangerous. * Sometimes the bike lane just vanishes and a bicyclist is caught in the "gauntlet." It reminds me of the crazy motorcyclists flying in between lanes. Yet I have no choice and am put in a crazy motorcycle type position. * I have traffic on my left and parking on my right. If you are dealing with SUV, trucks, buses, tourists driving on the left, you have enough to contend with. The mirror on a RV once came within inches of my head. This is the reality of the ride along the PCH especially in parts of Encinitas. * Traffic on the right is even more dangerous. Car doors, runners, pedestrians, strollers, pets, etc.. I used to try the three foot rule for avoiding the car doors which swing open at random, but you need the five foot rule for some of the bigger trucks and SUVs. I attempt to look at cars/trucks to see if someone is in the drivers seat and may swing open a door, but with tinted windows, cars hidden behind SUVs/trucks, this is often difficult. This then makes the cars on your left angry so some come dangerously close or stay behind and get angry. It is a lose/lose. * I saw a bicyclist with a camera on her helmet riding along the PCH. I think a picture is worth a thousand... you know. If we could find someone to video tape the riding experience through Encinitas on a week-end morning they might get an idea of the chaos and danger. I think it would be powerful. * Vulcan offers a lot to planners. There is an option for a huge bike trail along side Vulcan and the dirt along the railroad tracks. San Diego has so much to offer. We could create a hundred mile loop if we created a decent bike path up and down the coast and linked it to some of the others, 56 to Hodges Bridge, etc.. I am dreaming a little big here. But what a draw and money maker for San Diego, a city that offers year-round cycling. Some ideas for the upcoming meetings. Thank you! Danette Hoffert On Feb 11, 2008 1:34 P , John Eldon wrote: I'll attend at least the Saturday morning workshop, and possibly one or both evening events, as well. If anyone who cannot attend has any concerns or requests, please forward them to me. This week's meeting is probably the least important of the three, in the sense that public input will not be heard -- there will be just a brief project background briefing for the city council. I am pushing hard for reducing the speed limit from 40 or 45 mph to 30mph and for avoiding door zone bike lanes. I am wary of the proposal to install parking on the north (railroad frontage) side of the coast highway. John E. Kathy Keehan wrote: I hope many of you can attend, and encourage your bicycling friends to do so as well! There are three meetings, and we need bicyclists at all three - _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as danettehoffert at gmail.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -- Danette M. Hoffert's email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080218/f2cd47d7/attachment-0001.html From public at exwis.com Mon Feb 18 11:20:39 2008 From: public at exwis.com (Fulton Martin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:20:39 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway In-Reply-To: <1dfe83a00802172023h60e2000cvc5ac3e00f6766fe1@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c86ced$e4be39e0$ae3aada0$@org> <11661.66723.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1dfe83a00802172023h60e2000cvc5ac3e00f6766fe1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B9B057.8010206@exwis.com> Someone wrote: > 1. Bicyclist are a reality of the PCH! > 2. The PCH from North to South is dangerous. There is no "PCH" in San Diego County. Much of US 1 is so designated, but the southernmost piece named that is north of San Clemente. The highway that runs along our coast is sometimes named "Pacific Highway" or "Coast Highway," but not both. Sorry for the rant, but it's a pet peeve... 8-) -- Fulton Martin __=o&o>__ public at exwis.com San Diego, CA N32 43.950, W117 05.867 From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 18 12:08:13 2008 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:08:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SDCBC] specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway In-Reply-To: <47B9B057.8010206@exwis.com> Message-ID: <66058.22076.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The road is now officially named Coast Highway 101 through the City of Encinitas, including the Leucadia district. Carlsbad still stubbornly calls it Carlsbad Bl. I definitely plan to attend the Saturday morning workshop, and I shall try to make the Thursday evening presentation, as well. John E. Fulton Martin wrote: There is no "PCH" in San Diego County. Much of US 1 is so designated, but the southernmost piece named that is north of San Clemente. 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From: "John Eldon" Subject: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:50:50 -0800 Size: 2861 Url: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080219/b188fce1/attachment.mht From gcarman at san.rr.com Tue Feb 19 11:51:54 2008 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:51:54 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape In-Reply-To: <959887.37826.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <959887.37826.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080219165113.UMDV2345.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@ppg1.san.rr.com> Actually I think you mean: "...the outermost of the lanes in either direction..." instead of "the rightmost of the two lanes in each direction." The only problem I have with your plan is the enforcement of the 25-30MPH speed limit, which eventually can be overridden by the 85 percentile rule into one of the horrid "urban freeways" that are exemplified by many local arterials and by Hiway 1 in and around the Huntington Beach and other similar areas. The 25-30MPH speed you mention is ideal for mixed traffic, but motorists rarely maintain such speeds, and enforcement is hardly available 24 hours a day. Traffic calming with traffic islands and even speed berms may be the only real solution... especially if merchants expect motor traffic to be able to pull into those streetside parking places. At 06:52 AM 2/19/2008, you wrote: >Note: forwarded message attached. >X-Apparently-To: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net via 206.190.48.195; > Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:50:55 -0800 >X-Originating-IP: [66.185.168.82] >Authentication-Results: mta116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=pulselink.net; > domainkeys=neutral (no sig) >Received: from 207.115.20.180 (EHLO flpi178.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.180) > by mta116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; > Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:50:53 -0800 >X-Originating-IP: [66.185.168.82] >Received: from pluto.hq.pulselink.net (mail.pulselink.net [66.185.168.82]) > by flpi178.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb regex/8.13.8) with ESMTP id > m1JEopfc020157 > for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:50:51 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:50:50 -0800 >From: "John Eldon" >To: >Content-Length: 1085 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Eldon >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:51 AM >To: 'Kathy Keehan' >Subject: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape > >Greetings fellow cyclists, > >Some of you have asked me how to forward your comments and concerns >regarding the proposed streetscape project through the Leucadia portion >of Coast Highway 101. The lead contractor is M W Peltz, whose website, >http://www.mwpeltz.com/ , is unfortunately still under construction, but >their phone number and mailing address are provided. You may also >forward your concerns to me or to Kathy. I hope to attend the kickoff >workshop Thursday evening (6 to 8 p.m. at Oak Crest Middle School on >Balour Dr.), and I definitely plan to join the project walking tour >workshop Saturday morning (meet at City Hall at 8:30), which >unfortunately means I shall miss the grand opening of the long-awaited >rebuilt and expanded Encinitas library. > >The Leucadia Town Council, a longstanding private citizens' activist >group not to be confused with the official Encinitas City Council, has >presented a list of suggestions to M W Peltz, which unfortunately >includes the misguided possibility of a two-way duplex bike lane on the >east side of Highway 101. We have only 100 feet of right-of-way >available, including the sidewalk and the landscaped median, and the >local merchants understandably want to conserve or even to expand their >on-street parking. I am going to suggest something very similar to Coast >Highway 101 through downtown Encinitas, with four travel lanes, no >separate bike lanes, an enforced 25 or 30mph speed limit (down from 40), >and cyclists being encouraged to take the rightmost of the two lanes in >each direction. The alternative, I fear, will be a narrow door zone bike >lane or a segregated two-way facility with extremely awkward or >dangerous connections at Leucadia Bl. and La Costa Av. > >All the best, > >John E. > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as gcarman at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From serge at issakov.org Tue Feb 19 13:04:49 2008 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:04:49 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape In-Reply-To: <959887.37826.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <959887.37826.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0802191004h6cd332fdm5209b0af82b01813@mail.gmail.com> How about painting shared lane markings (sharrows) down the center of the outside lane to make it clear to cyclists as well as motorists that that lane is too narrow to be safely shared side-by-side by bike/vehicle, and motorists need to change lanes to pass? The major concern with sharrows (which I don't think we have anywhere in SD County yet) is that they are often painted too far to the right, creating the exact opposite impression: cyclists need to keep to the right and share the lane side-by-side as much as possible. I'm happy with the way it is which allows for safe and legal lane controlling centerish positioning, but having "share the road" signs couldn't hurt, nor would the sharrows if they were actually centered. Serge On Feb 19, 2008 6:52 AM, John Eldon wrote: > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "John Eldon" > To: > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:50:50 -0800 > Subject: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Eldon > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:51 AM > To: 'Kathy Keehan' > Subject: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape > > Greetings fellow cyclists, > > Some of you have asked me how to forward your comments and concerns > regarding the proposed streetscape project through the Leucadia portion > of Coast Highway 101. The lead contractor is M W Peltz, whose website, > http://www.mwpeltz.com/ , is unfortunately still under construction, but > their phone number and mailing address are provided. You may also > forward your concerns to me or to Kathy. I hope to attend the kickoff > workshop Thursday evening (6 to 8 p.m. at Oak Crest Middle School on > Balour Dr.), and I definitely plan to join the project walking tour > workshop Saturday morning (meet at City Hall at 8:30), which > unfortunately means I shall miss the grand opening of the long-awaited > rebuilt and expanded Encinitas library. > > The Leucadia Town Council, a longstanding private citizens' activist > group not to be confused with the official Encinitas City Council, has > presented a list of suggestions to M W Peltz, which unfortunately > includes the misguided possibility of a two-way duplex bike lane on the > east side of Highway 101. We have only 100 feet of right-of-way > available, including the sidewalk and the landscaped median, and the > local merchants understandably want to conserve or even to expand their > on-street parking. I am going to suggest something very similar to Coast > Highway 101 through downtown Encinitas, with four travel lanes, no > separate bike lanes, an enforced 25 or 30mph speed limit (down from 40), > and cyclists being encouraged to take the rightmost of the two lanes in > each direction. The alternative, I fear, will be a narrow door zone bike > lane or a segregated two-way facility with extremely awkward or > dangerous connections at Leucadia Bl. and La Costa Av. > > All the best, > > John E. > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080219/116b0b60/attachment.html From camping.elliott at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 14:39:31 2008 From: camping.elliott at gmail.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:39:31 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0802191004h6cd332fdm5209b0af82b01813@mail.gmail.com> References: <959887.37826.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <69ec985b0802191004h6cd332fdm5209b0af82b01813@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BB3073.7080801@gmail.com> W/r/t Serge's "Share the road" signs: many motorists I know think that the sign is directed only at cyclists, meaning "get out of the way of the cars," or don't know what the sign pertains to. The most effective signs I've seen have, in addition to the words, a picture of a bicycle so the motorists get a clue. If the city agrees to using signs, I'd ask that they be urged to use the ones with the pictures. I like sharrows, too. Just my $0.02 -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott Carlsbad On 2/19/2008 10:04 AM Serge Issakov wrote: > > How about painting shared lane markings (sharrows) down the center of > the outside lane to make it clear to cyclists as well as motorists that > that lane is too narrow to be safely shared side-by-side by > bike/vehicle, and motorists need to change lanes to pass? > > The major concern with sharrows (which I don't think we have anywhere in > SD County yet) is that they are often painted too far to the right, > creating the exact opposite impression: cyclists need to keep to the > right and share the lane side-by-side as much as possible. I'm happy > with the way it is which allows for safe and legal lane controlling > centerish positioning, but having "share the road" signs couldn't hurt, > nor would the sharrows if they were actually centered. > > Serge > > > On Feb 19, 2008 6:52 AM, John Eldon > wrote: > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "John Eldon" > > To: > > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:50:50 -0800 > Subject: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Eldon > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:51 AM > To: 'Kathy Keehan' > Subject: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape > > Greetings fellow cyclists, > > Some of you have asked me how to forward your comments and concerns > regarding the proposed streetscape project through the Leucadia portion > of Coast Highway 101. The lead contractor is M W Peltz, whose website, > http://www.mwpeltz.com/ , is unfortunately still under construction, but > their phone number and mailing address are provided. You may also > forward your concerns to me or to Kathy. I hope to attend the kickoff > workshop Thursday evening (6 to 8 p.m. at Oak Crest Middle School on > Balour Dr.), and I definitely plan to join the project walking tour > workshop Saturday morning (meet at City Hall at 8:30), which > unfortunately means I shall miss the grand opening of the long-awaited > rebuilt and expanded Encinitas library. > > The Leucadia Town Council, a longstanding private citizens' activist > group not to be confused with the official Encinitas City Council, has > presented a list of suggestions to M W Peltz, which unfortunately > includes the misguided possibility of a two-way duplex bike lane on the > east side of Highway 101. We have only 100 feet of right-of-way > available, including the sidewalk and the landscaped median, and the > local merchants understandably want to conserve or even to expand their > on-street parking. I am going to suggest something very similar to Coast > Highway 101 through downtown Encinitas, with four travel lanes, no > separate bike lanes, an enforced 25 or 30mph speed limit (down from 40), > and cyclists being encouraged to take the rightmost of the two lanes in > each direction. The alternative, I fear, will be a narrow door zone bike > lane or a segregated two-way facility with extremely awkward or > dangerous connections at Leucadia Bl. and La Costa Av. > > All the best, > > John E. > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > > > > -- > NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared > by any organization in which I am involved. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as camping.elliott at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From serge at issakov.org Tue Feb 19 14:45:24 2008 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:45:24 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: FW: Leucadia Coast Highway 101 Streetscape In-Reply-To: <47BB3073.7080801@gmail.com> References: <959887.37826.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <69ec985b0802191004h6cd332fdm5209b0af82b01813@mail.gmail.com> <47BB3073.7080801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0802191145h4bc4148ev72dc49632db05f72@mail.gmail.com> You're right, Mike, I forgot about that common misinterpretation of the meaning of the words-only "share the road" sign. I wish the MUTCD would approve some kind of "cyclists use full lane" sign for these situations. Most cities only use signs approved by the MUTCD. MUTCD: http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ Serge On Feb 19, 2008 11:39 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > W/r/t Serge's "Share the road" signs: many motorists I know think that > the sign is directed only at cyclists, meaning "get out of the way of > the cars," or don't know what the sign pertains to. The most effective > signs I've seen have, in addition to the words, a picture of a bicycle > so the motorists get a clue. If the city agrees to using signs, I'd ask > that they be urged to use the ones with the pictures. > > I like sharrows, too. > > Just my $0.02 > > -- > Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott > Carlsbad > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20080219/71bea4e6/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Tue Feb 19 17:18:41 2008 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:18:41 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Pet peeve: cyclists have "no choice" but to be unsafe/crazy Message-ID: <69ec985b0802191418o267545e6hfafcdcd1963a43e2@mail.gmail.com> [WAS: specific information about Encinitas community meetings re: Coast Highway] As long as we're sharing pet peeves, I am going to share mine here, which is when bicyclists promote the false but widely held notion that cyclists often have to be crazy and are often forced into unsafe situations while trying to "survive" in traffic. This is a major pet peeve of mine because the idea that traffic creates situations that are necessarily crazy/unsafe for bicyclists is not only false, but it's very bad for bicycling advocacy. We, of all people, should not be doing that. Please don't take this personally Danette, I'm just using your post as an example because I think it serves as an eloquent example of the opinions shared by many in the cycling community (not to mention the population at large - many of whom will not take up cycling precisely because they think it is too inherently dangerous). I'm sure many on this list nodded in agreement as they originally read these words on their screens, words that I now take to task. On Feb 17, 2008 8:23 PM, Danette Hoffert wrote: > > > - Sometimes the bike lane just vanishes and a bicyclist is caught in > the "gauntlet." It reminds me of the crazy motorcyclists flying in between > lanes. Yet I have no choice and am put in a crazy motorcycle type > position. > > No choice? We DO have a choice: instead of sharing the lane, control it. There is nothing crazy about controlling a lane when a lane sharing position is not safe and reasonable for one reason or another. Exactly what that means and how, when and why to do it, is the essence of what is taught in the League of American Bicycling courses. I just spent Saturday and Sunday this weekend