[SDCBC] Orange/Howard Bike Route

[Philip Erdelsky]

This has long been a favorite Class III bike route. Rough pavement is
being replaced, little by little.

However, the City of San Diego seems to have only one traffic calming
device -- namely, the all-way stop. Howard Ave. has lots of them.
If these are less inconvenient to bicyclists than to motorists, it
is only because bicyclists don't take them very seriously.

Some other routes, such as Meade Ave., are better rides, but they
are not marked and are not as well known.

-- Philip Erdelsky

Kathy Keehan wrote:
> I vote for Orange/Howard - it's relatively flat, has few stop signs, and not
> too much traffic. It's strategically placed between University and El Cajon
> with good connectivity to both. It also has great freeway crossings for both
> 805 and 15. I think we could traffic calm it the length of the street (from
> 54th to Park) and have a wonderful east west connector. 
> Not that I have a definite opinion or anything... ;-)
> Kathy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Baross, Jr.
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:12 PM
> To: jwstump at cox.net; Derek Hofmann
> Cc: SDCBC
> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] El Cajon Bicycle Boulevard
> 
> At 06:30 AM 4/1/2008, jwstump at cox.net wrote:
>> Jim & All,
>>
>> What do you think of a El Cajon Bicycle Boulevard
>>
>> It seems to have everything going for it:
>>
>> Excess East West road way (Commercial area declining for 40 years)
>> Parallel to two East West Freeways (I-8, SR-15)
>> Crossed by two Freeways (I-805. SR-15)
>> Major current Bus Route
>> Connects major urban populations from La Mesa to Hillcrest (SR-163)
>> Adjacent residents correct Bicycle demographics
>> High School Bus Ridership Routes
>> Connects to City Heights Transit Plazas above SR-15
>> Connects to Balboa Park & Downtown cultural centers
>>
>> What do you think?
> 
> As a potential Bike Boulevard? Not much. It's a useful corridor but 
> not especially suited for bicycling other than providing a direct 
> connection. It'd make a good BRT route though.... especially if the 
> busses would carry significant number of bikes.
> 
> One of the most hilly east-west routes across Mid-City
> Many many cross-streets, driveways and intersection conflicts
> Many signalized intersections - I'd rather keep rolling; maybe timing 
> them for 10 to 15 mph traffic?
> Not a "comfortable" mileau - busy, lots going on, etc.
> Relatively high ADT - numbers of motor vehicles
> Lots of on-street vehicle parking
> Major bus route - bicyclists must negotiate for the same space
> Freeway on/off ramps encourage oblivious entry/exit by motorists.
> 
> Though not serving the same full length of El Cajon Blvd. how about 
> Upas, Meade and/or Orange.
> 
> And, John, have you heard about the City Height CDC organizing a 
> Candidate Forum re: Mid City Mobility. Call me is you'd want to get
> involved...
> 
> 
>> All the best
>> John Stump
>>
>> ---- "Jim Baross wrote:
>>
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