[SDCBC] Rose Creek Canyon, was RE: Bogota vs. San Diego

Tue Apr 1 02:18:51 EDT 2008

Steve:
Find a map - googleEarth? - and chart a course connecting lots of 
people to lots of destinations.
That corridor may be what's being considered for part of the Coastal 
Rail Trail... I'm not sure.

My interest was for east-west connectivity - Clairmont area, Governor 
Drive neighborhoods and University Town Center to Pacific/Mission 
Beach and Bay.

At 07:15 PM 3/31/2008, Steve McNeil wrote:
>No.  This trail does not cross the RR track anywhere.  It comes 
>pretty close to it when you go under Regents and Genessee but so 
>would a vehicle, fire engine or otherwise.  As for attaching a 
>bike/ped bridge to the 52 bridge, I can visualize a 180-270 degree 
>loop on the north side to get high enough over the tracks   But I 
>think that is less practical. And you are talking about going into 
>San Clemente Canyon.   What I am suggesting is a trail on the north 
>side of Rose Canyon and has far more gentle incline.  You might have 
>to contend with objections from the RR and the La Jolla Colony 
>Homeowner Association.
>
>I am not sure where it could go beyond Genessee.  You will have to 
>avoid Miramar.  You might turn north to go on Nobel Drive or go 
>under 805 to get to Clairemont Mesa (or both).  Maybe we can loop 
>around to get back to San Clemente Canyon.  I think there are some 
>possibilities here.
>
>--Steve McNeil
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Baross, Jr. [mailto:JimBaross at cox.net]
>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:15 PM
>To: Steve McNeil; Gene Carman; SDCBC
>Subject: RE: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego
>
>To connect to either of those canyon trails from the west, isn't it 
>necessary to cross the RR tracks?
>There was a proposal at one time to attach a bike/ped crossing onto 
>the 52 bridge over the tracks.
>At 06:53 PM 3/30/2008, Steve McNeil wrote:
>>Highway 52 is in San Clemente Canyon.  Rose Canyon is the next one 
>>north.  The Rose Canyon Bike Path ends there.  There is a good, 
>>well graded dirt road going east from there and parallels the 
>>railroad track.  I rode my mountain bike on it.  It goes east from 
>>near the bike path, goes underneath Regents Road and underneath 
>>Genesee Avenue and beyond. That kind of continuity is not possible 
>>in San Clemente Canyon as both Genesee and Regents go all the way 
>>to the canyon floor there. It also has access to both sides of each 
>>of these streets.  It has one deep dip that can be easily 
>>circumvented.  I can just visualize it being paved as an extension 
>>of the current Rose Canyon Bike Path,
>>
>>It would also solve the problem of accessing the bike path for 
>>those who come down La Jolla Colony Drive and get to the bike 
>>path.  They could get to the bike path via this extension.
>>
>>I thought this road is a fire access road but I am not sure.  It 
>>has that deep dip that I can't imagine a fire truck getting through.
>>
>>--Steve McNeil.
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [ 
>>mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Jim Baross, Jr.
>>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:18 PM
>>To: Gene Carman; SDCBC
>>Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Bogota vs. San Diego
>>
>>Which one(s) first?
>>My recommendation - Hwy 52, to/from Hwy 5 as far east as 
>>possible/reasonable.
>>We've tried several times. This canyon non-route is probably one of 
>>the reasons SDCBC got started; a controversy w/the Sierra Club when 
>>15 went in.
>>Maybe there are other sites?
>>At 02:05 PM 3/30/2008, Gene Carman wrote:
>>
>>>Actually a bikepath "hiway" along the same routes of the existing 
>>>freeways would probably serve the largest population in the area 
>>>due to population growth that tends to occur along 
>>>freeways.  Cyclists want to go to the same locations as drivers.
>>>In many cases, there is a wider amount of land dedicated to the 
>>>freeway right of way then is actually used for freeway...  a 
>>>single bikepath can be created in less space then 2 new lanes on a 
>>>freeway, and along the same right of way.   Adding a 10 foot wide 
>>>bikepath can reduce the traffic load on a freeway more then adding 
>>>two 10 foot wide lanes to a Freeway can reduce congestion.
>>>Funding should come from the same agencies that fund 
>>>Freeways...  bike transportation facilities are simply another 
>>>form of public transportation.
>>>OK, I've answered all the questions...  when do we get started?
>>>
>>>At 10:13 AM 3/30/2008, Jim Baross, Jr. wrote:
>>>>I'm happy and supportive of Eric's inspirations! Speaking in 
>>>>generalities, this sounds and could be wonderful... though you 
>>>>are likely to read responses about how it couldn't or shouldn't be done.  :-(
>>>>To seriously act on the inspiration - one that isn't BTW new to 
>>>>many of us - something besides dreaming and typing needs doing, right?
>>>>Now, a few task suggestions. Figure out exactly where you think 
>>>>such a proposal would work in the San Diego area; a Bike Path or 
>>>>maybe a Bicycle Boulevard or ? .. connecting what and following 
>>>>or creating what route... then maybe think about/research an 
>>>>estimate of costs 'cause besides location, cost matters big time! 
>>>>You might be ready then with a proposal that SDCBC, an 
>>>>individual, or ? would propose to the site-owning agency for 
>>>>funding. Sound exciting? Good, then do it.
>>>>It's sort of useless to debate the generalities between facility 
>>>>types when it's the specific site and uses that make for bigger 
>>>>differences, IMHO. Let's get specific.
>>>>* Ban all but bikes, transit and delivery vehicles in a downtown 
>>>>area?... or impose single-occupancy vehicle use taxes for 
>>>>downtown like London has?
>>>>* Create a Bike Path/MUP/Bike Boulevard linking Mid City or 
>>>>UCSD/SDSU or ? to Downtown or University Town Center/La Mesa or ?
>>>>* what?
>>>>Jim (likes dreams, lives reality) Baross
>>>>At 01:52 AM 3/30/2008, Eric Converse wrote:
>>>>>I've been inspired.  These recent discussions on bicycle paths 
>>>>>have led me to create the following blog entry:
>>>>>San Diego and Bogota Columbia (a bicyle path comparison):
>>>>><http://www.ativsolutions.com/cblog>www.ativsolutions.com/cblog
>>>>>In short, you'll notice that Bogota (serving a much larger, and 
>>>>>poorer, population) does a couple of things we don't do 
>>>>>here.  Their bicycle paths are contiguous and are routed through 
>>>>>major population centers.  While many of our bicycle paths, 
>>>>>while pretty (riding next to the water mainly),are often 
>>>>>fragmented with huge gaps between them.  What we need are long 
>>>>>continuous paths (much like our freeway system) that provide a 
>>>>>backbone for this city's bicycle transportation 
>>>>>network.  Needless to say we won't always be on a bicycle path 
>>>>>no matter how good we make the system, but we can provide a 
>>>>>network that links the city together and serves vastly more people.
>>>>>Can't we do at least as good as a poor city in a third world country?
>>>>>Eric
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