[SDCBC] Chris You are right on

[J. W. Stump]

Chris
You are right on.  

If there were four Ghost Bikes at an intersection maybe the conditions would change.  This is a very high price to pay to regain the lost streets.

All the best
John Stump
4133 Poplar
City Heights, California 92105

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Gruenwald 
  To: J. W. Stump ; JonIsaacs at aol.com ; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org 
  Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:54 PM
  Subject: RE: [SDCBC] Every Ghost Bike is A Caution


  Hello,

  A ghost-bike sounds like a good idea if the person responsible for the site (maybe the property owner) agress with the idea of placing such a monument on their property.     

  I am afraid that many land owners / managers would not agree with the idea because Ghost-Bikes are obtrusive and bring up an unpleasant (but sad and important) memory.

  It might be easier to place a less obtrusive monument wherever a fellow biker has "fallen" - maybe something that would be less obtrusive and maybe a little more permanent.   I could even see placing less obtrusive markers at older sites that might not have any marker now.

  Each time a marker is placed it could raise awareness and stir interest in older markers too.

  Chris



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  From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of J. W. Stump
  Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:33 PM
  To: JonIsaacs at aol.com; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
  Subject: [SDCBC] Every Ghost Bike is A Caution


  Every Ghost Bike is A Caution

  Every Ghost Bike is a caution and a safety reminder for riders and drivers.  Maybe the Ghost Bike should have a broken light and mini stop sign?

  I do not know the whole story of what happened here.  Did the rider ride out into a normal well designed intersection and was stuck by an attentive slow moving car or the traffic signal mis timed and mis focused for bike riders; so that a driver talking on the phone and driving in excess of a safe speed hit him?  Unless you think it was suicide there may be more to the story than a anti-bike biased witness had to say.

  I just do not know yet.  I do know that if I was driving in the City and had a burnt out car head light I do not think that gives everyone a free license to kill me.

  All the best
  John Stump
  4133 Poplar
  City Heights, California 92105


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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: JonIsaacs at aol.com 
    To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org 
    Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:32 PM
    Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Monuments are for the living -Ghost Bikes


    In a message dated 9/21/2007 10:02:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jwstump at cox.net writes:


      Jim,

      Monuments are for the living.  A Ghost Bike reminds us of the conflict and may advance the struggle.

      All the best
      John
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    Hi:

    Maybe there would be a way to incorporate a message in the GHOST BIKE that it is wise to have a light at night and not run stop signs...

    It would seem like that might be a good message that this sadly departed cyclist could convey to those still on this side.

    Just a thought...

    Jon





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