From jwstump at cox.net Sun Sep 2 01:34:29 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (J. W. Stump) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:34:29 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Red Ball or Blue Ball False Dichotomy References: <003d01c7ea7f$dbb86730$93293590$@org> <7.0.1.0.2.20070829153459.080fd6f8@qualcomm.com> Message-ID: <001a01c7ed22$eee11d70$6401a8c0@MEXICANSUNRISE> Red Ball or Blue Ball False Dichotomy Dear Friends, CALTRANS is presenting you with a false dichotomy it is not only a choice of an undercrossing or an overcrossing. These guys always want to give you only two competing choices. Does baby want the Red Ball or Blue Ball? No maybe we want something else or have it all. This is a multi billion dollar project. The environment may demand an undercrossing which can also have a trail and path. Bikes and walkers may be served by both . Make sure you ask for the patrol car width or you will end up with a one lane narrow path. 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Absent such written agreement no claim for fees will be made and no legal action taken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Brooks To: Wade Blomgren Cc: Sdcbc Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] SR56-Sorrento Valley Road connector I'm with Wade--something rideable sooner is better than waiting for all the bells and whistles in ten years. Tim At 03:09 PM 8/29/2007, Wade Blomgren wrote: To me it hinges on how vulnerable the undercrossing would be to extended closure from flooding. I assume the bridge option will be much more expensive. Since either solution is probably many dollars and years from actually being implemented (along those lines, how long is it going to take Caltrans to restore the 50 meters of asphalt at the north end of SVR to make that section all-weather and less sketchy on narrow tires????....that's got to be going on 10 years or more now ), it seems to me lobbying for some relatively dirt cheap improvements to the current bike path terminus would make a lot of sense. A curb cut and some asphalt on the east side of ECR would accommodate entry from and exit to southbound ECR, and repaving of the ragged existing ramp (there's already a curb cut), and ideally, some realignment as to pitch and switchback angle of the ramp on the west side would improve that transition. As I'm sure Serge would agree, it's not all that hard to get to SVR from there via El Camino Real and Carmel Valley Road. Or, if you're ultimately headed south through Sorrento Valley, it's not that big a deal to just go on up ECR and turn right on Carmel Mountain, probably less arduous than a 7.7% bridge, and if you're going the other way (out Carmel Valley road to the beach), the 50 yards going past the park&ride you'd get on SVR isn't of much additional use compared to the aforementioned taking of ECR direct to Carmel Valley Road. I realize the roadway transitions aren't necessarily practical for, say, kids on training wheels, but at this point SVR itself isn't much of a destination unless you're headed for a tour of the sewer pump station. I would hope that such obvious and inexpensive improvement to the current transitions wouldn't impede further consideration of extending the class 1 facility, but frankly even if it does I think it's worth it - those transitions are needed regardless of how they decide to deal with the freeway. Wade On 8/29/07, Kathy Keehan wrote: > > > > > Your input needed! > > We've been asked to provide comments for a feasibility study for the > connection between the west end of the 56 bike path and Sorrento Valley > Road. As many of you know, there's a giant freeway in the way there, and the > City and Caltrans are looking for ways to get bicyclists across. > > There are a couple of options, basically one over the freeway and one under > it. Which do you like better? > > The bridge would be your typical 12 foot wide bike/ped bridge over the > freeway. It would be about 17 feet above the traffic at a minimum, and would > have 6.5% and 7.7% grades for the approaches (200 to 400 feet long depending > on the design), and 90 degree turns at each end of the bridge. > > The undercrossing would go under I-5, with a minimum vertical clearance of 8 > foot 3 inches. There will be concerns about water (particularly in wet > years), lighting, and security. The grades down to the undercrossing would > be about 7.5% for a couple hundred feet, then up at about 3% for about 80 > feet. It will have a fairly sharp turn on the west side of the freeway to > connect to existing Sorrento Valley Road. > > Bridge ? less potential maintenance, open even in wet weather, uphill both > ways, over noisy auto traffic/fumes > > Undercrossing ? downhill both ways, quieter, more potential maintenance, > potential to be closed in wet weather > > Which do you prefer? > > Kathy > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Kathy Keehan > > Executive Director > > San Diego County Bicycle Coalition > > P.O. Box 34544 > > San Diego, CA 92163 > > 858.487.6063 > > execdir at sdcbc.org > > www.sdcbc.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as wblomgren at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as timbrooks at global.t-bird.edu To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jwstump at cox.net To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070902/a3bfda55/attachment-0001.html From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Mon Sep 3 10:33:57 2007 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:33:57 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SD Padres launch Bicycle Parking Pavilion and announce Pedal to the Park Message-ID: The Padres pilot program for cyclists, with goals for top-quality national recognition, was launched yesterday. The paragraph below was included in the Padres Game Notes for media. Coalition representatives Kathy Keehan, Stephan Vance, and Dave White were on hand for the opening, which served 31 bikes. We also were included in a live TV spot on the Pavilion on the Ch 4SD pre-game show Friday evening, with Petco Park GM Richard Andersen. The Pavilion will be open for the remaining day games for the 2007 regular season (dates below). After significant Coalition effort in advocacy, concept development and persuasion, we can only hope that participation during the pilot program supports the notion that the security, safety, and convenience of the staffed Pavilion will receive substantial endorsement from fans who own bikes (and cyclists who are occasional attendees of a baseball game). The type and scope of continuation of the service will be evaluated during the off-season based upon usage figures from the pilot. The only way to indicate support is to use the service. You might think of it as voting with your bike. You can also imagine the spin-off effect that will rub off on other downtown and local area businesses and venues. We hope and intend to spotlight the growth potential for the Padres Pavilion at Pedal to the Park, Sunday September 16th. Your participation in PTP Stage 2 will have a triple-fold benefit: * Petco Park Bicycle Parking Pavilion (register your vote) * Programs for cyclists with disabilities * SD County Bicycle Coalition This is a special event opportunity for area cyclists, and we need your support. Please invite your friends and join us for a Pedal to the Park on the 16th. Information and online registration access from http://pedaltothepark.com (click on "Register now for Stage 2") [San Diego Padres 2 Sep 07 Media Notes] TICKET TALK: The Padres and the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition have teamed up to provide a specially-designed bicycle pavilion at PETCO Park that debuted today?the secured bike parking area is located at the corner of Park Boulevard and Tony Gwynn Drive?it allows fans to ride their bikes to each of the remaining Padres home day games of 2007 (September 2, 16, 20 and 23)...the pavilion can accommodate hundreds of bikes?the Bicycle Coalition is presenting a ?Pedal to the Park? in conjunction with the Padres September 16 game (1:05 p.m. vs. San Francisco)?cyclists can register at pedaltothepark.com ?proceeds from the event will benefit cyclists with disabilities and the Bicycle Coalition. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Take action now to make sure that leadership understands the importance of complete streets. HOW: * Call Senator Don Perata in his district and Capitol office (510) 286-1333- District (916) 651-4009- Capitol * Call Senator Carole Migden in her district and Capitol office (415) 479-6612- District (916) 651-4003- Capitol * Call your Senator and let them know why AB 1358 is so important. Click here to find your Senator's contact information (or go to http://leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html) WHAT TO SAY: * AB 1358 is the key to meeting greenhouse gas reduction targets * Planning safe streets and roads is crucial for children, seniors, pedestrians, and bicyclists More info at www.calbike.org . K.C. Butler California Bicycle Coalition Executive Director (916)446-7558 www.calbike.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kathy From: Deb Hubsmith [mailto:deb at saferoutespartnership.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:29 AM To: 'Brooke Driesse'; 'Deb Hubsmith' Subject: Urgent: AB57 Safe Routes to School funding was cut - make calls today Safe Routes to School AB57 Needs Your Help Today URGENT: Ask for the Funding to be Restored AB57 Safe Routes to School (Soto) needs your help today. http://www.saferoutespartnership.org/state/4373/california/6255 The bill would have continued the State's popular Safe Routes to School construction program at $24.25 million/year - which is what the state has been contributing for the past seven years. Unfortunately, last Thursday, the funding for the program was cut in Senate Appropriations. We need you to call Senator Perata's office and Senator Torlakson's office to ask that the funding be restored on the Senate Floor. This is urgent, otherwise there will be no additional funding for Safe Routes to School after the call for projects that will take place later this year. Please make these phone calls ASAP or California will set a horrible national precedent. * Call Senator Don Perata (President Pro Tem) at his Capitol office - (916) 651-4009 * Call Senator Tom Torlakson (Senate Appropriations Chairman) at his Capitol office - (916) 651-4007 Talking Points: * I'm calling to urge Senator _______ to restore the $24.25 million in funding for AB57, Safe Routes to School. * Caltrans' recent 2007 study shows that the State's Safe Routes to School program is working to increase walking and bicycling and decrease injuries and fatalities. It's popular, with more than five times the requests for each round of funding available. * The bill author (Soto) and Assembly Transportation Chairman Nava worked with Caltrans to amend the bill before going to the Senate - Caltrans proposed the $24.25 million/year amount (the average of seven years of prior state funding) and the source of the funding through the State Highway Account * More than 60 organizations are in support of this bill, and there is no opposition from organizations or government agencies. * If the state does not approve of AB57, Safe Routes to School funding in California will end - the last known funding for Safe Routes to School (from both federal and state sources) will be out to bid next month. California will set a national precedent in terms of what happens with this bill. Let's make it a good precedent that supports children's health. ______________________ Deb Hubsmith Director Safe Routes to School National Partnership ______________________ 415/454-7430 deb at saferoutespartnership.org http://www.saferoutespartnership.org PO Box 663 * Fairfax, CA * 94978 Don't miss the 1st Safe Routes to School National Conference: Creating, Building and Sustaining Momentum, November 5-7-2007. Sign up at: http://www.saferoutesmichigan.org/nationalconference.htm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070904/270b4414/attachment-0001.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Sep 4 17:45:30 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:45:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] New Bicycle Coalition office officially open! Message-ID: <000e01c7ef3c$eaa274e0$bfe75ea0$@org> It's official. The San Diego County Bicycle Coalition has opened an office for people to come, meet, work on Coalition business, volunteer, or just hang out. Come by and see us sometime! The office is located at 740 13th St, Suite 220. (the Art Center Building - corner of 13th and F in downtown San Diego) It's a security building, so either buzz (number 002) or just yell up to the windows to the right of the doorway - we'll let you in. We're sharing space with WalkSanDiego (thanks guys!!) so if you are lucky you'll get to meet their excellent staff when you come by, too. There's no bike parking on the street, yet, but you can bring your bike into the office. There's a nice big elevator to take it up, so you don't have to schlep it up the stairs. There's metered car parking on the street in front, and a pay lot at the corner of G and 13th. The trolley stops a few blocks away at Park and Market (come east a block and north about two blocks to get to the building). I'm planning on staffing the office Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Unless I'm in a meeting or otherwise engaged, I'll be there. I go to a lot of meetings, so if you want to make sure someone is going to be there, just give me a call. To inaugurate the space, we'll be having volunteer night (6:30 p.m. Wednesday, September 12) and the Coalition board meeting (7:00 p.m. Wednesday, September 26th) in the office. Feel free to come by early either night to have a bit of a drink and/or a snack and see our new home. We're still looking for a couple of things to really spiff up the place and make it so volunteers can come help - A computer for volunteers to use A storage cabinet Some desk chairs An upholstered reading chair Bicycling related books or reports/information about bicycling, especially in San Diego A floor pump and some hand tools for bicyclists who might come to visit A radio We have a library of materials for bicyclists, including newsletters from other organizations around the state and country, books about bike riding, racing, and maintenance, and project plans and reports about projects around the county. Most of the reports and newsletters need to stay in the office, but the books are available to checkout for Bicycle Coalition members. If you are interested in coming down to the office during the day to volunteer (there's some serious filing to do, and there's a project database that needs created and updated, and there's always research and design work to be done) just let me know and I'll be happy to arrange times! Hope to see you soon! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070904/dccbbe0a/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Office move in day 2007.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 232147 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070904/dccbbe0a/attachment-0001.jpg From rduquete at 911law.com Tue Sep 4 22:31:58 2007 From: rduquete at 911law.com (Richard Duquette) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:31:58 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] New Bicycle Coalition office officially open! In-Reply-To: <000e01c7ef3c$eaa274e0$bfe75ea0$@org> References: <000e01c7ef3c$eaa274e0$bfe75ea0$@org> Message-ID: <200709050232.l852W0b5000393@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> Hi Kathy What a great announcement. Congratulations ! I will send you a check for $150 dollars to help with the decorating & needs list. For all of your & the coalitions efforts, this is a small token of my appreciation. Best of luck Richard Duquette Carlsbad www.911law.com Bicycle Injury Trial Attorney Since 1983 At 02:45 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >It?s official. The San Diego County Bicycle >Coalition has opened an office for people to >come, meet, work on Coalition business, >volunteer, or just hang out. Come by and see us sometime! > >The office is located at 740 13th St, Suite 220. >(the Art Center Building ? corner of 13th and F >in downtown San Diego) It?s a security building, >so either buzz (number 002) or just yell up to >the windows to the right of the doorway ? we?ll >let you in. We?re sharing space with >WalkSanDiego (thanks guys!!) so if you are lucky >you?ll get to meet their excellent staff when you come by, too. > >There?s no bike parking on the street, yet, but >you can bring your bike into the office. There?s >a nice big elevator to take it up, so you don?t >have to schlep it up the stairs. >There?s metered car parking on the street in >front, and a pay lot at the corner of G and 13th. >The trolley stops a few blocks away at Park and >Market (come east a block and north about two blocks to get to the building). > >I?m planning on staffing the office Tuesdays, >Wednesdays, and Thursdays, 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 >p.m. Unless I?m in a meeting or otherwise >engaged, I?ll be there. I go to a lot of >meetings, so if you want to make sure someone is >going to be there, just give me a call. > >To inaugurate the space, we?ll be having >volunteer night (6:30 p.m. Wednesday, September >12) and the Coalition board meeting (7:00 p.m. >Wednesday, September 26th) in the office. Feel >free to come by early either night to have a bit >of a drink and/or a snack and see our new home. > >We?re still looking for a couple of things to >really spiff up the place and make it so volunteers can come help ? >A computer for volunteers to use >A storage cabinet >Some desk chairs >An upholstered reading chair >Bicycling related books or reports/information >about bicycling, especially in San Diego >A floor pump and some hand tools for bicyclists who might come to visit >A radio > >We have a library of materials for bicyclists, >including newsletters from other organizations >around the state and country, books about bike >riding, racing, and maintenance, and project >plans and reports about projects around the >county. Most of the reports and newsletters need >to stay in the office, but the books are >available to checkout for Bicycle Coalition members. > >If you are interested in coming down to the >office during the day to volunteer (there?s some >serious filing to do, and there?s a project >database that needs created and updated, and >there?s always research and design work to be >done) just let me know and I?ll be happy to arrange times! > >Hope to see you soon! > >Kathy >------------------------------------------ >Kathy Keehan >Executive Director >San Diego County Bicycle Coalition >P.O. Box 34544 >San Diego, CA 92163 >858.487.6063 >execdir at sdcbc.org >www.sdcbc.org > > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as rduquete at 911law.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the >mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org Richard L. Duquette Criminal Defense & Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070904/87e70fd5/attachment.html From tlettington at san.rr.com Wed Sep 5 01:34:46 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:34:46 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] New Bicycle Coalition office officially open! In-Reply-To: <000e01c7ef3c$eaa274e0$bfe75ea0$@org> References: <000e01c7ef3c$eaa274e0$bfe75ea0$@org> Message-ID: <200709050534.l855Y4S7022937@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> Kathy, Count on me for the following: 1) Repair stand 2) Floor Pump 3) Computer for volunteers 4) Documentation to serve as source for project database (I think you know what I mean). - Tom At 02:45 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >It?s official. The San Diego County Bicycle >Coalition has opened an office for people to >come, meet, work on Coalition business, >volunteer, or just hang out. Come by and see us sometime! > >The office is located at 740 13th St, Suite 220. >(the Art Center Building ? corner of 13th and F >in downtown San Diego) It?s a security building, >so either buzz (number 002) or just yell up to >the windows to the right of the doorway ? we?ll >let you in. We?re sharing space with >WalkSanDiego (thanks guys!!) so if you are lucky >you?ll get to meet their excellent staff when you come by, too. > >There?s no bike parking on the street, yet, but >you can bring your bike into the office. There?s >a nice big elevator to take it up, so you don?t >have to schlep it up the stairs. >There?s metered car parking on the street in >front, and a pay lot at the corner of G and 13th. >The trolley stops a few blocks away at Park and >Market (come east a block and north about two blocks to get to the building). > >I?m planning on staffing the office Tuesdays, >Wednesdays, and Thursdays, 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 >p.m. Unless I?m in a meeting or otherwise >engaged, I?ll be there. I go to a lot of >meetings, so if you want to make sure someone is >going to be there, just give me a call. > >To inaugurate the space, we?ll be having >volunteer night (6:30 p.m. Wednesday, September >12) and the Coalition board meeting (7:00 p.m. >Wednesday, September 26th) in the office. Feel >free to come by early either night to have a bit >of a drink and/or a snack and see our new home. > >We?re still looking for a couple of things to >really spiff up the place and make it so volunteers can come help ? >A computer for volunteers to use >A storage cabinet >Some desk chairs >An upholstered reading chair >Bicycling related books or reports/information >about bicycling, especially in San Diego >A floor pump and some hand tools for bicyclists who might come to visit >A radio > >We have a library of materials for bicyclists, >including newsletters from other organizations >around the state and country, books about bike >riding, racing, and maintenance, and project >plans and reports about projects around the >county. Most of the reports and newsletters need >to stay in the office, but the books are >available to checkout for Bicycle Coalition members. > >If you are interested in coming down to the >office during the day to volunteer (there?s some >serious filing to do, and there?s a project >database that needs created and updated, and >there?s always research and design work to be >done) just let me know and I?ll be happy to arrange times! > >Hope to see you soon! > >Kathy >------------------------------------------ >Kathy Keehan >Executive Director >San Diego County Bicycle Coalition >P.O. Box 34544 >San Diego, CA 92163 >858.487.6063 >execdir at sdcbc.org >www.sdcbc.org > From execdir at sdcbc.org Wed Sep 5 13:52:50 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:52:50 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bayshore Bikeway on City of San Diego Planning Commission meeting tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. Message-ID: <000d01c7efe5$960815d0$c2184170$@org> The Bayshore Bikeway Western Salt project (that segment of bikeway to be constructed between 13th and Main down at the south end of the bay as an alternate to Palm Avenue), is going before City of San Diego Planning Commission tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. The meeting is at 202 C St, 12th floor, Council Chambers. So far things are looking ok, but the historic resources folks want us to pave over the tracks rather than taking them out (now that they are historic, you know.) which we think will probably be a maintenance issue down the line when the ties start to deteriorate. Hopefully Planning Commission will support the project and recommend approval of the project and the EIR, but a few bike voices would probably help the cause. Please let me know if you might be able to attend this meeting! Also, please mark your calendars for September 18th, when the bikeway goes to the San Diego City Council for approval and certification of the EIR. Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070905/07723805/attachment.html From jwstump at cox.net Thu Sep 6 01:19:38 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (J. W. Stump) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:19:38 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bayshore Bikeway on San Diego Council Agenda September 18th References: <000d01c7efe5$960815d0$c2184170$@org> Message-ID: <006501c7f045$85a2d800$6401a8c0@MEXICANSUNRISE> I do not know what else is on the 18th City Council agenda but there should be an hour or so of testimony on the equal rights for gay couple issue. I know we will find mutual friends and supporters among those there for this civil rights movement. All the best John Stump Council splits on gay-marriage motion By Jennifer Vigil STAFF WRITER September 5, 2007 SAN DIEGO - A measure to offer support for same-sex marriage in a case pending before the state Supreme Court failed yesterday, but the San Diego City Council will return to the divisive topic in two weeks. The City Council tied 4-4 on the motion calling for a brief to be filed with the court. The deadlock initially killed the measure. Council President Scott Peters and council members Toni Atkins, Ben Hueso and Jim Madaffer voted in favor, while Kevin Faulconer, Donna Frye, Brian Maienschein and Tony Young voted in opposition. None of the council members who voted no expressed their thoughts on same-sex marriage. Frye instead said she thought the public had not been allowed enough of an opportunity for input. Her motion to postpone the decision, in hopes of drawing more public participation, failed. Atkins and Madaffer argued in favor of the city sending notice of its support for same-sex couples to the court. Atkins opposed delaying consideration of the issue, but she relented by early evening, calling on Peters to give the council a second chance to review it. He complied, and said he will schedule it for Sept. 18. Though not a party to the case, San Diego was considering joining other city governments, including Los Angeles, San Jose and Oakland, in formally notifying the court of their support for homosexual couples receiving the right to marry. Three years ago, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom began issuing marriage licenses for gay couples. The city was forced to stop the practice, which led to the litigation. Those in favor of same-sex marriages prevailed in 2005, but an appeals court overturned the decision a year ago. The state Supreme Court will review that ruling. Supporters argued to the council that all couples should be allowed to marry so they are treated equally under the law. Opponents contended that marriage is an institution reserved for men and women. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Vigil: (619) 718-5069; jennifer.vigil at uniontrib.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Keehan To: 'Sdcbc' Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: [SDCBC] Bayshore Bikeway on City of San Diego Planning Commissionmeeting tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. The Bayshore Bikeway Western Salt project (that segment of bikeway to be constructed between 13th and Main down at the south end of the bay as an alternate to Palm Avenue), is going before City of San Diego Planning Commission tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. The meeting is at 202 C St, 12th floor, Council Chambers. So far things are looking ok, but the historic resources folks want us to pave over the tracks rather than taking them out (now that they are historic, you know.) which we think will probably be a maintenance issue down the line when the ties start to deteriorate. Hopefully Planning Commission will support the project and recommend approval of the project and the EIR, but a few bike voices would probably help the cause. Please let me know if you might be able to attend this meeting! Also, please mark your calendars for September 18th, when the bikeway goes to the San Diego City Council for approval and certification of the EIR. Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. 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It would be very helpful if some bicyclists can be present at the City Council meeting which right now is scheduled for September 18th - the meeting starts at 10:00 a.m. Please let me know if you are able to attend! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070906/537a4637/attachment.html From pje at efgh.com Thu Sep 6 20:03:04 2007 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:03:04 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Safer mountain biking in MTRP Message-ID: <46E09538.8010708@efgh.com> Mountain bikers in Mission Trails Regional Park have always run the risk of being blown to bits by leftover ordinance from World War II artillery practice ;-). Now something is being done about this menace: http://www.efgh.com/temp/30901.jpg -- Philip Erdelsky From JonIsaacs at aol.com Thu Sep 6 20:12:44 2007 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:12:44 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] Parking on Genesee in Bike Lane Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2007 10:58:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jrizzo at sandiego.gov writes: > Please have a TR created for the installation of bike lane standards at > the beginning of the block and to contact PD for enforcement and > investigate the location to answer the question regarding Jon's > assumption on the rest of Genesee. > > Joel > > Joel Rizzo, Jr. > ------ Joel et. al: When I rode through there Tuesday, the BIKE LANE/NO PARKING sign was up and the traffic lanes (including the bike lane!!) were free of parked cars. Thanks Jon Isaacs ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070906/b040805d/attachment.html From jwstump at cox.net Thu Sep 6 20:24:05 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (J. W. Stump) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:24:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Genesee Rose Canyon Bike Lanes & BRT References: Message-ID: <00ec01c7f0e5$668ecc80$6401a8c0@MEXICANSUNRISE> Friends, On Tuesday the City Council voted to proceed with final design of the Rose Canyon Bridge. I understand that many want to fight this bridge on Regents Road, I am happy to help. This is also the time to make sure that the Rose Canyon Bridge includes first class pedestrian, bicycle and mass transit facilities. It would be wrong to design a bridge that was cars only and could not support Bus Rapid Transit or Trolley. Please get involved in these designs. All the best John Stump 4133 Poplar City Heights, California 92105 This information is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. No promise of action or legal representation is made by receipt of this message. Sender's intent is to discuss matters generally in a hypothetical manner. A written agreement of legal representation, signed by all parties, is required to form a new valid attorney client relationship. Absent such written agreement no claim for fees will be made and no legal action taken. ----- Original Message ----- From: JonIsaacs at aol.com To: jrizzo at sandiego.gov Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Parking on Genesee in Bike Lane In a message dated 8/24/2007 10:58:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jrizzo at sandiego.gov writes: Please have a TR created for the installation of bike lane standards at the beginning of the block and to contact PD for enforcement and investigate the location to answer the question regarding Jon's assumption on the rest of Genesee. Joel Joel Rizzo, Jr. ------ Joel et. al: When I rode through there Tuesday, the BIKE LANE/NO PARKING sign was up and the traffic lanes (including the bike lane!!) were free of parked cars. 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070906/4f9794f5/attachment.html From jrizzo at sandiego.gov Fri Sep 7 11:25:11 2007 From: jrizzo at sandiego.gov (Joel Rizzo) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:25:11 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Parking on Genesee in Bike Lane Message-ID: Yes, Street Div took care of that last Fri, before a holiday weekend when short staffed! Joel Joel Rizzo, Jr. City of San Diego Engineering and Capital Projects Traffic Engineering Department Inter-Agency Coordination Bicycle Coordinator 1010 Second Av, Suite 1200 San Diego, CA 92101 t1: (619)533-3110 t2: (619)533-3400 f: (619)533-3071 >>> 9/6/2007 5:12 PM >>> In a message dated 8/24/2007 10:58:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jrizzo at sandiego.gov writes: > Please have a TR created for the installation of bike lane standards at > the beginning of the block and to contact PD for enforcement and > investigate the location to answer the question regarding Jon's > assumption on the rest of Genesee. > > Joel > > Joel Rizzo, Jr. > ------ Joel et. al: When I rode through there Tuesday, the BIKE LANE/NO PARKING sign was up and the traffic lanes (including the bike lane!!) were free of parked cars. Thanks Jon Isaacs ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From rob_leone at earthlink.net Sat Sep 8 10:11:17 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 07:11:17 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] No more parking on Genessee report. Message-ID: <46E2AD85.2050205@earthlink.net> Dear Everybody: Hello! Last night's commute included Genesee Northbround from Eastgate Mall to Campus Point Drive, at about 4:50 PM. There were no cars parked in the bike lane. And believe me, I'd have phoned it in to the cops if there were one, becuase I was still in a mood after being honked by a speedy 18-wheeler on Miramar.... Robert Leone From slowrie at san.rr.com Sat Sep 8 20:37:12 2007 From: slowrie at san.rr.com (Suzanne Lowrie) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:37:12 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] adult tricycle Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20070908173225.0233ba78@pop-server.san.rr.com> Dear Cyclists: I'm 64 and I just bought an adult tricycle. I'm very excited but scared. Are there any tricycle groups that snail around the UTC area or around UCSD/Shiley Eye Clinic on weekends? I'm going back to Wal-Mart to buy a bike bell, a bike pump, two bike locks, and a helmet. I also bought a 21 speed but I need to practice on the trike first. I would also appreciate learning where to download the bike laws. I haven't ridden since 5th grade and that was a long long time ago. I don't know what laws I need to learn nor where I buy a bike license. Cordially, Suzi From zpcallahan at wildmail.com Sat Sep 8 22:20:43 2007 From: zpcallahan at wildmail.com (Pauline Callahan) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:20:43 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] adult tricycle Message-ID: <6F1076465B91B2C4DA804CA73FA7419E@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> Hi Suzi, Instead of going to Walmart, try a local Bike Shop for those items. While you are there, ask around about cycling groups. I do not know personally of a trike group, but there are some begining groups you could ride with that will help you with the laws and safe riding techniques as well. I would also recommend you to take a ROAD I class, that would help you a great deal. Pauline Callahan ****************************************************************************** Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things! http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million members! From rob_leone at earthlink.net Sun Sep 9 08:54:03 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:54:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] adult tricycle In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20070908173225.0233ba78@pop-server.san.rr.com> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20070908173225.0233ba78@pop-server.san.rr.com> Message-ID: <46E3ECEB.2050205@earthlink.net> Dear Suzanne: Hello and welcome! I envy you the tricycle -- I don't have room for one in the apartment, but standard adult trikes definitely have much more room for carrying home groceries compared to most road bikes. I would strongly advise using your local bike shop (LBS) to address your needs -- you're trusting your life to the build quality of your trikes and bikes. I've seen bikes built up by the staff at major mass retailers that have had misaligmed parts, including brakes that wouldn't brake. It'd probably be better to get a bike assembled by someone who also fixes them: Bike mechanics know brake adjustmests very well, and they can fix up mistakes made at the factory. Even the lowest level floor pump or carry-on-your bike pump from local bike shops can be adjusted to fit both of the major forms (in the US) of bike tire valves, Schraeder (which is also the standard auto tire valve) and Presta (the skinny valve often seen on road bikes and now some mountain bikes too). Most major retailer's pumps are Schraeder only. Let me amplify what Ms. Callahan advised: Take the Road One class. It's great. Not only are bike and traffic laws covered, but also tire repair and minor mechanical matters. I'd been an active commuting cyclist for two decades before I took Road One, and I learned a few new things! Robert Leone Suzanne Lowrie wrote: > Dear Cyclists: > I'm 64 and I just bought an adult tricycle. I'm very excited but scared. > Are there any tricycle groups that snail around the UTC area or around > UCSD/Shiley Eye Clinic on weekends? I'm going back to Wal-Mart to buy a > bike bell, a bike pump, two bike locks, and a helmet. I also bought a 21 > speed but I need to practice on the trike first. I would also appreciate > learning where to download the bike laws. I haven't ridden since 5th grade > and that was a long long time ago. I don't know what laws I need to learn > nor where I buy a bike license. > Cordially, > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as rob_leone at earthlink.net > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > From gcarman at san.rr.com Sun Sep 9 10:51:19 2007 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:51:19 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] regarding Road 1 and LBSs In-Reply-To: <46E3ECEB.2050205@earthlink.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20070908173225.0233ba78@pop-server.san.rr.com> <46E3ECEB.2050205@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200709091359.l89DxmxD007408@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Shortly after taking Road 1 and Road 2 myself, (a couple of years ago) I went to several LBSs (Local Bike Shops) and asked around to see if anyone was familiar with "bike safety classes" or "training classes." I asked several employees each shop if they had any knowledge of cyclist classes. The response I got were shrugged shoulders and comments like "why would anyone need such a class?" The only classes anyone knew about were associated with the velodrome and racing. While the LBS is a great place to get good bike gear and have it serviced, they are sadly unaware of the training available through SDCBC. This is not to say that there are not shops around that do know of Road 1 and Road 2, but I find them the exception rather than the rule. From JimBaross at cox.net Mon Sep 10 01:49:25 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:49:25 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] adult tricycle In-Reply-To: <46E3ECEB.2050205@earthlink.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20070908173225.0233ba78@pop-server.san.rr.com> <46E3ECEB.2050205@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909224058.035aafd8@cox.net> Suzanne: Welcome to bicycling, truly a lifetime activity and maybe some adventures too! I'm going on 62 and just rode across the USA this summer! Ta da! The SDCBC offers Ride and Learn events each month. Info on these is at www.sdcbc.org under the "events" heading. The classes are described on the web page too. Give Kathy Keehan at SDCBC a call to get an idea of what to expect on these rides... and the classes. Is your adult tricycle a sit-up/upright or recumbent/reclining position bike? Is it a "delta" style (two wheels in the back) or "tadpole" (two wheels in the front? I have and uses several delta style uprights for grocery and light hauling around the neighborhood. They can be easily tipped over when steered into a tight turn at moderate or high speed so be careful! Jim B At 05:54 AM 9/9/2007, Robert Leone wrote: >Dear Suzanne: > Hello and welcome! I envy you the tricycle -- I don't have > room for one >in the apartment, but standard adult trikes definitely have much more >room for carrying home groceries compared to most road bikes. > I would strongly advise using your local bike shop (LBS) to address >your needs -- you're trusting your life to the build quality of your >trikes and bikes. I've seen bikes built up by the staff at major mass >retailers that have had misaligmed parts, including brakes that wouldn't >brake. It'd probably be better to get a bike assembled by someone who >also fixes them: Bike mechanics know brake adjustmests very well, and >they can fix up mistakes made at the factory. > Even the lowest level floor pump or carry-on-your bike pump > from local >bike shops can be adjusted to fit both of the major forms (in the US) of >bike tire valves, Schraeder (which is also the standard auto tire valve) >and Presta (the skinny valve often seen on road bikes and now some >mountain bikes too). Most major retailer's pumps are Schraeder only. > Let me amplify what Ms. Callahan advised: Take the Road One > class. It's >great. Not only are bike and traffic laws covered, but also tire repair >and minor mechanical matters. I'd been an active commuting cyclist for >two decades before I took Road One, and I learned a few new things! > >Robert Leone > > >Suzanne Lowrie wrote: > > Dear Cyclists: > > I'm 64 and I just bought an adult tricycle. I'm very excited but scared. > > Are there any tricycle groups that snail around the UTC area or around > > UCSD/Shiley Eye Clinic on weekends? I'm going back to Wal-Mart to buy a > > bike bell, a bike pump, two bike locks, and a helmet. I also bought a 21 > > speed but I need to practice on the trike first. I would also appreciate > > learning where to download the bike laws. I haven't ridden since 5th grade > > and that was a long long time ago. I don't know what laws I need to learn > > nor where I buy a bike license. > > Cordially, > > Suzi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as rob_leone at earthlink.net > > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jimbaross at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Sep 11 12:17:10 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:17:10 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night this Wednesday, September 12th Message-ID: <004a01c7f48f$3521d9a0$9f658ce0$@org> Don't forget volunteer night this Wednesday, September 12, 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at our DOWNTOWN OFFICE - 740 13th St, Suite 220. 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070911/804b194a/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Thu Sep 13 02:32:17 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:32:17 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Urgent: AB57 Safe Routes to School on Governor's Desk - Please Call with Your Support Message-ID: <004001c7f5cf$d4b733c0$7e259b40$@org> From: Deb Hubsmith [mailto:deb at saferoutespartnership.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:44 PM To: deb at saferoutespartnership.org Subject: Urgent: AB57 Safe Routes to School on Governor's Desk - Please Call with Your Support ACTION ALERT AB57 SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL ON GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER'S DESK CALL (916-445-2841) and FAX (916-445-4633) WITH YOUR SUPPORT ASAP The Safe Routes to School National Partnership, the sponsor of the State of California's Safe Routes to School bill, AB57 (Soto), urges you to take action as soon as possible to call and fax Governor Schwarzenegger's office to urge him to sign AB57. On September 12, 2007, AB57 was enrolled by the State Legislature, and is now on the Governor's desk. In Senate Appropriations on August 30, the committee struck the language from the bill requiring that the Governor include $24.25 million for Safe Routes to School (SR2S) in each year's budget; Senate leaders contend that they like SRTS but that it's better fiscal policy to not have ongoing appropriations. The bill is still extremely important as it will: 1) enable $52 million in existing SR2S funding to be spent after January 1, 2008 (the date that the current SR2S state bill expires), 2) allow for federal SR2S funds to be swapped for state funds (easing administrative burdens on local agencies), and 3) create a framework for state SR2S funding to be included in the state budget. We urge ALL supporters of Safe Routes to School to contact Governor Schwarzenegger's office as soon as possible with your support for AB57. It is critical that the Governor understands the depth of popular support for this important program. After faxing or mailing your letter, follow-up by calling the Governor and leaving a message of your support. If the fax number is busy throughout the day, just mail your letter. See a sample support letter below. Please make sure to make the phone call to show your support for AB57. Thank you. Sample AB57 (Soto) Support Letter to Governor Schwarzenegger Note: Please personalize your letter if possible. If you represent an organization, there is language included in italics for you to use. If you represent an individual please do send a letter, just don't use the language in italics. Fill in the ______ spaces as appropriate. September __, 2007 The Honorable Arnold Schwarzenegger Governor of California State Capitol Sacramento, CA 95814 Phone: 916-445-2841 Fax: 916-445-4633 Re: SIGN AB57 (Soto): Safe Routes to School Dear Governor Schwarzenegger: I'm writing in support of AB57, Safe Routes to School. I represent the XXXXXX, an organization whose mission is to XXXXXXXX. We urge you to sign the bill so that it will become law. Safe Routes to School is a popular program that first came into existence in California through state legislation that was approved in 1999. A recent report by Caltrans shows that through the construction of sidewalks, pathways and other safety improvements, the program is working to decrease injuries and fatalities and to get more children walking and bicycling to schools. This helps to increase physical activity and combat childhood obesity, one of your key priorities. In my local community of ____________, Safe Routes to School funds have been used to ______________________________. The program has helped to improve safety and _______________________. AB57 will create a framework for the future use of state funds for the Safe Routes to School program as part of the annual budget process. Over the past seven years, the state has dedicated an average of $24.25 million for Safe Routes to School each year. I hope that you will sign AB57 and include such a budget provision in your proposed January budget. Safe Routes to School is important for creating healthy communities and supporting the health, safety, and mobility of children in California. I look forward to your support. Sincerely, Name Address ______________________ Deb Hubsmith Director Safe Routes to School National Partnership ______________________ 415/454-7430 deb at saferoutespartnership.org http://www.saferoutespartnership.org PO Box 663 * Fairfax, CA * 94978 Don't miss the 1st Safe Routes to School National Conference: Creating, Bu ilding and Sustaining Momentum, November 5-7-2007. Sign up at: http://www.saferoutesmichigan.org/nationalconference.htm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070913/0b8e0774/attachment-0001.html From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Thu Sep 13 11:02:28 2007 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:02:28 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Let's Pedal to the Park on Sunday Message-ID: <01a865cbf888e9cc4dde43e1a0eb4437@san.rr.com> It's not too late to register for Stage 2 at http://pedaltothepark.com If you are already registered, pass this invitation to friends. Pedal to the Park - a little different, a lotta fun ! From execdir at sdcbc.org Fri Sep 14 14:15:20 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:15:20 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bayshore Bikeway at City Council on September 18th, 2:00 p.m. Message-ID: <003201c7f6fb$3643b6a0$a2cb23e0$@org> Here we go! The San Diego City Council will be considering the Bayshore Bikeway Western Salt project (the bike path project along the railroad tracks from 13th St to Main at the southern tip of the bay). The meeting will be Tuesday, September 18th at 2:00 p.m. at City Hall - 202 C St, 12th floor. The Save Our Heritage Organization (SOHO) is objecting to the removal of the ties from the old rail line to construct the bike path. We have to remove the rotten ties so they don't degrade under the path and create a maintenance issue. Not to mention that saving the ties will cost an additional $177,000. But SOHO wants to keep the ties in place and are therefore opposing the bike path project. They will have many people at the meeting to speak against the bike path - we'll need bicyclists there to defend the project. You don't have to speak at the meeting, but filling out a slip that expresses support for the project and being there to stand up for the path will be a big help! If you can attend, please do so, and bring your helmet! If you need more info, don't hesitate to call or email me. Please forward this information to other bicyclists who might also be able to attend. Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070914/e8e3bb4d/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Fri Sep 14 14:29:57 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:29:57 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Oceanside San Luis Rey River Bike Path meeting Message-ID: <004401c7f6fd$41d33cf0$c579b6d0$@org> September 18th is a busy day in the bike world! Aside from the Bayshore Bikeway being at San Diego City Council, the City of Oceanside is having a public meeting on the eastern extension of the San Luis Rey River bike path. The meeting will be on Tuesday, September 18th at the Melba Bishop Recreation Center, 5306 N. River Road in Oceanside at 7:00 p.m. The meeting will be to discuss the bike path project east of College - particularly about fencing along the path behind some of the houses in the neighborhood, and about neighborhood access to the bike path. One potential alignment will be to route the riders through the neighborhood until the more difficult parts of the bike path along the river can be constructed. Some people don't like the idea of bicyclists traipsing through their neighborhood and are objecting to allowing the bike path to connect to the street network. Bicyclists who live in Oceanside and who want the bike path extended should make plans to attend the meeting if you can. Several volunteers in Oceanside have distributed flyers in the neighborhood pointing out the benefits of having the path and connections, and we got good response for the most part, but there are still people opposed to the path. Hopefully enough people can show up to convince the City of the importance of the path and the neighborhood connections! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070914/53a89302/attachment.html From rob_leone at earthlink.net Sat Sep 15 10:58:39 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:58:39 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] My letter to my Councilmember. Message-ID: <46EBF31F.90001@earthlink.net> Dear SDCBC: If I get this in the mail today, my Councilmember should have it on Monday.... Councilmember Kevin Faulconer 202 C Street, MS #10A San Diego, CA 92101 9/15/07 Dear Councilmemeber Faulconer: I am writing to urge your support for the Bayshore Bikeway Western Salt Works project (see supplemental docket for the September 18th Council meeting). Even though I live in Council District 2, I frequently bicycle along the Bayshore Bikeway for both recreation and transportation. Currently, the Bayshore Bikeway stretch between Chula Vista and Coronado requires riding in traffic on Palm Avenue. I'm an experienced cycling commuter, so I'm habituated to riding in traffic legally and safely. However, not all adult cyclists have the experience and training I've had, and not all cyclists are adults. In this case, a dedicated non-motorized transportation corridor would allow youth more opportunity for aerobic exercise, more range to travel by two wheels to visit friends, libraries and the significant environmental education resourses around the southern end of the San Diego Bay. A dedicated non-motorized transportation corridor would make family outings for picnics by bicycle more possible. A dedicated non-motorized transportation corridor would benefit others besides cyclists ? runners and rollerbladers would find their outing range increased. Bird watchers would have more access to the birds of the bay. The real value of the Bayshore Bikeway Western Salt Works project is that it joins two otherwise unconnected non-motorized transportation corridors, the Silver Strand and a bike path through Chula Vista. It makes riding long distances along the bay, for any reason (recreation, transportation, shopping, exercise) more tenable for all users, from elite marathoners and road racers in training to retirees on tricycles with full cargo baskets and their grandchildren on bikes with training wheels. Please support this project. Your constituent, Robert Leone END From rduquete at 911law.com Mon Sep 17 21:14:14 2007 From: rduquete at 911law.com (Richard Duquette) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:14:14 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Points of Contact Directory Message-ID: <200709180114.l8I1EEAV002573@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> List mates Does anyone know a local government resource directory that is bicycle specific. Im thinking of subject matters such as: 1.Road repair 2.Notice of defective or dangerous conditions 3.legislative contacts within the cities 4Traffic/engineering. With such a compilation, it would be easier to empower the public to take constructive action to protect bicyclists.Publishing it on a web page could be cost effective.If there is such an animal, could you point me in the right direction. Im writing an upcoming article for cyclists & this would be helpful content.Im leaning toward a tone of cooperation between the public & the government.One of my friends was just elevated to city manager in Oceanside.Hes an engineer & was a get a done type of guy, not to mention a cyclist.Moreover,it would be nice to know of cycle friendly contacts within the local government to facilitate constructive change. Thanks in advance Richard L. Duquette Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070917/a2a9313a/attachment.html From trevorspoke at cox.net Tue Sep 18 01:44:30 2007 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (Trevor Bourget) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:44:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Points of Contact Directory In-Reply-To: <200709180114.l8I1EEAV002573@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> References: <200709180114.l8I1EEAV002573@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070918054431.XBUV9743.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I don't know how other cities in the county work, but I know that City of San Diego does not have a single "point of contact", and it is my opinion that the "bicycle issue coordinator" is a fundamentally broken idea. In my experience, a useful article will do three things: 1. Be specific to a certain government agency (for example, City of Oceanside) 2. Explain one or two actual examples of discovering an issue, reporting it, tracking it, escalating it, etc to its conclusion. This should include the actual contact info used for that issue. 3. Explain how to generalize to other agencies (what kinds of differences might exist) and how to discover the system. It will be good to have a web page with a list of all of the government agencies (Caltrans district 11, SANDAG, the county, and the incorporated cities) and a pointer to their web presence. A glossary of terms for the layman would be perhaps useful: traffic engineering field engineering roadways capital improvement development services There are two kinds of bicyclists: those who have reported at least one problem and probably continue to report new ones they discover, and those who have never reported a single issue. It would be the goal of the article to get the average highway user over their first road hump: 1. Did they not know that they are supposed to be helping solve the problem, instead of just whining to their friends? 2. Are they unsure how to report the issue? 3. Are they cynical that their input will mean anything to anyone? A very useful resource you could think about developing, would be a GoogleMap annotated with known problem conditions. I think Portland has such an idea on their web site. Then people who know how to work the system don't have to be the same as the ones who go riding and know what to report. If we make known the URL of this resource to all local government agencies, it could be argued that they are immediately put on notice concerning hazards. This can only be better for cyclists to recover damages, and for agencies to react sooner and with better quality results to repair such hazards. Good luck in your continuing efforts to serve the real needs of the cycling public. -- Trevor p.s. I've been thinking of instituting a "pothole prize" along the route of the SDBC training rides. Every week hundreds of bicyclists ride the same route and point out the same issues to each other, yet nobody reports them. Imagine writing a note "to fix this pothole, call this number", wrapping in a $1 bill with a $.25 for weight, and dropping into the pothole. Perhaps each note could be different (to fix, visit this web site). Eventually the pothole would get somebody's attention, and perhaps make them a convert. It may be a "street person" who could use the $1 for themselves but would put the $.25 into a pay phone to get our street fixed. p.p.s. I asked the city to mill and roll the defect in the bike lane on San Dieguito Rd where SDBC paceline training occurs weekly. They didn't do that, but certainly its current condition is less dangerous than before. At 06:14 PM 9/17/2007, Richard Duquette wrote: >List mates > >Does anyone know a local government resource directory that is >bicycle specific. > >Im thinking of subject matters such as: > >1.Road repair >2.Notice of defective or dangerous conditions >3.legislative contacts within the cities >4Traffic/engineering. > >With such a compilation, it would be easier to empower the public to >take constructive action to protect bicyclists.Publishing it on a >web page could be cost effective.If there is such an animal, could >you point me in the right direction. > >Im writing an upcoming article for cyclists & this would be helpful >content.Im leaning toward a tone of cooperation between the public & >the government.One of my friends was just elevated to city manager >in Oceanside.Hes an engineer & was a get a done type of guy, not to >mention a cyclist.Moreover,it would be nice to know of cycle >friendly contacts within the local government to >facilitate constructive change. > >Thanks in advance > >Richard L. Duquette >Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 >Carlsbad, CA >760-730-0500 >www.911law.com >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as trevorspoke at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070918/1635be85/attachment-0001.html From gcarman at san.rr.com Tue Sep 18 09:14:59 2007 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:14:59 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Have you folks seen this report on cycling In-Reply-To: <20070918054431.XBUV9743.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02 .cox.net> References: <200709180114.l8I1EEAV002573@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> <20070918054431.XBUV9743.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <200709181315.l8IDFx0P023723@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> http://thunderheadalliance.org/pdf/benchmarking2007.pdf From serge at issakov.org Tue Sep 18 10:52:26 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:52:26 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Have you folks seen this report on cycling In-Reply-To: <200709181315.l8IDFx0P023723@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> References: <200709180114.l8I1EEAV002573@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> <20070918054431.XBUV9743.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <200709181315.l8IDFx0P023723@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0709180752h2ed04952i80e2850f3c38c25b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/07, Gene Carman wrote: > > http://thunderheadalliance.org/pdf/benchmarking2007.pdf > John Forester commented on it on the Yahoo Vehicular Cycling Advocacy group, Chainguard: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/chainguard/message/23482 Serge -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070918/c86b20fe/attachment.html From forester at johnforester.com Tue Sep 18 10:41:34 2007 From: forester at johnforester.com (John Forester) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:41:34 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Have you folks seen this report on cycling In-Reply-To: <200709181315.l8IDFx0P023723@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> References: <200709180114.l8I1EEAV002573@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com><20070918054431.XBUV9743.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox. net><200709181315.l8IDFx0P023723@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070918074024.02e34e20@johnforester.com> Here is the review of the Thunderhead report that I posted on chainguard a few days ago: The Thunderhead Alliance has just released a study of the amounts of bicycling and walking compared to many other statistics. It may be downloaded from: http://www.thunderheadalliance.org/benchmarking.htm The paper is based on the following assumption: "Strong policies to provide provisions for and promote cycling and walking can help transform communities into healthier and more livable places." This is not all, because the scope is widened beyond cycling and walking to include more aspects: "The bicycle and pedestrian advocacy movement and its partners for transit and disabled-rights have adopted the term 'complete streets' because it accurately frames the discussion to show that a street is not complete unless all modes of transport are provided for. A complete street provides safe access for pedestrians, cyclists, children, the elderly, disabled people, transit users, and motorists." "'Provisions' for cycling and walking are defined here as anything that provides for cyclists and pedestrians." I doubt that they mean "and", but rather "or", or "and/or"; just typical indeterminate thinking, lumping the two as if they belonged together, when sometimes they do (as on sidewalks) and other times they do not (as on roadways). "This includes [listing only the facilities] ... bicycle parking, bike/transit integration, bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure (such as sidewalks, paths, and bike lanes)". And, as usual, roadways are not counted as bicycling facilities, as if one should not cycle on roadways. Much of the paper is taken up with correlations between these facilities and the amounts of bicycling or walking measured in several ways. (There are also correlations between money and other variables.) No correlation was found between proportion of commuting cyclists and temperatures. High residential density is correlated with high share of commuting cyclists. The paper suggests that this is because distances are shorter, but it neglects the other typical fact that motoring is much less convenient in places with high residential density, which also typically have high commercial density. The authors cautiously suggest that high density of bicycle facilities (miles of bikeway per square mile of city) is correlated with higher commuting cyclist mode share. Oh, yes, cities with higher rates of cycling and walking have lower rates of car ownership. Sort of obvious, isn't it? And cities with much cycling have lower cyclist fatality rates and higher amounts of advocacy personnel and funding. And, would you believe it, bicycle shops are in greater density in cities that have more cycling! That is, of course, the problem with all of these correlations; there is no evidence that the entity that one wants to increase has been caused by the other. To put it crudely, the hypothesis that a high density of bicycle shops causes a large amount of cycling is absurd. Yet, bicycle advocates choose to believe that a high density of bikeways causes a large amount of cycling, even though there is no reason to believe that bikeways make cycling safer, more convenient, or better for children and other beginners. The causal relationship might well be the reverse, that a population with many cyclists and much cycling is more likely to be able to persuade its government to produce more bikeways. At least, that hypothetical causal connection is supported by the known political facts. The most persuasive relationship is that between high residential density and commuting cycling, for which the causal factors of shorter distances to travel and greater inconvenience of motoring are sufficient explanation. This means, of course, that if increasing the cycling volume were of highest priority, suburbia and the decentralized city would have to be demolished and cities would have to return to the style ante 1950. But the bicycle advocates have no plan, and have not the power, for accomplishing this; they merely dream their vision without realizing their impotence. Now consider the Complete Street phenomenon. "Safe access [to be provided] for pedestrians, cyclists, children, the elderly, disabled people, transit users, and motorists." Children, to be safe in the street? Elderly people, who presumably have lost some abilities they had as mature adults? Maybe they have lost the ability to find their way home? In what way are elderly people different from disabled people? Transit users? Do we have to have special facilities to keep buses out of collisions, or keep them from falling off bridges? And what differentiates the bus riders, once they dismount from the bus, from plain ordinary pedestrians; has riding on the bus destroyed their ability to obey the pedestrian rules? Or are these words a requirement for buses on every street? The whole thing is hokus-pocus built out of dreams. There are two classes of road user, drivers of wheeled vehicles and pedestrians, and two classes of facility, the roadway and the sidewalk, with crosswalks where one crosses the other. There should never be pedestrian traffic on the roadway, except when crossing it. Its presence signifies the absence of sidewalks, which should be present in most urban locations. One would think that wheeled vehicles should not be on the sidewalk, but this is not quite so. Wheeled vehicles that are operated according to pedestrian rules are acceptable, examples being wheelchairs (motorized or occupant-powered), baby carriages, children's bicycles, pushcarts or wheelbarrows for carrying loads. Just so long as they are operated according to pedestrian rules, they are acceptable, and there is good reason to have slopes instead of stairs or step-ups (as in curbs) to facilitate such operation. It is obvious that all sidewalk users have to be able to obey the pedestrian rules; people with disabilities or immaturity that prevent such operation are not safe for themselves or for others. Much the same applies to the roadway. Roadway users have to have the ability to operate according to the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles. Nobody has been able to design a useful road system that is safely used by both users who obey the rules of the road and users who do not obey the rules of the road. While bike-lane stripes are touted as producing such a roadway, that superstition has been conclusively disproved. In short, the idea of Complete Streets contributes nothing but confusion. John Forester, MS, PE Bicycle Transportation Engineer 7585 Church St. Lemon Grove, CA 91945-2306 619-644-5481 www.johnforester.com From jwstump at cox.net Tue Sep 18 12:12:39 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (J. W. Stump) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:12:39 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fw: ALERT 4 Weds: Charter changes at Rules Committee Message-ID: <001601c7fa0e$bce6ffd0$6401a8c0@MEXICANSUNRISE> From: Carolyn Chase To: City at sdearthtimes.net Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: ALERT 4 Weds: Charter changes at Rules Committee Alert: Please contact the members of the City Council Rules Committee (listed below) to ask that the proposals by City Attorney Mike Aguirre or community attorney John Stump should be referred to the full Council for discussion on whether or not they will be placed on the Feb 2008 ballot. Ask them to SUPPORT forwarding the proposals forward for discussion before the full City Council. (If you are not in one of the districts listed below, email anyway, since the issue is you'd like it to be heard by the full Council so your representative could consider these.) The Mayor's proposals for changes to the Charter will be heard later and will likely conflict with some of these. You might want to ask that they consider all of the proposals together soas to understand how the ballot would appear to voters. SUPPORT CALL FOR CHARTER CHANGE FOR RECYCLING You may want to weigh in on the individual topics listed below - and complain that the agenda did not provide links to more background info. The proposal for mandatory recycling has its flaws that could be fixed. But it is superior in concept to what the Mayor is proposing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AGENDA Committee on Rules, Open Government, and Intergovernmental Relations September 19, 2007 - 10am ITEM-1: Discussion of PROPOSED BALLOT MEASURES Submitted by Members of the Public and Independent Departments for Placement on the February 2008 Ballot: A. Proposals Submitted by the Public for the February 2008 Ballot: 1. Submission by John Stump proposing changes to charter sections related to eminent domain, city record keeping, Council Salaries, the Board of Education B. Proposals Submitted by the City Attorney: 1. Proposals by the City Attorney to place before the voters amendments to the City Charter related to the following: a. Mandatory recycling and a recycling services fee; b. An elected City Auditor; c. Subpoena Power for the City Attorney; and d. The right of the public to participate in government http://docs.sandiego.gov/ccagenda_rules_ogir/r070919%2520Rev.pdf ___________________________________________________________________________ MORE INFO: The eminent domain proposal would restrict the use of government takings of private property for private use and require that any such taking of private lands be only for public uses. The Council Salaries proposal is such that "Council pay shall not be better than the median for the people of San Diego." Current council pay: $75,358 + benefits Current median: $51,000 (approx) The city record keeping is to require reasonable costs for copying public records. The Board of Education proposal is for San Diego Unified School Board members to be "elected in the same manner as the City Council and with the same compensation" and that the Board be the same size as the Council. The San Diego City Charter controls the election process for San Diego City schools. Mr. Stump argues that, "this mini-gov't is the third largest local government in the region yet it has a part-time board with less representation that the City Council." I believe you can find background for the City Attorney's proposal online at: http://www.sandiego.gov/cityattorney/reports/significant.shtml ___________________________________________________________________________ email staff: CMCameron at sandiego.gov RULES Committee: Scott Peters (Chair), Tony Young, Brian Maienschein, Donna Frye, and Jim Madaffer. District 1 Councilmember Scott Peters Phone: (619) 236-6611 Fax: (619) 236-6999 Email: scottpeters at sandiego.gov District 4 Councilmember Anthony Young Phone: (619) 236-6644 Fax: (619) 236-7273 Email: anthonyyoung at sandiego.gov District 5 Councilmember Brian Maienschein Phone: (619) 236-6655 Fax: (619) 238-0915 Email: bmaienschein at sandiego.gov District 6 Councilmember Donna Frye Phone: (619) 236-6616 Fax: (619) 236-7329 Email: DonnaFrye at sandiego.gov District 7 Councilmember Jim Madaffer Phone: (619) 236-6677 Fax: (619) 238-1360 Email: jmadaffer at sandiego.gov -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070918/9f418246/attachment.html From jwstump at cox.net Tue Sep 18 13:29:10 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (J. W. Stump) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:29:10 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fw: Rules Committee Charter change proposals Message-ID: <002b01c7fa19$6ce93e20$6401a8c0@MEXICANSUNRISE> Rules Committee Charter change proposalsFrom: Carolyn Chase To: Chris Cameron Cc: SHPeters at sandiego.gov ; JMadaffer at sandiego.gov ; Brian Maienschein ; anthonyyoung at sandiego.gov ; donnafrye at sandiego.gov Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Rules Committee Charter change proposals RE: Rules Committee Agenda for Weds Sept 19, 2007 ITEM-1: Discussion of PROPOSED BALLOT MEASURES Submitted by Members of the Public and Independent Departments for Placement on the February 2008 Ballot Due to a prior commitment, I cannot attend the Rules Committee meeting. Please consider the following suggestions. With respect to Mr. Stumps proposals. I strongly urge you to support the proposal entitled, "Increase City Transparency for Public; Employees must be truthful." I know that you like to believe that employees always do tell the truth. But I feel it's my duty to inform you that sometime they feel that they cannot and then they do not. I have had the unfortunate experience while a Planning Commissioner of having to go back and see exactly where in a hearing I was misinformed. Sadly I must conclude that there should be some requirement in the Charter to tell the truth to help overcome the day-to-day pressures to produce a certain result that requires suppression of politically incorrect information. Employees must be able to point to the Charter to defend any displeasure that comes from honestly responding to questions from the Council or the public. In addition to requiring prices for copying by public to be "comparable with the private market," I'd like to suggest that this proposal also require that copies be made available in electronic format if the City has electronic copies. In addition, I've had to copy some City document recently at private rates and I would like to inform you that the City's indiscriminate use of color and allowing such indiscriminate use of color by its consultants has led to the creation of documents that are now inordinately expensive to copy at any rates. The City should require all consultants to provide alternative copies that allow for less expensive copying. Just one binder I had copied cost $250. Another cost $100. Yes most documents are available online, but we are not yet to the point where this is a substitute for being able to print out reasonable quality black/white copy. I support putting recycling into the City Charter. There's lots of talk about sustainability and reducing waste, but experience shows that talk is cheap and requirements matter. As to the Mandatory Recycling Ordinance proposal, it directs the Council to "adopt a mandatory recycling ordinance" requiring "residents and businesses to recycle to the maximum extent practical and feasible." I'm concerned that this language would not require recycling in public areas in private locations such as shopping malls and SeaWorld. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but I want to make you aware that this is an issue that the Mayor's proposal is declining to address and I want to make sure that it gets addressed. I'm also concerned that voters will not want to vote for a new fee without knowing how much it would be. It would be a shame to place such an important ballot measure before voters without knowing what it would take to ensure it passes. Thanks for considering this input. Carolyn Chase Pacific Beach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fortunately, I live and work where I can generally select routes which are both efficient and safe; this is not possible everywhere in the county, such as on southbound Kearny Villa Rd. at 163 or near Fairmount and Montezuma. John E. ----- Original Message ---- From: John Forester To: Gene Carman ; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:41:34 AM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Have you folks seen this report on cycling Here is the review of the Thunderhead report that I posted on chainguard a few days ago: The Thunderhead Alliance has just released a study of the amounts of bicycling and walking compared to many other statistics. It may be downloaded from: http://www.thunderheadalliance.org/benchmarking.htm The paper is based on the following assumption: "Strong policies to provide provisions for and promote cycling and walking can help transform communities into healthier and more livable places." This is not all, because the scope is widened beyond cycling and walking to include more aspects: "The bicycle and pedestrian advocacy movement and its partners for transit and disabled-rights have adopted the term 'complete streets' because it accurately frames the discussion to show that a street is not complete unless all modes of transport are provided for. A complete street provides safe access for pedestrians, cyclists, children, the elderly, disabled people, transit users, and motorists." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070918/2c94d385/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Sep 18 19:09:02 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:09:02 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] We won!!! Bayshore Bikeway project approved unanimously at City Council Message-ID: <000c01c7fa48$e7f8a590$b7e9f0b0$@org> Good news - the Bayshore Bikeway project was approved by San Diego City Council by a unanimous vote! Thanks to all the bicyclists who attended the meeting - you really made a difference! Before we break out the bubbly, there are still a couple of hurdles left to get over. The next and final public meeting on the project will be at the California Coastal Commission (info will be on this list as soon as we know it), and if it approved there and the City avoids being sued by SOHO over the environmental issues, construction will start this fall. Thanks again to everyone who attended the meeting, or phoned or emailed the City Council. We did it!! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070918/a8f23c5f/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Sep 18 19:47:46 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:47:46 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] MS 150 ride Message-ID: <002601c7fa4e$51644f70$f42cee50$@org> The Coalition is working with the MS Society again this year on the MS 150 ride. We'll be in charge of the intersection at Las Pulgas (like last year) and I'm hoping a few people will be interested in volunteering to help do traffic control at that intersection. The event is on October 13th (and 14th, but we're only helping on the 13th). We can use help all day, as the riders are pretty spread out by the time they get to Las Pulgas. Please let me know if you might be available to help for a couple of hours on the 13th. Also, several Coalition members are riding, and are fundraising for the event right now. Although we don't usually encourage people to post to the list with individual fundraising pleas, since the Coalition is involved in the event I thought it might be ok for those folks to send me their name and email, and I can compile a list of participants who are Coalition members and post that to the e-list so if other Coalition folks want to contribute they know who to contact. So if you are riding in the MS150 and would like to let other people know, please send me your name and email (OFFLIST - don't just hit 'reply all' to this message!) and I can put that together and send it out next week. Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070918/d1654f79/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Wed Sep 19 19:17:49 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:17:49 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC Board meeting next Wednesday, September 26th Message-ID: <004f01c7fb13$4d0322b0$e7096810$@org> Our next board meeting will be Wednesday, September 26th, 7:00 to 8:30 p.m. at the downtown office - 740 13th St, Suite 220. * It's going to be a busy agenda - we'll have discussions about -2010 Campaign for Active Transportation - KTU+A brief discussion of bike projects/plans they are working on, including Fiesta Island and the Oceanside Bicycle Master Plan .among other things. Hope to see you all there! Kathy *bike parking is available in the office and the hallway, so please consider bicycling. Transit is also a good option - we're close to the Park and Market trolley station on the blue/orange line. Auto parking is available on the street (free after 6:00 p.m.) or in the lot at the corner of 13th and G. ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070919/386c335a/attachment.html From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Wed Sep 19 19:35:29 2007 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (dwhite7 at san.rr.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:35:29 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC Board meeting next Wednesday, September 26th In-Reply-To: <004f01c7fb13$4d0322b0$e7096810$@org> References: <004f01c7fb13$4d0322b0$e7096810$@org> Message-ID: Kathy - I can give a brief recap on Pedal to the Park Stage 2. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Keehan Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:19 pm Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC Board meeting next Wednesday, September 26th To: Sdcbc , sdcbcboard at calvin.ucsd.edu > Our next board meeting will be Wednesday, September 26th, 7:00 to > 8:30 p.m. > at the downtown office - 740 13th St, Suite 220. * > > It's going to be a busy agenda - we'll have discussions about > > -2010 Campaign for Active Transportation > > - KTU+A brief discussion of bike projects/plans they are working on, > including Fiesta Island and the Oceanside Bicycle Master Plan > > .among other things. > > Hope to see you all there! > > Kathy > > *bike parking is available in the office and the hallway, so > please consider > bicycling. Transit is also a good option - we're close to the Park and > Market trolley station on the blue/orange line. Auto parking is > available on > the street (free after 6:00 p.m.) or in the lot at the corner of > 13th and G. > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Kathy Keehan > > Executive Director > > San Diego County Bicycle Coalition > > P.O. Box 34544 > > San Diego, CA 92163 > > 858.487.6063 > > execdir at sdcbc.org > > www.sdcbc.org > > > > From serge at issakov.org Thu Sep 20 14:00:59 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Landis verdict Message-ID: <69ec985b0709201100j6d29d443r75a9f4ccb2c7fac@mail.gmail.com> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3029089 Serge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070920/9b1b5302/attachment.html From pje at efgh.com Thu Sep 20 18:46:15 2007 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:46:15 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes Message-ID: <46F2F837.6050602@efgh.com> Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes POSTED: 10:02 am PDT September 20, 2007 UPDATED: 11:11 am PDT September 20, 2007 SAN DIEGO -- A man was killed late on Wednesday night after being hit by a car while he was riding his bicycle. Images: Crash-Scene Photos According to police, the man was riding his bike on Black Mountain Road just after 10 p.m. Investigators said the man ran a red light at Kearny Villa Road and was hit in the intersection by a man driving a Mercedes. He never regained consciousness. Although the man was rushed to a nearby hospital, medical workers were unable to save him. From wondernerd at juno.com Thu Sep 20 18:53:30 2007 From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank Paiano) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:53:30 GMT Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes Message-ID: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> "Investigators said the man ran a red light at Kearny Villa Road and was hit in the intersection by a man driving a Mercedes." No mention of witnesses. So one simply assumes the investigators said the man ran the red light because the driver of the Mercedes told them that the man ran the red light. End of investigation. I'm not cynical, am I? Frank Paiano Ocean Beach . . . _____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss today! Easy startup businesses. Click here. http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieVG0gn4giuZ5i35PS9dOSOSFXiLDruxsZNt5dPVhw586170/ From serge at issakov.org Thu Sep 20 19:10:02 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:10:02 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: > "Investigators said the man ran a red light at Kearny Villa Road > and was hit in the intersection by a man driving a Mercedes." > > No mention of witnesses. So one simply assumes the investigators said the man ran the red light because the driver of the Mercedes told them that the man ran the red light. End of investigation. > > I'm not cynical, am I? > > Frank Paiano > Ocean Beach Yes, you are cynical, Frank. But it's not just you. I guess there is some kind of primal tribal instinct to want to believe the member of your tribe (the fellow cyclist) did nothing wrong (and therefore the motorist probably did), but, sadly, this is rarely the case, and this situation is no different. Even if the Mercedes driver had run the red light, defensive drivers and all cyclists should always check for red-light runners before entering an intersection. Clearly someone ran a red light and someone didn't check for redlight runners. Either way, the crash could have been preventable by the either... EXCEPT... > Witnesses told officers the cyclist, who appeared to be in his 30s, ran a red light in > front of oncoming traffic about 10:15 p.m., San Diego police Sgt. Jeff Fellows said. So apparently it was the Mercedes driver who should have checked for red light runners before entering the intersection, EXCEPT, perhaps he did and just didn't see the cyclist because: > A man riding a bicycle without a light ... Assuming the article is correct that the cyclist didn't have a light, it's hard to blame the Mercedes driver for not seeing him... References from the U-T article: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070920-0805-bn20cyclist.html Most crashes, including most bike-car crashes, could be avoided if EITHER party involved was practicing defensive driving practices, not to mention following the basic rules of the road. If we are serious about protecting our tribe (fellow cyclists), we need to do a much better job about conveying the importance of following the rules of the road, being vigilant, and taking full responsibility for our safety when we're out there. Blaming drivers for doing what they typically do isn't going to make anyone safer. Serge From tlettington at san.rr.com Thu Sep 20 20:02:17 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:02:17 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: >On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: > > > A man riding a bicycle without a light ... A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflective clothing. - Tom From markw at wolfenet.org Thu Sep 20 22:31:42 2007 From: markw at wolfenet.org (markw) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:31:42 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <46F32D0E.2080308@wolfenet.org> Tom Lettington wrote: > At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: >> On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: >> >>> A man riding a bicycle without a light ... > > A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to > enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn > from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) > is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the > cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective > sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflect Unfortunately those pesky reflectors are usually the first to go on most peoples bikes including my own. Also I haven't seen a reflective sidewall on a 23-25x700c yet. What does work well, doesn't look geeky and will get you through tech on ultra events is DOT C2 retro reflective tape. It blends in with the sides of aero rims and 4 or 8 half inch squares present a nice reflective circle when the wheel is turning. I also put it on the seat stays and fork blades. Along with the derailer tube at the front of the bike. If you run a box section rim two pieces cut in an oval taped back to back over a couple spokes works well too. Mark From tlettington at san.rr.com Thu Sep 20 23:33:36 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:33:36 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <46F32D0E.2080308@wolfenet.org> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> <46F32D0E.2080308@wolfenet.org> Message-ID: <200709210332.l8L3W5kr021222@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> Mark, Can you identify a source for the DOT C2 retro reflective tape? I'd buy some in a heartbeat!! -Tom At 07:31 PM 9/20/2007, markw wrote: >Tom Lettington wrote: > > At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: > >> On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: > >> > >>> A man riding a bicycle without a light ... > > > > A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to > > enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn > > from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) > > is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the > > cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective > > sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflect > >Unfortunately those pesky reflectors are usually the first to go on most >peoples bikes including my own. Also I haven't seen a reflective >sidewall on a 23-25x700c yet. What does work well, doesn't look geeky >and will get you through tech on ultra events is DOT C2 retro reflective >tape. It blends in with the sides of aero rims and 4 or 8 half inch >squares present a nice reflective circle when the wheel is turning. I >also put it on the seat stays and fork blades. Along with the derailer >tube at the front of the bike. If you run a box section rim two pieces >cut in an oval taped back to back over a couple spokes works well too. > >Mark From serge at issakov.org Fri Sep 21 00:37:06 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:37:06 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0709202137g45dc7f2fg48c5534b79c48dce@mail.gmail.com> Huh. I always that side reflectors were useless. If the bicyclist is moving perpendicular to the motorist, consider how long he will be in the motorist's headlights. Even only 10 mph is 14 feet per second. How wide is the span of a car's headlights even 2 seconds in front of the car? It seems to me that by the time the cyclist is in the "cone" of the headlights, it's too late for the motorist to notice and react. A nice bright headlight, on the other hand, should get the motorist's notice long before it's too late when he naturally looks in the direction traffic might be coming from. Serge On 9/20/07, Tom Lettington wrote: > At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: > >On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: > > > > > A man riding a bicycle without a light ... > > A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to > enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn > from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) > is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the > cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective > sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflective clothing. > > - Tom > > > -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. From jwstump at cox.net Fri Sep 21 00:48:03 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (J. W. Stump) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:48:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Nader Holes & St. Christopher References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com><69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com><200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> <69ec985b0709202137g45dc7f2fg48c5534b79c48dce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7fc0a$983f3460$6401a8c0@MEXICANSUNRISE> Dear Serge, You sound like the Detroit automakers' criticism of Ralph Naders side lights on automobiles in the 60's. We called the side lights Nader holes in the quarter panels. When you are talking about your life, I endorse spending $10 bucks. Maybe your reflectors will be lit by a car waiting at the limit line and the car that sees you will be oncoming next to it. There is nothing wrong with placing a St. Christopher medal in your grips. Prayer can bring blessings. All the best John Stump 4133 Poplar City Heights, California 92105 ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge Issakov To: Tom Lettington Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes Huh. I always that side reflectors were useless. If the bicyclist is moving perpendicular to the motorist, consider how long he will be in the motorist's headlights. Even only 10 mph is 14 feet per second. How wide is the span of a car's headlights even 2 seconds in front of the car? It seems to me that by the time the cyclist is in the "cone" of the headlights, it's too late for the motorist to notice and react. A nice bright headlight, on the other hand, should get the motorist's notice long before it's too late when he naturally looks in the direction traffic might be coming from. Serge On 9/20/07, Tom Lettington wrote: > At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: > >On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: > > > > > A man riding a bicycle without a light ... > > A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to > enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn > from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) > is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the > cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective > sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflective clothing. > > - Tom > > > -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jwstump at cox.net To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070921/1f0ffeb7/attachment-0001.html From markw at wolfenet.org Fri Sep 21 01:03:53 2007 From: markw at wolfenet.org (markw) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:03:53 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0709202137g45dc7f2fg48c5534b79c48dce@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> <69ec985b0709202137g45dc7f2fg48c5534b79c48dce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F350B9.8010908@wolfenet.org> This one was completely avoidable from the sounds of it. It seems like more and more I'll be driving at night, and see some sort of movement on the side of the road, sure enough, it's someone on a bike with no lighting and dark clothes. :( Serge Issakov wrote: > Huh. I always that side reflectors were useless. > > If the bicyclist is moving perpendicular to the motorist, consider how > long he will be in the motorist's headlights. Even only 10 mph is 14 > feet per second. How wide is the span of a car's headlights even 2 > seconds in front of the car? It seems to me that by the time the > cyclist is in the "cone" of the headlights, it's too late for the > motorist to notice and react. > > A nice bright headlight, on the other hand, should get the motorist's > notice long before it's too late when he naturally looks in the > direction traffic might be coming from. > > Serge From markw at wolfenet.org Fri Sep 21 01:13:56 2007 From: markw at wolfenet.org (markw) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:13:56 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <200709210332.l8L3W5kr021222@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> <46F32D0E.2080308@wolfenet.org> <200709210332.l8L3W5kr021222@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <46F35314.2010409@wolfenet.org> Pepboys and autoparts stores carry short pieces, but if you want longer stuff, you can get it here. I bought a pack with I think 2 foot strips at Pepboys, just cut it with scissors didn't touch the back and put it on the clean surface of the bike. You can see how it stands out in daylight here: http://www.the508.com/2006web/shows/2006show14/pages/DSC_0045.html here's a source, kind of pricey. http://www.identi-tape.com/conspicuity.htm Mark Tom Lettington wrote: > Mark, > > Can you identify a source for the DOT C2 retro reflective tape? I'd buy > some in a heartbeat!! > > -Tom > > At 07:31 PM 9/20/2007, markw wrote: >> Tom Lettington wrote: >> > At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: >> >> On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: >> >> >> >>> A man riding a bicycle without a light ... >> > >> > A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to >> > enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn >> > from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) >> > is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the >> > cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective >> > sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflect >> >> Unfortunately those pesky reflectors are usually the first to go on most >> peoples bikes including my own. Also I haven't seen a reflective >> sidewall on a 23-25x700c yet. What does work well, doesn't look geeky >> and will get you through tech on ultra events is DOT C2 retro reflective >> tape. It blends in with the sides of aero rims and 4 or 8 half inch >> squares present a nice reflective circle when the wheel is turning. I >> also put it on the seat stays and fork blades. Along with the derailer >> tube at the front of the bike. If you run a box section rim two pieces >> cut in an oval taped back to back over a couple spokes works well too. >> >> Mark > > From JimBaross at cox.net Fri Sep 21 01:14:40 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:14:40 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bicyclist Dies After Being Hit By Mercedes In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0709202137g45dc7f2fg48c5534b79c48dce@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> <200709210000.l8L00kl7018653@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> <69ec985b0709202137g45dc7f2fg48c5534b79c48dce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070920220919.03bafed8@cox.net> A regrettable crash. My sympathy for his family and friends. On the subject of reflectors versus a front light, I'm siding with Serge. The front light is far more valuable than side reflectors in this and most other situations... primarily for the reasons Serge stated. Side facing and other reflectors are required for legal night riding though, and if you want to use more than required go for it, but don't skimp on the front lights! And, legal headlights are to be visible from the sides as well. Do you suppose those folks riding at night with no lights and wearing dark clothing are following to often stated safety, and faulty, advice to "ride as though you are invisible"? Jim B At 09:37 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: >Huh. I always that side reflectors were useless. > >If the bicyclist is moving perpendicular to the motorist, consider how >long he will be in the motorist's headlights. Even only 10 mph is 14 >feet per second. How wide is the span of a car's headlights even 2 >seconds in front of the car? It seems to me that by the time the >cyclist is in the "cone" of the headlights, it's too late for the >motorist to notice and react. > >A nice bright headlight, on the other hand, should get the motorist's >notice long before it's too late when he naturally looks in the >direction traffic might be coming from. > >Serge > > > >On 9/20/07, Tom Lettington wrote: > > At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: > > >On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: > > > > > > > A man riding a bicycle without a light ... > > > > A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to > > enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn > > from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) > > is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the > > cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective > > sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflective clothing. > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > >-- >NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared >by any organization in which I am involved. >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jimbaross at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From jwstump at cox.net Fri Sep 21 02:09:38 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (jwstump at cox.net) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:09:38 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] will THERE BE A GHOST bike? Message-ID: <5516385.1190354978297.JavaMail.root@fed1wml26.mgt.cox.net> WILL THERE BE A GHOST BIKE? ---- Jim Baross wrote: ============= A regrettable crash. My sympathy for his family and friends. On the subject of reflectors versus a front light, I'm siding with Serge. The front light is far more valuable than side reflectors in this and most other situations... primarily for the reasons Serge stated. Side facing and other reflectors are required for legal night riding though, and if you want to use more than required go for it, but don't skimp on the front lights! And, legal headlights are to be visible from the sides as well. Do you suppose those folks riding at night with no lights and wearing dark clothing are following to often stated safety, and faulty, advice to "ride as though you are invisible"? Jim B At 09:37 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: >Huh. I always that side reflectors were useless. > >If the bicyclist is moving perpendicular to the motorist, consider how >long he will be in the motorist's headlights. Even only 10 mph is 14 >feet per second. How wide is the span of a car's headlights even 2 >seconds in front of the car? It seems to me that by the time the >cyclist is in the "cone" of the headlights, it's too late for the >motorist to notice and react. > >A nice bright headlight, on the other hand, should get the motorist's >notice long before it's too late when he naturally looks in the >direction traffic might be coming from. > >Serge > > > >On 9/20/07, Tom Lettington wrote: > > At 04:10 PM 9/20/2007, Serge Issakov wrote: > > >On 9/20/07, Frank Paiano wrote: > > > > > > > A man riding a bicycle without a light ... > > > > A headlight and/or taillight would have probably done very little to > > enhance the cyclist's visibility in this case. What we need to learn > > from this incident (assuming the reported circumstances are accurate) > > is that side visibility is very important. I'm willing to bet the > > cyclist had no reflectors on his wheels or, even better, reflective > > sidewalls on his tires and was not wearing any kind of reflective clothing. > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > >-- >NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared >by any organization in which I am involved. >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jimbaross at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org ____ __________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jwstump at cox.net To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From tah at san.rr.com Fri Sep 21 02:30:42 2007 From: tah at san.rr.com (Tom Harvey) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:30:42 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Defense against Red Light Runners: Not As Easy As You Think In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070920.155330.21412.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69ec985b0709201610o6a05d7a8r2136986759c0e825@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070921063042.GC26005@bart.simpson.private> On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 04:10:02PM -0700, Serge Issakov wrote: > ... > Even if the Mercedes driver had run the red light, defensive drivers > and all cyclists should always check for red-light runners before > entering an intersection. Clearly someone ran a red light and someone > didn't check for redlight runners. Either way, the crash could have > been preventable by the either... EXCEPT... > ... i am in complete agreement with serge that cyclists should carefully watch for red light runners at all signalized intersections. but it isn't as easy as it sounds... a couple of years ago, i and my two young sons were nearly killed by a red light runner who was westbound on del mar heights road at mango (just west of I-5). we were cycling across del mar heights northbound on mango with a green light and a walk sign. i consider myself an extremely safety-conscious cyclist at all times--even more so when cycling with my children--and i would have said i was watching carefully as i crossed that day. but in retrospect, i paid too much attention to all the cars that were stopped (and therefore not dangerous), and not enough to the one lane that didn't have a stopped car in it. i _was_ screened out by a line of stopped cars and the hilly terrain also added sighting difficulty, but i could have done better. in this case, the driver, about to blow through a red light at full speed up the hill, saw us at the last second, skidded to halt about a third of the way into the intersection, allowing us to just clear out in front of her. she then decided it was in her best interests to finish running the red light, and headed off to the west without any indication of remorse. i didn't even come close to getting her license number, and none of the numerous stopped motorists offered it to me. for the next several months or more, as you might expect, i was hyper-vigilant in watching for red light runners at every opportunity, and thought about the problem a lot. some of my conclusions: it is really really really hard to distinguish between one of the frequent "hard brakers" and someone who is going to run the light at full speed. aggressive driving seems to be the norm around here, and many drivers approach red lights with hard, late braking and rapid deceleration.