From tony at tonypietsch.com Mon Oct 1 01:38:35 2007 From: tony at tonypietsch.com (Tony Pietsch) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:38:35 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] 56 bike path report In-Reply-To: <008301c803c9$3a4ca330$aee5e990$@org> References: <683576.1904.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200709301503.l8UF300u007314@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com><1dfe83a00709301805m7215e1b4w930147df66f7de5c@mail.gmail.com> <008301c803c9$3a4ca330$aee5e990$@org> Message-ID: <003b01c803ed$50ee8300$6401a8c0@tonyvaio> A similar situation to the Carmel Mountain Road bike crossing design occurred in Rancho Santa Fe about 10 years ago, along El Camino del Norte. It, too, was paved over a river (Escondido Creek) that was "dry" for most of the year. When it rained, riders (and sometimes cars -- high riding pickups and those new-fangled SUVs generally could make it across) were diverted to cross the existing bridge on Rancho Santa Fe Road over Escondido Creek near where it intersects with Encinitas Blvd and Manchester. Or you, as a cyclist, could take your chances (or sometimes an obliging truck would carry you and your bike over the water -- local drivers were much friendlier towards bikes back then.) It was a long hilly way around if you found out too late that the El Camino del Norte route was impassible at the "creek." Then in '97 and '98 we had two heavy El Nino years, and in the second year a security patrol vehicle tried to cross the water (at night, I believe) got washed downstream and the driver had to be rescued (I saw the vehicle the next morning hanging in the brush downstream lodged against a tree.) That incident was sufficient to get a bridge built over the "creek" on El Camino del Norte for ALL vehicles within about a year. I guess someone had to sue, be hurt or in serious danger before the problem got fixed for everyone - there hasn't been a problem for any legitimate road user to my knowledge since the bridge went in. ************ This silting, in my opinion, is also what makes the currently proposed I-5 underpass option for the SR-56 path to connect to Sorrento Valley Road Multi-Use Path completely untenable. Imagine if "they" (that's taxpayer money) spent the estimated $1.8M for a bike/ped underpass, but that it was completely filled with sediment for 2 or so years at a time (the actual situation that area is in now). What a waste! It should be a matter of public record how few times the delta has been "desilted" in the past decade if you want a realistic idea of how often the area is dredged (I recall just three times in the past 10 years, and one of those was for the Torrey Pines/Camino Del Mar bridge reconstruction.) We "could" construct a successful underpass to connect the SVR path to the SR-56 path if it were located about 1/2 mile further south (and consequently considerably uphill from the Carmel Valley "creek") where the I-5 is already built upon a high embankment (making it possible for the underpass to be nearly level with the path on both sides) that would not be in danger of flooding at any time of year or if the delta silted up. The cost of this option, as I recall from discussion at an earlier SDCBC board meeting, was about that of what is being currently discussed for a bike/ped overpass further north today. Given the rather high amount of biker and runner traffic we encountered on the SR-56 path this morning near El Camino Real, I believe that this would make the underpass unlikely to be used by vagrants, and a wide enough path for access by patrol vehicles would pretty much guarantee that the problem could be dealt with as needed. The "high ground" underpass would also be a better commuter connector by shortening the route east- to/from-south by at least 1/2 mile, probably more, especially as there is no "destination" at any location under discussion for the intersection. It certainly would not add any more distance or inconvenience for those traveling north from the paths' intersection. ********** The SR-56 path needs the serious attention and work that was promised when the SR-56 design was passed by San Diego taxpayers! Citizens are already getting hurt and killed (two weeks after the SR-56 path opened an errant driver left the freeway, crossed over and I believe through a chain-link fence and killed a cyclist on the new path.) The shortcuts taken to "finish" the SR-56 project (I believe mandated by a few politicians that needed it opened to motorized traffic by a certain date to satisfy a public promise -- there certainly was a credibility issue at stake at the time) have compromised the safety of the public-at-large at several points along the path today. Maybe it's time for a few well thought out op-ed pieces in the local papers by concerned citizens... Just my rant, count me frustrated with the situation, Tony _____ From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Keehan Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:20 PM To: 'Danette Hoffert'; 'Gene Carman' Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] 56 bike path report It's actually not the community's problem. If it was, it would be fixed by now. :-) My understanding is that the City of San Diego is responsible for the sedimentation ponds further down the creek, which are now full and need dredged (or some other maintenance activity - I'm not exactly sure.) The blockage further down the creek is what is causing the water to back up over the path. I'll forward the email to Brad Jacobson, the person in charge of this project at the City, to see what the status is. Kathy From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Danette Hoffert Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:05 PM To: Gene Carman Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] 56 bike path report That stretch is located in a home development with a gulf course. They are responsible for this water problem on a public bike trail, yet no one has enforced it. It has been in this state for over two years and in winter when we have any rain, it is a river with algae underneath. Kind of like snow with ice underneath if you are from snow country. It is about time that someone makes the gulf course/homeowners correct this problem. BTW, I fell there last year as well as my husband. Very slick. Danette On 9/30/07, Gene Carman wrote: On my latest trek down the 56 bike path the other day, I noticed that a steady small stream is crossing the weir. There has been no more than about 2 feet of wet stuff for the past week, but the steady state is causing the algae to grow, which will make for a slick surface. The 2 foot wide stream BTW is the narrow portion, it is much wider, closer to the slimy source. 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URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071001/5fa360a0/attachment-0001.html From JonIsaacs at aol.com Mon Oct 1 04:01:28 2007 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 04:01:28 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] re wired mag article on city bikes Message-ID: >>>In a message dated 9/30/07 6:46:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JimBaross at cox.net writes: > Let's remember, or maybe you hadn't heard, that a HUGE percentage of > car trips in the US are less than five miles! Although most of us > would agree that a fixie may not be the appropriate bike for most > people (until more motivated and skilled), the one-speed or few-speed > city-bikes are likely to be pretty useful for lots of people to use > for replacing some car trips... and for getting some exercise and fun. > ----- I agree... I think it is important to distinguish between what we ourselves as individuals choose and what can/might work for someone else in a different situation. I happen to like riding the classic road bike, it fits my riding style and needs. But I recognize there are plenty out there whose needs are better suited by a variety of other choices. In my vision of the future, with San Diego's particular blend of good weather but mesa and canyon geography, electric bicycles in some form or another will be used by most people for those short trips. A combination of an electric bicycle and public transportation will replace the car and the transportation solution. As an enthusiast, an electric bicycle is not attractive but in the big picture, it well maybe the way of the future. We die-hard pedal pushers will no longer be concerned about hoard of motorists in their bloated cars but we will be learning how to ride alongside the myrid of folks just getting around on some form of simple, relatively slow motorized vehicle... jon ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071001/d0c2b5dd/attachment.html From tah at san.rr.com Mon Oct 1 14:25:11 2007 From: tah at san.rr.com (Tom Harvey) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:25:11 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] 56 bike path report In-Reply-To: <003b01c803ed$50ee8300$6401a8c0@tonyvaio> References: <683576.1904.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200709301503.l8UF300u007314@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> <1dfe83a00709301805m7215e1b4w930147df66f7de5c@mail.gmail.com> <008301c803c9$3a4ca330$aee5e990$@org> <003b01c803ed$50ee8300$6401a8c0@tonyvaio> Message-ID: <20071001182511.GB8857@bart.simpson.private> On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 10:38:35PM -0700, Tony Pietsch wrote: > A similar situation to the Carmel Mountain Road bike crossing design ^^^^^^^^ actually, carmel country road. > The SR-56 path needs the serious attention and work that was promised when > the SR-56 design was passed by San Diego taxpayers! Citizens are already > getting hurt and killed (two weeks after the SR-56 path opened an errant > driver left the freeway, crossed over and I believe through a chain-link > fence and killed a cyclist on the new path.) huh? there was/is some serious chain link fence damage from a crash into the bike path (west of the rancho santa fe farms overcrossing i think) that could have been deadly to a cyclist, but did one really get killed? i would have thought an incident like that would really light up this list; i remember nothing. From execdir at sdcbc.org Mon Oct 1 16:35:13 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:35:13 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Invitation: Workshop and Field Trip, Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway - please feel free to forward!! Message-ID: <004501c8046a$926f20a0$b74d61e0$@org> We're having a little ride on the 14th, with BBQ from Karl Strauss. Let me know if you would like to participate! Kathy Public Workshop for the Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway Wednesday, October 10 6 - 8 PM Bike/Walk Field Trip sponsored by San Diego County Bicycle Coalition Sunday, October 14 1 - 5 PM Public Workshop for the Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway Wednesday October 10, 2007 6 to 8 pm On Wednesday 10/10/07 from 6 to 8 pm a public workshop will be held to kick off a planning process for the Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway. The Gateway project proposes to link the Rose Creek Watershed with Mission Bay Park through a series of public improvements including a bicycle trail and restored wetlands. The meeting will include Councilmembers Donna Frye and Kevin Faulconer and be held at the Pacific Beach Recreation Center at 1405 Diamond Street from 6 to 8pm in the Carpet Room. Click for Google Map Additional information on the workshop, proposed Gateway sites, and maps can be found at www.rosecreekwatershed.org. Bike/Walk Field Trip sponsored by San Diego County Bicycle Coalition Sunday October 14, 2007 1 to 5 pm Call 858-487-6063 to register On Sunday 10/14/07 from 1-5 pm a bike/walk field trip will take place at the Gateway. Participants will follow Rose Creek, mostly by bike, from the top of the Gateway where Rose and San Clemente creeks join down to where the Creek enters the ocean at De Anza Cove. The San Diego County Bicycle Coalition has graciously agreed to host this field trip. Because we may have to shuttle people and/or bicycles and make arrangements for those who cannot bike or walk, we are requesting that participants pre-register. You can register for the Field Trip by contacting the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition at 858-487-6063 or via e-mail at execdir at sdcbc.org . 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Look out if your are riding in Ramona, Poway, Highalnd Valley! see below Dale _____ From: Antonio Abrahams Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:27 PM To: Dale Carney; Eric Aldrich Subject: Harassment on Highland Valley Hi Dale and Eric Here's some info on the guy's whose harassing cyclists in the highland valley area. A picture of the truck is in the second email. I know some of our guys use this area so please pass on the message. Regards Tony _____ From: Tony [ mailto:tony64 at cox.net] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:22 PM To: Antonio Abrahams Subject: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1027 - Release Date: 9/24/2007 11:27 AM Attached Message From: Meyer, Michael S. To: TuesdayThursdayRide at yahoogroups.com Subject: [TuesdayThursdayRide] FW: [ranchoscycling] FW: white truck attacking cyclists Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:12:34 -0700 This topic came up last week. Here's an update with more info. Many more attacks, mostly centered in Poway, but elsewhere as well. Be careful out there, and call the detective if you are harassed by this idiot. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: ranchoscycling at yahoogroups.com [ mailto:ranchoscycling at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S. Allman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:31 AM To: ranchos cycling Subject: [ranchoscycling] FW: white truck attacking cyclists Last night Alan pointed out that I hadn't sent out the information about this case to the whole group. Here it is with the case number, SDPD contact, and the guy's license plate number. > license# CA 18245A > Desc: white pickup, maybe late 70's(?) > Drivers: white male, short brown hair, short beard > > Detective in Charge: Philip Bozarth - SDPD > Case# 07054462 Ph# 858-538-8000 > > This person has attacked me three times along Highland Valley Rd and Bandy Canyon Rd. He seems to now take that route between 6:00-6:40am. My incidences are very similar to others. He comes from the opposite direction, over the center, and tries to run cyclists off the road head on while yelling/swearing at them. > > Other's descriptions: > > When I mentioned this to Blaine Maas, he immediately replied "a guy in a white truck?" Turns out that he was nearly run off the road and also verbally harassed by this same driver. > > > Re: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland > From: Matthew Milnes ( mattmilnes07 at gmail.com) > Sent: Thu 9/13/07 4:08 PM > To: S. Allman ( bluesparq at hotmail.com) > Sounds like the same guy that harassed us during the group ride up the78 towards Ramona this past Saturday. He made it a point to drive byslowly in the opposite direction and threaten some of us with a fewchoice words. Typical redneck kind of stuff. Matt > > > Re: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland > From: Mark Vaughn ( mark_vaughn at yahoo.com) > You may not know this sender. Mark as safe | Mark as unsafe > Sent: Thu 9/13/07 4:14 PM > To: S. Allman ( bluesparq at hotmail.com) > Cc: andy.seitz at hp.com > Hi Stuart, > > Yeah, pretty sure our lunch ride has seen this guy at least once. > > Mark > > > Re: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland > From: Jeff Fieldhack ( j_fieldhack at yahoo.com) > Sent: Thu 9/13/07 7:54 PM > To: S. Allman ( bluesparq at hotmail.com) > Riding behind Dan DeRoo going up Highland Valley, I saw him almost kill Dan...Could not have missed him by more than 4 inches. Dan will confirm... > > Re: [ranchoscycling] jerk truck pics > From: James Kinney ( james.kinney at yahoo.com) > Sent: Thu 9/13/07 9:35 PM > To: S. Allman ( bluesparq at hotmail.com); ranchos cycling ( ranchoscycling at yahoogroups.com) > Arthur Siemens and I were brushed off by a old light colored pickup recently on San Diequito Rd. I can't say for sure that it was the same truck, but it looks very similar. The guy had a medium sized dog riding shotgun with a reddish coat of fur. He seemed very agitated that we were riding in the bike lane legally. If this is the same guy he is very dangerous. > > James Kinney > > > Re: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland > From: mmars372 at adelphia.net > You may not know this sender. Mark as safe | Mark as unsafe > Sent: Fri 9/14/07 1:49 PM > To: S. Allman ( bluesparq at hotmail.com) > Stuart,Was this the same guy who yelled at the team as we were climbing 78 on the way to Ramona last Saturday? Matt > > > Mark Kenny wrote: > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:39:27 -0700 > From: "Mark Kenny" > To: "Blaine Maas" > Subject: Re: [TCSD] Fwd: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland > > > Looks very similar to the truck that crowded me on Highland Valley last year. Very agressive driving; I had to slow to allow him to pass before a tight curve. He would have hit me on the curve. > > Mark Driver on Highland Valley From: Mike Vallender ( mvallend at san.rr.com) [ http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w2/pr02/ltr/i_yellowshield.gif] You may not know this sender. Mark as safe | Mark as unsafe Sent: Mon 9/17/07 12:05 AM To: Stuart Allman ( bluesparq at hotmail.com) Hi Stuart, Good job on getting the license plate number of this guy and filing a police report. as I mentioned over a period of several months I would see this guy out on Highland Valley 1-2 times a week and every time he would honk his horn at me and flip me off and on occassion he would swerve at me if there were no other cars around. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help the police get this guy off the road before he injures or kills someone. Thanks, Mike Vallender 858-774-7405 Re: [ranchoscycling] Jerk Truck From: ranchoscycling at yahoogroups.com on behalf of James Kinney ( james.kinney at yahoo.com) Sent: Mon 9/17/07 4:10 AM To: davidvoris ( dvoris at synergEyes.com); ranchoscycling at yahoogroups.com Bingo. Same guy same MO. This guy is dangerous. James RE: [ranchoscycling] Jerk Truck From: ranchoscycling at yahoogroups.com on behalf of Dan Dierken ( Dierken at msn.com) Sent: Mon 9/17/07 5:04 PM To: James Kinney ( james.kinney at yahoo.com); davidvoris ( dvoris at synergeyes.com); ranchoscycling at yahoogroups.com The photo of the truck, looks like the same truck that passed us going in the opposite direction (he was headed West) on the 9/8/07 Sat. club ride up the 78 to Ramona. When we regrouped at the Ramona AM/PM, everyone was commenting about the crazy driver shouting threats at us. Sure hope they catch the guy before he hurts or kills someone. On the following Sunday (9/9/07), my wife and I were riding West on Del Dios highway and someone threw a half filled 16oz. drink bottle at us from a stake bed truck that had light brown sides on it. Fortunately it just missed us. The truck was driving too fast to see the license plate. It is getting awfully crazy out there. Be alert Dan Re: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland From: Mike Shade ( mshade at cox.net) Sent: Wed 9/19/07 1:35 AM To: S. Allman ( bluesparq at hotmail.com) Stuart, This afternoon around 4:30 PM I had my encounter with the same truck. On Highland Valley past Bandy Canyon about .5 of a mile where the road makes a right and starts going up again I got buzzed by the one and the same. Buzzed me and laid on his horn as he went by - the truck was going east ( same direction as I was going ). 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Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM Attached Message From: DUMPIT ROMEO-KDMT38 To: TuesdayThursdayRide at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TuesdayThursdayRide] Fwd: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:48:14 -0700 How'd I get mixed into this? I'm sure threre are other runner's on the T/Th ride. I think Petey is doing ultra distance stuff. Way beyond me... Running is fun. Just gotta have the right shoes and stride. _____ From: TuesdayThursdayRide at yahoogroups.com [ mailto:TuesdayThursdayRide at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Phillips Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:01 AM To: TuesdayThursdayRide at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TuesdayThursdayRide] Fwd: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland Pablo.....we all know why you get the TCSD newsletters and go to all the events and it ain't the traffic updates....... it's TheTri-babes!!! It's really the only reason to be involved in all that Multi-sport stuff anyway. I love swimming, cycling, but man that running stuff is hard. I have been running lately to drop weight....cause I am currently suffering from fatass syndrome, and it kills me. Unless your built like Diz....running just ain't good for you. ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Pruschki To: tuesdaythursdayride at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:30:54 PM Subject: [TuesdayThursdayRide] Fwd: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland Saw this on the Tri-club website. Thought I'd forward since some of the Sunday morning Poway riders may have had a similar experience. Fwd: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland Posted by: "Blaine Maas" bcmaas at sbcglobal. net bmaas Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:06 pm (PST) Here is a picture of the truck http://i239. photobucket. com/albums/ ff47/SocalRancho /HPIM0241. jpg "S. Allman" < bluesparq at hotmail. com> wrote: To: ranchos cycling < ranchoscycling@ yahoogroups. com> From: "S. Allman" < bluesparq at hotmail. com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:01:20 +0000 Subject: [ranchoscycling] harassing driver on bandy/highland For the last few mornings I've been threatenned by a guy in an old white pickup truck (late 70's, early 80's model) travelling between Pomerado and 78 (taking Highland Valley and Bandy Canyon). Blaine said that he was harassed in the same way by this guy. Has anyone else run into him? He likes to come head on into the lane you're in and act like he's going to run you over. I filed a police report yesterday and ID'd the guy, got his license plate, and pics of the truck this morning. Any other witnesses might help the case against him. Stuart _____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. _____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/7e203020/attachment-0003.jpe From William at McHargue.Org Tue Oct 2 13:36:01 2007 From: William at McHargue.Org (William McHargue) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:36:01 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <001e01c80517$3c718b40$b554a1c0$@org> References: <001e01c80517$3c718b40$b554a1c0$@org> Message-ID: <7320F743-9A7E-4A1A-B8C4-8124E5166C36@McHargue.Org> Anyone, The Tour de Poway is next Saturday. If this guy is out and about and unstable, he might go ballistic. Has anyone thought to notify the police about this possibility and perhaps find out where he is during the event? (I have a personal interest in that my wife is riding in the event. If I knew where he lived I might surveil him myself.) Please reply if you have brought this to the attention of the Sheriff and event organizer, otherwise I will. Regards, Bill. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Carney > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 2:51 pm > Subject: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley > There is one more crazy red neck out there! > > Look out if your are riding in Ramona, Poway, Highalnd Valley! > see below > Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/1af55912/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Oct 2 17:54:54 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:54:54 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Message-ID: <009c01c8053e$deb95be0$9c2c13a0$@org> From: K.C. Butler [mailto:kcbutler at calbike.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:50 AM To: 'William McHargue' Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: RE: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Yes, We are aware of it and so is the Sheriff's Department. We will have 2 CHP officers patrolling on Highland Valley Road and Bandy Canyon Road during the ride. The plate number of the vehicle used during these incidents has been reported to the corresponding authorities. K.C. Butler Tour de Poway (858)679-1027 www.tourdepoway.com From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of William McHargue Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:36 AM Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Anyone, The Tour de Poway is next Saturday. If this guy is out and about and unstable, he might go ballistic. Has anyone thought to notify the police about this possibility and perhaps find out where he is during the event? (I have a personal interest in that my wife is riding in the event. If I knew where he lived I might surveil him myself.) Please reply if you have brought this to the attention of the Sheriff and event organizer, otherwise I will. Regards, Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Carney Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 2:51 pm Subject: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley There is one more crazy red neck out there! Look out if your are riding in Ramona, Poway, Highalnd Valley! see below Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/6c32e5e3/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Oct 2 18:21:13 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:21:13 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: FW: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Message-ID: <00b601c80542$8bccbbd0$a3663370$@org> From: K.C. Butler [mailto:kcbutler at calbike.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:11 PM To: 'Kathy Keehan'; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: RE: [SDCBC] FW: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley By the way the Tour de Poway in not Saturday, it's this Sunday October 7th, K.C. Butler Tour de Poway (858)679-1027 www.tourdepoway.com From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Keehan Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:55 PM To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: [SDCBC] FW: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley From: K.C. Butler [mailto:kcbutler at calbike.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:50 AM To: 'William McHargue' Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: RE: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Yes, We are aware of it and so is the Sheriff's Department. We will have 2 CHP officers patrolling on Highland Valley Road and Bandy Canyon Road during the ride. The plate number of the vehicle used during these incidents has been reported to the corresponding authorities. K.C. Butler Tour de Poway (858)679-1027 www.tourdepoway.com From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of William McHargue Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:36 AM Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Anyone, The Tour de Poway is next Saturday. If this guy is out and about and unstable, he might go ballistic. Has anyone thought to notify the police about this possibility and perhaps find out where he is during the event? (I have a personal interest in that my wife is riding in the event. If I knew where he lived I might surveil him myself.) Please reply if you have brought this to the attention of the Sheriff and event organizer, otherwise I will. Regards, Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Carney Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 2:51 pm Subject: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley There is one more crazy red neck out there! Look out if your are riding in Ramona, Poway, Highalnd Valley! see below Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/838ba4f7/attachment-0001.html From wondernerd at juno.com Tue Oct 2 21:21:06 2007 From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank Paiano) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:21:06 GMT Subject: [SDCBC] Harassment on Highland Valley Message-ID: <20071002.182106.27140.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Greetings, Friends. Once again, please forgive my profound cynicism but if the authorities already have this cretin's license plate number, shouldn't they already have arrested the man. If the numerous victims' testimony have any shred of credibility, he has committed attempted murder! Frank Paiano Ocean Beach . . . . _____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifUM72RxgJN1tygF6K4ousAlgMxDsikrS0FiaAZKqkToxj70/ From sdmcgale at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 21:39:34 2007 From: sdmcgale at yahoo.com (Gale Chan) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <20071002.182106.27140.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <484383.3335.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Or at minimum, assault w/deadly weapon. -- Gale Chan --- Frank Paiano wrote: > Greetings, Friends. Once again, please forgive my profound cynicism but if the > authorities already have this cretin's license plate number, shouldn't they already > have arrested the man. If the numerous victims' testimony have any shred of > credibility, he has committed attempted murder! > > Frank Paiano > Ocean Beach > > > . > . > . > . > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. > http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifUM72RxgJN1tygF6K4ousAlgMxDsikrS0FiaAZKqkToxj70/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as sdmcgale at yahoo.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From abulifia1 at cox.net Tue Oct 2 22:43:36 2007 From: abulifia1 at cox.net (Abulifia) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:43:36 -0800 Subject: [SDCBC] Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <484383.3335.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <484383.3335.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470301D8.3000204@cox.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/589c6010/attachment.html From danettehoffert at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 23:33:27 2007 From: danettehoffert at gmail.com (Danette Hoffert) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:33:27 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <470301D8.3000204@cox.net> References: <484383.3335.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <470301D8.3000204@cox.net> Message-ID: <1dfe83a00710022033k7f838070q6f9cba06d0ca2aad@mail.gmail.com> If the police are less than proactive how about a video tape of the guy? Many digital cameras have this option. Give it to the media and give it exposure. That may force someone in the police dept. to do something. On 10/2/07, Abulifia wrote: > > And let me further add to the cynicism...the law won't step in until > someone is injured and/or dead. And even then I'm sure the SDPD will find a > reason to blame the cyclist. They do it everywhere else and I don't see San > Diego county being an exception. > > > > > Gale Chan wrote: > > Or at minimum, assault w/deadly weapon. > > -- Gale Chan > > > --- Frank Paiano wrote: > > > > http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifUM72RxgJN1tygF6K4ousAlgMxDsikrS0FiaAZKqkToxj70/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as danettehoffert at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- Danette M. Hoffert's email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/c8ee9f7a/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Wed Oct 3 00:56:28 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:56:28 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <1dfe83a00710022033k7f838070q6f9cba06d0ca2aad@mail.gmail.co m> References: <484383.3335.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <470301D8.3000204@cox.net> <1dfe83a00710022033k7f838070q6f9cba06d0ca2aad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071002215355.034e37d8@cox.net> Though I haven't had success at this, have any of those who witnessed the harassment tried reporting this to the DMV? I have been led to believe that they will intervene based on witnesses accounts... unlike the police who seem, apparently, to want to have witnessed the events themselves before acting. At 08:33 PM 10/2/2007, Danette Hoffert wrote: >If the police are less than proactive how about a video tape of the >guy? Many digital cameras have this option. Give it to the media >and give it exposure. That may force someone in the police dept. to >do something. > >On 10/2/07, Abulifia <abulifia1 at cox.net> wrote: >And let me further add to the cynicism...the law won't step in until >someone is injured and/or dead. And even then I'm sure the SDPD >will find a reason to blame the cyclist. They do it everywhere else >and I don't see San Diego county being an exception. > > > > >Gale Chan wrote: >> >>Or at minimum, assault w/deadly weapon. >> >> >>-- Gale Chan >> >> >> >>--- Frank Paiano wrote: >> >> >> >>http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifUM72RxgJN1tygF6K4ousAlgMxDsikrS0FiaAZKqkToxj70/ >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as >danettehoffert at gmail.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > >List privacy information is located at >http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to >postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > > >-- >Danette M. Hoffert's email >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jimbaross at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071003/6088d2f7/attachment.html From markw at wolfenet.org Wed Oct 3 02:09:25 2007 From: markw at wolfenet.org (markw) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:09:25 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071002215355.034e37d8@cox.net> References: <484383.3335.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <470301D8.3000204@cox.net> <1dfe83a00710022033k7f838070q6f9cba06d0ca2aad@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071002215355.034e37d8@cox.net> Message-ID: <47033215.8090600@wolfenet.org> All the police will do is take a report. Unless they see him do it, it's basically a cyclist(s) word against his. Unfortunately someone will have to get hurt before this guy is taken down. There's not one government agency going to act on him without hard evidence, worse case is that he'll get a letter in the mail from CHP stating he was observed violating CVC xxxx, and giving the code he violated. Every time I see an a__le maneuver on the road, I think to myself, if this was someplace like FL or TX, these people would be more polite to each other. :) Mark Jim Baross wrote: > Though I haven't had success at this, have any of those who witnessed > the harassment tried reporting this to the DMV? I have been led to > believe that they will intervene based on witnesses accounts... unlike > the police who seem, apparently, to want to have witnessed the events > themselves before acting. > > At 08:33 PM 10/2/2007, Danette Hoffert wrote: >> If the police are less than proactive how about a video tape of the >> guy? Many digital cameras have this option. Give it to the media and >> give it exposure. That may force someone in the police dept. to do >> something. >> >> On 10/2/07, Abulifia <abulifia1 at cox.net> wrote: >> And let me further add to the cynicism...the law won't step in until >> someone is injured and/or dead. And even then I'm sure the SDPD will >> find a reason to blame the cyclist. They do it everywhere else and I >> don't see San Diego county being an exception. From gcarman at san.rr.com Wed Oct 3 10:05:05 2007 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:05:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] update on 56 bike path In-Reply-To: <20071001182511.GB8857@bart.simpson.private> References: <683576.1904.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200709301503.l8UF300u007314@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> <1dfe83a00709301805m7215e1b4w930147df66f7de5c@mail.gmail.com> <008301c803c9$3a4ca330$aee5e990$@org> <003b01c803ed$50ee8300$6401a8c0@tonyvaio> <20071001182511.GB8857@bart.simpson.private> Message-ID: <200710031405.l93E5ZSr015661@ms-smtp-03.socal.rr.com> Yes, I believe this is at Carmel Country Road. Or specifically at the bridge below the road, at the weir that holds back the water and forms the path. While there is only a shallow 1 foot wide stream crossing the weir, the mossy mess on the upstream side appears ready to slosh across the path. The detour sign is posted on the eastern side of path, but the western side is still open. (I did not see a sign anywhere nearby to move into place) At any rate, heads up, it is about to become a slimy mess. Consider the detour in effect. From kcbutler at calbike.org Tue Oct 2 13:49:58 2007 From: kcbutler at calbike.org (K.C. Butler) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:49:58 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <7320F743-9A7E-4A1A-B8C4-8124E5166C36@McHargue.Org> References: <001e01c80517$3c718b40$b554a1c0$@org> <7320F743-9A7E-4A1A-B8C4-8124E5166C36@McHargue.Org> Message-ID: <055d01c8051c$a82688e0$f8739aa0$@org> Yes, We are aware of it and so is the Sheriff's Department. We will have 2 CHP officers patrolling on Highland Valley Road and Bandy Canyon Road during the ride. The plate number of the vehicle used during these incidents has been reported to the corresponding authorities. K.C. Butler Tour de Poway (858)679-1027 www.tourdepoway.com From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of William McHargue Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:36 AM Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Anyone, The Tour de Poway is next Saturday. If this guy is out and about and unstable, he might go ballistic. Has anyone thought to notify the police about this possibility and perhaps find out where he is during the event? (I have a personal interest in that my wife is riding in the event. If I knew where he lived I might surveil him myself.) Please reply if you have brought this to the attention of the Sheriff and event organizer, otherwise I will. Regards, Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Carney Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 2:51 pm Subject: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley There is one more crazy red neck out there! Look out if your are riding in Ramona, Poway, Highalnd Valley! see below Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/e06cf316/attachment.html From kcbutler at calbike.org Tue Oct 2 18:10:57 2007 From: kcbutler at calbike.org (K.C. Butler) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:10:57 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <009c01c8053e$deb95be0$9c2c13a0$@org> References: <009c01c8053e$deb95be0$9c2c13a0$@org> Message-ID: <07d001c80541$1dd4af30$597e0d90$@org> By the way the Tour de Poway in not Saturday, it's this Sunday October 7th, K.C. Butler Tour de Poway (858)679-1027 www.tourdepoway.com From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Keehan Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:55 PM To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: [SDCBC] FW: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley From: K.C. Butler [mailto:kcbutler at calbike.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:50 AM To: 'William McHargue' Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: RE: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Yes, We are aware of it and so is the Sheriff's Department. We will have 2 CHP officers patrolling on Highland Valley Road and Bandy Canyon Road during the ride. The plate number of the vehicle used during these incidents has been reported to the corresponding authorities. K.C. Butler Tour de Poway (858)679-1027 www.tourdepoway.com From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of William McHargue Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:36 AM Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Anyone, The Tour de Poway is next Saturday. If this guy is out and about and unstable, he might go ballistic. Has anyone thought to notify the police about this possibility and perhaps find out where he is during the event? (I have a personal interest in that my wife is riding in the event. If I knew where he lived I might surveil him myself.) Please reply if you have brought this to the attention of the Sheriff and event organizer, otherwise I will. Regards, Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Carney Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 2:51 pm Subject: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley There is one more crazy red neck out there! Look out if your are riding in Ramona, Poway, Highalnd Valley! see below Dale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071002/fb85a472/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Wed Oct 3 17:48:03 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:48:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night next Wednesday, October 10 Message-ID: <001401c80607$14a82240$3df866c0$@org> Already? You bet! Our next volunteer night is next Wednesday, October 10, 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. We think we will be able to use the room at Standley Recreation Center (on their newly finished floors.) but that isn't confirmed yet, so watch this space for more details. Hope to see you on Wednesday! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071003/0beebe6e/attachment-0001.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Wed Oct 3 17:48:03 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:48:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] MS 150 volunteers needed Message-ID: <000f01c80607$147f3d80$3d7db880$@org> As some of you know, the Coalition is involved in helping with the MS 150 ride on October 13 and 14. We've just found out that there will be an aid station where we usually do traffic control (on Las Pulgas Road) and we'll need a few more volunteers to help out. If you have a couple of hours between 9-4 on Saturday the 13th of October, we could use a hand. Please let me know if you can help out. Also, several members of the Coalition are riding in the ride, and if you are looking to help sponsor a rider, these might be good folks to contact. Arlyn Asch (aasch at articulate.com) Rosemary Braun (Rosemary.Braun at uboc.com) Pauline Callahan (zpcallahan at wildmail.com) Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071003/0c0f88a8/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Wed Oct 3 18:14:50 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:14:50 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [Cyclo-Vets] Soledad Mountain Warning In-Reply-To: <000b01c80512$cbfffa80$63ffef80$@org> References: <000b01c80512$cbfffa80$63ffef80$@org> Message-ID: <69ec985b0710031514kcb584f7qc34d486f0980be23@mail.gmail.com> What an understated warning this turned out to be. The fissures on Soledad Mountain Rd turned into a huge house-swallowing sinkhole at 9 am today. The road is closed indefinitely, but there is a detour via Desert View. U-T article: *http://tinyurl.com/ynphgf* Serge On 10/2/07, Kathy Keehan wrote: > > > *From:* Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *bikingbuzz > *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2007 9:26 PM > *To:* Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cyclo-Vets] Soledad Mountain Warning > > > > This was just sent to me today; > > For those who train on Soledad Mountain Road a slow moving landslide > in the 5700 block, at Desert View, is causing fissures in the street > that may be hazardous. SLOW DOWN AND WATCH OUT AS YOU COME DOWN! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071003/a80375da/attachment.html From zpcallahan at wildmail.com Wed Oct 3 21:45:09 2007 From: zpcallahan at wildmail.com (Pauline Callahan) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:45:09 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Message-ID: <5C3B7CE8C19D69849BAAB6A751E27E20@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> I seem to have missed an email. I received all these e-mails with opinions regarding this situation, but not the one that tells what the situation is. Will someone please enlighten me? I want my husband, Dan, at Action Cyclery to be aware of any problems so he may let riders that come into our store know there may be a problem. Since we are in Scripts Ranch area, many of our riders frequent this area. Thanks, Pauline Callahan ****************************************************************************** Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things! http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million members! From jhsieh at stickman-computing.org Wed Oct 3 21:57:29 2007 From: jhsieh at stickman-computing.org (James Hsieh) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:57:29 -0400 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <5C3B7CE8C19D69849BAAB6A751E27E20@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> References: <5C3B7CE8C19D69849BAAB6A751E27E20@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> Message-ID: <47044889.50408@stickman-computing.org> Hi Pauline, I just checked the mail logs - it appears that your ISP thought the first message in this thread was spam and discarded the email. I will find the original email and attempt to resend it to you (or otherwise find some way for you to read it). Regards, --James Hsieh Postmaster, Stickman Computing Hosting the SDCBC at bikesandiego.org mailing list On 10/3/07 9:45 PM, the computer belonging to Pauline Callahan wrote: > I seem to have missed an email. I received all these e-mails with opinions > regarding this situation, but not the one that tells what the situation is. > Will someone please enlighten me? I want my husband, Dan, at Action > Cyclery to be aware of any problems so he may let riders that come into our > store know there may be a problem. Since we are in Scripts Ranch area, many > of our riders frequent this area. > > Thanks, > > Pauline Callahan > > > ****************************************************************************** > Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things! > > > http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). > > http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million > members! _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as > jhsieh at stickman-computing.org To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go > to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy > information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or > to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org From danettehoffert at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 23:40:06 2007 From: danettehoffert at gmail.com (Danette Hoffert) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:40:06 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley In-Reply-To: <47044889.50408@stickman-computing.org> References: <5C3B7CE8C19D69849BAAB6A751E27E20@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> <47044889.50408@stickman-computing.org> Message-ID: <1dfe83a00710032040q3efe2ecdgc9a13a54d774e693@mail.gmail.com> Mine thread disappeared, too. I want to spread the word to my friends who ride in that area. Reaffirms the need for good bike roads and paths. And if someone reported a vehicle license number, I am disgusted that the police have not taken the time to at least look into this guy. I am sure he has a mental or criminal history. When my brother in law was assaulted by a redneck in Florida the police immediately arrested the man who had a record and a restraining order for beating his wife. If the police actually monitored traffic, these things could be prevented or cited. Makes me more determined to move. On 10/3/07, James Hsieh wrote: > > Hi Pauline, > > I just checked the mail logs - it appears that your ISP thought the > first message in this thread was spam and discarded the email. I will > find the original email and attempt to resend it to you (or otherwise > find some way for you to read it). > > Regards, > > --James Hsieh > Postmaster, Stickman Computing > Hosting the SDCBC at bikesandiego.org mailing list > > On 10/3/07 9:45 PM, the computer belonging to Pauline Callahan wrote: > > I seem to have missed an email. I received all these e-mails with > opinions > > regarding this situation, but not the one that tells what the situation > is. > > Will someone please enlighten me? I want my husband, Dan, at Action > > Cyclery to be aware of any problems so he may let riders that come into > our > > store know there may be a problem. Since we are in Scripts Ranch area, > many > > of our riders frequent this area. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pauline Callahan > > > > > > > ****************************************************************************** > > Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things! > > > > > > http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). > > > > http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million > > members! _______________________________________________ > > > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as > > jhsieh at stickman-computing.org To unsubscribe or change mailing options, > go > > to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy > > information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help > or > > to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as danettehoffert at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- Danette M. Hoffert's email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071003/cbe59c57/attachment.html From tlettington at san.rr.com Thu Oct 4 01:03:40 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:03:40 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Re: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Message-ID: <200710040501.l9451Pl1000477@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> This is a *BIG* problem. I would never buy service from an ISP that thought they knew better than I did what was SPAM and what was not. ISPs should not filter for SPAM because the end users lose control. I always review my SPAM folder to see if I have any false positives and I invariably do (1 in 100, but frequently important). If your ISP filters SPAM, get them to stop or find a new ISP. That's my opinion, what's yours? - Tom >Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:57:29 -0400 >From: James Hsieh >Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Harassment on Highland Valley >To: Pauline Callahan >original-recipient: rfc822;tlettington at san.rr.com > >Hi Pauline, > >I just checked the mail logs - it appears that your ISP thought the >first message in this thread was spam and discarded the email. I will >find the original email and attempt to resend it to you (or otherwise >find some way for you to read it). > >Regards, > >--James Hsieh >Postmaster, Stickman Computing >Hosting the SDCBC at bikesandiego.org mailing list > >On 10/3/07 9:45 PM, the computer belonging to Pauline Callahan wrote: > > I seem to have missed an email. I received all these e-mails with opinions > > regarding this situation, but not the one that tells what the situation is. > > Will someone please enlighten me? I want my husband, Dan, at Action > > Cyclery to be aware of any problems so he may let riders that come into our > > store know there may be a problem. Since we are in Scripts Ranch area, many > > of our riders frequent this area. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pauline Callahan > > > > > > > ****************************************************************************** > > Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things! > > > > > > http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). > > > > http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million > > members! _______________________________________________ > > > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as > > jhsieh at stickman-computing.org To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go > > to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy > > information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or > > to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > > postmaster at stickman-computing.org >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From JonIsaacs at aol.com Thu Oct 4 01:23:23 2007 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:23:23 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Re: FW: Harassment on Highland Valley Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/07 10:02:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tlettington at san.rr.com writes: > That's my opinion, what's yours? > > - Tom ---- Normally I would agree with you but for some reason I didn't get your Email... AOL must have thought it was spam... :-) Just kidding... Jon ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071004/d4e61641/attachment.html From rob_leone at earthlink.net Thu Oct 4 08:02:27 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:02:27 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Explaination for big gutters and narrow bike lanes on Carmel Valley Rd. Message-ID: <4704D653.1090804@earthlink.net> Dear All: Hi! I had the pleasure of a social event on Tuesday with one of the people who'd helped give input into the Carmel Valley Road rebuild. The road isn't as wide as it could be because the "stakeholders" all agreed nibbling the edges of the Torrey Pines reserve was a bad precedent to set. The monster gutter pans and huge drains are also to protect Torrey Pines -- there's a lot of water coming off those hills to the north when it rains. This means, perhaps, that Carmel Valley Road may have the only set of gutters in the county set up not for average rainfall over the course of the year, but the sort of half an inch in half an hour rainfall we normally get when we do get rain. Perhaps. As to why the narrowness couldn't be at the expense of the motorists instead of the cyclists, ask yourself when was the last time you saw a motorist driving a narrow road as if it were a narrow road.... Now if we could only do something about the free on street parking at the entrance of the paid state parking lot! Of course, that's a pot/kettle situation, because cyclists park for free at the Carmel Valley Park and Ride all the time, and I understand the birdwatcher/surfer point of view here.... Robert Leone From rob_leone at earthlink.net Thu Oct 4 21:30:57 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:30:57 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] What's the status of the Genesee Ave work? Message-ID: <470593D1.90304@earthlink.net> Dear SDCBC: Hello! Someone in my ride group asked when the Genesee Ave roadwork from Campus Point to I-5 would be completed. Does anyone know? They've got a bunch of "use alt. bike route" signs out, but that doesn't do much good if you're heading to I-5 to go down into Sorrento Valley. Robert Leone From danettehoffert at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 22:05:47 2007 From: danettehoffert at gmail.com (Danette Hoffert) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:05:47 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] What's the status of the Genesee Ave work? In-Reply-To: <470593D1.90304@earthlink.net> References: <470593D1.90304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1dfe83a00710041905g342c937fq7ee0634c0ff9fd00@mail.gmail.com> This past Saturday, a rider broke his collar bone on the downhill where there is a manhole cover with huge gaps. This is the best route to Sorrento Valley so I continue to ride in the gutter. This is my husband's work commute. UGH! Danette On 10/4/07, Robert Leone wrote: > Dear SDCBC: > Hello! Someone in my ride group asked when the Genesee Ave roadwork > from Campus Point to I-5 would be completed. Does anyone know? They've > got a bunch of "use alt. bike route" signs out, but that doesn't do much > good if you're heading to I-5 to go down into Sorrento Valley. > > Robert Leone > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as danettehoffert at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- Danette M. Hoffert's email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071004/22177314/attachment.html From rob_leone at earthlink.net Thu Oct 4 22:19:07 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:19:07 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Holding City feet to fire time. Message-ID: <47059F1B.509@earthlink.net> Dear People: Hello! Back at the end of August I used the City of San Diego's on line street repair report tool to report the landscaping growing into, and in a few parts completely occupying, the bike lane on Kearny Villa Road southbound between Balboa and Aero. Sent: Fri 9/14/07 11:03 PM To: rleone at hotmail.com A service notification has been created for: KEARNY VILLA/BALBOA-PLANT ENCROACH BK LN TREE/SUP Street/Alley/Parkway/Encroachment You will have the ability to view the status of your notification online after 24 hours of receipt of this email. To view the status of your service request, please visit the Street Division Service Request page at http://apps.sandiego.gov/streetdiv/ Select the "Check Status of Service Request" function and enter the notification number. Your notification number is: 500000037736 Street Division appreciates your concern and looks forward to meeting your service needs in the future. Now, according to the on line repair request status tool, it's now: The status for the notification number : 500000037736, is "In Process" That means they've scheduled it. We'll see in October if it's been done. Robert Leone From rduquete at 911law.com Fri Oct 5 12:51:53 2007 From: rduquete at 911law.com (Richard Duquette) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:51:53 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Rider down in Carlsbad Message-ID: <200710051651.l95GpmpY000685@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Dear list mates I represent a young man who went down last weekend in North Carlsbad, on the border of Oceanside near the lagoon,due to the negligence/unsafe turn of an elderly motorist. It was reported that two women Cyclo-Vets and a Swamis rider witnessed the event in some fashion or another.There may be other witnesses too. I need to immediately speak to them.(BTW..the rider/cyclist thanks them all for their help in that emergency situation that unfolded after the crash) Please get the word out asap if you would, as the cyclist is badly injured...but stable and recovering. A side note, the SDBC list serve/newsletter recently helped me quickly track down several favorable witnesses in a young ladys recent crash, and the case successfully settled in short time.(A donation from my atty fees went to the club & the Challenged Athletes foundation.) Thanks for your help. Ride Safe, Ride Strong. Richard L. Duquette Bicycle Injury Lawyer since 1983 Carlsbad, CA 760-730-0500 www.911law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071005/0d88cca5/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 5 21:46:51 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:46:51 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Rider down in Carlsbad In-Reply-To: <200710051651.l95GpmpY000685@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I would definitely help you on this one if I could, Richard! Did this collision perchance occur at that wretched, dangerous Y intersection formed by State St. and Carlsbad Bl. = Coast Highway 101, where the City of Carlsbad evidently did not learn anything even after paying out a 1/2-million dollar settlement? What are our chances for getting the motorist's driving privilege revoked? All the best, John -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Richard Duquette Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:52 AM To: swamis at yahoogroups.com; Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org; tcsd at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SDCBC] Rider down in Carlsbad Dear list mates I represent a young man who went down last weekend in North Carlsbad, on the border of Oceanside near the lagoon,due to the negligence/unsafe turn of an elderly motorist. It was reported that two women Cyclo-Vets and a Swamis rider witnessed the event in some fashion or another.There may be other witnesses too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071005/57b76076/attachment.html From afish54 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 6 21:51:10 2007 From: afish54 at yahoo.com (MIchael Angelos) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] [TCSD] Lifeguards Need Bikes... In-Reply-To: <200710051651.l95GpmpY000685@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <356277.4475.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello everybody, I am a lifeguard and of course that means that I work with a bunch of lifeguards. As the resident cyclist of the guards, they are constantly coming to me in need of bikes, advice on cycling, etc. However, they don't make much money and can't afford expensive race bikes. Mostly, we are looking for entry-level tri bikes and race/road bikes in any condition. I am also a former bike mechanic and can restore almost any bike. Right now, the guards that need bikes are... Female 5'6 Male 6'2 Male 5'10 Female 5'3 If I can locate some entry level tri bikes or race bikes for them, I can get them on the road(so to speak) to competition in triathlons. They are all great swimmers, very fit and interested. Thanks in advance for any help. Mike. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From trevorspoke at cox.net Mon Oct 8 14:49:03 2007 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (trevorspoke at cox.net) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:49:03 -0400 Subject: [SDCBC] What's the status of the Genesee Ave work? In-Reply-To: <1dfe83a00710041905g342c937fq7ee0634c0ff9fd00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071008144903.9KCTW.114410.root@fed1wml12.mgt.cox.net> > This past Saturday, a rider broke his collar bone on the downhill where > there is a manhole cover with huge gaps. I hope there is sufficient evidence of "construction site". In such cases, the prudent rider will slow down and/or be extra attentive for vertical evasive maneuver (best done with shoes attached to pedals). > This is the best route to Sorrento Valley so I continue to ride in the gutter. This is my husband's work > commute. UGH! With the narrow lane and horrible road condition, the safe and appropriate place to ride is in the middle of the right lane. Getting there just before the downhill is best, so merge into that position just before the last signal light. The City has a hotline posted somewhere on their web for this widening project. Completion isn't soon, if I recall; perhaps at least a year. -- Trevor p.s. Almost as dangerous is the I-5 north onramp and shoulder. Caltrans and City should cooperate to improve this. Weekend club rides routinely use the outer lane of the freeway itself, as it is safer at their speeds. So if you use the shoulder, please travel (as always) at an appropriate speed for the conditions. This is called the basic speed law. From kking002 at san.rr.com Mon Oct 8 15:07:05 2007 From: kking002 at san.rr.com (Kenneth King) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:07:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Here's another urban bike Message-ID: <000f01c809de$6e15eee0$cd01a8c0@Ken> Here's another urban bike (Strida) that may be appealing to some. Ken King http://tinyurl.com/2m6pzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRmfMszDbWo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071008/1de11d4d/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Mon Oct 8 22:48:03 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:48:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night Wednesday October 10th! Message-ID: <000001c80a1e$d189e130$749da390$@org> Don't forget we've got our newsletter folding party this Wednesday, October 10th, 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. We're going to be at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive. Good food and good fun - hope to see you there! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071008/b90d465b/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Oct 9 14:11:38 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:11:38 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations Message-ID: <007f01c80a9f$d7755d50$866017f0$@org> Please forward to your bicycling friends. I'm not sure who in their right mind is riding four abreast on Del Dios Highway, but they might want to rethink that. Kathy Hi. I live in Solana Beach and drive frequently to Escondido via Del Dios Highway. I know that in Solana Beach, the designers of the future improvement of our section of Highway 101 have worked and will continue to work with the Bicycle Coalition regarding bike lanes and parking, as it relates to the bicyclists. However, in order to get consideration for ones cause, it is necessary to give consideration to the public non-cyclist. On busy 101 I will often encounter bicyclists, 2 abreast, one in the bike lane, one in the traffic lane. That just does not work on a well traveled street, just as it would not work if the cars were to drive into the bike lane. I know the bicyclists get really annoyed with cars, and the biker is the far more vulnerable, but if a bike is concerned for his own safety, please, ride single file in the bike lane. Just this Saturday, along Del Dios, there was a group of cyclists, 4 wide, on that curvy downhill road, creating a really dangerous situation. How can any of them think they are riding safe? Maybe they think they are making themselves more visible that way, but it seems so very unsafe to me. I often see similar riding on Del Dios and can not imagine that it is regarded as the safe way to ride. I always try to be considerate of the bicyclists, but I find it more than annoying to come upon a 4 wide string of bicycles as I round a right hand down hill curve; it is downright scary. I do not know what the solution is, maybe posters reminding the riders of safe riding that would be given to the bike shops. But I do know yours is a strong group of voices and activism. Another point of contention is where the groups park to gather on the weekends. Now that there is little beach parking and more crowded conditions at the train station lot in SolanaBeach, I see large groups gather in the lot across from the Post Office. They have their bikes spread out there, getting instruction, putting on the wheels etc. I know it is a public parking lot, but it is now all we have for the beach goers and those using the new bluff top park and nearby restaurants. Could you spread the word that there are 3 more public parking lots on South Sierra that are all underutilized. There are 2 on the west side of Sierra and one on the east, all beyond that one across from the Post Office. The 2 on the west side are marked with signs, but are not that visible because of bushes either on the sides or in front of the lots. Help bicyclists become friendly considerate neighbors by gathering at the less used lots. It would help the overall perception by the non-biking public. Please correct me and let me know if riding abreast (I do not mean when a faster rider is trying to get at the head of the pack) is recommended. Thanks for your time, Jane Morton p.s. I read on your site about the Kids I and Kids II classes. How often does that happen? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071009/bed8fbf6/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Mon Oct 8 12:38:30 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:38:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: 10/10: Workshop for the Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway / Bike Tour 10/14 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071008092814.0377a828@cox.net> FYI >Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:04:04 -0700 >To: Parks at earthdayweb.org >From: Carolyn Chase >Subject: 10/10: Workshop for the Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway / Bike Tour > 10/14 > >Public Workshop for the Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway > >Wednesday October 10, 2007 >6 to 8 pm > >On Wednesday 10/10/07 from 6 to 8 pm a public workshop will be held >to kick off a planning process for the Mission Bay Wetlands Gateway. >The Gateway project proposes to link the Rose Creek Watershed with >Mission Bay Park through a series of public improvements including a >bicycle trail and restored wetlands. The meeting will include >Councilmembers Donna Frye and Kevin Faulconer and be held at the >Pacific Beach Recreation Center at 1405 Diamond Street from 6 to 8pm >in the Carpet Room. > >Click >for Google Map > >Additional information on the workshop, proposed Gateway sites, and >maps can be found at >www.rosecreekwatershed.org. > > >Bike/Walk Field Trip >sponsored by San Diego County Bicycle Coalition > >Sunday October 14, 2007 >1 to 5 pm > >Call 858-487-6063 to register > >On Sunday 10/14/07 from 1-5 pm a bike/walk field trip will take >place at the Gateway. Participants will follow Rose Creek, mostly by >bike, from the top of the Gateway where Rose and San Clemente creeks >join down to where the Creek enters the ocean at De Anza Cove. The >San Diego County Bicycle Coalition has graciously agreed to host >this field trip. Because we may have to shuttle people and/or >bicycles and make arrangements for those who cannot bike or walk, we >are requesting that participants pre-register. > >You can register for the Field Trip by contacting the San Diego >County Bicycle Coalition at 858-487-6063 or via e-mail at >execdir at sdcbc.org . When you register, >please provide your name, phone number and/or e-mail address, the >number of participants, whether you will bike or walk and whether >you'd like to join us for lunch at noon before the field trip starts at 1pm. > >Pre-Field Trip B-B-Q Lunch to be sponsored by the Karl Strauss >Brewing Company at noon on Sunday 10/14. > >Registration required by October 10th > >A pre-field trip lunch is being generously sponsored by the Karl >Strauss Brewing Company. If you would like to attend the lunch, you >must pre-register for the field trip by Wednesday, October 10th. The >lunch will begin at noon. > >Call 858-487-6063 to register > > >Additional information on this project is available at >www.rosecreekwatershed.org or via >e-mail at info at rosecreekwatershed.org. > > > From trevorspoke at cox.net Tue Oct 9 14:59:01 2007 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (trevorspoke at cox.net) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:59:01 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations In-Reply-To: <007f01c80a9f$d7755d50$866017f0$@org> Message-ID: <20071009145901.VPJIG.114759.root@fed1wml07.mgt.cox.net> Kathy, thanks for the friendly note from our roadway neighbors with too many wheels (wink). We all have to remember to avoid being judgemental about others' driving choices that cross the line from unlawful into merely "different from our style". Those in the weekend group rides know that the writer is completely backward about what works well on a "well-traveled road". It is better, in fact, for all the bikes to stay out of the bike lanes altogether so that we don't get so many conflicts at right turns, where motorists end up on the wrong side of the bunch because they didn't know the rules of the road require them to merge into the bike lane to make their turn. Companions riding and chatting side by side are neither more dangerous, nor more bothersome to other road users, than loner motorists chatting to their buds on the cell phone. We all want the same thing, to make our travel more enjoyable. I don't regularly travel Del Dios, but even if I did I would avoid calling into question someone else's choice of riding style. I would merely remind them to ride safely, lawfully, and cooperatively. Mayhap that's already what they're doing. -- Trevor > Please forward to your bicycling friends. > > Hi. I live in Solana Beach and drive frequently to Escondido via Del Dios > Highway. > > I know that in Solana Beach, the designers of the future improvement of our > section of Highway 101 have worked and will continue to work with the > Bicycle Coalition regarding bike lanes and parking, as it relates to the > bicyclists. However, in order to get consideration for ones cause, it is > necessary to give consideration to the public non-cyclist. On busy 101 I > will often encounter bicyclists, 2 abreast, one in the bike lane, one in the > traffic lane. That just does not work on a well traveled street, just as it > would not work if the cars were to drive into the bike lane. I know the > bicyclists get really annoyed with cars, and the biker is the far more > vulnerable, but if a bike is concerned for his own safety, please, ride > single file in the bike lane. > > Just this Saturday, along Del Dios, there was a group of cyclists, 4 wide, > on that curvy downhill road, creating a really dangerous situation. How can > any of them think they are riding safe? Maybe they think they are making > themselves more visible that way, but it seems so very unsafe to me. > > I often see similar riding on Del Dios and can not imagine that it is > regarded as the safe way to ride. I always try to be considerate of the > bicyclists, but I find it more than annoying to come upon a 4 wide string of > bicycles as I round a right hand down hill curve; it is downright scary. > > I do not know what the solution is, maybe posters reminding the riders of > safe riding that would be given to the bike shops. But I do know yours is a > strong group of voices and activism. > > Another point of contention is where the groups park to gather on the > weekends. Now that there is little beach parking and more crowded conditions > at the train station lot in SolanaBeach, I see large groups gather in the > lot across from the Post Office. They have their bikes spread out there, > getting instruction, putting on the wheels etc. I know it is a public > parking lot, but it is now all we have for the beach goers and those using > the new bluff top park and nearby restaurants. Could you spread the word > that there are 3 more public parking lots on South Sierra that are all > underutilized. There are 2 on the west side of Sierra and one on the east, > all beyond that one across from the Post Office. The 2 on the west side are > marked with signs, but are not that visible because of bushes either on the > sides or in front of the lots. > > Help bicyclists become friendly considerate neighbors by gathering at the > less used lots. It would help the overall perception by the non-biking > public. > > Please correct me and let me know if riding abreast (I do not mean when a > faster rider is trying to get at the head of the pack) is recommended. > > Thanks for your time, > > Jane Morton > p.s. I read on your site about the Kids I and Kids II classes. How often > does that happen? > > > > > From neil0502 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 16:31:32 2007 From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations In-Reply-To: <20071009145901.VPJIG.114759.root@fed1wml07.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <688378.58399.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Meh. I'm closer to being in agreement with the original poster. But then I look at myself as having all of the rights AND ALL OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES of a motorist. It also speaks to why my favorite person with whom to ride is ... me :-) A comment or two below, too. --- trevorspoke at cox.net wrote: > Kathy, thanks for the friendly note from our roadway neighbors with too many wheels (wink). We > all have to remember to avoid being judgemental about others' driving choices that cross the > line from unlawful into merely "different from our style". Those in the weekend group rides know > that the writer is completely backward about what works well on a "well-traveled road". It is > better, in fact, for all the bikes to stay out of the bike lanes altogether so that we don't get > so many conflicts at right turns, where motorists end up on the wrong side of the bunch because > they didn't know the rules of the road require them to merge into the bike lane to make their > turn. > > Companions riding and chatting side by side are neither more dangerous, nor more bothersome to > other road users, than loner motorists chatting to their buds on the cell phone. We all want the > same thing, to make our travel more enjoyable. a) studies CONSISTENTLY show that cell phone users are as dangerous as drunk drivers, regardless of whether or not they use a hands-free device, so ... I think your analogy is damning, at best. I aim to be better, safer, and more courteous than drivers, not less; b) my goal has not been to make "my travel more enjoyable" in a few decades. My goal is to get from point A to point B safely, and without undue impact to others, hopefully, enjoying the process at the same time ;-) > I don't regularly travel Del Dios, but even if I did I would avoid calling into question someone > else's choice of riding style. I would merely remind them to ride safely, lawfully, and > cooperatively. Mayhap that's already what they're doing. Four abreast -- if that's really what was going on -- can't be legal. Just do the math and you'll know they were well outside of the bike lanes. Taken at face value, it was a small group of cyclists saying, in essence, that their needs were more important than the needs of any vehicle traffic. Not nice. Not thoughtful. Not fair. Likely not legal. Sometimes, a bike ride is better than a chat with your friends. The chat, however, can STILL happen ... at Roberto's ... or Starbuck's ... or post-ride, somewhere. IMHO, of course. YMMV., etc., etc. ;-) From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Oct 9 16:48:05 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:48:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bike Kitchen workparty October 21st Message-ID: <00c501c80ab5$b1bc86e0$153594a0$@org> We've been working with the Bike Kitchen in City Heights to perhaps form a partnership, where Bicycle Coalition members can help the Bike Kitchen with supplies, resources, technical expertise and participants and the Bike Kitchen provides space, supplies, and participants. Our first joint event is a workparty on Sunday, October 21st. It's going to be at the City Heights Bike Kitchen, 4246 Wightman. I think the hours are going to be flexible, with people working anytime from 10:00 to 4:00 or so. We'll be building/refurbishing bike trailers so we can have mobile Bike Kitchen workshops. So if you have an old bike trailer that you aren't using any more, or materials we can use to build some bike trailers (wheels, wood, fasteners, etc) please let me know and/or bring them on the 21st. Everyone is invited to participate in whatever capacity you might be able to contribute - donate materials or tools, come help (especially if you have some mechanical ability!), or just come for moral support to meet people. Please let me know if you would like to attend! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071009/2e79888a/attachment.html From JonIsaacs at aol.com Tue Oct 9 18:39:55 2007 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:39:55 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations Message-ID: I>>>>n a message dated 10/9/2007 12:01:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, trevorspoke at cox.net writes: > Kathy, thanks for the friendly note from our roadway neighbors with too > many wheels (wink). We all have to remember to avoid being judgemental about > others' driving choices that cross the line from unlawful into merely "different > from our style". Those in the weekend group rides know that the writer is > completely backward about what works well on a "well-traveled road". It is > better, in fact, for all the bikes to stay out of the bike lanes altogether so > that we don't get so many conflicts at right turns, where motorists end up on > the wrong side of the bunch because they didn't know the rules of the road > require them to merge into the bike lane to make their turn. > > Companions riding and chatting side by side are neither more dangerous, nor > more bothersome to other road users, than loner motorists chatting to their > buds on the cell phone. We all want the same thing, to make our travel more > enjoyable. > > I don't regularly travel Del Dios, but even if I did I would avoid calling > into question someone else's choice of riding style. I would merely remind > them to ride safely, lawfully, and cooperatively. Mayhap that's already what > they're doing. > > -- Trevor > > -------- Here's a few thoughts... - As cyclists it is our responsibility to ride as far to the right as is "practicable." There are many legitimate reasons leave the bike lane and I am one who certainly takes the lane when there are right turns parked cars, a right turn, merging traffic and many other situations. But there is something inconsistent about two riders alongside each other chatting, one in the bike lane, one not. If the bike lane is not the right place to be, then both should be in the traffic lane, if it is the safe/legally required place to be both ought to be in the bike lane. As far as Del Dios goes, it has been quite some years since I have ridden there on a regular basis but I think it changed little over the nearly 60 years I have been traveling that route. Certainly there are many places where the road is sufficiently narrow that "controlling the lane" is the practicible choice. But there are also wide spots where the road is more than sufficiently wide to allow safe operation of a bicycle along side a car. It is my understanding that when riding a bicycle you are still responsible for obeying the traffic laws as an individual whether you are riding in a group or by yourself. To me that suggests that each rider needs to ride as close to the right side of the road as practicable... If there is room for safe riding car and motorist side by side, and there are motorists waiting to get by, then single file would seem to be the order of the day... It does look like another fine day for a ride, I hope everyone reading this has a great ride sometime to day. Jon Isaacs ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071009/469aaefe/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Tue Oct 9 21:12:37 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:12:37 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations In-Reply-To: <688378.58399.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20071009145901.VPJIG.114759.root@fed1wml07.mgt.cox.net> <688378.58399.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0710091812x5c9e8516l8326b8fc4228cd7c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/9/07, Neil Brooks wrote: > a) studies CONSISTENTLY show that cell phone users are as dangerous as > drunk drivers, regardless > of whether or not they use a hands-free device, so ... What I've read indicates a cell phone user is about as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, the least dangerous of all legally drunk drivers. Just a few years ago .08 wasn't even illegal. So I think it's not entirely accurate to say that cell phone users are as dangerous as drunk drivers, the most dangerous of whom are way over .08. What's most interesting to me is that cell phone users are just as distracted several minutes after hanging up on the phone, which indicates it's the pure mental inattention that makes them be as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, not the process of engaging in a cell phone conversation. In other words, I suspect a driver thinking deeply about a presentation at work, or how cyclists should stay in bike lanes "where they belong", is probably about as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, or a driver using a cell phone. Of course, that's a lot harder to test for in a study. But if it's true, then probably a huge percentage of drivers, perhaps the majority at any given time, are probably as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, even though they're stone cold sober and not using the cell phone. In any case, it behooves us to ride accordingly. So I try to avoid riding in a manner that has my safety depend on any particular driver paying attention without verifying as best as I can that they have noticed me. In other words, it doesn't much matter to me whether they're .08, on the cell phone, or thinking about work. Serge -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071009/0dd15b14/attachment-0001.html From brandon_vanderberg at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 01:07:24 2007 From: brandon_vanderberg at yahoo.com (Brandon Vanderberg) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations Message-ID: <674426.85739.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Evening all, I've been lurking here for a few months and would like to thank you all for the insight I've gained into the cycling world through this forum. Though I am no longer able to ride my bike to work, I follow this list daily and am much more aware of cyclists sharing the road because of my exposure to discussions like this. And I thank you in advance for allowing me to add a couple of observations. I find it difficult to accept that a 'majority' of drivers, at any given time, are as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver -either through their use of cell phones, recent use of cell phones, or because they are thinking about a presentation. However I would agree that, at any given time, some are and that it does behoove us to ride accordingly. Having said that, is there any good reason to ride side by side? Chatting with one's riding partner would seem to be at least as distracting as thinking about presentations is to drivers. I would argue that whether it's 2 cars, 2 motorcycles, or 2 bikes, the road comes first and the conversation is best saved for the rest stops. Best regards, Brandon Vanderberg ----- Original Message ---- From: Serge Issakov To: Neil Brooks Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 6:12:37 PM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations On 10/9/07, Neil Brooks wrote: a) studies CONSISTENTLY show that cell phone users are as dangerous as drunk drivers, regardless of whether or not they use a hands-free device, so ... What I've read indicates a cell phone user is about as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, the least dangerous of all legally drunk drivers. Just a few years ago .08 wasn't even illegal. So I think it's not entirely accurate to say that cell phone users are as dangerous as drunk drivers, the most dangerous of whom are way over .08. What's most interesting to me is that cell phone users are just as distracted several minutes after hanging up on the phone, which indicates it's the pure mental inattention that makes them be as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, not the process of engaging in a cell phone conversation. In other words, I suspect a driver thinking deeply about a presentation at work, or how cyclists should stay in bike lanes "where they belong", is probably about as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, or a driver using a cell phone. Of course, that's a lot harder to test for in a study. But if it's true, then probably a huge percentage of drivers, perhaps the majority at any given time, are probably as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, even though they're stone cold sober and not using the cell phone. In any case, it behooves us to ride accordingly. So I try to avoid riding in a manner that has my safety depend on any particular driver paying attention without verifying as best as I can that they have noticed me. In other words, it doesn't much matter to me whether they're .08, on the cell phone, or thinking about work. Serge -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071010/c81faf6e/attachment.html From neil0502 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 01:42:29 2007 From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations In-Reply-To: <674426.85739.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <323874.12207.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > I find it difficult to accept that a 'majority' of drivers, at any given time, are as dangerous > as a .08 drunk driver -either through their use of cell phones, recent use of cell phones, or > because they are thinking about a presentation. However I would agree that, at any given time, > some are and that it does behoove us to ride accordingly. I'm not going to quibble with your use of the term "majority of drivers." Rather, the point is that studies show that cell phone use -- with or without hands-free technology -- impairs driving, on average, as much as legally intoxicated driving does. My experience ... in four wheels, on my bicycle, and on my motorcycle, gives me ab-so-lute-ly no basis to disregard this. It's confirmed, for me, every time I hope on a mode of transport and move in the public transport arena. Have you looked for, and reviewed, any of these tests? They're quite fascinating ... if a bit disheartening... Here's just ONE link from a lightning fast Google: http://www.sciencenetlinks.com/sci_update.cfm?DocID=138 > Having said that, is there any good reason to ride side by side? Chatting with one's riding > partner would seem to be at least as distracting as thinking about presentations is to drivers. > I would argue that whether it's 2 cars, 2 motorcycles, or 2 bikes, the road comes first and the > conversation is best saved for the rest stops. With that, I couldn't agree more :-) From serge at issakov.org Wed Oct 10 02:00:15 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:00:15 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations In-Reply-To: <674426.85739.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <674426.85739.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0710092300g6ff5d692ueaa5b8e8898e361e@mail.gmail.com> Well, it is true that at a BAC of .08 a driver is 11 times more likely to be in a crash than is a sober driver. http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/drive/a/aa070297.htm So it's probably an exaggeration to say that a majority of drivers are equally dangerous. However, that indicates a cell phone talker is also about 11 times as likely as a sober driver is likely to crash. But then, according to the studies, so is someone who was done talking about 2 minutes ago but is still thinking about it, or, presumably, so is a driver thinking about something equally engaging. 11 times more likely might sound like a lot, but note that at a BAC of .10, only 2 beers more, the driver is now 48 times more likely than a sober driver to be involved in a crash. So relative to a .10 driver, a .08 driver, and a cell phone user, is about 4 times less dangerous (4 times less likely to be involved in a crash). And I still think generic inattention is more widespread then we'd care to think about (raise your hand if you've ever arrived at a destination and could recall the drive itself), and I don't see how any kind of thought-distraction inattention could be much different from that in someone who hung up on a call 2 minutes ago. As to riding side-by-side, I really don't think it's a safety issue. At typical biking speeds along long stretches with no intersections, like on del dios, a cyclist's active attention is not really that important (not compared to the attention required on a morning commute along La Jolla Village Driver, for example). I think it's mostly a courtesy issue. I mean, you tend to chat when it's safe to chat, and shut up when you have to concentrate on traffic (like at intersection approaches and crossings, merges, etc.). If drivers can still safely pass, I don't see what the big deal is. But if you're 4 across and so unnecessarily holding up traffic, that's no good. Serge On 10/9/07, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > > Evening all, > > I've been lurking here for a few months and would like to thank you all > for the insight I've gained into the cycling world through this forum. > Though I am no longer able to ride my bike to work, I follow this list daily > and am much more aware of cyclists sharing the road because of my exposure > to discussions like this. And I thank you in advance for allowing me to add > a couple of observations. > > I find it difficult to accept that a 'majority' of drivers, at any given > time, are as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver -either through their use of > cell phones, recent use of cell phones, or because they are thinking about a > presentation. However I would agree that, at any given time, some are and > that it does behoove us to ride accordingly. > > Having said that, is there any good reason to ride side by side? Chatting > with one's riding partner would seem to be at least as distracting as > thinking about presentations is to drivers. I would argue that whether it's > 2 cars, 2 motorcycles, or 2 bikes, the road comes first and the conversation > is best saved for the rest stops. > > Best regards, > > Brandon Vanderberg > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Serge Issakov > To: Neil Brooks > Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org > Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 6:12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations > > > > On 10/9/07, Neil Brooks wrote: > > > a) studies CONSISTENTLY show that cell phone users are as dangerous as > > drunk drivers, regardless > > of whether or not they use a hands-free device, so ... > > > What I've read indicates a cell phone user is about as dangerous as a .08 > drunk driver, the least dangerous of all legally drunk drivers. Just a few > years ago .08 wasn't even illegal. So I think it's not entirely accurate to > say that cell phone users are as dangerous as drunk drivers, the most > dangerous of whom are way over .08. > > What's most interesting to me is that cell phone users are just as > distracted several minutes after hanging up on the phone, which indicates > it's the pure mental inattention that makes them be as dangerous as a .08 > drunk driver, not the process of engaging in a cell phone conversation. > > In other words, I suspect a driver thinking deeply about a presentation at > work, or how cyclists should stay in bike lanes "where they belong", is > probably about as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, or a driver using a cell > phone. Of course, that's a lot harder to test for in a study. But if it's > true, then probably a huge percentage of drivers, perhaps the majority at > any given time, are probably as dangerous as a .08 drunk driver, even though > they're stone cold sober and not using the cell phone. In any case, it > behooves us to ride accordingly. So I try to avoid riding in a manner that > has my safety depend on any particular driver paying attention without > verifying as best as I can that they have noticed me. In other words, it > doesn't much matter to me whether they're .08, on the cell phone, or > thinking about work. > > Serge > > -- > NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by > any organization in which I am involved. > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -- NOTE: Any opinions expressed above are mine and not necessarily shared by any organization in which I am involved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071010/00a8ad84/attachment.html From brandon_vanderberg at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 02:01:11 2007 From: brandon_vanderberg at yahoo.com (Brandon Vanderberg) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] FW: bike safety and good neighbor relations Message-ID: <475183.67426.qm@web36315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Neil wrote: I'm not going to quibble with your use of the term "majority of drivers." Rather, the point is that studies show that cell phone use -- with or without hands-free technology -- impairs driving, on average, as much as legally intoxicated driving does. No argument there. I get cut off daily on my bike, motorcycle, or in my Jeep by folks yaking about something or other that just can't wait. I'm sure we all do. As is certainly true of you, I refuse to use the cell on the road. Brandon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20071010/17ac0c14/attachment-0001.html From JimBaross at cox.net Wed Oct 10 01:38:48 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:38:48 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Governor signs AB1581 - new or replaced traffic signals to de Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071009223735.03c41758@cox.net> FYI >To: cbc at topica.com, caboforum at topica.com >Cc: Bob Shanteau >From: Bob Sutterfield >Subject: [CABO] Fwd: [SVBC] Governor signs AB1581 - new or replaced >traffic signals to de >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:36:46 -0700 >Now is your chance to get in a word about loop shape, marking, etc. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Bob Shanteau >Date: Oct 9, 2007 2:12 PM >Subject: [SVBC] Governor signs AB1581 - new or replaced traffic >signals to detect bicycle or motorcycle traffic >To: svbc > > >Bicyclists and transportation professionals: > >Yesterday the governor signed AB 1581, which will require all new and >replaced traffic signals to detect bicycle or motorcycle traffic. This >bill will take effect when Caltrans adopts uniform standards, >specifications, and guidelines for the detection of bicycle and >motorcycle traffic. > >To this end, I will be giving a presentation in Sacramento next Tuesday >on the detection of bicycle traffic using inductive loops (attached). If >you have any input that you would like me to add, please let me know. > >Bob Shanteau >President, Monterey County Bicycle Advocacy Group > >Robert M Shanteau, PhD, PE >Consulting Traffic Engineer >13 Primrose Cir >Seaside, CA 93955-4133 >Voice: (831) 394-9420 >FAX: (831) 394-6045 >************************************** >PRESS RELEASE >10/08/2007 GAAS:783:07 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >Legislative Update > >Governor Schwarzenegger has signed the following 45 bills: >... >AB 1581 by Assemblymember Jean Fuller (R-Bakersfield) - Traffic-actuated >signals: bicycles: motorcycles. >... >*************************************** >BILL NUMBER: AB 1581 ENROLLED > BILL TEXT > > PASSED THE SENATE AUGUST 27, 2007 > PASSED THE ASSEMBLY AUGUST 30, 2007 > AMENDED IN SENATE JULY 12, 2007 > >INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Fuller > > FEBRUARY 23, 2007 > > An act to add and repeal Section 21450.5 of the Vehicle Code, >relating to vehicles. > > LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST > > AB 1581, Fuller. Traffic-actuated signals: bicycles: motorcycles. > (1) Existing law provides for official traffic control devices. > This bill would include as an official traffic control device a >traffic-actuated signal that displays one or more of its indications in >response to the presence of traffic detected by mechanical,visual, >electrical, or other means. Upon the first placement of a >traffic-actuated signal or replacement of the loop detector of a >traffic-actuated signal, the signal would have to be installed and >maintained, to the extent feasible and in conformance with professional >engineering practices, so as to detect lawful bicycle or motorcycle >traffic on the roadway. Cities and counties would not be required to >comply with those requirements until the Department of Transportation >has established uniform standards, specifications, and guidelines for >the detection of bicycles and motorcycles by traffic-actuated signals >and related signal timing. The Commission on State Mandates would be >required to consult with the Department of Transportation regarding >mandate claims relating to these provisions. This bill would provide >that its provisions would remain in effect until January 1, 2018, and >would be repealed on that date. By imposing new duties on local >government, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program upon >local governments. > (2) The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local >agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. >Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. > This bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates >determines that the bill contains costs mandated by the state, >reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to the