From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Tue May 1 10:38:50 2007 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:38:50 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Pedal to the Park Stage 1 Epilogue Message-ID: PTP Stage 1 Epilogue Thanks to all involved for making PTP Stage 1 a success on many fronts. The challenge was ambitious and not everything went exactly according to plan. But, adaptability with spirit of cooperation and fun recreation were the order of the day; and those things can serve us all. Smiles were prevalent on the diverse and inclusive crew of over 150 participants who cycled and enjoyed an afternoon at the ballpark. With your contributions, excess proceeds were just enough to gift a Bike Friday Family Tandem to the Therapeutic Recreation Services (TRS) program, and Leader Connie Hegey proudly rode the new addition to her TRS fleet with stoker Abbott. Other teams of stokers and captains were introduced in the morning and exchanging email addresses in the afternoon. My stoker, Zane, started with a hesitant pedal stroke and vehement verbal protest, and ended with a relaxed confidence and unexpected discovery of stoker skills. I even made a radio talker out of him on the return leg, to report our condition and answer a call for assistance. We are proud of all the opportunities offered and gained by the PTP population ? for sharing quality time in activities of common interests. I share one of my brief stories in hopes some of you will do the same. Also, please forward lessons and constructive comments for improving on the event. Favorite photos are also welcome. Forward all material to p2park at san.rr.com . We will be posting an album soon on the Photo gallery at http://www.northcountycycleclub.com/ With the help of PTP partner, the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition, we designed and demonstrated a cyclist-friendly Bike Parking Pavilion, and parked 90 bicycles outside Petco Park for the game. This feature has potential for influencing businesses and event operators to recognize and encourage the growing popularity, efficiency and health of cycling as a form of local transport in and around town. Before getting too lengthy, join me in thanking our partner organizations, whose members stand at the hub of the event. Therapeutic Recreation Services (TRS), City of SD Park & Recreation San Diego County Bicycle Coalition (SDCBC) North County Cycle Club (NCCC) Wheel Fun Rentals ? Embarcadero Special thanks to the many PTP volunteers, who were outstanding in providing necessary support in every way possible, and with the attitude and leadership that breeds success. I hope you all reflect positively on a special event we shared on Sunday last, and look forward with me to Stage 2 when we Pedal to the Park again, on Sunday September 16th. Dave White Pedal to the Park ? a little different, a lotta fun ! PS ? Despite our alerts to the local media, none were astute enough to document Stage 1 in real-time. Please forward any media contacts that may have an interest in following the PTP movement. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3083 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070501/2fa38365/attachment.bin From richings at telus.net Tue May 1 16:21:03 2007 From: richings at telus.net (Ron Richings) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:21:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] URBAN CYCLIST New downloadable cycling magazine from Pittsburgh Message-ID: <20070501202058.31XTKNFJ22@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> http://www.urbancyclist.org/issue1/UrbanCyclist_Issue1.pdf Ron Richings Vancouver, BC, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted Smith of Alpine that stated that the Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing that unsafe motorist's created a liability for the tribe. Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame to not have it available to riders. As circumstances Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this weekend that includes Viejas Grade. Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com "We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/20bdf59e/attachment.html From tlettington at san.rr.com Thu May 3 10:41:05 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 07:41:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> References: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Message-ID: <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the Viejas Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits to their Casino and Outlet Center. At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted >Smith of Alpine that stated that the >Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing >that unsafe motorist's created a liability >for the tribe. > >Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame >to not have it available to riders. As circumstances >Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this >weekend that includes Viejas Grade. > >Mike Berry >www.sandiegocenturyriders.com >"We proceeded on" > Lewis and Clark, 1805 > > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/7f3febbf/attachment-0001.html From tlettington at san.rr.com Thu May 3 11:00:44 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:00:44 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? Message-ID: <200705031500.l43F0T6p011575@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Here is the letter: ============== Viejas bans bicyclists from reservation I am writing to inform the San Diego bicycle community of the Viejas Tribal Council's anti-bicyclist attitude. For decades I and other cyclists have enjoyed riding through the reservation. That ended recently when the Tribal Council banned bicycles from the reservation. Apparently, unsafe motorists created a liability for the tribe. Rather than enforce its own traffic laws, it punished San Diego County cyclists. The Viejas Tribal Council needs to learn that good community relations can't be bought with financial donations alone. More important is how it treats human beings and in this case it has mistreated San Diego County cyclists. I guess we are only welcome on the reservation if we are there to spend money. TED SMITH Alpine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/6acbe6d1/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Thu May 3 11:06:44 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:06:44 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> References: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070503075936.03578d70@cox.net> Kathy, Stephan and I are involved with a SANDAG hearing this morning - routine accommodation... In the meantime, I'd recommend that bicyclists concerned contact the County Supervisor's Office for that area... no, I don't know who that is at the moment. Sorry. At 07:41 AM 5/3/2007, Tom Lettington wrote: >Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the >Viejas Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits >to their Casino and Outlet Center. > >At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >>In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from >>Ted Smith of Alpine that stated that the >>Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. >>Citing that unsafe motorist's created a liability >>for the tribe. >> >>Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a >>shame to not have it available to riders. As circumstances >>Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this >>weekend that includes Viejas Grade. >> >>Mike Berry >>www.sandiegocenturyriders.com >>" We proceeded on" >> Lewis and Clark, 1805 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com >>To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >>http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >>List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >>For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >>e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jimbaross at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/ff34f4d8/attachment.html From bikes.alot at cox.net Thu May 3 11:09:06 2007 From: bikes.alot at cox.net (Bicyclist) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:09:06 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <200705031500.l43F0T6p011575@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> References: <200705031500.l43F0T6p011575@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070503080758.038b5cd8@cox.net> Do we have any bicyclists who bike to the Viejas casino to spend money? Their complaints might carry some weight... ? At 08:00 AM 5/3/2007, Tom Lettington wrote: > >Here is the letter: > >============== > >Viejas bans bicyclists from reservation > > > >I am writing to inform the San Diego bicycle community of the Viejas >Tribal Council's anti-bicyclist attitude. For decades I and other >cyclists have enjoyed riding through the reservation. That ended >recently when the Tribal Council banned bicycles from the >reservation. Apparently, unsafe motorists created a liability for >the tribe. Rather than enforce its own traffic laws, it punished San >Diego County cyclists. > >The Viejas Tribal Council needs to learn that good community >relations can't be bought with financial donations alone. More >important is how it treats human beings and in this case it has >mistreated San Diego County cyclists. > >I guess we are only welcome on the reservation if we are there to >spend money. > >TED SMITH >Alpine >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bikes.alot at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/155130d7/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Thu May 3 11:45:30 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:45:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Routine Accommodation, was Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070503084217.03535830@cox.net> Someone asked, what SANDAG is to decide re: routine accommodation for bicycling today. Here's a link to the agenda. Pages 7 to 11 deal with bicycling and pedestrian facilities in your future. http://www.sandag.org/uploads/meetingid/meetingid_1693_6772.pdf#xml=http://search.sandag.org/texis/search/pdfhi.txt?query=its+agenda&pr=SANDAG&prox=page&rorder=500&rprox=500&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&sufs=0&order=dd&mode=&opts=&cq=&id=4636f8a11 Sorry for huge link... the agenda is for the Cities/County Transportation Advisory Committee (CTAC) May 3. >Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:06:44 -0700 >To: Tom Lettington , Mike Berry >From: Jim Baross >Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? >Cc: Sdcbc > >Kathy, Stephan and I are involved with a SANDAG hearing this morning >- routine accommodation... > >In the meantime, I'd recommend that bicyclists concerned contact the >County Supervisor's Office for that area... no, I don't know who >that is at the moment. Sorry. > >At 07:41 AM 5/3/2007, Tom Lettington wrote: >>Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the >>Viejas Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits >>to their Casino and Outlet Center. >> >>At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >>>In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from >>>Ted Smith of Alpine that stated that the >>>Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. >>>Citing that unsafe motorist's created a liability >>>for the tribe. >>> >>>Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a >>>shame to not have it available to riders. As circumstances >>>Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this >>>weekend that includes Viejas Grade. >>> >>>Mike Berry >>>www.sandiegocenturyriders.com >>>" We proceeded on" >>> Lewis and Clark, 1805 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com >>>To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >>>http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >>>List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >>>For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >>>e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org >>_______________________________________________ >> >>You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jimbaross at cox.net >>To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >>http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >>List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >>For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >>e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/e425f6c1/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Thu May 3 12:11:07 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:11:07 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> References: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0705030911y74790072g6ef1df6c9dd96146@mail.gmail.com> It might feel the same, but this is very different from a situation where a local government restricts cyclists right-of-way by banning cyclists on some public road. On their reservation, we are guests. I suggest that anyone who writes to Viejas express dismay with the decision to ban cyclists in the context of understanding and showing respect for the fact that it's their land and they have the right to make this decision. Serge On 5/3/07, Tom Lettington wrote: > > Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the Viejas > Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits to their Casino > and Outlet Center. > > At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: > > In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted Smith > of Alpine that stated that the > Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing that > unsafe motorist's created a liability > for the tribe. > > Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame to > not have it available to riders. As circumstances > Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this weekend > that includes Viejas Grade. > > Mike Berry > www.sandiegocenturyriders.com > *"* We proceeded on" > Lewis and Clark, 1805 > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/92495884/attachment-0001.html From rlarkin at ci.lemon-grove.ca.us Thu May 3 12:26:05 2007 From: rlarkin at ci.lemon-grove.ca.us (Robert Larkins) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:26:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0705030911y74790072g6ef1df6c9dd96146@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <637D18A51AC235488306D8DBACD8E8F884BBCD@LEMONLINKE2K01.ENTERPRISE.LemonLinkSP.net> Are the roads through the reservation county maintained roads or tribal maintained roads? If they are maintained by the County, the tribe may not have jurisdiction as long as cyclist stay within the right-of-way. Robert ________________________________ From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Serge Issakov Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:11 AM To: Tom Lettington Cc: Sdcbc Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? It might feel the same, but this is very different from a situation where a local government restricts cyclists right-of-way by banning cyclists on some public road. On their reservation, we are guests. I suggest that anyone who writes to Viejas express dismay with the decision to ban cyclists in the context of understanding and showing respect for the fact that it's their land and they have the right to make this decision. Serge On 5/3/07, Tom Lettington wrote: Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the Viejas Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits to their Casino and Outlet Center. At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted Smith of Alpine that stated that the Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing that unsafe motorist's created a liability for the tribe. Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame to not have it available to riders. As circumstances Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this weekend that includes Viejas Grade. Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com " We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/e6977717/attachment.html From mberry2 at cox.net Thu May 3 16:41:14 2007 From: mberry2 at cox.net (Mike Berry) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:41:14 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0705030911y74790072g6ef1df6c9dd96146@mail.gmail.com> References: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> <69ec985b0705030911y74790072g6ef1df6c9dd96146@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c78dc3$64644320$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> I have sent email and left a phone message with the Viejas Community Relations office. Let's see what their response is and what we can do to work with the tribe to remedy the situation (if their truly is a situation) Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com "We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 _____ From: serge.issakov at gmail.com [mailto:serge.issakov at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Serge Issakov Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:11 AM To: Tom Lettington Cc: Mike Berry; Sdcbc Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? It might feel the same, but this is very different from a situation where a local government restricts cyclists right-of-way by banning cyclists on some public road. On their reservation, we are guests. I suggest that anyone who writes to Viejas express dismay with the decision to ban cyclists in the context of understanding and showing respect for the fact that it's their land and they have the right to make this decision. Serge On 5/3/07, Tom Lettington wrote: Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the Viejas Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits to their Casino and Outlet Center. At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted Smith of Alpine that stated that the Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing that unsafe motorist's created a liability for the tribe. Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame to not have it available to riders. As circumstances Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this weekend that includes Viejas Grade. Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com " We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/6dacd053/attachment-0001.html From mwelch at pol.net Thu May 3 16:56:55 2007 From: mwelch at pol.net (Michael Welch ) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] (no subject) Message-ID: <17646.10.250.10.1.1178225815.squirrel@webmail.medscape.com> A question for cyclists: I was riding home from Petco the other day, after the Pedal to the Park event, and stopped for some air in my tires at a gas station. The air hose unit had a slot for coins, but my understanding was that there was a state law specifying a gas station cannot charge for use of their outside air machine. Therefore, I went to the attendant, and ask him to turn on the compressor, so as to activate the air hose. I've done this a number of other times in the past, at other stations, without any objection. However, this attendant told me that the air was only free if I was gassing up at the station, and not otherwise. What do you know? If the attendant correct? Am I correct? Mike Welch From mberry2 at cox.net Thu May 3 17:02:43 2007 From: mberry2 at cox.net (Mike Berry) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:02:43 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <17646.10.250.10.1.1178225815.squirrel@webmail.medscape.com> References: <17646.10.250.10.1.1178225815.squirrel@webmail.medscape.com> Message-ID: <000501c78dc6$64f976e0$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> The law pertains to gas station customers..buy gas and the air is free...You were not a customer...you bought no gas.. Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com "We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Michael Welch Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:57 PM To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: [SDCBC] (no subject) A question for cyclists: I was riding home from Petco the other day, after the Pedal to the Park event, and stopped for some air in my tires at a gas station. The air hose unit had a slot for coins, but my understanding was that there was a state law specifying a gas station cannot charge for use of their outside air machine. Therefore, I went to the attendant, and ask him to turn on the compressor, so as to activate the air hose. I've done this a number of other times in the past, at other stations, without any objection. However, this attendant told me that the air was only free if I was gassing up at the station, and not otherwise. What do you know? If the attendant correct? Am I correct? Mike Welch _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as mberry2 at cox.net To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From thomas.treynolds at gmail.com Thu May 3 18:38:34 2007 From: thomas.treynolds at gmail.com (Thomas Reynolds) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:38:34 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <003d01c78dc3$64644320$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> References: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> <69ec985b0705030911y74790072g6ef1df6c9dd96146@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c78dc3$64644320$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Message-ID: <998c822f0705031538h16f94fdfs934715088d22de3a@mail.gmail.com> Mike, Please let us know when/if they get back to you. It's strange because there is a marked bike lane right in front of the Casino, Viejas used to (maybe still does) sponsor a bicycle racing team, and they were sponsors of the Alpine Challenge, run last weekend, which goes right in front of their casino. Tom On 5/3/07, Mike Berry wrote: > > > > I have sent email and left a phone message with the Viejas Community > Relations office. Let's see what their response is and what we can do to > work with the tribe to remedy the situation (if their truly is a situation) > > > > > Mike Berry > > www.sandiegocenturyriders.com > > "We proceeded on" > > Lewis and Clark, 1805 > > > ________________________________ > > > From: serge.issakov at gmail.com [mailto:serge.issakov at gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Serge Issakov > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:11 AM > To: Tom Lettington > Cc: Mike Berry; Sdcbc > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? > > > > > > It might feel the same, but this is very different from a situation where a > local government restricts cyclists right-of-way by banning cyclists on some > public road. On their reservation, we are guests. > > I suggest that anyone who writes to Viejas express dismay with the decision > to ban cyclists in the context of understanding and showing respect for the > fact that it's their land and they have the right to make this decision. > > Serge > > > On 5/3/07, Tom Lettington wrote: > > > Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the Viejas > Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits to their Casino > and Outlet Center. > > > > > At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: > > > > > In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted Smith > of Alpine that stated that the > Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing that > unsafe motorist's created a liability > for the tribe. > > Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame to not > have it available to riders. As circumstances > Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this weekend > that includes Viejas Grade. > > Mike Berry > www.sandiegocenturyriders.com > " We proceeded on" > Lewis and Clark, 1805 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as thomas.treynolds at gmail.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > From ebert1 at cox.net Thu May 3 21:00:54 2007 From: ebert1 at cox.net (Carl Ebert III) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:00:54 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <998c822f0705031538h16f94fdfs934715088d22de3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> <69ec985b0705030911y74790072g6ef1df6c9dd96146@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c78dc3$64644320$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <998c822f0705031538h16f94fdfs934715088d22de3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b8c428259f3b2d6995a7326d285ca15@cox.net> They closed Browns Road Carl On May 3, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Thomas Reynolds wrote: > Mike, > > Please let us know when/if they get back to you. > > It's strange because there is a marked bike lane right in front of the > Casino, Viejas used to (maybe still does) sponsor a bicycle racing > team, and they were sponsors of the Alpine Challenge, run last > weekend, which goes right in front of their casino. > > Tom > > On 5/3/07, Mike Berry wrote: >> >> >> >> I have sent email and left a phone message with the Viejas Community >> Relations office. Let's see what their response is and what we can do >> to >> work with the tribe to remedy the situation (if their truly is a >> situation) >> >> >> >> >> Mike Berry >> >> www.sandiegocenturyriders.com >> >> "We proceeded on" >> >> Lewis and Clark, 1805 >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: serge.issakov at gmail.com [mailto:serge.issakov at gmail.com] On >> Behalf Of >> Serge Issakov >> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:11 AM >> To: Tom Lettington >> Cc: Mike Berry; Sdcbc >> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? >> >> >> >> >> >> It might feel the same, but this is very different from a situation >> where a >> local government restricts cyclists right-of-way by banning cyclists >> on some >> public road. On their reservation, we are guests. >> >> I suggest that anyone who writes to Viejas express dismay with the >> decision >> to ban cyclists in the context of understanding and showing respect >> for the >> fact that it's their land and they have the right to make this >> decision. >> >> Serge >> >> >> On 5/3/07, Tom Lettington wrote: >> >> >> Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the >> Viejas >> Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits to their >> Casino >> and Outlet Center. >> >> >> >> >> At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted >> Smith >> of Alpine that stated that the >> Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing >> that >> unsafe motorist's created a liability >> for the tribe. >> >> Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame >> to not >> have it available to riders. As circumstances >> Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this >> weekend >> that includes Viejas Grade. >> >> Mike Berry >> www.sandiegocenturyriders.com >> " We proceeded on" >> Lewis and Clark, 1805 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com >> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >> http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >> List privacy information is located at >> http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >> e-mail to >> postmaster at stickman-computing.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org >> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >> http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >> List privacy information is located at >> http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >> e-mail to >> postmaster at stickman-computing.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as >> thomas.treynolds at gmail.com >> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >> http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >> List privacy information is located at >> http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >> e-mail to >> postmaster at stickman-computing.org >> > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as ebert1 at cox.net > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > Thou shalt honor thy quilts by giving them only in love and not out of a sense of obligation. From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Thu May 3 21:22:31 2007 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:22:31 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Lake Miramar Dam Gate to open . . . Message-ID: <2ccb9f32d51d1d3b8ffa487a9e8e9b2a@san.rr.com> . . . to allow full 5 mile loop access to cyclists and others. San Diego City Councilmember Brian Maienschein gets the credit. Scheduled opening is 1 July, after a $100K+ fence is built. Last such local 9-11 change for Homeland Defense to get relaxed. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 299 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/18d5676c/attachment.bin From tlettington at san.rr.com Thu May 3 22:01:20 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 19:01:20 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <8b8c428259f3b2d6995a7326d285ca15@cox.net> References: <004601c78d87$11146880$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <200705031440.l43Eepup014984@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> <69ec985b0705030911y74790072g6ef1df6c9dd96146@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c78dc3$64644320$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <998c822f0705031538h16f94fdfs934715088d22de3a@mail.gmail.com> <8b8c428259f3b2d6995a7326d285ca15@cox.net> Message-ID: <200705040201.l442147M023327@ms-smtp-03.socal.rr.com> I rode past Willow Road and Viejas Grade Road today then up Viejas Grade Road past the demarkation point for reservation property. No sign indicating any restriction on bicycles, only the old sign saying that going past that sign makes one subject to Tribal rules. . At 06:00 PM 5/3/2007, Carl Ebert III wrote: >They closed Browns Road >Carl >On May 3, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Thomas Reynolds wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > Please let us know when/if they get back to you. > > > > It's strange because there is a marked bike lane right in front of the > > Casino, Viejas used to (maybe still does) sponsor a bicycle racing > > team, and they were sponsors of the Alpine Challenge, run last > > weekend, which goes right in front of their casino. > > > > Tom > > > > On 5/3/07, Mike Berry wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I have sent email and left a phone message with the Viejas Community > >> Relations office. Let's see what their response is and what we can do > >> to > >> work with the tribe to remedy the situation (if their truly is a > >> situation) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike Berry > >> > >> www.sandiegocenturyriders.com > >> > >> "We proceeded on" > >> > >> Lewis and Clark, 1805 > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> > >> From: serge.issakov at gmail.com [mailto:serge.issakov at gmail.com] On > >> Behalf Of > >> Serge Issakov > >> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:11 AM > >> To: Tom Lettington > >> Cc: Mike Berry; Sdcbc > >> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> It might feel the same, but this is very different from a situation > >> where a > >> local government restricts cyclists right-of-way by banning cyclists > >> on some > >> public road. On their reservation, we are guests. > >> > >> I suggest that anyone who writes to Viejas express dismay with the > >> decision > >> to ban cyclists in the context of understanding and showing respect > >> for the > >> fact that it's their land and they have the right to make this > >> decision. > >> > >> Serge > >> > >> > >> On 5/3/07, Tom Lettington wrote: > >> > >> > >> Do you have a suggested email address where I can go to tell the > >> Viejas > >> Tribal Council that this cyclist will plan no further visits to their > >> Casino > >> and Outlet Center. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 06:29 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted > >> Smith > >> of Alpine that stated that the > >> Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing > >> that > >> unsafe motorist's created a liability > >> for the tribe. > >> > >> Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame > >> to not > >> have it available to riders. As circumstances > >> Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this > >> weekend > >> that includes Viejas Grade. > >> > >> Mike Berry > >> www.sandiegocenturyriders.com > >> " We proceeded on" > >> Lewis and Clark, 1805 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com > >> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > >> http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > >> List privacy information is located at > >> http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > >> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > >> e-mail to > >> postmaster at stickman-computing.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > >> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > >> http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > >> List privacy information is located at > >> http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > >> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > >> e-mail to > >> postmaster at stickman-computing.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as > >> thomas.treynolds at gmail.com > >> To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > >> http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > >> List privacy information is located at > >> http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > >> For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > >> e-mail to > >> postmaster at stickman-computing.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as ebert1 at cox.net > > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > > List privacy information is located at > > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > > >Thou shalt honor thy quilts by giving them only in love and not out of >a sense of obligation. > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as tlettington at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Thu May 3 23:32:17 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:32:17 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In-Reply-To: <200705040201.l442147M023327@ms-smtp-03.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Given all the traffic, drunk driving, crime, and other byproducts of the Indian gaming "industry," they should at least work with us on this issue, which smells alot like San Juan Cap.'s recent attempt to ban bicycles on Coast Highway 101 instead of stepping up enforcement of existing drunk driving laws. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Tom Lettington Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:01 PM To: Carl Ebert III; Thomas Reynolds Cc: Sdcbc Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? I rode past Willow Road and Viejas Grade Road today then up Viejas Grade Road past the demarkation point for reservation property. No sign indicating any restriction on bicycles, only the old sign saying that going past that sign makes one subject to Tribal rules. From mberry2 at cox.net Thu May 3 23:42:27 2007 From: mberry2 at cox.net (Mike Berry) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:42:27 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Viejas Reservation is NOT Closed to Cyclists - only browns road Message-ID: <001501c78dfe$3c69ba40$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com "We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 _____ From: Pete Masiel [mailto:pmasiel at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:34 PM To: Mike Berry; Angela; Darryl MacKenzie; Jim Christensen; christina winston; SUSAN WILKINS; larry wallis; tom temple; Ian McIntyre; John Allen Robinson; alpineswede at cox.net; bike3: cox.net; John; Johnnie U; timt: ricehall.com; Deanna Giller; Deano Kirby Cc: Pete Masiel; Pete; Ernie Ameng; sdcentury at topica.com; sdlongriders at topica.com; Bill Aaron; Eric; Nancy Morris; Richard; Wendy Subject: Viejas Reservation is NOT Closed to Cyclists - only browns road Hi ALL, I know the letter to the editor in today's paper stated that Viejas Reservation was closed to cyclists. This is NOT true! Can you please pass this on to your mailing lists: Today I stopped by the Tribal office on the way to Viejas Grade. I asked for clearification about the news article; here's what I found out: The Tribal peace officer informed me that Viejas Reservation is open and just Browns Road is closed to cyclists for their safety. (Just passing on the info as passed on to me.) Have a great ride! Pete Masiel http://peteandwendycycling.com Pete Masiel wrote: Not the whole Res is closed. It's just that part that goes straight at the park. If you go to the grade you should be ok. At least that was what we were told when we were out there, by a tribal officer. Pete Mike Berry wrote: Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com "We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 _____ From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Mike Berry Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:29 AM To: Sdcbc Subject: [SDCBC] Viejas Reservation Closed to Cyclists? In the Union Tribune today there was a letter to the editor from Ted Smith of Alpine that stated that the Viejas Tribal Council had closed the reservation to cyclists. Citing that unsafe motorist's created a liability for the tribe. Viejas Grade is a favorite of local cyclists and It would be a shame to not have it available to riders. As circumstances Would have it, the century riders have a club ride scheduled this weekend that includes Viejas Grade. Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com "We proceeded on" Lewis and Clark, 1805 _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as mberry2 at cox.net To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070503/ffe363aa/attachment.html From zpcallahan at wildmail.com Fri May 4 00:26:39 2007 From: zpcallahan at wildmail.com (Pauline Callahan) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:26:39 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Lake Miramar Dam Gate to open . . . Message-ID: <23D18292FD3BA994AB852FD644A9DD92@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> This is WONDERFUL news. ?We should all send thanks to those responsible for making this happen.......I know many "begining" and "family" cyclist who quit going to Miramar Lake because they couldn't go all the way around any more. We are quick to complain when something is closed to us.....lets be just as quick to send our appreciation when something is opened to us. ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Dave White Sent: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:22:31 -0700 To: SDCBC CC: Connie Hegey Subject: [SDCBC] Lake Miramar Dam Gate to open . . . . . . to allow full 5 mile loop access to cyclists and others. San Diego City Councilmember Brian Maienschein gets the credit. ? Scheduled opening is 1 July, after a $100K+ fence is built. ?Last such local 9-11 change for Homeland Defense to get relaxed. ---- End Original Message ---- ****************************************************************************** Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things! http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million members! From execdir at sdcbc.org Fri May 4 11:07:05 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:07:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Lake Miramar Dam Gate to open . . . In-Reply-To: <23D18292FD3BA994AB852FD644A9DD92@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> References: <23D18292FD3BA994AB852FD644A9DD92@zpcallahan.wildmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c78e5d$e1333240$a39996c0$@org> The person to thank is Brian Maienschein, Councilman for San Diego District 5. He and his office have been working on this since 2001, and it's a great success for the community. You can send an email to bmaienschein at sandiego.gov or call (619) 236-6655. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Pauline Callahan Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:27 PM To: dwhite7 at san.rr.com; sdcbc Cc: connie hegey Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Lake Miramar Dam Gate to open . . . This is WONDERFUL news. ?We should all send thanks to those responsible for making this happen.......I know many "begining" and "family" cyclist who quit going to Miramar Lake because they couldn't go all the way around any more. We are quick to complain when something is closed to us.....lets be just as quick to send our appreciation when something is opened to us. ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Dave White Sent: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:22:31 -0700 To: SDCBC CC: Connie Hegey Subject: [SDCBC] Lake Miramar Dam Gate to open . . . . . . to allow full 5 mile loop access to cyclists and others. San Diego City Councilmember Brian Maienschein gets the credit. ? Scheduled opening is 1 July, after a $100K+ fence is built. ?Last such local 9-11 change for Homeland Defense to get relaxed. ---- End Original Message ---- **************************************************************************** ** Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things! http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million members! _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as execdir at sdcbc.org To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From richings at telus.net Fri May 4 13:57:06 2007 From: richings at telus.net (Ron Richings) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:57:06 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Trucks and bike safety Message-ID: <20070504175659.642DKSHU2L@priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net> http://www.torontoist.com/archives/2007/05/new_summer_same.php May 3, 2007 New Summer, Same Question: Why No Wheel Guards? truck_tires.jpg Toronto is a city of non-stop construction, which means non-stop trucks and trailers. We are also increasingly a city of cyclists, and sometimes the combination of these trucks and bikes can be deadly. Large trucking vehicles and school buses have a huge open space in front of their real wheels, and their raised chassis can easily cause a cyclist or pedestrian to be snagged and crushed beneath. A regional Toronto Coroner's report from 1998 recommended that Transport Canada-our federal vehicle regulatory body-set requirements in the Motor Vehicle Transport Act that all new trucks be designed with side wheel guards to deflect cyclists in a collision. Existing trucks would be required to retrofit the panels over a period of time. Last summer's staff report [PDF ] from the Toronto Public Works Committee examined the issue and also underscored the benefit of under-ride protection panels or deflective crossmembers. In the U.K. and Europe, the deflectors have been mandated by law since the 1980s. According to the City staff report, Transport Canada advised that there is currently "no similar Canadian regulation because the nature of the traffic mix in Canada is different to that in Europe." So? With few bike lanes and so many construction and utility vehicles, Toronto cyclists are at particular risk at a rate of about ten injurious collisions with large trucks annually. Between 2005 and 2006, five cyclists died in collisions with trucks, and a 2003 study found "that non-fatal collisions with trucks tend to cause more serious injuries to cyclists than collisions with other vehicles," mainly due to the vehicles significant mass and slow-moving tires. Cyclists are also often invisible to drivers, passing right through the truck's blind spot, and a driver may not even know there's been a collision. truck_tires_guard.jpgThough the City considered setting an example by designing and retrofitting its own fleet (which has an excellent safety record), they are having trouble justifying the cost of the implementation, especially since side guards apparently aren't available from any North American supplier (um, how about this company ?). Instead, it was recommended that City Council appeal to Transport Canada to pass new legislation on a national basis, which would then include the City fleet. Transport Canada could create new regulations immediately, but continues to believe that it's not a pressing issue. What is particularly frustrating is that Transport Canada passed new rules in 2004 to be in full-effect by September that requires transport trailers to have better rear impact guards to protect people in cars from sliding under the truck's chassis in a read-end collision. The level of importance is based on the number of deaths or serious injuries factored with the amount of cars and trucks on the road. By their logic, the two cyclists killed under the wheels of a truck last summer and the three killed in 2005 were not enough, nor is the fact that 37% of cyclist traffic deaths involve trucks. The trucking companies won't implement the deflectors themselves because it's expensive to install and maintain them, and the Canadian companies feel that the rules would have to be adopted simultaneously throughout the United States Department of Transportation for a retrofit to be fair. truck_tires_options.jpg So, we've got a nine-year-old Coroner's report from almost a decade ago, recommendations from City Council and other biking organizations, and a bunch of dead cyclists. What will it take for Transport Canada to actively and rapidly consider a measure that is obviously so critically important to those who share the streets with these gigantic vehicles? Top and bottom images by Marc Lostracco; middle photo courtesy of Public Transportation Safety International Corp. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our new resident professor, the Cyclologist, has been letting the train take the strain while his pocket has had to take the strain of all the extra tickets needed to do so; we've been speaking to Nick Harvey of Bike Week about this year's events; and really, I would just like everyone out on their bikes to cheer up a bit! We also have our regular features, from the results on our poll about how far you commute (and not pavement cycling as shown on the cover, that was last month...) to some more fantastic shots from our Flickr group. As ever the back issues are there for those bored moments at work. And one piece of admin, we've had a few people now asking about getting this in a pdf format. We had a few issues where this was done, and it went down well, and then the citycycling IT system went up in smoke. We haven't quite got everything back up working yet, but I am assured that come issue 24 we will once again be offering the magazine as a pdf download. 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Promo event at Adams Ave Bike Shop Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070508144419.03ab2310@cox.net> SANDAG is planning a promotional media event next Monday, May 14th at 10:30 a.m. Yes, you can show up too... and get your own new version, hot-off-the-presses Regional Bike Map. 2606 Adams Ave, San Diego, 92116 See you there? > SANDAG is planning a promotional event next Monday at Adams Ave. > Bicycles. promoting the new Regional Bicycle Map and Bike to Work > Day, with a media event at Adams Avenue Bicycle on Monday, May 14 > at 10:30 a.m. Jim Baross San Diego, California 619-280-6908 Chair, SANDAG Bicycle Pedestrian Working Group Vice Chair, Calif. Bicycle Advisory Committee President, Calif. Association of Bicycle Organizations Board Member, Calif. 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Farther down the path, construction debris and equipment has partly obstructed the path, but it remains passable: http://www.efgh.com/temp/29282.jpg The side path that runs under the railroad and connects the main path to Pacific Street is closed: http://www.efgh.com/temp/29284.jpg The hole in the fence suggests that the side path might actually be passable, but a view from the other end shows that it is not: http://www.efgh.com/temp/29286.jpg -- Philip Erdelsky From declan at declan.net Wed May 9 00:49:21 2007 From: declan at declan.net (Declan Fleming) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 21:49:21 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Now we all need video cam wielding 12th graders following us for protection... Message-ID: <31b0064e0705082149v75113abbv23db9766396cb787@mail.gmail.com> http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_10783.aspx Originally noticed on BoingBoing http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/08/high_school_students.html D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From trevorspoke at cox.net Thu May 10 02:41:41 2007 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (Trevor Bourget) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 23:41:41 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Mission Valley, Camino de le Reina repaved In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070509193058.03cb1420@cox.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070509193058.03cb1420@cox.net> Message-ID: <20070510064143.XYYD24310.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> On a related note, I went on the SDBC Saturday ride and submitted some street requests that were quickly answered: patches on northbound Genesee approaching I-15, and left turn lane signal loop detector sensitivity at four intersections in the UTC/Sorrento Valley part of the route. -- Trevor From execdir at sdcbc.org Thu May 10 12:21:57 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:21:57 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Helmet Fair in Linda Vista, and ride notice for next week Message-ID: <001701c7931f$54de1be0$fe9a53a0$@org> Two exciting items for the list. Call for volunteers. This Saturday (May 12), Linda Vista Civic Association and County Supervisor Ron Roberts host a helmet/safety fair 10AM-1PM At the BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB in LINDA VISTA. 2230 East Jewett We will be fitting and handing out 250 children's bicycle and all purpose helmets (all sizes) FREE of charge, There will also be a bike rodeo, courtesy of SAFE MOVES. I'll be there fitting helmets, and I could really use a hand for what will hopefully be a big turnout. So if you have some time and would like to volunteer, please let me know, or just show up. No experience necessary. :-) Next Saturday, May 19th - don't forget it's Ride the River! We'll be leaving from Dog Beach (at the end of Voltaire in Ocean Beach) as a celebration of the San Diego River and of bicycling. Meet at 9:15 for 9:30 ride. First 20 riders get a free t-shirt! I'm still looking for a couple of ride leaders for the long ride, so if you're interested, please let me know. ----------------------------------------------- Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070510/e676111b/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Thu May 10 19:02:40 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:02:40 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Bike to Work Day historic Pastries! Message-ID: <00a901c79357$4f5c8610$ee159230$@org> Those Culinary School folks know how to do Bike to Work Day up right! Don't miss the fun. Kathy From: Craddick, Robert [mailto:rcraddick at aii.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:17 PM To: execdir at sdcbc.org Subject: Bike to Work Day historic Pastries! The Art Institute of California - San Diego is once again serving as a Pit Stop for cycling commuters between 6:30 am - 8:30 am on Bike To Work Day May 18th. Culinary Staff and Students are preparing a light menu for cycling commuter's as well as last year's favorite-- the historic Paris-Brest pastries! The Paris-Brest is a bicycle tyre-shaped pastry filled with piped pastry cream and sometimes garnished with almonds and sugar. A French pastry chef first created these treats in the early 1890s to celebrate the Paris-Brest Bicycle Race and honor all cyclists. The Art Institute of California - San Diego invites all cyclists to come celebrate a bit of culinary history and cycling companionship at 7650 Mission Valley Road between 6:30 and 8:30 am in Mission Valley's only Bike-to-Work Day Pit Stop. 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The event also kicks off >Bike-to-Work week and promotes bicycle commuting in San Diego. >The free 2007 San Diego Region Bike Map covers the county with more >than 1,000 miles of bicycle travel options including bike routes, >paths, and lanes; areas with freeway shoulder access; terrain >shading; and more. The map also features bike locker and bike shop >locations, bicycle safety information, security tips, and explains >how to take a bike on buses, the trolley, and the COASTER commuter rail. >The map is available just in time for Bike-to-Work Day on Friday, >May 18, 2007. >The new map is printed on waterproof and tear-resistant paper. >SANDAG thanks the sponsors that contributed to the production of the >new bike map including support from Arjobex Paper; Adams Avenue >Bicycles; Black Mountain Bicycles; Flexcar; Neyenesch Printers, REI; >and the San Diego Convention and Visitor's Bureau. ># # # > >About RideLink >RideLink is the San Diego regional >transportation assistance program managed by SANDAG. RideLink >assists commuters with ridematching services, transit options, a >guaranteed ride home program, regional bike lockers, the San Diego >Regional Vanpool program, and SchoolPool services. RideLink also >provides free consulting services to help local businesses launch >employee commute programs. >About SANDAG >The San Diego Association of Governments >(SANDAG) is the region's primary research, planning, and >transportation agency, providing the public forum for regional >policy decisions about growth, transportation, transit planning and >construction, environmental management, housing, open space, energy, >public safety, and binational topics. SANDAG is composed of mayors, >councilmembers, and county supervisors from each of the region's 18 >cities and county supervisors from each of the region's 18 cities and county government. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Genesee->I5 North->Sorrento Valley Road commute can be particularly trouble-some in the evening/darkness b/c this section is down-hill not well lighted (dark) - which doesn't allow a whole lot of reaction time - particularly if speeding traffic is wheezing by you. Since this particular section of highway/hazard/bike lane is shared w/ cyclist - any chance that we can get this section of road on a higher priority cleanup area for debris. Just this week, I had to avoid - bed box spring, truck tire treads, hard-hat, wood framing debris as well as the normal rocks, broken glass, sand, dust, etc that the highway normally pushes over into this lane. Anything you might be able to regarding this matter would be much appreciated. -MD From kevin.reindl at gmail.com Thu May 10 23:11:38 2007 From: kevin.reindl at gmail.com (Kevin Reindl) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:11:38 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep Message-ID: Greetings all, I regularly communte to work using the Friar's road bike lane between Sea World Drive and Mission Valley. This bike lane is littered with debris that makes it difficult to ride in. I have gotten a couple of flat tires from shards of glass/debris in the last few months. As such, I have recently been using the car lane (much to the dislike of cars speeding past me at 55 MPH). I would probably go back to the bike lane on a regular basis if it were cleaner and smoother. In fact, most bikers I see on Friars don't even take the east-bound bike lane (probably because of the concrete barrier and the debris). OK, to get to the point...do any of you bike commuters have contact with anyone from the city streets department responsible for street sweeping or bike lane repaving? At a minimum, it would be nice to have the bike lane swept clean of debris...ideally, it might be nice to have it repaved to smooth it out and prevent weeds from overgrowing the lane. Thanks to everyone from SDCBC for all of your efforts and continued support of bicycling. From dwhite7 at san.rr.com Thu May 10 23:33:43 2007 From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:33:43 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7984f4aec08095f84cf0d023caa527b6@san.rr.com> From the SDCBC "Government Contacts" page, try the San Diego Street Division Services link at http://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/ where you can submit a service request On May 10, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Kevin Reindl wrote: > Greetings all, > > I regularly communte to work using the Friar's road bike lane between > Sea > World Drive and Mission Valley. This bike lane is littered with debris > that > makes it difficult to ride in. I have gotten a couple of flat tires > from > shards of glass/debris in the last few months. As such, I have > recently been > using the car lane (much to the dislike of cars speeding past me at 55 > MPH). > I would probably go back to the bike lane on a regular basis if it were > cleaner and smoother. In fact, most bikers I see on Friars don't even > take > the east-bound bike lane (probably because of the concrete barrier and > the > debris). > > OK, to get to the point...do any of you bike commuters have contact > with > anyone from the city streets department responsible for street > sweeping or > bike lane repaving? At a minimum, it would be nice to have the bike > lane > swept clean of debris...ideally, it might be nice to have it repaved to > smooth it out and prevent weeds from overgrowing the lane. > > Thanks to everyone from SDCBC for all of your efforts and continued > support > of bicycling. > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as dwhite7 at san.rr.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org > From serge at issakov.org Fri May 11 00:48:36 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:48:36 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ec985b0705102148r7a442ca5jc305072503179327@mail.gmail.com> Kevin, Are you talking about the sidepath to the right of the barrier, or the bike lane to the left of the barrier? Serge On 5/10/07, Kevin Reindl wrote: > > Greetings all, > > I regularly communte to work using the Friar's road bike lane between Sea > World Drive and Mission Valley. This bike lane is littered with debris > that > makes it difficult to ride in. I have gotten a couple of flat tires from > shards of glass/debris in the last few months. As such, I have recently > been > using the car lane (much to the dislike of cars speeding past me at 55 > MPH). > I would probably go back to the bike lane on a regular basis if it were > cleaner and smoother. In fact, most bikers I see on Friars don't even take > the east-bound bike lane (probably because of the concrete barrier and the > debris). > > OK, to get to the point...do any of you bike commuters have contact with > anyone from the city streets department responsible for street sweeping or > bike lane repaving? At a minimum, it would be nice to have the bike lane > swept clean of debris...ideally, it might be nice to have it repaved to > smooth it out and prevent weeds from overgrowing the lane. > > Thanks to everyone from SDCBC for all of your efforts and continued > support > of bicycling. > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as serge at issakov.org > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070511/9ee194c9/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Fri May 11 01:23:39 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:23:39 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> That bermed off space is not a bike lane. It is a non-standard facility that should be removed, IMHO... or changed in some major manner that I cannot envision. There are many people however who feel safer behind the berm or on the sidewalk; they don't seem to notice or mind the inconveniences, but I certainly hope they realize the hazards they face at every driveway and intersection! Anyone may make a complaint or request for street maintenance online via http://apps.sandiego.gov/streetdiv/. But I notice that it is out of service until May 13th. :-( I encourage you/anyone to use the service frequently and without hesitation. They offer this alternative: "If you are reporting an Emergency Situation or have difficulty completing the request, please contact Street Division at 619-527-7500." At 08:11 PM 5/10/2007, you wrote: >Greetings all, > >I regularly communte to work using the Friar's road bike lane between Sea >World Drive and Mission Valley. This bike lane is littered with debris that >makes it difficult to ride in. I have gotten a couple of flat tires from >shards of glass/debris in the last few months. As such, I have recently been >using the car lane (much to the dislike of cars speeding past me at 55 MPH). >I would probably go back to the bike lane on a regular basis if it were >cleaner and smoother. In fact, most bikers I see on Friars don't even take >the east-bound bike lane (probably because of the concrete barrier and the >debris). > >OK, to get to the point...do any of you bike commuters have contact with >anyone from the city streets department responsible for street sweeping or >bike lane repaving? At a minimum, it would be nice to have the bike lane >swept clean of debris...ideally, it might be nice to have it repaved to >smooth it out and prevent weeds from overgrowing the lane. > >Thanks to everyone from SDCBC for all of your efforts and continued support >of bicycling. Jim Baross San Diego, California Chair, SANDAG Bicycle Pedestrian Working Group Vice Chair, Calif. Bicycle Advisory Committee President, Calif. Association of Bicycle Organizations Board Member, Calif. Bicycle Coalition Chair, Strategic Highway Safety Plan, Bicycling Safety Spokesperson, San Diego County Bicycle Coalition League LCI Trainer & Effective Cycling Instructor #185 K-C "Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on our public roads, just as does every other user. Nothing more is expected. Nothing less is acceptable." Jack R. Taylor "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles." John Forester "Same Roads Same Rules Same Rights" SDCBC "Roads are for people, not just for people in cars." Jim Baross From public at exwis.com Fri May 11 08:59:08 2007 From: public at exwis.com (Fulton Martin) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:59:08 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> Message-ID: <4644689C.2030507@exwis.com> If I'm not mistaken, the reason it gets so dirty is that a regular street sweeper doesn't fit within it, so any sweeping has to be done manually. Jim Baross wrote: > That bermed off space is not a bike lane. It is a non-standard > facility that should be removed, IMHO... or changed in some major > manner that I cannot envision. There are many people however who feel > safer behind the berm or on the sidewalk; they don't seem to notice > or mind the inconveniences, but I certainly hope they realize the > hazards they face at every driveway and intersection! -- Fulton Martin __=o&o>__ public at exwis.com San Diego, CA N32 43.956, W117 05.874 From gcarman at san.rr.com Fri May 11 09:45:07 2007 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:45:07 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: <4644689C.2030507@exwis.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> <4644689C.2030507@exwis.com> Message-ID: <200705111344.l4BDiFb3012748@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> At one time the city owned a sweeper that fit that lane... but it has since broken and the city has determined that the budget doesn't have room for a new sweeper. Meantime Friars road used to be a 45MPH road with fairly light traffic and few intersections... but the valley has been fully developed, lots of new homes have been added along with driveways, and other intersections, and the speed on the road somehow has been "updated." (to reflect not better conditions, but simply motorists moving faster) thus making the road decidedly less than bike friendly. At 05:59 AM 5/11/2007, Fulton Martin wrote: >If I'm not mistaken, the reason it gets so dirty is that a regular >street sweeper doesn't fit within it, so any sweeping has to be done >manually. > >Jim Baross wrote: > > That bermed off space is not a bike lane. It is a non-standard > > facility that should be removed, IMHO... or changed in some major > > manner that I cannot envision. There are many people however who feel > > safer behind the berm or on the sidewalk; they don't seem to notice > > or mind the inconveniences, but I certainly hope they realize the > > hazards they face at every driveway and intersection! > >-- >Fulton Martin >__=o&o>__ >public at exwis.com >San Diego, CA >N32 43.956, W117 05.874 >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as gcarman at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From JimBaross at cox.net Fri May 11 11:00:39 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:00:39 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: <200705111344.l4BDiFb3012748@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> <4644689C.2030507@exwis.com> <200705111344.l4BDiFb3012748@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070511075421.03446318@cox.net> I wonder if the "updating" is an example of the current standard for setting the speed limit at (or very near) the 85% of recorded motor vehicle speeds? This "anti-speed-trap" law/standard was enacted to protect motorists from predatory traffic ticketing and since, or also is embraced by traffic engineers as a "safety practice" believing that if motorists are traveling faster, it must be safe to do so... without giving sufficient weight to the hazards higher speeds add to those who might choose to use a bicycle and walk on those roads. IMHO. :-( At 06:45 AM 5/11/2007, Gene Carman wrote: >At one time the city owned a sweeper that fit that lane... but it >has since broken and the city has determined that the budget doesn't >have room for a new sweeper. > >Meantime Friars road used to be a 45MPH road with fairly light >traffic and few intersections... but the valley has been fully >developed, lots of new homes have been added along with driveways, >and other intersections, and the speed on the road somehow has been >"updated." (to reflect not better conditions, but simply motorists >moving faster) thus making the road decidedly less than bike friendly. > >At 05:59 AM 5/11/2007, Fulton Martin wrote: > >If I'm not mistaken, the reason it gets so dirty is that a regular > >street sweeper doesn't fit within it, so any sweeping has to be done > >manually. > > > >Jim Baross wrote: > > > That bermed off space is not a bike lane. It is a non-standard > > > facility that should be removed, IMHO... or changed in some major > > > manner that I cannot envision. There are many people however who feel > > > safer behind the berm or on the sidewalk; they don't seem to notice > > > or mind the inconveniences, but I certainly hope they realize the > > > hazards they face at every driveway and intersection! > > > >-- > >Fulton Martin > >__=o&o>__ > >public at exwis.com > >San Diego, CA > >N32 43.956, W117 05.874 From bmatella at sbcglobal.net Fri May 11 11:21:42 2007 From: bmatella at sbcglobal.net (Bill Matella) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:21:42 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net><4644689C.2030507@exwis.com><200705111344.l4BDiFb3012748@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070511075421.03446318@cox.net> Message-ID: <002d01c793e0$15112130$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Without generalizing to Friars Road specifically, I have seen the "anti-speed trap law result in lower speeds as well as higher. Generally, as a road becomes more congested with more side friction, the speeds actually decrease. Therefore, when the roadway speed limit is recertified for radar, an engineering study is performed, including a speed survey to determine the 85th percentile. I have seen citizen groups request forgoing the radar certification of a speed limit just to keep the nominal speed plate lower. I cannot attest that all governmental entities follow the state law with equal enthusiasm. Bill Matella SDCBC San Diego Traffic Advisory Committee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Baross" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep >I wonder if the "updating" is an example of the current standard for > setting the speed limit at (or very near) the 85% of recorded motor > vehicle speeds? This "anti-speed-trap" law/standard was enacted to > protect motorists from predatory traffic ticketing and since, or also > is embraced by traffic engineers as a "safety practice" believing > that if motorists are traveling faster, it must be safe to do so... > without giving sufficient weight to the hazards higher speeds add to > those who might choose to use a bicycle and walk on those roads. IMHO. > :-( > > At 06:45 AM 5/11/2007, Gene Carman wrote: > >>At one time the city owned a sweeper that fit that lane... but it >>has since broken and the city has determined that the budget doesn't >>have room for a new sweeper. >> >>Meantime Friars road used to be a 45MPH road with fairly light >>traffic and few intersections... but the valley has been fully >>developed, lots of new homes have been added along with driveways, >>and other intersections, and the speed on the road somehow has been >>"updated." (to reflect not better conditions, but simply motorists >>moving faster) thus making the road decidedly less than bike friendly. >> >>At 05:59 AM 5/11/2007, Fulton Martin wrote: >> >If I'm not mistaken, the reason it gets so dirty is that a regular >> >street sweeper doesn't fit within it, so any sweeping has to be done >> >manually. >> > >> >Jim Baross wrote: >> > > That bermed off space is not a bike lane. It is a non-standard >> > > facility that should be removed, IMHO... or changed in some major >> > > manner that I cannot envision. There are many people however who feel >> > > safer behind the berm or on the sidewalk; they don't seem to notice >> > > or mind the inconveniences, but I certainly hope they realize the >> > > hazards they face at every driveway and intersection! >> > >> >-- >> >Fulton Martin >> >__=o&o>__ >> >public at exwis.com >> >San Diego, CA >> >N32 43.956, W117 05.874 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bmatella at sbcglobal.net > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org From JimBaross at cox.net Fri May 11 11:51:45 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:51:45 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: <002d01c793e0$15112130$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> <4644689C.2030507@exwis.com> <200705111344.l4BDiFb3012748@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070511075421.03446318@cox.net> <002d01c793e0$15112130$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070511084622.03a4f448@cox.net> Thanks Bill. You get a better idea of what's going on with your commitment to serve as our rep. on that SD Traffic Advisory Committee! How many years has it been that you've served as a volunteer for that? So, are bicyclists considered "side friction" or what when a study is done and a recommendation made. Is there a procedure that we could be more involved with to rally bicyclist "citizen groups" to request speed limits more attuned to our safety? Thanks again. Jim B At 08:21 AM 5/11/2007, Bill Matella wrote: >Without generalizing to Friars Road specifically, I have seen the >"anti-speed trap law result in lower speeds as well as higher. Generally, >as a road becomes more congested with more side friction, the speeds >actually decrease. Therefore, when the roadway speed limit is recertified >for radar, an engineering study is performed, including a speed survey to >determine the 85th percentile. I have seen citizen groups request forgoing >the radar certification of a speed limit just to keep the nominal speed >plate lower. > >I cannot attest that all governmental entities follow the state law with >equal enthusiasm. > >Bill Matella >SDCBC >San Diego Traffic Advisory Committee > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Baross" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:00 AM >Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street >Sweep > > > >I wonder if the "updating" is an example of the current standard for > > setting the speed limit at (or very near) the 85% of recorded motor > > vehicle speeds? This "anti-speed-trap" law/standard was enacted to > > protect motorists from predatory traffic ticketing and since, or also > > is embraced by traffic engineers as a "safety practice" believing > > that if motorists are traveling faster, it must be safe to do so... > > without giving sufficient weight to the hazards higher speeds add to > > those who might choose to use a bicycle and walk on those roads. IMHO. > > :-( > > > > At 06:45 AM 5/11/2007, Gene Carman wrote: > > > >>At one time the city owned a sweeper that fit that lane... but it > >>has since broken and the city has determined that the budget doesn't > >>have room for a new sweeper. > >> > >>Meantime Friars road used to be a 45MPH road with fairly light > >>traffic and few intersections... but the valley has been fully > >>developed, lots of new homes have been added along with driveways, > >>and other intersections, and the speed on the road somehow has been > >>"updated." (to reflect not better conditions, but simply motorists > >>moving faster) thus making the road decidedly less than bike friendly. > >> > >>At 05:59 AM 5/11/2007, Fulton Martin wrote: > >> >If I'm not mistaken, the reason it gets so dirty is that a regular > >> >street sweeper doesn't fit within it, so any sweeping has to be done > >> >manually. > >> > > >> >Jim Baross wrote: > >> > > That bermed off space is not a bike lane. It is a non-standard > >> > > facility that should be removed, IMHO... or changed in some major > >> > > manner that I cannot envision. There are many people however who feel > >> > > safer behind the berm or on the sidewalk; they don't seem to notice > >> > > or mind the inconveniences, but I certainly hope they realize the > >> > > hazards they face at every driveway and intersection! > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Fulton Martin > >> >__=o&o>__ > >> >public at exwis.com > >> >San Diego, CA > >> >N32 43.956, W117 05.874 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bmatella at sbcglobal.net > > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > > List privacy information is located at > > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bikes.alot at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From bmatella at sbcglobal.net Fri May 11 12:33:00 2007 From: bmatella at sbcglobal.net (Bill Matella) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:33:00 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> <4644689C.2030507@exwis.com> <200705111344.l4BDiFb3012748@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070511075421.03446318@cox.net> <002d01c793e0$15112130$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> <7.0.1.0.2.20070511084622.03a4f448@cox.net> Message-ID: <004801c793ea$0af1af30$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Jim, I think I've been on the TAC for 10 years or so, wow! Regarding bicyclists, not, they are not side friction. They can be considered when setting speed limits, however. You go through the normal study as I mentioned earlier, then the speed limit can be reduced by an additional 5 mph for the presence of bicyclists, pedestrians or equestrians OR conditions not readily apparent to the motorist. (Sorry, max of 5 mph reduction.) For setting the speed limit without radar enforcement, I'm not sure if the 85th percentile procedure is required, but the CHP tells us that enforcement these days without radar is extremely problematic. In the parlance of traffic engineering, side friction is the presence of physical features from the side of the roadway that tends to reduce the speed of traffic. This would include cross streets, driveways, traffic calming measures, etc. In the unincorporated areas of the county, for which the TAC is responsible, we would not dream of going ahead without the input of citizens groups such as the particular regional planning committee, and an open invitation for concerned citizens to speak to the issue at our meetings. If they don't like our recommendation to the Board of Supervisors, they can attend and speak at the Board meeting, where the law is actually passed into law. Not all municipalities are as transparent in this process as are we. Many times regulation is passed at the staff level where the public only finds out after the fact. Bill Matella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Baross" To: "Bill Matella" ; Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep > Thanks Bill. > You get a better idea of what's going on with your commitment to serve as > our rep. on that SD Traffic Advisory Committee! How many years has it been > that you've served as a volunteer for that? > > So, are bicyclists considered "side friction" or what when a study is done > and a recommendation made. Is there a procedure that we could be more > involved with to rally bicyclist "citizen groups" to request speed limits > more attuned to our safety? > > Thanks again. > Jim B > > At 08:21 AM 5/11/2007, Bill Matella wrote: >>Without generalizing to Friars Road specifically, I have seen the >>"anti-speed trap law result in lower speeds as well as higher. Generally, >>as a road becomes more congested with more side friction, the speeds >>actually decrease. Therefore, when the roadway speed limit is recertified >>for radar, an engineering study is performed, including a speed survey to >>determine the 85th percentile. I have seen citizen groups request >>forgoing >>the radar certification of a speed limit just to keep the nominal speed >>plate lower. >> >>I cannot attest that all governmental entities follow the state law with >>equal enthusiasm. >> >>Bill Matella >>SDCBC >>San Diego Traffic Advisory Committee >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jim Baross" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:00 AM >>Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street >>Sweep >> >> >> >I wonder if the "updating" is an example of the current standard for >> > setting the speed limit at (or very near) the 85% of recorded motor >> > vehicle speeds? This "anti-speed-trap" law/standard was enacted to >> > protect motorists from predatory traffic ticketing and since, or also >> > is embraced by traffic engineers as a "safety practice" believing >> > that if motorists are traveling faster, it must be safe to do so... >> > without giving sufficient weight to the hazards higher speeds add to >> > those who might choose to use a bicycle and walk on those roads. IMHO. >> > :-( >> > >> > At 06:45 AM 5/11/2007, Gene Carman wrote: >> > >> >>At one time the city owned a sweeper that fit that lane... but it >> >>has since broken and the city has determined that the budget doesn't >> >>have room for a new sweeper. >> >> >> >>Meantime Friars road used to be a 45MPH road with fairly light >> >>traffic and few intersections... but the valley has been fully >> >>developed, lots of new homes have been added along with driveways, >> >>and other intersections, and the speed on the road somehow has been >> >>"updated." (to reflect not better conditions, but simply motorists >> >>moving faster) thus making the road decidedly less than bike friendly. >> >> >> >>At 05:59 AM 5/11/2007, Fulton Martin wrote: >> >> >If I'm not mistaken, the reason it gets so dirty is that a regular >> >> >street sweeper doesn't fit within it, so any sweeping has to be done >> >> >manually. >> >> > >> >> >Jim Baross wrote: >> >> > > That bermed off space is not a bike lane. It is a non-standard >> >> > > facility that should be removed, IMHO... or changed in some major >> >> > > manner that I cannot envision. There are many people however who >> >> > > feel >> >> > > safer behind the berm or on the sidewalk; they don't seem to >> >> > > notice >> >> > > or mind the inconveniences, but I certainly hope they realize the >> >> > > hazards they face at every driveway and intersection! >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >Fulton Martin >> >> >__=o&o>__ >> >> >public at exwis.com >> >> >San Diego, CA >> >> >N32 43.956, W117 05.874 >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bmatella at sbcglobal.net >> > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >> > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >> > List privacy information is located at >> > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >> > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail >> > to >> > postmaster at stickman-computing.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bikes.alot at cox.net >>To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >>http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >>List privacy information is located at >>http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >>For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to >>postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > > From serge at issakov.org Fri May 11 16:45:03 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:45:03 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Speed limit setting, was Re: Friars Road Bike Lane Street Sweep In-Reply-To: <004801c793ea$0af1af30$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070510221628.03af93a8@cox.net> <4644689C.2030507@exwis.com> <200705111344.l4BDiFb3012748@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070511075421.03446318@cox.net> <002d01c793e0$15112130$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> <7.0.1.0.2.20070511084622.03a4f448@cox.net> <004801c793ea$0af1af30$81ecfea9@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Message-ID: <69ec985b0705111345t2e372723h3a8d32a138f63a0a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/07, Bill Matella wrote: > > > In the parlance of traffic engineering, side friction is the presence of > physical features from the side of the roadway that tends to reduce the > speed of traffic. This would include cross streets, driveways, traffic > calming measures, etc. In that case, bike lanes seem to reduce side friction. For example, since they recently repaved Torrey Pines Road coming up the hill out of La Jolla towards UCSD, we had one blissful day of no bike lanes. For the first and last time, I could actually hear the pitch of car tires lower as they approached from behind and slowed down upon seeing me up ahead, and I could see them in my mirror adjust left to pass me with more clearance, and then hear and see them speed up and move right again after they passed me. The next day the bike lane stripes were back, and so were the motorists speeding by me faster than ever thanks to the new smooth pavement, as if I was not even there. On a bright note, the door zone bike lanes on the upper and lower sections are not painted yet, and the drivers are still uncharacteristically cautious as they pass. The bike lanes will be back soon enough, however the good news is that they will be painting them wide enough so that we could ride fully within the bike lane, and still be outside of the door zone, a marked improvement over the situation in the past where riding on the stripe, or even to the left of it, was required to be out of the door zone. Serge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070511/93acc98d/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Mon May 14 00:26:58 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:26:58 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] *PINCH FLAT NEWS Online bicycle zine Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070513212517.03918208@cox.net> http://www.pinchflatnews.com/ An Amusement & Diversion for the Genteel Cyclist. >From: "Ron Richings" >To: >Subject: FW: *TELUS Detected Spam*PINCH FLAT NEWS Online bicycle zine >Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:08:28 -0700 >Can you put the attached message on to your list? > >Ron Richings From trevorspoke at cox.net Mon May 14 02:18:29 2007 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (Trevor Bourget) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:18:29 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bike to Work Day 2007 Info In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070513212517.03918208@cox.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070513212517.03918208@cox.net> Message-ID: <20070514061828.JWDU6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I have created a google map with location of the county pitstops. Feel free to let me know of any corrections. Driving down the south I-15 today I noticed that a Caltrans sign is notifying people of upcoming Bike to Work Day. This is the programmable sign that usually reports on traffic condition and fee for HOV lane misuse. -- Trevor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070514/cf93656f/attachment-0001.html From gcarman at san.rr.com Mon May 14 09:50:50 2007 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 06:50:50 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bike to Work Day 2007 Info In-Reply-To: <20070514061828.JWDU6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01 .cox.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070513212517.03918208@cox.net> <20070514061828.JWDU6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <200705141350.l4EDnx3q020921@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Saw a similar sign at 805 south at Clairemont Mesa Blvd. Sure surprised me. At 11:18 PM 5/13/2007, Trevor Bourget wrote: >I have created a google map with location of the county >pitstops. >Feel free to let me know of any corrections. > >Driving down the south I-15 today I noticed that a Caltrans sign is >notifying people of upcoming Bike to Work Day. This is the >programmable sign that usually reports on traffic condition and fee >for HOV lane misuse. > >-- Trevor >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as gcarman at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Url: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070514/599b514e/attachment.ksh From bikes.alot at cox.net Mon May 14 11:53:24 2007 From: bikes.alot at cox.net (Bicyclist) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:53:24 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Bike to Work Day 2007 Info In-Reply-To: <200705141350.l4EDnx3q020921@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070513212517.03918208@cox.net> <20070514061828.JWDU6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <200705141350.l4EDnx3q020921@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070514083613.0383a340@cox.net> I was told that CalTrans would be using these for B2WD but hadn't realized how soon and how many. Cool! But, besides sitting back to see what happens, maybe there's something we could do too to improve bicycling... When I first heard about and got involved with B2WD - more than a few years ago - I was rabid enough to think it'd be a good idea to close off some freeways for the event. :-) I've since - thank goodness - realized that "bicycling ain't for everybody." Some huge number of Americans just can't physically do it... due to the condition of their body, lack of bike and/or traffic handling skill, large distance or geo-barriers (hills mostly), but of those that could there are other hurdles that B2WD events/hoopla just might help surmount. We can individually help our some of our friends by sharing the knowledge and experience we have - yes, you do know plenty that newbies have no clue about! Sizing, seat height, braking, shifting, carrying stuff, pant-clips/chainguards/shorts, crotch-cushining, gloves, ROUTES, traffic laws, .... lots! SDCBC used to organize "Bike-buddies" - someone to ride in with for first time riders. Safe Routes to school organizers in some cities set up "bike busses" groups of riders to ride together for safety and camaraderie. The Coalition is pretty busy with other efforts and didn't do bike-buddies this year... yet. Anyone want to offer the service? Don't let your friends drive/bike dumb. Show 'em how to Ride Right. Jim (Bike to (almost) Anywhere) Baross At 06:50 AM 5/14/2007, Gene Carman wrote: >Saw a similar sign at 805 south at Clairemont Mesa Blvd. Sure surprised me. > >At 11:18 PM 5/13/2007, Trevor Bourget wrote: >>I have created a google map with location of the county >>pitstops. >>Feel free to let me know of any corrections. >> >>Driving down the south I-15 today I noticed that a Caltrans sign is >>notifying people of upcoming Bike to Work Day. This is the >>programmable sign that usually reports on traffic condition and fee >>for HOV lane misuse. >> >>-- Trevor >>_______________________________________________ >> >>You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as gcarman at san.rr.com >>To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >>http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >>List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >>For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >>e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as bikes.alot at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070514/32d427a4/attachment.html From pje at efgh.com Mon May 14 19:27:16 2007 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:27:16 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] 2007 San Diego Regional Bike Map Message-ID: <4648F054.7080507@efgh.com> The new 2007 San Diego Regional Bike Map was unveiled this morning at Adams Ave. Bicycles. Here are my pics: http://www.efgh.com/temp/29419.jpg http://www.efgh.com/temp/29421.jpg http://www.efgh.com/temp/29424.jpg http://www.efgh.com/temp/29425.jpg -- Philip Erdelsky From pje at efgh.com Tue May 15 00:48:26 2007 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:48:26 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] 2007 San Diego Regional Bike Map In-Reply-To: <005801c79696$87801f10$6701a8c0@NealDesk> References: <005801c79696$87801f10$6701a8c0@NealDesk> Message-ID: <46493B9A.3090006@efgh.com> The 2007 bike map is available online now. Check the following: http://www.ridelink.org/Commuter_Services/Biking/RideLink-SurvivetheDrive-CommuterServices-BikeMaps.asp If this link is broken in your E-mail program, check the following and select Commuter Services/Biking/Bike Maps: http://www.ridelink.org/ The online version does not show hills. Neal Henderson wrote: > Hello Phillip, > > > > Cool pics. > > > > Where can we see the map on the Internet? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Neal > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] > On Behalf Of Philip Erdelsky > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 16:27 > To: SDCBC Mailing List > Subject: [SDCBC] 2007 San Diego Regional Bike Map > > > > The new 2007 San Diego Regional Bike Map was unveiled this > > morning at Adams Ave. Bicycles. Here are my pics: > > > > http://www.efgh.com/temp/29419.jpg > > http://www.efgh.com/temp/29421.jpg > > http://www.efgh.com/temp/29424.jpg > > http://www.efgh.com/temp/29425.jpg > > > > -- Philip Erdelsky > > _______________________________________________ > > > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as nealhe at cox.net > > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > > List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to > postmaster at stickman-computing.org > > From tlettington at san.rr.com Tue May 15 15:49:30 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:49:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Public Bike Racks Message-ID: <200705151948.l4FJmvdd029582@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Just returned from a trip back home to Des Moines Iowa for a 50th High School Reunion. They have begun a major revitalization of the east side of downtown in this bike friendly city. Part of this project is to promote donations from the public of "Art Bike Racks" for installation on street corners. While some put more emphasis on the "Art" part than on the "Bike Rack" part, they are all functional. I have placed a sampling on the Coalition's web site Photo Gallery . Here is the direct link: http://www.tfl.net/photogallery.html - Tom From wondernerd at juno.com Tue May 15 20:04:34 2007 From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank Paiano) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:04:34 GMT Subject: [SDCBC] Ride of Silence Message-ID: <20070515.170447.754.1371189@webmail01.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Kathy From: Riddle, Patricia Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:21 AM I'm still looking for two more women to crew for me for RAAM this June. Are you interested in crewing, or do you know of someone else who is? You'd need to be available June 9 - 22/23. As you know, the time cut-off is 12 days 5 hours. The race starts 9:00 a.m. June 10 in Oceanside, but you must be available June 9. The race finishes in Atlantic City, N.J. by 5:00 p.m., EST, June 22 or earlier. The crew will be comprised of six female crew members (I have 4 already) driving two vans and sleeping in motels along the way. Expenses (food and lodging) will be paid starting the evening of June 9 and ending at the end of the race, and will include a return ticket to San Diego (or home). Crew members must be able to drive (and not run over the bicyclist) at bicycle racing speeds (5 - 40 mph). Crew members need to be level-headed and be able to put the racer's needs before their own. You are guaranteed to see a lot of scenery and meet other interesting women!! I've been told I shouldn't have an all-female crew. Of course I've also been told I'm out of my mind to try RAAM solo. Sorry this is such a late request, but if you can join us, that would be terrific!! Thanks! Pat Riddle 692-8659 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070518/e3417130/attachment.html From lbriggs at lindabriggs.com Fri May 18 18:14:57 2007 From: lbriggs at lindabriggs.com (Linda Briggs) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:14:57 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Stolen bike Message-ID: <00d101c79999$f8210cb0$7102020a@LBRIGGS> SDCBCers- I'd appreciate any help with this; I hope this photo doesn't make the message too large. My sweet yellow and white Medici was stolen from my yard at 10 a.m. today, May 18; it's quite distinct, so please please call if you see it around. Description of guy who stole it (I live in Kensington, zip 92116): black man, early 40s, close-cropped hair, wearing dark grey or black sweatshirt. He's been hanging around the 'hood lately, apparently. Jumped on it and rode off. To the fellow rider on the Ride of Silence Wednesday who whispered to me, "That's a beautiful bike." . yes it is! Please help me find it! I filed a police report; I've visited all the bike shops and pawn shops in the area and will be watching craigslist. If anyone has any other ideas, please let me know. -- Linda Briggs (619) 528-8545 (home) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070518/02e29354/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My sweet yellow and white Medici was stolen from my yard at 10 a.m. today, May 18; it's quite distinct, so please please call if you see it around. Description of guy who stole it (I live in Kensington, zip 92116): black man, early 40s, close-cropped hair, wearing dark grey or black sweatshirt. He's been hanging around the 'hood lately, apparently. Jumped on it and rode off. To the fellow rider on the Ride of Silence Wednesday who whispered to me, "That's a beautiful bike." . yes it is! Please help me find it! I filed a police report; I've visited all the bike shops and pawn shops in the area and will be watching craigslist. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 117183 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070518/eb134854/attachment-0001.jpe From tlettington at san.rr.com Sat May 19 16:47:01 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:47:01 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] New Fence at Lake Miramar Message-ID: <200705192047.l4JKlVmI029304@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com> Riding at Lake Miramar yesterday, I snapped a photo of the new fence on the dam (see http://www.tfl.net/photogallery.html ). Completion of this fence (it's about half done) will reportedly allow opening of the road across the dam so cyclists can make a five mile circuit instead of an 8 mile out and back loop. How fencing off the water side of the dam from cyclists/skaters/pedestrians at this point improves security escapes me since the water is readily accessible everywhere else around the lake. Motor vehicles will still be denied access to the dam road. - Tom From stephanvance at cox.net Sun May 20 14:03:56 2007 From: stephanvance at cox.net (Stephan Vance) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:03:56 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Bike to Work Day on NPR Message-ID: <000201c79b09$3d82c620$01136b44@D9CXGJ41> Here's great story on NPR about bike to work day in Washington DC. Stephan Vance http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10279746 From bikes.alot at cox.net Mon May 21 02:09:38 2007 From: bikes.alot at cox.net (Bicyclist) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:09:38 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Bike to Work Day on NPR In-Reply-To: <000201c79b09$3d82c620$01136b44@D9CXGJ41> References: <000201c79b09$3d82c620$01136b44@D9CXGJ41> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070520230132.03969508@cox.net> Here's another one, this was on the "Only a game" segment of the Saturday "Morning Edition" program on May 19th... I happened to hear it "live." I was impressed with the information about taking the lane and riding legally/responsibly. On my RealPlayer playing of this the Bike to Work section starts at 37:48 into the program... almost the end. http://www.onlyagame.org/shows/2007/05/20070519_14.asp At 11:03 AM 5/20/2007, Stephan Vance wrote: >Here's great story on NPR about bike to work day in Washington DC. > >Stephan Vance > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10279746 From execdir at sdcbc.org Mon May 21 16:26:15 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:15 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Board meeting this Wednesday, May 23 Message-ID: <002901c79be6$4874dc70$d95e9550$@org> Hi everyone, Don't forget we have a Bicycle Coalition Board meeting this Wednesday, May 23rd. 7:00 to 8:30 p.m. at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive. We'll have a recap of Bike to Work Day, Discussion of a couple of fundraising rides, discussion on Routine Accommodation language in Transnet, and a decision item regarding office space. Should be fun! Kathy ----------------------------------------------- Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B184025.PDF the opinion states, "Because of the legislative blending of paved bike paths (which are used principally for recreation) into the bicycle transportation system (which the Legislature established to achieve functional commuting needs), it may be appropriate for the Legislature to reexamine the trail immunity statute and its application to class I bikeways in urban areas. Unless and until the Legislature decides otherwise, however, we conclude no basis exists to depart from established precedent." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:15:21 -0700 From: Notify at jud.ca.gov Subject: California Court of Appeal Case Notification for: B184025 >Disposition >Prokop v. City of Los Angeles et al. >Division 8 >Case Number >