[SDCBC] want a job? Re: While we are busy citing cvc21200 and cvc21202...

[John Forester]

There is no point in advocating bicycle licenses. 
The legislation was enacted on the ostensible 
ground that it would make a major improvement in 
the recovery rate for stolen bikes. It has not 
done so, and there is no reason to suspect that 
it could. There are too many loopholes, 
administration to close those loopholes is too 
expensive, counterfeiting bicycle identifications 
is too easy, bicycle parts are too 
interchangeable, and others. Those who regard 
this as some form of identification of the rider 
of the bicycle are just plain mislead. The 
program should be shut down. So far as I know, 
the only real use of the bicycle licensing 
program has been by cities such as Huntington 
Beach, which used it to confiscate bicycles 
ridden in from out of town, and thereby raised a howl.



At 10:33 AM 3/12/2007, Jim Baross wrote:
>It seems to me that the bike registration process
>in San Diego and nearby cities could be handled
>much better by the Coalition if someone was to step up to:
>
>1. research the possibility, the probably
>benefits to bicycle owners and the Coalition, and
>likely "costs" to the Coalition. This bike
>registration is a State program with limits
>(presently) on the amount that may be charged for the "service".
>2. encourage the Mayor and/or City Council to
>supplement the broken (IMHO) system we have now
>by adding the someone (the Coalition) as a (or
>THE?) bike registration provider/administrator,
>sinc the Fire Dept, Police Dept and bike shops
>aren't making it work (again IMHO).
>3. submit and win a proposal/contract to provide
>service - service might include:
>    a. partial - stock, sell registrations, and
>send into police dept (who are supposed to - are
>they - keep records). We'd only supplement the current processes.
>    b. full - administer the program; stock, sell,
>record data, retrieve data and cross-reference
>with found bikes, notify previously register
>owners of found bikes, provide info to potential
>buyers of a bike about the registered previous owner if any.
>
>This would be a job, part time, but not something
>I'd expect to go unpaid. The trick is that I
>don't know how the State limited price for
>registration could provide enough income to
>enable a "professional" program.... unless
>supported by the City (a city with few
>discretionary funds) or other institution (school
>district, university, health org, grant?).
>
>The only presently successfully operating bicycle
>registration program that I know of in this
>State, operated under the State system, is at
>Univ of Calif. at Davis. If anyone is interested
>in pursuing this, I can put you in touch with
>that program's administrator, David T., with little effort.
>
>Jim (fix it, change it, or drop the requirement) Baross
>
>  >>>>>>>>
> >From: "Pauline Callahan" <zpcallahan at wildmail.com>
> >Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:32:18 -0700
> >
> >I just had a conversation with a cyclist who
> >said he went to several bike shops and they
> >didn't have the rigistration forms.  He said he
> >ended up in Pacific Baech somewhere.  Action
> >Cyclery in Scripts Ranch/Mira Mesa area has
> >registrations available.  Also, there is a "bike
> >fix" community outreach going on next Saturday,
> >March 17 in Tierra Santa (I don't have the exact
> >address, but it is at a church on Tierra Santa
> >Blvd and there are signs) and they will register your bike for free.
> >
> >---- Begin Original Message ----
> >  From: Fulton Martin <public at exwis.com>
> >Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:45:42 -0700
> >To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
> >Subject: Re: [SDCBC] While we are busy citing cvc21200 and cvc21202...
> >
> >I used to register my bicycles regularly, every two (?) years, until I
> >got my first recumbent and went to the local fire station, where I was
> >told they wouldn't be doing it anymore. I don't recall them saying the
> >function was being transferred to retailers, but could be...
> >
> >Even *if* retailers are doing it, how willing are they to register a
> >bicycle "upon the request of the owner" if the bicycle wasn't purchased
> >at their shop? (Bought my last one out-of-state.)
> >
> >Gene Carman wrote:
> > > Has anyone noticed that part of cvc21200 cites cvc39000?
> > >
> > > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21200.htm
> > >
> > > 21200.   (a) Every person riding a bicycle upon a highway has all the
> > > rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of
> > > a vehicle by this division, including, but not limited to, provisions
> > > concerning driving under the influence of alcoholic beverages or drugs,
> > > and by Division 10 (commencing with Section 20000), Section 27400,
> > > Division 16.7 (*commencing with Section 39000*), Division 17 (commencing
> > > with Section 40000.1), and Division 18 (commencing with Section 42000),
> > > except those provisions which by their very 
> nature can have no application.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d16_7/vc39001.htm
> > >
> > > 39001.   (a) The department shall procure and distribute bicycle license
> > > indicia and registration forms to all counties and cities which have
> > > adopted a bicycle licensing ordinance or resolution. Those counties and
> > > cities shall issue the indicia and registration form to the owner of any
> > > new bicycle, and may, upon request of the owner, issue an indicia and
> > > registration form to the owner of any bicycle which complies with
> > > Section 39007.
> > >
> > > The department shall charge and collect a fee, not to exceed the cost of
> > > procuring and distributing the license indicia and registration form,
> > > for each bicycle license indicia and registration form issued. All fees
> > > collected pursuant to this section shall be deposited in the Motor
> > > Vehicle Account in the State Transportation Fund. Those fees are hereby
> > > continuously appropriated from the account for use by the department to
> > > defray costs to procure and distribute the bicycle license indicia and
> > > registration forms.
> > >
> > > So what is San Diego's policy on license and registration of
> > > bicycles...  assuming they have "adopted a bicycle licensing ordinance
> > > or resolution?"  How many of us are in compliance with the local law,
> > > should we for instance be pulled over.
> > >
> > > If we are quick to cite cvc21200 and cvc21202, should we not also be in
> > > compliance with SDMC34.02?
> > >
> > >
> > 
> http://clerkdoc.sannet.gov/legtrain/mc/MuniCodeChapter03/Ch03Art04Division00
> > >
> > >
> > > *§34.02 Bicycle License Required
> > > *Except as provided by Section 34.09 of this article, it is unlawful for
> > > any person to operate a bicycle upon any
> > public street, alley, sidewalk, highway, or
> > > other public property within the jurisdiction
> > of The City of San Diego without first
> > > obtaining a license issued by said City.
> > Bicycle retailers are authorized and
> > > directed to issue, upon written application,
> > a bicycle license, to any person residing
> > > within the City of San Diego. Bicycle
> > retailers issuing licenses will charge a fee pursuant
> > > to section 34.02. Fees collected in
> > accordance with section 34.02 shall be sent to
> > > the San Diego Fire Department. *Bicycle
> > retailers will purchase bicycle licenses and
> > > stickers from the San Diego Fire Department.*
> > The San Diego Fire Department will return $1
> > > of the $2 license fees collected to bicycle
> > retailers upon return of a completed
> > > registration form. License applicants who
> > reside outside the City of San Diego shall
> > > be referred to their respective city or
> > jurisdiction of residency. Any bicycle not
> > > subject to the provisions of this article may
> > be licensed upon the request of the owner.
> > >
> > > How many of you are in compliance?
>
>
>
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John Forester, MS, PE
Bicycle Transportation Engineer
7585 Church St.
Lemon Grove, CA 91945-2306
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