From execdir at sdcbc.org Mon Jul 2 15:57:20 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:57:20 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FYI Save the Date: TrailLink 2007 August 8 - 10 in Portland, Oregon Message-ID: <002001c7bce3$34258260$9c708720$@org> Save the Date: TrailLink 2007 August 8 - 10 in Portland, Oregon Proponents of trails, biking and walking are all encouraged to attend Rails-to-Trails Conservancy's biannual TrailLink 2007 in order to gain new skills to champion active transportation in their communities and help launch a national active transportation movement. Active transportation is travel powered by human energy, such as walking and biking. Rails-to-Trails Conservancy is leading a campaign to double federal investment in active transportation by 2010. Our TrailLink Conference will provide advocates and government and community leaders with tools they'll be able to use to ensure the creation of adequate infrastructure and active transportation programs in their communities. There will be a pre-conference Successful Trail-Building Strategies Workshop from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on August 8, followed by a kickoff dinner and live music at the Portland Zoo that evening for attendees. Confirmed speakers presenting on August 9th and 10th will be expert panelists from across the country who are already working in their communities and beyond to make active transportation a reality. They will cover topics such as mobility, public health, economy, climate, and family and community. Our closing plenary speaker will be Congressman Earl Blumenauer. To learn more about TrailLink 2007 and to register, please go to our website: http://www.railtrails.org/whatwedo/events/traillink2007/index.html ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070702/dbe881de/attachment.html From declan at declan.net Mon Jul 2 23:14:24 2007 From: declan at declan.net (Declan Fleming) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:14:24 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] New Report on 56 Bike Path Carmel Country Road Water Hazard Message-ID: <31b0064e0707022014j19c554d2lb294aed3c8b271d5@mail.gmail.com> Hi - East bound, the detour sign is still there, so I went up and over but looked down to see how wet it was. There was a 5 foot patch of dry running the length of the path. West bound on the way home, the detour sign from that direction is gone now, and we rode through the dry patch, which hadn't changed since this morning. Here's hoping is stays dry! D ps Here's where I'm talking about: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=san+diego,+ca&ie=UTF8&ll=32.942485,-117.213137&spn=0.002913,0.005772&t=k&z=18&om=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070702/268790a5/attachment.html From pje at efgh.com Thu Jul 5 00:35:50 2007 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:35:50 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Tour de France Reminder Message-ID: <468C7526.9020909@efgh.com> Yes, there will be a 2007 Tour de France. Live coverage on Versus (Cox cable 65) begins at an ungodly hour this Saturday morning, with taped replays later in the day. See your local listings for times. For other details, see the Tour de France English-language Web site at http://www.letour.fr/2007/TDF/COURSE/us/index.html -- Philip Erdelsky From pje at efgh.com Thu Jul 5 12:22:12 2007 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:22:12 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Man Dies In San Diego 10K Bike Ride Message-ID: <468D1AB4.7090407@efgh.com> Man Dies In San Diego 10K Bike Ride From NBC San Diego http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13622236/detail.html?dl=headlineclick POSTED: 3:22 pm PDT July 4, 2007 SAN DIEGO -- A 54-year-old man died Wednesday while participating in a bike ride in Rancho Penasquitos, officials said. The man was riding in the Scripps Ranch Old Pros Fourth of July 10K Bike Ride at about 8 a.m. when he fell at Rancho Penasquitos Boulevard, underneath the state Route 76 overpass, said Sal Rodriguez, an investigator with the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office. Witnesses told KGTV10 News that the man began wobbling when he clipped the tire of another cyclist and dropped to the pavement. He died at the scene, Rodriguez said. It was not immediately known if the man suffered from a medical condition, or if the accident caused his death, said San Diego police Sgt. Jim Schorr. From execdir at sdcbc.org Thu Jul 5 16:25:28 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:25:28 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Request for letters of support for Complete Streets! Message-ID: <008001c7bf42$a0602230$e1206690$@org> AB1358, the 'Complete Streets' bill, will be heard at the State Senate Local Government Committee on July 11th. This is the bill that would make sure that community plans take into consideration the needs of bicyclists and pedestrians in the transportation network. So far the bill has passed the State Assembly, and we hope it will make it all the way to the Governor's desk, but it needs some letters of support to encourage those senators. Please write a letter, email, or call (sample letter below) our own Senator Christine Kehoe and let her know you support this bill to make bicycling better in California. You can contact Senator Kehoe's office at - phone - 619.645-3113 email - senator.kehoe at sen.ca.gov fax - 619.645-3144 The most effective comments come from constituents of her district (39th Senate District) so if you live or work in San Diego west of I-15 or east of 15 between I-8 and SR54, or Lemon Grove, please make the time today to contact Senator Kehoe's office to support AB1358. Thanks in advance! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org Please modify to make this more personal!! RE: SUPPORT FOR AB 1358 Dear Senator Kehoe: I join the California Bicycle Coalition and the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition in supporting AB 1358, the Complete Streets Act of 2007, because it will make bicycling and walking safer, more feasible modes of transportation. As non-motorized transportation modes, bicycling and walking can help solve a variety of the problems California faces: poor air quality, the threat of climate change and worsening public health. It is imperative that roadway design enables motorists, bicyclists, and pedestrians to travel safely. AB 1358 will result in roads that serve all users, not just motorists, as is now too often the case. In California, automobiles are responsible for 40% of the carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere, a percentage that does not include emissions from diesel buses, trucks, trains or airplanes. Promoting the construction of facilities that facilitate non-motorized travel will help California meet its climate change prevention goals without spending billions to investigate new technologies, some of which may never materialize. Bicycling and walking are available to us now, free of charge. Americans rely on automobiles for transportation because, in many cases, there are no alternatives. Driving and riding in a car, however, do not require physical exertion. By bicycling and walking, people can incorporate physical activity into their daily routines, which can improve the health of Californians, saving the state millions of dollars in saved health care costs and preventing the loss of productivity from illnesses that result from sedentary lifestyles, such as obesity, diabetes and heart attacks. AB 1358 will provide alternatives to driving by building roadways that are safe and inviting for non-motorized transportation, making it possible for more people to embrace active lifestyles. I urge your support of this landmark legislation that will make California cities more livable, now and in the future. Sincerely, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070705/d4b2723b/attachment-0001.html From jwstump at cox.net Thu Jul 5 21:07:54 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (jwstump at cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:07:54 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] AB1358 Transportation Bill Please help City Heights Message-ID: <31124495.1183684074608.JavaMail.root@fed1wml09.mgt.cox.net> Dear Senator Kehoe Please support legislation that would promote greater bicycle use in City Heights and the Mid City. We are yet to have CALTRANs complete the I-15 40th Street bike route from Park de La Cruz to Mission Valley. Bikes and Bike rider ship are indicators of a healthy neighborhood. Quality neighborhoods have active bike use As you know We are trying to restore a friendly and safe community in City Heights. I feel that if we first provide transportation systems for people on foot or pedals the restoration of our community would be accelerated. Thank you for all you do John Stump, City Heights ---- Kathy Keehan wrote: > AB1358, the 'Complete Streets' bill, will be heard at the State Senate Local > Government Committee on July 11th. This is the bill that would make sure > that community plans take into consideration the needs of bicyclists and > pedestrians in the transportation network. So far the bill has passed the > State Assembly, and we hope it will make it all the way to the Governor's > desk, but it needs some letters of support to encourage those senators. > > Please write a letter, email, or call (sample letter below) our own Senator > Christine Kehoe and let her know you support this bill to make bicycling > better in California. You can contact Senator Kehoe's office at - > > phone - 619.645-3113 > > email - senator.kehoe at sen.ca.gov > > fax - 619.645-3144 > > The most effective comments come from constituents of her district (39th > Senate District) so if you live or work in San Diego west of I-15 or east of > 15 between I-8 and SR54, or Lemon Grove, please make the time today to > contact Senator Kehoe's office to support AB1358. Thanks in advance! > > Kathy > > ------------------------------------------ > > Kathy Keehan > > Executive Director > > San Diego County Bicycle Coalition > > P.O. Box 34544 > > San Diego, CA 92163 > > 858.487.6063 > > execdir at sdcbc.org > > www.sdcbc.org > > > > Please modify to make this more personal!! > > RE: SUPPORT FOR AB 1358 > > > > Dear Senator Kehoe: > > > > I join the California Bicycle Coalition and the San Diego County Bicycle > Coalition in supporting AB 1358, the Complete Streets Act of 2007, because > it will make bicycling and walking safer, more feasible modes of > transportation. As non-motorized transportation modes, bicycling and walking > can help solve a variety of the problems California faces: poor air quality, > the threat of climate change and worsening public health. > > > > It is imperative that roadway design enables motorists, bicyclists, and > pedestrians to travel safely. AB 1358 will result in roads that serve all > users, not just motorists, as is now too often the case. > > > > In California, automobiles are responsible for 40% of the carbon dioxide > released into the atmosphere, a percentage that does not include emissions > from diesel buses, trucks, trains or airplanes. Promoting the construction > of facilities that facilitate non-motorized travel will help California meet > its climate change prevention goals without spending billions to investigate > new technologies, some of which may never materialize. Bicycling and walking > are available to us now, free of charge. > > > > Americans rely on automobiles for transportation because, in many cases, > there are no alternatives. Driving and riding in a car, however, do not > require physical exertion. By bicycling and walking, people can incorporate > physical activity into their daily routines, which can improve the health of > Californians, saving the state millions of dollars in saved health care > costs and preventing the loss of productivity from illnesses that result > from sedentary lifestyles, such as obesity, diabetes and heart attacks. AB > 1358 will provide alternatives to driving by building roadways that are safe > and inviting for non-motorized transportation, making it possible for more > people to embrace active lifestyles. > > > > I urge your support of this landmark legislation that will make California > cities more livable, now and in the future. > > > > Sincerely, > > > From BIKEMARTY at aol.com Fri Jul 6 03:28:53 2007 From: BIKEMARTY at aol.com (BIKEMARTY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 03:28:53 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] AB1358 Transportation Bill Please help City Heights Message-ID: As a multi-family property owner on Fairmount Ave. (at Columbine) I have observed a far greater need for bicycling facilities within the City Heights/Azalea Park neighborhood than just the construction of the I-15 pathway to Mission Valley at the present time. (The pathway plan presented to SDCBC a few years ago was fraught with design problems and drew significant opposition from commuter cyclists and safety officials.) Meanwhile, Fairmount Ave. between El Cajon Blvd. and Home Ave. is dangerous in either direction. The use of 43rd Street (one way southbound from El Cajon Blvd. to Thorn St.) would be of some help if there weren't stop signs at nearly every cross street. And south of the merge of 43rd and Fairmount (at Poplar St.) southbound is even more dangerous with vehicle speeds frequently in excess of 45 mph, plus parking and no bike lanes. A large majority of the cyclists (I'd guess up to 100 daily) passing my property are teens and younger who (wisely) use the west sidewalk in both directions (N/S) because the roadway is clearly too dangerous. Fairmount Ave. feeds two elementary schools, one Jr. High, and a branch of a Jr. College at Wightman St. It's also the central route to the City Heights library and sports facilities adjacent. A practical solution for planners in City Heights/Azalea Park would be to create a network of pathways through canyons such as Hollywood and Manzanita. In combination with many of the low volume roadways in the area a practical and efficient system of safe routes could be developed throughout the entire area east of I-15 to 54th Street and south from El Cajon Blvd. to Home Ave. Unfortunately, when SDCBC helped develop the City of San Diego bicycle master plan over 10 years ago, there were few bicycle advocates from this general area, and nothing has changed since. Creating a bicycle connection across I-15 and I-805 might be a more practical alternative to the I-15 / Mission Valley connection. A route west from City Heights may attract both commuter and recreational cyclists. Commuters to downtown and recreational cyclists to Balboa Park. Other major cities in the west are capable of developing practical routes for all cyclists. It's time San Diego got the message. Marty Jones In a message dated 7/5/2007 6:12:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jwstump at cox.net writes: Dear Senator Kehoe Please support legislation that would promote greater bicycle use in City Heights and the Mid City. We are yet to have CALTRANs complete the I-15 40th Street bike route from Park de La Cruz to Mission Valley. Bikes and Bike rider ship are indicators of a healthy neighborhood. Quality neighborhoods have active bike use As you know We are trying to restore a friendly and safe community in City Heights. I feel that if we first provide transportation systems for people on foot or pedals the restoration of our community would be accelerated. Thank you for all you do John Stump, City Heights ---- Kathy Keehan wrote: > AB1358, the 'Complete Streets' bill, will be heard at the State Senate Local > Government Committee on July 11th. This is the bill that would make sure > that community plans take into consideration the needs of bicyclists and > pedestrians in the transportation network. So far the bill has passed the > State Assembly, and we hope it will make it all the way to the Governor's > desk, but it needs some letters of support to encourage those senators. > > Please write a letter, email, or call (sample letter below) our own Senator > Christine Kehoe and let her know you support this bill to make bicycling > better in California. You can contact Senator Kehoe's office at - > > phone - 619.645-3113 > > email - senator.kehoe at sen.ca.gov > > fax - 619.645-3144 > > The most effective comments come from constituents of her district (39th > Senate District) so if you live or work in San Diego west of I-15 or east of > 15 between I-8 and SR54, or Lemon Grove, please make the time today to > contact Senator Kehoe's office to support AB1358. Thanks in advance! > > Kathy > > ------------------------------------------ > > Kathy Keehan > > Executive Director > > San Diego County Bicycle Coalition > > P.O. Box 34544 > > San Diego, CA 92163 > > 858.487.6063 > > execdir at sdcbc.org > > www.sdcbc.org > > > > Please modify to make this more personal!! > > RE: SUPPORT FOR AB 1358 > > > > Dear Senator Kehoe: > > > > I join the California Bicycle Coalition and the San Diego County Bicycle > Coalition in supporting AB 1358, the Complete Streets Act of 2007, because > it will make bicycling and walking safer, more feasible modes of > transportation. As non-motorized transportation modes, bicycling and walking > can help solve a variety of the problems California faces: poor air quality, > the threat of climate change and worsening public health. > > > > It is imperative that roadway design enables motorists, bicyclists, and > pedestrians to travel safely. AB 1358 will result in roads that serve all > users, not just motorists, as is now too often the case. > > > > In California, automobiles are responsible for 40% of the carbon dioxide > released into the atmosphere, a percentage that does not include emissions > from diesel buses, trucks, trains or airplanes. Promoting the construction > of facilities that facilitate non-motorized travel will help California meet > its climate change prevention goals without spending billions to investigate > new technologies, some of which may never materialize. Bicycling and walking > are available to us now, free of charge. > > > > Americans rely on automobiles for transportation because, in many cases, > there are no alternatives. Driving and riding in a car, however, do not > require physical exertion. By bicycling and walking, people can incorporate > physical activity into their daily routines, which can improve the health of > Californians, saving the state millions of dollars in saved health care > costs and preventing the loss of productivity from illnesses that result > from sedentary lifestyles, such as obesity, diabetes and heart attacks. AB > 1358 will provide alternatives to driving by building roadways that are safe > and inviting for non-motorized transportation, making it possible for more > people to embrace active lifestyles. > > > > I urge your support of this landmark legislation that will make California > cities more livable, now and in the future. > > > > Sincerely, > > > _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as BIKEMARTY at aol.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070706/adddc1c8/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 7 14:01:38 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:01:38 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] update on Tom Fudge In-Reply-To: <000301c7b554$31cdce00$95696a00$@org> Message-ID: Back at work after 3 months convalescent leave, KPBS radio host Tom Fudge says that he is giving up commuting by bicycle, but not bicycling. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20070705-9999-lz1c05fudge.html He evidently perceives that cycle-commuting is somehow more dangerous than recreational cycling. John E. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070707/79ff74ef/attachment-0001.html From tah at san.rr.com Mon Jul 9 22:21:50 2007 From: tah at san.rr.com (Tom Harvey) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:21:50 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] update on Tom Fudge In-Reply-To: References: <000301c7b554$31cdce00$95696a00$@org> Message-ID: <20070710022150.GA24190@bart.simpson.private> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 11:01:38AM -0700, John Eldon wrote: > He evidently perceives that cycle-commuting is somehow more dangerous than > recreational cycling. i can't infer that from the article. i think he is talking about the specifics of his current commute route, versus recreational cycling on routes chosen with much more freedom. From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Jul 10 09:41:59 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:41:59 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night this Wednesday, July 11th Message-ID: <000001c7c2f8$17701d90$465058b0$@org> Don't forget volunteer night Wednesday, July 11th, 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive, San Diego. Good food, good conversation, and some volunteer work thrown in for good measure! Don't miss it. Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To send your thanks, you can call 619.645.3133, email senator.kehoe at sen.ca.gov or fax 619.645.3144 Hooray! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070712/05ff265d/attachment.html From chernay at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 14:46:33 2007 From: chernay at gmail.com (David and Jen) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:46:33 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Stolen Bikes Message-ID: <5d3351050707131146v57540969h968702d2fc7b17bc@mail.gmail.com> 2 fixed gear bikes were stolen out of the garage of the place I am in the process of moving out of near Morley Field yesterday. One is an old crescent (orange with a checkered flag across the top tube) and the other is a formal track bike by Leader (metallic blue aluminum frame, black Thompson seat post and stem and Mavic wheels). Please call if you have seen either, both are very distinctive. I will try to find some photo's of them and post them. thank you for looking David (858) 436-4644 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070713/515fddf7/attachment.html From chernay at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 20:02:51 2007 From: chernay at gmail.com (David and Jen) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:02:51 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Stolen Bikes Message-ID: <5d3351050707131702l2ed57440xb31c3c215ca6f67@mail.gmail.com> http://www.cnsplanet.net/BikeThievesSuck The link above will take you to a couple pictures of the Crescent. the pictures shown are the frame and fork. The stolen bike is a fixed gear with time trial bars without the aerobar. the picture of the Leader is a bad one and I will keep looking for more. If you see an orange bike with a checkered flag on the top tube You can be 99.9% certain that it is mine. thank you David (858) 436-4644 2 fixed gear bikes were stolen out of the garage of the place I am in the process of moving out of near Morley Field yesterday. One is an old crescent (orange with a checkered flag across the top tube) and the other is a formal track bike by Leader (metallic blue aluminum frame, black Thompson seat post and stem and Mavic wheels). Please call if you have seen either, both are very distinctive. I will try to find some photo's of them and post them. thank you for looking David (858) 436-4644 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070713/353a3c0b/attachment.html From jwstump at cox.net Sat Jul 14 20:45:49 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (jwstump at cox.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:45:49 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Parks Zoning Alert July 19th Message-ID: <4696464.1184460349987.JavaMail.root@fed1wml24.mgt.cox.net> Friends of San Diego Parks, Open Space and Habitats The Parks Board and Planning Commission are holding a joint meeting to determine what counts as Park Land in San Diego. There can be a lot of up sides to working on this definition; but there are dangers. What if the all the streets adjoining parks were counted as "Park"? What if the sloping sides of the 163 Highway were counted as Open Space. Should Mt. Hope Cemetery be counted as a Park to meet the community plan for the Fourth District? Should the median down Broadway be counted as meeting CCDC's park requirements? City Charter section 55 makes clear the definition and protections of Parks. Public Schools are not a Park use; but some want to count the children's playground as a community park for developments. The City owns huge parcels of land that are cleared of any use but being a landfill; does this count as a open space? Is the City's Qualcom Stadium and the Sports Arena a park because they have parking lots? Please participate in this discussion. All the Best John Stump Chollas Restoration, Enhancement and Conservancy PARK AND RECREATION BOARD THURSDAY, JULY 19, 2007 NOTE TIME: 1:00 P.M. CITY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING COMMITTEE ROOM, 12TH FLOOR 202 C STREET, SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 92101 WORKSHOP Time Certain 1:00 p.m.: Park and Recreation Board Orientation Presenter: Stacey LoMedico, Park and Recreation Director Time Certain 2:00 p.m.: Joint Meeting with Planning Commission regarding Park Equivalencies in the General Plan Presenters: Deborah Sharpe, Project Officer II, City Planning and Community Investment Department and Howard Greenstein, Park Designer, City Planning and Community Investment Department From rob_leone at earthlink.net Wed Jul 18 00:22:23 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:22:23 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Rose Creek BIke Path obstruction. Message-ID: <469D957F.5070506@earthlink.net> Dear All: Does anyone have Arnold Schwartzenegger's phone number? He's got his name all over this bike sign about the Lower Rose Creek restoration project right at the stairs on the Rose Creek Bike Path, but the folks he has doing the actual work left pine branches all over the area -- it's inconvenient and potentially messy to walk through. I just want to ask him to ask the staff to remeber to tidy up at the end of the day. Robert Leone From rob_leone at earthlink.net Wed Jul 18 00:31:19 2007 From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:31:19 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! Message-ID: <469D9797.1020701@earthlink.net> Dear SDCBCers: This evening, while riding the Rose Creek Bike Path south to a dinner appointment in Ocean Beach, I heard a crash behind me about fifteen seconds after I'd rounded that last bend between the Boat Club and the golf course. I turned back and found a roadie had collided with a young woman on a beach cruiser. Fortunately, they both felt fine enough to dust off and go on their merry ways. the roadie mentioned it was a blind corner, and said the collision was "an actuarial inevitability." Maybe if we had bike paths without blind corners the actuaries will go play elsewhere. I do know I'll be slow and vigilant rounding that bend in the future, and ma even mark it for speical attention if I plan a group ride. Robert Leone From trevorspoke at cox.net Wed Jul 18 03:38:18 2007 From: trevorspoke at cox.net (Trevor Bourget) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:38:18 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In-Reply-To: <469D9797.1020701@earthlink.net> References: <469D9797.1020701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070718073817.MNJW1358.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> At 09:31 PM 7/17/2007, Robert Leone wrote: >I turned back and found a roadie had collided with a young woman on >a beach cruiser. Could you tell or did you ask who was on the wrong side of the road? >the roadie mentioned it was a blind corner, and said the collision >was "an actuarial inevitability." This is just techno-speak for "an accident waiting to happen". We would not accept such nonsense from a motorist who ran into a cyclist just because the sun was in their eyes as it is the same place and same time every day, or foggy conditions just like every other June morning near the beach. A hazardous corner implies extra caution is required. That's the basic speed law. >Maybe if we had bike paths without blind corners Every road is going to have its hazards. The most pragmatic thing is to ask for a yellow caution sign to be posted. >I do know I'll be slow and vigilant rounding that bend I have a bell on my bike and use it before going around curves with limited sight line such as the one on Kara Knott bike path just at the bottom of the bridge at the north end. I still slow down, this is to warn those coming towards me to get or stay on their own side. -- Trevor From JonIsaacs at aol.com Wed Jul 18 08:42:46 2007 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:42:46 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/17/07 9:32:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rob_leone at earthlink.net writes: > Fortunately, they both felt fine enough to dust off and go on their > merry ways. the roadie mentioned it was a blind corner, and said the > collision was "an actuarial inevitability." > Maybe if we had bike paths without blind corners the actuaries will go > play elsewhere. I do know I'll be slow and vigilant rounding that bend > in the future, and ma even mark it for speical attention if I plan a > group ride. > > Robert Leone ======== I can't quite buy it myself... Blind corners are a fact of life. Whether one is riding a bicycle or driving a semi, one needs to operate ones vehicle with the awareness that someone may well be coming the other direction. As I remember it, that path is wide enough for two riders riding at a reasonable speed to pass. "Actuarial inevitability" seems more like an excuse for sloppy riding to me... Isn't it just basic vehicle operating skills? If you can't see around a corner make sure you are can handle whatever comes up. That means riding slowly enough to stay on you own side and maybe even slowly enough to stop if necessary. The only actuarial inevitability one has to be concerned with is not a blind corner but rather the chance of meeting a sloppy rider or sloppy riding on one's own part.... Blind corners are a fact of life that shouldn't present any special challenge if everyone is paying attention and practicing "defensive riding." Jon Isaacs ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070718/d690537a/attachment.html From forester at johnforester.com Wed Jul 18 12:24:43 2007 From: forester at johnforester.com (John Forester) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:24:43 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070718092110.02e02f78@johnforester.com> It is standard highway practice, and therefore should be standard Class One Bikeway practice, to notify travellers when they approach conditions that unexpectedly present a danger that is not similar to the typical conditions along the route. The sharp corner sign, with a slow speed notice, probably would be appropriate at this point, and a center line might be appropriate also. At 05:42 AM 7/18/2007, JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 7/17/07 9:32:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >rob_leone at earthlink.net writes: > >>Fortunately, they both felt fine enough to dust off and go on their >>merry ways. the roadie mentioned it was a blind corner, and said the >>collision was "an actuarial inevitability." >> Maybe if we had bike paths without blind corners the actuaries will go >>play elsewhere. I do know I'll be slow and vigilant rounding that bend >>in the future, and ma even mark it for speical attention if I plan a >>group ride. >> >>Robert Leone > > >======== > >I can't quite buy it myself... > >Blind corners are a fact of life. Whether one is riding a bicycle >or driving a semi, one needs to operate ones vehicle with the >awareness that someone may well be coming the other direction. > >As I remember it, that path is wide enough for two riders riding at >a reasonable speed to pass. "Actuarial inevitability" seems more >like an excuse for sloppy riding to me... > >Isn't it just basic vehicle operating skills? If you can't see >around a corner make sure you are can handle whatever comes >up. That means riding slowly enough to stay on you own side and >maybe even slowly enough to stop if necessary. > >The only actuarial inevitability one has to be concerned with is not >a blind corner but rather the chance of meeting a sloppy rider or >sloppy riding on one's own part.... > >Blind corners are a fact of life that shouldn't present any special >challenge if everyone is paying attention and practicing "defensive riding." > >Jon Isaacs > > >************************************** >Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as forester at johnforester.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org John Forester, MS, PE Bicycle Transportation Engineer 7585 Church St. Lemon Grove, CA 91945-2306 619-644-5481 www.johnforester.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070718/a6134d45/attachment.html From neil0502 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 13:03:46 2007 From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070718092110.02e02f78@johnforester.com> Message-ID: <612330.40252.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- John Forester wrote: > It is standard highway practice, and therefore should be standard > Class One Bikeway practice, to notify travelers when they approach > conditions that unexpectedly present a danger that is not similar to > the typical conditions along the route. The sharp corner sign, with a > slow speed notice, probably would be appropriate at this point, and a > center line might be appropriate also. Rather than some sort of "actuarial inevitability," to which Mr. Leone took umbrage (as do I), I view it as more of a Darwin Corner. I lived over there for a few years, and rode that path quite a lot. I ALWAYS gave a shout out before entering (as I did on the chicane on the RC Bike Path a bit north of Santa Fe Street (where there were ALSO many collisions)) AND stayed to my right. Sadly, many others don't think to do anything of the sort. Also sad that the signs and lines that John Forester references probably WOULD be of some help at this spot. From execdir at sdcbc.org Wed Jul 18 16:00:05 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:00:05 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] board meeting Wednesday, July 25th Message-ID: <001501c7c976$3c4d95f0$b4e8c1d0$@org> Our next SDCBC Board meeting will be Wednesday, July 25th, 7:00 to 8:30 p.m. at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive, San Diego. Please send agenda items to Brian Parent (bparent at ucsd.edu) or myself by Friday to include on the agenda. Hope to see you there! Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070718/1c3b3405/attachment.html From JonIsaacs at aol.com Wed Jul 18 23:27:22 2007 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:27:22 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/07 9:44:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, forester at johnforester.com writes: > It is standard highway practice, and therefore should be standard Class One > Bikeway practice, to notify travellers when they approach conditions that > unexpectedly present a danger that is not similar to the typical conditions > along the route. The sharp corner sign, with a slow speed notice, probably would > be appropriate at this point, and a center line might be appropriate also. > John et. al. I agree that proper signage is important... I have ridden the path in question several times but have decided that West Mission Bay Drive is superior and so it has been a while since I have ridden that particular section. This afternoon was indeed a glorious time to be riding a bicycle so I thought I would add a few miles to my normal ride home and refresh my memories of exactly what this path is like. It is not good. Besides the debris at the north/east entrance, the surface is rough, very bad in spots, it is narrow and it has several sections that are narrow enough that there may not be enough room for two riders to pass. The section under Grand Ave is particularly bad and this afternoon (6pm) there was someone sleeping in the bike path wearing dark clothing, this was quite a surprise... Further south there is the narrow entrance to the section that is walled on both sides by a tall chainlink fence. The section where the collision happened is actually quite wide with plenty of room for people to pass safely if they are riding on their side of the path. I rode most of the path at about 13mph, some of the sections were quite rough and required slowing. >From my point of view, the corner in question was typical of the rest of the path. It is narrow and it requires attention to watch for debris, pedestrians, people sleeping, people drinking, narrow awkward sections. This afternoon there was even a "CRIME SCENE, DONT CROSS" Yellow Tape across the path. So, my original point was that collisions like this are not inevitable, they are easily avoided if riders pay attention to the road ahead and adjust their speed in accord to conditions ahead. And too, this path needs serious improvement if it to serve the cycling community as a viable alternative to surface roads. That's my two cents Jon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070718/76b8e6aa/attachment-0001.html From jwstump at cox.net Wed Jul 18 23:54:11 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (J. W. Stump) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:54:11 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] If you slip and fall give Stump a call References: Message-ID: <002801c7c9b8$a3c65cc0$6401a8c0@MEXICANSUNRISE> Now we are on to something. Lets get an unsafe condition improved. I suggest that a letter be sent to the City Traffic department with copies to the Mayor and Michael Aguirre. Mike Aguirre probably bikes himself and would help if asked. Otherwise will someone please scatter my business cards around this hazard. When you slip and fall give Stump a call*. All the best John Stump 4133 Poplar City Heights, California 92105 * This slogan is for humorous purposes only as I am not engaged in the practice of personal injury claims.. I am more interested in preventing harm, hurt, and injury. This information is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. No promise of action or legal representation is made by receipt of this message. Sender's intent is to discuss matters generally in a hypothetical manner. A written agreement of legal representation, signed by all parties, is required to form a new valid attorney client relationship. Absent such written agreement no claim for fees will be made and no legal action taken. ----- Original Message ----- From: JonIsaacs at aol.com To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In a message dated 7/18/07 9:44:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, forester at johnforester.com writes: It is standard highway practice, and therefore should be standard Class One Bikeway practice, to notify travellers when they approach conditions that unexpectedly present a danger that is not similar to the typical conditions along the route. The sharp corner sign, with a slow speed notice, probably would be appropriate at this point, and a center line might be appropriate also. John et. al. I agree that proper signage is important... I have ridden the path in question several times but have decided that West Mission Bay Drive is superior and so it has been a while since I have ridden that particular section. This afternoon was indeed a glorious time to be riding a bicycle so I thought I would add a few miles to my normal ride home and refresh my memories of exactly what this path is like. It is not good. Besides the debris at the north/east entrance, the surface is rough, very bad in spots, it is narrow and it has several sections that are narrow enough that there may not be enough room for two riders to pass. The section under Grand Ave is particularly bad and this afternoon (6pm) there was someone sleeping in the bike path wearing dark clothing, this was quite a surprise... Further south there is the narrow entrance to the section that is walled on both sides by a tall chainlink fence. The section where the collision happened is actually quite wide with plenty of room for people to pass safely if they are riding on their side of the path. I rode most of the path at about 13mph, some of the sections were quite rough and required slowing. >From my point of view, the corner in question was typical of the rest of the path. It is narrow and it requires attention to watch for debris, pedestrians, people sleeping, people drinking, narrow awkward sections. This afternoon there was even a "CRIME SCENE, DONT CROSS" Yellow Tape across the path. So, my original point was that collisions like this are not inevitable, they are easily avoided if riders pay attention to the road ahead and adjust their speed in accord to conditions ahead. And too, this path needs serious improvement if it to serve the cycling community as a viable alternative to surface roads. That's my two cents Jon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jwstump at cox.net To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070718/6240414b/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Thu Jul 19 00:43:10 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:43:10 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ec985b0707182143l742619d4n6a3d8512e3e3edcb@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote: > So, my original point was that collisions like this are not inevitable, > they are easily avoided if riders pay attention to the road ahead and adjust > their speed in accord to conditions ahead. Given human nature, it is not reasonable to expect that all humans will always pay attention. Therefore, practically speaking, EVENTUALLY, collisions like this ARE inevitable. Yes, you SHOULD pay attention and if you do, you should be able to avoid collisions like this. But, paved bike paths, like roads and sidewalks, and unlike unpaved trails, should meet certain minimal design standards to reduce the likelihood of having the inevitable collisions. Unfortunately, because the courts keep ruling that the current laws treat paved bike paths like off-road unpaved trails and so they should be treated legally accordingly, we have no recourse to motivate the city to fix these problems. In contrast, if there is a tripping hazard on a sidewalk or a pothole in the street, you can get the city to fix it relatively easily, probably because they know they are legally liable for not repairing hazards on streets and sidewalks. That they don't have the same legal obligation to maintain paved bike paths similarly is absurd. Serge From JonIsaacs at aol.com Thu Jul 19 01:16:31 2007 From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:16:31 EDT Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/07 9:43:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, serge at issakov.org writes: > Given human nature, it is not reasonable to expect that all humans > will always pay attention. > Therefore, practically speaking, EVENTUALLY, collisions like this ARE > inevitable. > > As they say, accidents happen. But any particular accident need not happen and this one, well, after riding that path, I have to say someone screwed up. There is plenty of room to pass safely, it is actually one of the widest sections of the path. That said, since this is an organization promoting improved conditions for cycling, something ought to be done about the entire path... So I wonder this: Is that an important path, does it carry a significant portion of the traffic between the Santa Fe Ave bike route and south along Mission Bay as well as to Garnet and Grand? Do people take it instead of the surface streets? Or is it mostly a continuation of the ride along the bay path with it's 8mph speed limit and myrids of pedestrians and runners... Jon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070719/9a2002af/attachment.html From neil0502 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 10:27:37 2007 From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <256047.40457.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote: > And too, this path needs serious improvement if it to serve the cycling > community as a viable alternative to surface roads. I think that's sort of the bottom line here. When I lived in that general area, I wound up writing to the PB outpost of the SDPD more than a few times when the ... um ... extrinsic hazards would get so bad that I would ask my wife NOT to ride the path alone. The eastern area, on the south edge of the path proper, just west of Mission Bay Drive, has oft become a serious encampment, with broken bottles, furniture, rather large numbers of rather antisocial de facto residents, and (I've seen this more than a few times) people vomiting in the middle of the pathway. Charming. Further west, happily, you have the graffiti-tagging, pot-smoking, beer-drinking, truant MBHS kids who frolic under Grand Avenue (Sure, I once WAS one, but....). They aren't always beacons of good cheer and hospitality when cyclists infringe.... I think that whole SECTION of the RC path from Mission Bay Drive to ... what is it ... North Mission Bay Drive? ... is a virtual do-over. I tend to avoid it, too, especially when coming up from the South, through MB Park, but ... the EAST (I'm lost!) Mission Bay Drive stretch ... where the I-5 traffic comes off the Garnet exit ... is, IMO, one of the trickiest in the area. Hobson's choice. Was Hobson a cyclist, I wonder? Neil From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 19 15:56:12 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! Message-ID: <465869.49640.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That freely-flowing two-lane offramp dumping 65mph I-5 traffic to the right of northbound cyclists on Mission Bay Drive is a classic example of why CalTrans should not be permitted to design the interface between freeway access ramps and the remainder of the road grid. I hate the path, but unless traffic is very light with ample gaps, I use it to avoid that particular intersection. ----- Original Message ---- From: Neil Brooks ... but ... the EAST (I'm lost!) Mission Bay Drive stretch ... where the I-5 traffic comes off the Garnet exit ... is, IMO, one of the trickiest in the area. Hobson's choice. Was Hobson a cyclist, I wonder? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070719/81d541ba/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 20 10:12:42 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! Message-ID: <601171.338.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The problem, Serge, is that two lanes come flying in from the right. Even if you are lucky enough to find a motorist who will actually slow for you (instead of speeding up to protect "their" lane from your invasion), you have no protection against another motorist suddenly changing lanes to pass the slowing car. This intersection and every other one like it violates the fundamental principle of slower traffic to the right and faster traffic to the left. As usual, the problem is much worse for pedestrians and mobility scooter operators, who actually do have a right to safe and efficient accommodation on our public roadways. Intersections such as the one in question reinforce the public perception that walking and bicycling are inherently dangerous and that "streets are for cars." My answer is radical surgery in the form of traffic controls, traffic calming, bypasses, whatever it takes. All the best, John ----- Original Message ---- From: Serge Issakov To: John Eldon Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:32:19 PM Subject: Re: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! This works for me: Stay in the left lane, right biased. Look back and CLEARLY signal right. Keep signalling and alternating between looking ahead and looking back until someone slows down to my speed to let me in (causing everything behind them to slow down), THEN move right across, and they pass. What's the problem? Serge On 7/19/07, John Eldon wrote: > > That freely-flowing two-lane offramp dumping 65mph I-5 traffic to the right > of northbound cyclists on Mission Bay Drive is a classic example of why > CalTrans should not be permitted to design the interface between freeway > access ramps and the remainder of the road grid. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070720/7d6d5271/attachment-0001.html From declan at declan.net Fri Jul 20 12:38:58 2007 From: declan at declan.net (Declan Fleming) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:38:58 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] =?windows-1252?q?A_New_French_Revolution=92s_Creed=3A_Let?= =?windows-1252?q?_Them_Ride_Bikes?= Message-ID: <31b0064e0707200938g3edacb9ek9474d677ad366456@mail.gmail.com> This is a neat idea: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/world/europe/16paris.html?ex=1342238400&en=975123fe49328791&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070720/ae000c09/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Fri Jul 20 13:12:04 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:12:04 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In-Reply-To: <601171.338.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <601171.338.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ec985b0707201012h37453e20gbff08322ff2d1039@mail.gmail.com> One lane, two lanes, what's the difference? Lather, rinse, repeat (did you hear about the software engineer who died from exhaustion taking a shower? He was following the directions on the shampoo bottle...). Seriously, there are three lanes: #1, #2 and #3. You're in #1, and #2 and #3 come in from the right off the freeway. After someone (say a Prius) in #2 yields to you, you move from #1 to #2 and start signaling right and alternating between looking ahead and looking back until someone in lane #3 yields to you. If #3 is unoccupied, you go for it, unless someone (in say a pickup) is flying along from behind in #2, in which case I'd probably wait until the pickup slowed down, or moved into #3 and passed me and the Prius on the right. It's an unusual situation, but the same principles apply here as they do everywhere else. In particular: don't move laterally without first verifying that it is clear and safe to do so. Serge On 7/20/07, John Eldon wrote: > > The problem, Serge, is that two lanes come flying in from the right. Even if > you are lucky enough to find a motorist who will actually slow for you > (instead of speeding up to protect "their" lane from your invasion), you > have no protection against another motorist suddenly changing lanes to pass > the slowing car. This intersection and every other one like it violates the > fundamental principle of slower traffic to the right and faster traffic to > the left. > > As usual, the problem is much worse for pedestrians and mobility scooter > operators, who actually do have a right to safe and efficient accommodation > on our public roadways. Intersections such as the one in question reinforce > the public perception that walking and bicycling are inherently dangerous > and that "streets are for cars." My answer is radical surgery in the form of > traffic controls, traffic calming, bypasses, whatever it takes. > > All the best, > > John > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Serge Issakov > To: John Eldon > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:32:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! > > This works for me: > > Stay in the left lane, right biased. Look back and CLEARLY signal > right. Keep signalling and alternating between looking ahead and > looking back until someone slows down to my speed to let me in > (causing everything behind them to slow down), THEN move right across, > and they pass. > > What's the problem? > > Serge > > > On 7/19/07, John Eldon wrote: > > > > That freely-flowing two-lane offramp dumping 65mph I-5 traffic to the > right > > of northbound cyclists on Mission Bay Drive is a classic example of why > > CalTrans should not be permitted to design the interface between freeway > > access ramps and the remainder of the road grid. > > From Jim at kkbs-law.com Fri Jul 20 13:50:02 2007 From: Jim at kkbs-law.com (Jim Krause) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:50:02 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! Message-ID: <219726F940F99F4E92FF98767E6AF1A486C1AA@kk03server.krausekalfayan.loc> I have been reading all of your discussion with great interest. A year ago I met a woman who was almost killed at that intersection with the exit for highway 5. She was riding on the rear of a tandem with her husband. I always think about this, and as a result always use the bike path. Jim K. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Serge Issakov Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:12 AM To: John Eldon Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! One lane, two lanes, what's the difference? Lather, rinse, repeat (did you hear about the software engineer who died from exhaustion taking a shower? He was following the directions on the shampoo bottle...). Seriously, there are three lanes: #1, #2 and #3. You're in #1, and #2 and #3 come in from the right off the freeway. After someone (say a Prius) in #2 yields to you, you move from #1 to #2 and start signaling right and alternating between looking ahead and looking back until someone in lane #3 yields to you. If #3 is unoccupied, you go for it, unless someone (in say a pickup) is flying along from behind in #2, in which case I'd probably wait until the pickup slowed down, or moved into #3 and passed me and the Prius on the right. It's an unusual situation, but the same principles apply here as they do everywhere else. In particular: don't move laterally without first verifying that it is clear and safe to do so. Serge On 7/20/07, John Eldon wrote: > > The problem, Serge, is that two lanes come flying in from the right. Even if > you are lucky enough to find a motorist who will actually slow for you > (instead of speeding up to protect "their" lane from your invasion), you > have no protection against another motorist suddenly changing lanes to pass > the slowing car. This intersection and every other one like it violates the > fundamental principle of slower traffic to the right and faster traffic to > the left. > > As usual, the problem is much worse for pedestrians and mobility scooter > operators, who actually do have a right to safe and efficient accommodation > on our public roadways. Intersections such as the one in question reinforce > the public perception that walking and bicycling are inherently dangerous > and that "streets are for cars." My answer is radical surgery in the form of > traffic controls, traffic calming, bypasses, whatever it takes. > > All the best, > > John > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Serge Issakov > To: John Eldon > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:32:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! > > This works for me: > > Stay in the left lane, right biased. Look back and CLEARLY signal > right. Keep signalling and alternating between looking ahead and > looking back until someone slows down to my speed to let me in > (causing everything behind them to slow down), THEN move right across, > and they pass. > > What's the problem? > > Serge > > > On 7/19/07, John Eldon wrote: > > > > That freely-flowing two-lane offramp dumping 65mph I-5 traffic to the > right > > of northbound cyclists on Mission Bay Drive is a classic example of why > > CalTrans should not be permitted to design the interface between freeway > > access ramps and the remainder of the road grid. > > _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as Jim at kkbs-law.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 14:34:27 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:34:27 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Mission Bay @ I-5 offramp In-Reply-To: <219726F940F99F4E92FF98767E6AF1A486C1AA@kk03server.krausekalfayan.loc> Message-ID: Thanks for posting, Jim. I recall reading the news report regarding that tragic incident. If my memory is functioning properly, their names are Dave and Betty White. How was she when you met her? When I do ride north through that intersection, I normally stop and wait for a generous gap in traffic, then dive across the car-vomiting open mouth of I-5 for the right shoulder. This is admittedly not particularly elegant, vehicular or "effective," but handling it Serge's way scares the cr at p out of me, unless traffic is either very gappy or congestion-slowed. Where Serge and I differ is that I adamantly oppose this sort of intersection and advocate traffic calming and re-engineering. Since I spend roughly equal time on/along the roads as a pedestrian and as a cyclist, I realize this gives me a somewhat different perspetive. John E. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Jim Krause Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:50 AM To: Serge Issakov; John Eldon Cc: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! I have been reading all of your discussion with great interest. A year ago I met a woman who was almost killed at that intersection with the exit for highway 5. She was riding on the rear of a tandem with her husband. I always think about this, and as a result always use the bike path. Jim K. From neil0502 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 16:47:09 2007 From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ ! In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0707201012h37453e20gbff08322ff2d1039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <671853.27299.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Serge Issakov wrote: > One lane, two lanes, what's the difference? Lather, rinse, repeat > (did you hear about the software engineer who died from exhaustion > taking a shower? He was following the directions on the shampoo > bottle...). > > Seriously, there are three lanes: #1, #2 and #3. You're in #1, and #2 > and #3 come in from the right off the freeway. After someone (say a > Prius) in #2 yields to you, you move from #1 to #2 and start signaling > right and alternating between looking ahead and looking back until > someone in lane #3 yields to you. If #3 is unoccupied, you go for > it, unless someone (in say a pickup) is flying along from behind in > #2, in which case I'd probably wait until the pickup slowed down, or > moved into #3 and passed me and the Prius on the right. > > It's an unusual situation, but the same principles apply here as they > do everywhere else. In particular: don't move laterally without first > verifying that it is clear and safe to do so. Dear Serge, I believe it was Willie Mays who, when asked if he had a secret to his legendary baseball greatness, once said, "They throw the ball, I hit it; they hit the ball, I catch it." Get my drift? ;-) Neil Who drives a Prius and smiled, at least, at that part of your post ;-) From execdir at sdcbc.org Sun Jul 22 18:38:18 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:38:18 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] SDCBC new office work party July 28th Message-ID: <005001c7ccb0$ffea6410$ffbf2c30$@org> Yes, we're finally getting a real live office! This is pretty exciting on several levels - 1. We have a place for bicyclists to come, volunteer, interact with other like-minded individuals 2. We have a place for meetings, classes, and other gatherings 3. We're sharing with WalkSanDiego, so there will be some great interaction and information sharing between our organization and theirs on topics of mutual interest 4. It's downtown, where the financial planning for the whole region takes place. Of course, you knew there would be a catch. the office furniture (seven desks, some filing cabinets, bookshelves, etc) has been waiting patiently in my garage for the past month or so, and it wants to go to its new home. So we're having a work party on Saturday, July 28th. I plan on starting moving things at 9:00 and hope to be done by early afternoon. We need trucks, cars, or vans that can help, along with some strong backs for a few hours of work. You will be rewarded with lunch, a sneak peek at the new digs, and my undying gratitude. :-) The fun starts in Rancho Bernardo (10611 Matinal Circle, San Diego, 92127) and ends at the office (710 13th St, Suite 220, San Diego, 92101) Many thanks to the folks who helped get us this far - Silke Fleischer, Eric Converse, Stephan Vance, Tom Lettington, and Kay Lettington, who helped move the furniture once already, and to Adobe Systems who donated the furniture to start with. Please let me know if you are available for a couple of hours to help. I dread the thought of moving all the furniture down there one desk at a time in my Hyundai. Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kathy From: Tina Indalecio [mailto:tina at ridetommasini.com] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:51 PM To: execdir at sdcbc.org Subject: Tommasini Discounts for San Diego Residents Dear San Diego Bicycle Coalition, Tommasini has launched 2 great programs that are available to San Diego Residents only: 1. The San Diego Resident Discount Card - allows residents to receive a 20% discount on a new frame purchase PLUS Tommasini USA, Inc. will donate 5% of the purchase price to the bicycle club or local charity of their choice and more... 2. The Refer a Friend Discount Card - allows residents to receive a 20% discount on a new frame purchase PLUS the person who refers them to Tommasini USA, Inc. will receive a 5% commission on the purchase price and more... Attached to this email are jpgs of the DISCOUNT cards. I will also supply you with printed cards when they get back from the printer. Until then, you can print out or email these files as needed. Please give them to anyone you know who is interested in buying a Tommasini frame or complete bike. Please let me know if you have any questions and THANK YOU for supporting Tommasini! -- Ciao, Tina Indalecio Owner Tommasini USA, Inc. 740 13th Street Studio 502 San Diego, CA 92101 1.800.533.1577 office 619.325.0985 fax 619.788.7332 cell www.ridetommasini.com www.clubtommasini.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070724/f86ae7f1/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kathy Attention members and friends of SDCBC: For the first two weeks in August (8/1-8/15), ZOIC Clothing is running a promotional offer to all friends, family and members of SDCBC. For an instant 15% off your order, type in "sdcbc" at checkout and an additional 5% of all sales are being donated back to SDCBC. Please visit www.zoic.com to view our products. One item per week is always on sale, so check out the homepage for that special deal. Enjoy the rest of the summer! Thank you, Ashley Bridges PR Coordinator ZOIC Clothing ashley at zoic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure Shimano, et. al., would not break any laws, more just for the very bad publicity that it would generate than just whatever penalties they would incur. Although I rarely read Bicycling Magazine, I did happen to pick up the issue that reported on the first program, somewhere in New England. By all accounts, it was a success with several of the people actually using the bikes on a regular basis, even after the year was over. San Diego will probably see even greater participation because of our weather. Let's hope this and other program such as the Paris bike project are successful. And although I don't use them, I am really hoping FlexCar and the other Rent-A-Car-By-The-Hour concerns in other cities are able to become viable, growing businesses. If you haven't checked out FlexCar, please do. Once you sign up, all you need do is reserve a car in your neighborhood at their website (www.flexcar.com), walk up to the car, and swipe your electronic key. The door opens and the car key is in the glovebox. Use the car and return it to its location. They pay for gas and insurance. Pretty slick. And it is cheap, too. The prices range from $6 to $12 per hour. Hope for the future. Frank Paiano Ocean Beach ==================================================================== -- Philip Erdelsky wrote: It probably isn't legal, but there is a pavement marking advertising a bicycling Web site on the sidewalk at two or more places in North Park: http://www.efgh.com/temp/30226.jpg The site http://www.coasting.com/ has a nice opening. I haven't checked out the merchandise. -- Philip Erdelsky _______________________________________________ You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as wondernerd at juno.com To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman- computing.org/aup For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send e- mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org ________________________________________________________________________ Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 From execdir at sdcbc.org Fri Jul 27 21:27:30 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:27:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Moving day tomorrow! Message-ID: <001501c7d0b6$77ef1150$67cd33f0$@org> WalkSanDiego has generously rented a truck, but we still need a few bodies to help load and unload, so if you have some time tomorrow morning and would like to help, you are welcome to join us! 9:00 a.m. 10611 Matinal Circle, San Diego 92127 - loading the truck with all the furniture 10:30 or so - 710 13th St, San Diego 92101 - unloading the truck and getting the furniture into the office. Hope to see you there! Questions? Call my cell phone at 858.243.5588 before 9:00 tonight or after 8:00 a.m. tomorrow. Kathy ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070727/bd3b0a05/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Sun Jul 29 15:35:44 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:35:44 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] East Otay Mesa Community Plan - County of San Diego Board meeting August 1 Message-ID: <000a01c7d217$a82646b0$f872d410$@org> Hello all, The County of San Diego is working on a new community plan for the East Otay area of the County (roughly the eastern boundary of San Diego to Alta Road, and from the international border north to Otay Lakes Road. The area is basically industrial, and will continue to be industrial and commercial for the foreseeable future. In the old plan, pretty much all the arterials had bike lanes designated for them, and the new plan does also, with the exception of Otay Mesa Road. Apparently the right of way for Otay Mesa Road is constricted by some power lines, and although a six lane arterial with a median will fit, there isn't room to include bike lanes. http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/dplu/docs/PC/7-13-07/AGENDA.pdf is a link to the agenda and supporting materials. At Planning Commission they did approve including bike lanes on Alta Road (which was a little hole that was easily fixed in the plan) but were unwilling to encourage bicyclists to ride on a six lane major arterial with high speeds and lots of truck traffic, and since they have been told there isn't room for bike lanes, they approved the plan without a provision for bike lanes on Otay Mesa Road. As many of you know, Otay Mesa Road is an important connector to the west, and will continue to be as SR905, SR125, and SR11 are built to provide access to the border crossings in Otay Mesa. Otay Mesa Road NEEDS space for bicyclists. Below is a draft letter I have prepared to send to the supervisors. Please take some time to call or email their offices to voice your support for the idea that ALL streets need to accommodate bicyclists, and that you want to see the plan include bike lanes on Otay Mesa Road. Please tell your friends! Kathy To find your Supervisor - http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/general/bos.html San Diego County Supervisor Greg Cox District 1 Phone 619.531.5511 Greg.cox at sdcounty.ca.gov County Supervisor Dianne Jacob District 2 Phone 619.531.5522 Dianne.jacob at sdcounty.ca.gov County Supervisor Pam Slater-Price District 3 Phone 619.531.5533 Pam. Slater at sdcounty.ca.gov County Supervisor Ron Roberts District 4 Phone 619.531.5544 Ron-roberts at sdcounty.ca.gov Supervisor Bill Horn District 5 Phone 619.531.5555 Bill.horn at sdcounty.ca.gov ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. 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ITEM-1: Workshop on PARKING ISSUES with a Report from the City Planning and Community Investment Department ---- Kathy Keehan wrote: ============= Hello all, The County of San Diego is working on a new community plan for the East Otay area of the County (roughly the eastern boundary of San Diego to Alta Road, and from the international border north to Otay Lakes Road. The area is basically industrial, and will continue to be industrial and commercial for the foreseeable future. In the old plan, pretty much all the arterials had bike lanes designated for them, and the new plan does also, with the exception of Otay Mesa Road. Apparently the right of way for Otay Mesa Road is constricted by some power lines, and although a six lane arterial with a median will fit, there isn't room to include bike lanes. http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/dplu/docs/PC/7-13-07/AGENDA.pdf is a link to the agenda and supporting materials. At Planning Commission they did approve including bike lanes on Alta Road (which was a little hole that was easily fixed in the plan) but were unwilling to encourage bicyclists to ride on a six lane major arterial with high speeds and lots of truck traffic, and since they have been told there isn't room for bike lanes, they approved the plan without a provision for bike lanes on Otay Mesa Road. As many of you know, Otay Mesa Road is an important connector to the west, and will continue to be as SR905, SR125, and SR11 are built to provide access to the border crossings in Otay Mesa. Otay Mesa Road NEEDS space for bicyclists. Below is a draft letter I have prepared to send to the supervisors. Please take some time to call or email their offices to voice your support for the idea that ALL streets need to accommodate bicyclists, and that you want to see the plan include bike lanes on Otay Mesa Road. Please tell your friends! Kathy To find your Supervisor - http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/general/bos.html San Diego County Supervisor Greg Cox District 1 Phone 619.531.5511 Greg.cox at sdcounty.ca.gov County Supervisor Dianne Jacob District 2 Phone 619.531.5522 Dianne.jacob at sdcounty.ca.gov County Supervisor Pam Slater-Price District 3 Phone 619.531.5533 Pam. Slater at sdcounty.ca.gov County Supervisor Ron Roberts District 4 Phone 619.531.5544 Ron-roberts at sdcounty.ca.gov Supervisor Bill Horn District 5 Phone 619.531.5555 Bill.horn at sdcounty.ca.gov ------------------------------------------ Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org www.sdcbc.org From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net Sun Jul 29 19:28:29 2007 From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:28:29 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane Message-ID: <20070729232826.LCLB14885.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> A restaurant (Dino's?) on the Pacific Coast Highway's 'Restaurant Row' between Solana Beach and Encinitas has placed 4 white cones in the bike lane. The restaurant is on the east side of the street, the farthest north building, in the area across the street from the Chart House and several other restaurants. This restaurant has placed 4 white plastic cones in the bike lane about 1 foot to the right of the white line dividing the motor vehicle lane and the bike lane. These cones are 3-4 feet high, about 4 inches across, have their own base so are not permanently fixed onto the street and are tied together with rope that is 8-12 feet long. These cones should not be in the bike lane. They were observed when northbound about 10AM and again when southbound several hours later. If a cyclist hits one of these cones, quite possibly a fall will result especially since these 4 cones are tied together. Hopefully a recipient of this SDCBC list can forward this email to someone who can have the restaurant remove this dangerous obstruction from the bike lane. Thanks Darryl MacKenzie DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (619) 303-7316 o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070729/a9e5fc2c/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 30 10:16:24 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane Message-ID: <739262.97623.qm@web52511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for posting, Darryl. Cardiff Restaurant Row is within the City of Encinitas, http://ci.encinitas.ca.us ; this MAY fall under "code enforcement" http://ci.encinitas.ca.us/Resident/HealthAS/CodeESEP/ . Another option is to forward the complaint to the Union Tribune's "just fix it" reporter: www.justfixit.uniontrib.com . When I have encountered similar obstacles in the past, I have often been angered enough to stop and move or remove the offending object(s), which have included sawhorses bearing yard sale signs. When I am out jogging or walking, I am pretty good about removing hazardous debris from road shoulders and bike lanes. If you like, I shall be pleased to forward your complaint and to raise hell at Encinitas City Hall (they know me very well :) ), but I first want to determine which restaurant is guilty. Las Olas is at the south end of the cluster and is owned by a bicycling enthusiast. I believe Ki's is the northernmost of the three restaurants, but there is an office/professional building with a small lot marked "we tow" just north of it. All the best, John E. ----- Original Message ---- From: Darryl MacKenzie To: SDCBC at bikesandiego.org Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 4:28:29 PM Subject: [SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane A restaurant (Dino?s?) on the Pacific Coast Highway ?s ?Restaurant Row? between Solana Beach and Encinitas has placed 4 white cones in the bike lane. The restaurant is on the east side of the street, the farthest north building, in the area across the street from the Chart House and several other restaurants. This restaurant has placed 4 white plastic cones in the bike lane about 1 foot to the right of the white line dividing the motor vehicle lane and the bike lane. These cones are 3-4 feet high, about 4 inches across, have their own base so are not permanently fixed onto the street and are tied together with rope that is 8-12 feet long. These cones should not be in the bike lane. They were observed when northbound about 10AM and again when southbound several hours later. If a cyclist hits one of these cones, quite possibly a fall will result especially since these 4 cones are tied together. Hopefully a recipient of this SDCBC list can forward this email to someone who can have the restaurant remove this dangerous obstruction from the bike lane. Thanks Darryl MacKenzie DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (619) 303-7316 o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070730/92f1a36f/attachment.html From jwstump at cox.net Mon Jul 30 23:20:33 2007 From: jwstump at cox.net (jwstump at cox.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:20:33 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Jelly Belly: Free Sport Beans, Harry Potter Goodies, & Half Off Pomegranate Beans! 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The signs for the alternative route imply that the closed bicycle lanes means there will be no bicycles which of course is not the case. - I normally find it ironic/pardoxical that the BIKE LANE CLOSED AHEAD signs are take up the entire Bike Lane so that the Bike Lane is effectively closed at the sign itself as well. I guess I am asking to much and should be happy with the alternative route which is nicely marked with signs that are of course blocking the Bike Lane... Just wondering what everybody else thinks about this sort of thing... Jon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070731/92a87b6d/attachment.html From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 31 19:19:42 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] Thoughts: Genesee Bike Lane Closed Message-ID: <951925.96598.qm@web52509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What we really need in such scenarios are posted and enforced reduced construction zone speed limits. ----- Original Message ---- From: "JonIsaacs at aol.com" To: SDCBC at bikesandiego.org Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:57:22 PM Subject: [SDCBC] Thoughts: Genesee Bike Lane Closed Hi: My feeble brain is wandering around in it's vast cavern as it considers the temporary closure of the Genesee Bike Lanes west of Campus Point Drive to I-5 or so... - There are plenty of signs that point out that the bike lane is closed and that there is an alternative route. - I am thinking that the signs should suggest SHARING THE ROAD WITH BICYCLES so that other vehicle operators will realize that closing the Bike Lane means that now Bicycles will be using the regular traffic lanes. The signs for the alternative route imply that the closed bicycle lanes means there will be no bicycles which of course is not the case. - I normally find it ironic/pardoxical that the BIKE LANE CLOSED AHEAD signs are take up the entire Bike Lane so that the Bike Lane is effectively closed at the sign itself as well. I guess I am asking to much and should be happy with the alternative route which is nicely marked with signs that are of course blocking the Bike Lane... Just wondering what everybody else thinks about this sort of thing... Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070731/a45e18ae/attachment.html From serge at issakov.org Tue Jul 31 19:26:42 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:26:42 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Thoughts: Genesee Bike Lane Closed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ec985b0707311626v65b21231s4c0eb3d71ac955f8@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty sure I saw a "share the road" sign there the other day. Anyway, anything, including a sign, that obviates us from having to comply with 21208 is all good as far as I'm concerned. ----- any person operating a bicycle ... shall ride within the bicycle lane, except ... ... (3) When reasonably necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions. ----- http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21208.htm Not sure which is better, a sign in the bike lane or a parked car in the bike lane... Hmm. Serge On 7/31/07, JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote: ... > > Just wondering what everybody else thinks about this sort of thing...