[SDCBC] Good article on bicycle scofflaws
Neal Henderson
nealhe at cox.net
Fri Jan 5 21:45:37 EST 2007
Hello All,
Pedestrian Crosswalks .......
http://www.azdot.gov/highways/Traffic/XWalk.asp
FOREWORD
The Arizona Department of Transportation's crosswalk policy is based on
research conducted over a seven-year period by the City of San Diego. The
San Diego approach to evaluating crosswalk needs, which resulted from that
research, has resulted in that city being consistently ranked as the safest
pedestrian city in the nation. The San Diego study showed traffic engineers
that nearly six pedestrian accidents were occurring in marked crosswalks for
every one mishap in unmarked crosswalks (those unpainted crosswalks that
exist by State law at all intersections). (emphasis added) When this ratio
was adjusted in terms of relative crosswalk usage, there was still an
impressive 2 to 1 difference in accidents.
Cheers,
Neal
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From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of John Forester
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 18:30
To: Trevor Bourget; Sachi Wilson; Sdcbc
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Good article on bicycle scorrlaws
Well, two different points of view, both of which have considerable
merit but neither of which dig sufficiently deep to understand what
they have in common. My comments are below.
Sachi Wilson wrote: "I disagree that this is a conscious
preference. It's social ignorance. Society has no clue, really,
what it "prefers" for cyclists. When you talk to people who do not
cycle seriously, once you get past the "keep them on the sidewalks
and trails" mentality, they DO begin to see that it is the
incompetent and unlawful cyclists who cause the great majority of the
problems that THEY perceive. And then they start listening . . . So
really, even "society" can have a preference for lawful and competent
cycling behavior, _once they are educated_ in what that behavior can
do for them. That is the key and the problem -- trying to educate
not just cyclists, but people who don't think they even care about cycling."
To whichTrevor Bourget replied: "I have to disagree. Watch people who
ride bikes or walk, and you can see that they would not prefer to
have to worry about what "rules" they should be following, and they
would rather not follow the rules they are "supposed to" know about.
People walk across streets wherever they want, ignoring crosswalks.
They ride bikes in whichever direction they prefer, and on the
sidewalk or in the roadway, as their whim dictates. People consider
driving to be "work", and bike riding and walking to be "play".
"People who try to make "work" out of cycling, by suggesting it does
or should have rules, are perceived as spoiling the fun. Many people
who don't ride a bike very often have one, and they don't want to
have their fun ruined when they take their bike to the park or on
their next vacation.
"The interesting part is the "having their cake and eating it too"
mentality, because it's the consequence of lawlessness that bicycle
"club cyclists" play on the streets, ignoring stop signs and traffic
lights. The choices of a lawful cyclist are unfortunately seen in the
same light, so drivers don't know that these riders are choosing lane
position by a different set of criteria than "because I want to"."
Sarah has offered the explanation of social ignorance, while Trevor
has offered the explanation of cycling as play. Not so different, are
these? Well, we'll see.
Before we proceed, I differ a bit with Trevor's criticism of
pedestrians crossing the street anywhere, "ignoring
crosswalks." Pedestrians are allowed to cross streets at any point,
except when crosswalks exist nearby. There are two different issues
about ignoring the presence of crosswalks: safety and traffic
control. The safety issue is very dubious; professional opinion has
not clearly adopted the view that crossing in crosswalks presents
less risk of accident, or the opposite view that using crosswalks is
as dangerous, or more dangerous, than not using them. The issue of
traffic control concerns the effect of pedestrians upon the flow of
motor traffic. While there are places where pedestrian traffic
controls motor traffic (parts of Manhattan Island, NY, for example),
in most places I think that pedestrians are pretty careful not to put
themselves in a position where their safety requires a significant
change in the flow of motor traffic. I think that introducing
pedestrians to this discussion does nothing to further the discussion
of cyclist behavior.
Attributing these instances to social ignorance, or to the desire
that cycling be play, ignores the role of society in creating these
attitudes. For example, while Sachi writes that people are ignorant
about cycling, she also writes that they already have the "keep them
on the sidewalks and trails mentality." That's not ignorance; that
comes from somewhere. It is a standard principle of sociology that
the preferences of people, and of societies, are shown far more
accurately by their acts than by their words. It's what they do, not
what they say, that is most important. Furthermore, it is a standard
principle of psychology that people learn more intensely from acts
than from words. Our society has spent very large efforts for eighty
years or more to getting people to understand that motorists should
operate as drivers of vehicles. Furthermore, our society has spent
large sums building highways that are particularly suited for their
users to operate as drivers of vehicles. I think that very few people
would question these facts. During most of this time, from say 1940
on, our society has pushed cyclists to the extreme side of the
roadway, or even off the roadway, and has since 1975 built bikeways
to physically enforce those principles, while all the time saying
that these measures are necessary because cyclists are incapable of
operating as drivers of vehicles. People are not entirely
unintelligent and unobservant; they see that these measures are the
social norm, and they learn to believe that these social norms are
the way that things should be. That is how societies function, and
have always functioned.
The fact that we competent and wish-to-be-lawful cyclists know far
better than these superstitious social norms does not mean that we
should not understand our predicament. Unless we do understand our
predicament we will never be able to alleviate it.
John Forester, MS, PE
Bicycle Transportation Engineer
7585 Church St.
Lemon Grove, CA 91945-2306
619-644-5481 www.johnforester.com
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