[SDCBC] Ca Street & Highway Code Archie Moore Freeway
J. W. Stump
jwstump at cox.net
Thu Aug 30 19:07:00 EDT 2007
Dear Friends;
If you are negotiating with CaLTRANs do not depend on the City or SANDAG staff for representing our best interests. You must get your own engineers and lawyers.
The most feature filled Freeway in the County is the SR -15 (Archie Moore) through the Mid City. The only way we were able to get the features on this Freeway that we did is that the City Heights community had its own lawyers and engineers. You must find the sections of the California Street & Highway Code http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html and CA Administrative Code http://www.calregs.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=CCR-1000&Action=Welcome that concern provision and continuation of bicycle routes when interrupted by the state construction. Listing of the crossings as mitigation is a boon.
City Heights depended on City and SANDAG staff for completion of the Mid City Bike Route to Mission Valley and the light Rail Trolley in the freeway median. You can see how well these staffs did on your next bike ride to Mission Valley or Trolley ride on the 15. [Nearly 20 years of waiting}
If you want some practical advice on CALTRANs call Jay Powell at the City Heights CDC 584-1535.
My vote is for both an environmental animal undercrossing with path and a human overcrossing to continue the current uses.. Make sure that you specify that the width of the crossing be large enough to accommodate a police patrol car < Compare overcrossins on the 15 Freeway in City Heights versus the non patrol car size in Normal Heights>.
All the best
John Stump
4133 Poplar
City Heights, California 92105
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Pietsch
To: 'Kathy Keehan'
Cc: 'Sdcbc'
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] tabulating the results so far onSVRBridge/Undercrossingquestion
Kathy--
I'm curious as to what event triggered this poll?
I've also been attending some of the Torrey Pines Community Planning Board
meetings and directly experienced the angst of neighbors who are concerned
about the addition of the two I-5 (to/from the North) to SR-56 "fly-over"
interconnects that Caltrans is driving to finish. Is this related, and if
so is the money for bike/pedestrian access the typical 1%-3% of total cost
that the contractors can add on so long as this access is directly related
to the cost of the freeway fly-over construction?
If so, this whole discussion trigger may be a ruse to distract us and either
get more money or enlist the bicycling community's support for yet another
boondoggle in San Diego to support freeway construction. (I'm trying to
refrain from using stronger language here to keep things civil.)
I, too, would rather see money spent first on the rather simple upgrades to
pave the connections on both sides of El Camino Real to the SR-56 bike path
as a first step, and pave the remainder of the SV path to Class I standards
before any under/overpass of I-5 is considered. If the money is sufficient
and of the general allocation sort, the rest of the SR-56 bike path sorely
needs "fixing" to meet the originally agreed upon (I think it was sometime
around 1994) standards at multiple points and intersections for the SR-56
bike path between I-5 and I-15.
Some clarity as to where this is coming from could help focus the
discussion.
Thanks,
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Carol D. Carr
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:49 PM
To: 'Thomas Reynolds'; 'Kathy Keehan'
Cc: 'Sdcbc'
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] tabulating the results so far onSVRBridge/Undercrossing
question
I must agree with Thomas Reynolds. Unlike some grade-separated crossings
further east on the SR56 bikeway, this particular undercrossing would be
dark, low-ceilinged, sometimes wet, and inviting to the homeless. I would be
nervous passing through. Therefore, I vote for an overcrossing.
Actually I think a higher priority should be FINISHING the 2 SR56 bikeway
access points from El Camino Real and the dirt/sand patch on the Sorrento
Valley bikeway near the north end. They've been an embarrassment for many
years, and a reminder of how little attention the city pays to bicyclists'
requests. I've asked repeatedly.
Carol Carr
-----Original Message-----
From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Thomas Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:34 AM
To: Kathy Keehan
Cc: Sdcbc
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] tabulating the results so far on
SVRBridge/Undercrossing question
I vote for the undercrossing.
Having said that, I'd like to point out another problem with the
undercrossing. Beside the water table it could also become a haven for
homeless people. It is now. Some cyclist, especially those who commute at
night, may not want to take the route if they don't feel safe.
Tom
On 8/30/07, Kathy Keehan <execdir at sdcbc.org> wrote:
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> So far I've received 17 responses, with the following breakdown
>
> 9 for the bridge
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> 3 'it depends'
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> 5 for the undercrossing
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> Several people have mentioned that the cost differential and the
> flooding issues would be a major determination for them one way or the
> other. I didn't want to bias the results just on costs, so I
> deliberately held that info back. The estimates (keep in mind these
> are estimates and to be taken with a grain of salt. they actual costs
> will almost certainly be higher for either option) - $1.4 million for
> the undercrossing, $7.9 million for the bridge overcrossing. Before
> you start freaking out, keep in mind that the proposed managed lanes
> for the I-5 corridor are estimated to cost $2.9 BILLION dollars, and
> the managed lanes under construction along I-15 right now are about
> $1.3 BILLION dollars. $1.5 million is significant, but not huge. $8
million is a lot, but maybe be worth it for a signature project.
>
> The flooding issues are significant. The bike path surface will be
> very close to the existing water table. I think that during wet years
> there will be many times when the bike path will not be usable.
>
> Now that you know the other circumstances, anyone want to change their
vote?
>
> Kathy
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> Kathy Keehan
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> Executive Director
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> San Diego County Bicycle Coalition
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> P.O. Box 34544
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> San Diego, CA 92163
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> 858.487.6063
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> execdir at sdcbc.org
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