From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug  1 10:53:36 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] "Share the Road" signage during construction constriction
Message-ID: <204555.5886.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

There is no bicycle logo associated with it, but westbound Leucadia Bl. at Hymettus (Leucadia district of City of Encinitas, west of I-5) currently sports a prominent orange "share the road" sign where traffic is pinched to two narrow lanes during traffic circle construction. Because of the 5(?)-percent grade, it's easy to ride westbound at the posted construction zone speed limit of 25mph, but most of us mere mortals have to work hard to exceed half that speed eastbound. I generally avoid the area simply because I can easily and conveniently do so, but the few times I have ridden through, motorists have generally been cooperative and patient. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Serge Issakov <serge at issakov.org>
To: "JonIsaacs at aol.com" <JonIsaacs at aol.com>
Cc: SDCBC at bikesandiego.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:26:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Thoughts: Genesee Bike Lane Closed

I'm pretty sure I saw a "share the road" sign there the other day.




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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Wed Aug  1 12:32:53 2007
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:32:53 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
Message-ID: <001e01c7d459$9fdff160$df9fd420$@org>

If anyone has a bike that Andy can borrow, please let him know.
Kathy

-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Faass [mailto:info at faass-racing.de] 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:42 AM
To: execdir at sdcbc.org
Subject: German visitor

Hello,

my name is Andy, I'm from Germany and I will visit a school in San Diego 
for 4 weeks.

I'm searching for a bicycle to ride a little bit. Can you help me?


Thank you very much


Andy




From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Wed Aug  1 12:35:31 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:35:31 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] Thoughts: Genesee Bike Lane Closed
Message-ID: <c4e.19dbf48e.33e21053@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/31/2007 4:26:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
serge at issakov.org writes:

> Anyway, anything, including a sign, that obviates us from having to
> comply with 21208 is all good as far as I'm concerned.

----

I am happy riding in the bicycle lane.  However if I think that the bicycle 
lane is not the safest place to ride, I don't need a sign or anything to give 
me permission to ride in a normal traffic lane.   

The problem with these signs is that they are unnecessary obsticles placed in 
the middle of an otherwise very rideable and safe bike lane.  They force one 
into the traffic lane for a moment.  With them in place, the best place to 
ride in probably in the traffic lane but without them the bike lane is just fine 
and allows other traffic to flow more freely.

Jon


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From neil0502 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  1 12:36:52 2007
From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:36:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7d459$9fdff160$df9fd420$@org>
Message-ID: <852818.99934.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I looked up "Andreas" in my German dictionary, but it didn't say what size frame he needed ;-)

That might get the ball rolling.

Bis bald,

Neil

--- Kathy Keehan <execdir at sdcbc.org> wrote:

> If anyone has a bike that Andy can borrow, please let him know.
> Kathy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Faass [mailto:info at faass-racing.de] 
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:42 AM
> To: execdir at sdcbc.org
> Subject: German visitor
> 
> Hello,
> 
> my name is Andy, I'm from Germany and I will visit a school in San Diego 
> for 4 weeks.
> 
> I'm searching for a bicycle to ride a little bit. Can you help me?
> 
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Wed Aug  1 12:36:46 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:36:46 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
Message-ID: <ce9.15c475cd.33e2109e@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:34:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
execdir at sdcbc.org writes:

> info at faass-racing.de
> 
It would probably be good to know what size bike Andy is looking for and 
whether a road bike or MTB etc is appropriate.

jon



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From dwhite7 at san.rr.com  Wed Aug  1 22:11:29 2007
From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:11:29 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Pedal to the Park - your vote needed
Message-ID: <9df93e970a26898c052a4a6422038129@san.rr.com>

PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO YOUR NETWORK OF FRIENDS AND RIDE PARTNERS, 
ETC.

Fellow Coalition members and cycling enthusiasts -

Question: What bicycle facilities would you like to see at Petco Park?

Answer A: Current fixed bike racks around the Park for total capacity 
of 22 bikes.  Note - By survey, typical day games this season find 
44-68 bikes parked around the venue.

Answer B: A conveniently located, staffed and secure Bicycle Parking 
Pavilion - as demonstrated during Pedal to the Park (Stage 1) in April 
2007 - providing parking for over 100 cyclists riding tandems and 
singles.

To vote for Answer A - no action required; this is how the Park was 
designed.
To vote for Answer B - Let the Padres know that cyclists prefer and 
support the facilities and services to properly store their bikes while 
attending the game.  Your vote will be counted by registering for Pedal 
to the Park Stage 2 on September 16th.  Start at 
http://pedaltothepark.com and follow the "VOTE WITH OUR BIKES" link.  
When registering, please read about volunteer opportunities associated 
with operating the event and supporting cyclists with disabilities.  
Then, be part of the PTPS2 ride of change at Petco Park!

Pedal to the Park is a fundraiser ride, for benefit partners SD County 
Bicycle Coalition (SDCBC) and City of SD Therapeutic Recreation 
Services (TRS).

Dave White
Founder and Event Director, Pedal to the Park - a little different, a 
lotta fun !
www.pedaltothepark.com
p2park at san.rr.com

PS - When in the downtown area, drop in and visit the new SD County 
Bicycle Coalition office, soon to open at 710 13th Street, Suite 220 - 
just a few blocks north and east of Petco Park.

PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO YOUR NETWORK OF FRIENDS AND RIDE PARTNERS, 
ETC.
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From neil0502 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  2 00:56:13 2007
From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:56:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
In-Reply-To: <817877978@web.de>
Message-ID: <835716.99265.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Andreas.  

If that's a ROAD bike, that's something like 52cm.  That's small.

Are you looking for a MOUNTAIN bike of 20 to 21 inches?

If not, then maybe we should also ask your height (wie Gr??e sind sie?) and your inseam (unseam,
auf Deutsch!).

Neil
My German is entsetzlich

--- Andreas Faa? <AndreasFaass at web.de> wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> yeah, I`m sorry I forgot to tell it to you. I would just take a bike between 20-21 inches.
> 
> 
> Thank you so much
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Neil Brooks <neil0502 at yahoo.com>
> > Gesendet: 01.08.07 18:37:00
> > An: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
> > CC: info at faass-racing.de
> > Betreff: Re: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I looked up "Andreas" in my German dictionary, but it didn't say what size frame he needed ;-)
> > 
> > That might get the ball rolling.
> > 
> > Bis bald,
> > 
> > Neil
> > 
> > --- Kathy Keehan <execdir at sdcbc.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > If anyone has a bike that Andy can borrow, please let him know.
> > > Kathy
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andreas Faass [mailto:info at faass-racing.de] 
> > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:42 AM
> > > To: execdir at sdcbc.org
> > > Subject: German visitor
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > my name is Andy, I'm from Germany and I will visit a school in San Diego 
> > > for 4 weeks.
> > > 
> > > I'm searching for a bicycle to ride a little bit. Can you help me?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Andy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 
> > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as neil0502 at yahoo.com
> > > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to
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From trevorspoke at cox.net  Thu Aug  2 03:14:33 2007
From: trevorspoke at cox.net (Trevor Bourget)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:14:33 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] "Share the Road" signage during construction
 constriction
In-Reply-To: <204555.5886.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <204555.5886.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070802071432.JCOW7349.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

I rode the long route to work today so I could visit the area. There 
is a "construction ahead", "bike lane closed", "alt. route", and 
"share the road" sign (I think in that order). The only thing I would 
like changed is that the bike lane closed sign is after the Regents 
intersection. Since the right lane between Regents and Campus Pt is 
nothing but a long turn lane, I prefer that there be an earlier bike 
lane closed sign and perhaps even restripe to have the bike lane 
between number 2 and 3 lanes. This puts bicyclists in a better 
position to either make the left turn to use the alternate route or 
to merge with through traffic.

Is there a point of contact for making requests concerning the 
project? I'd also like to pass along thanks, especially for use of 
"alt.route" instead of "bike detour".

-- Trevor


From gcarman at san.rr.com  Thu Aug  2 10:30:06 2007
From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:30:06 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] "Share the Road" signage during construction
 constriction
In-Reply-To: <20070802071432.JCOW7349.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02
	.cox.net>
References: <204555.5886.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20070802071432.JCOW7349.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <200708021439.l72Ed9W2007404@ms-smtp-03.socal.rr.com>

Why can't the alternative route simply be the next lane to the 
left?  This is the way motor traffic is typically detoured in similar 
situations.  Plain and simple.

As for the signs on N. Torrey Pines, they could easily be placed in 
the grassy strips between sidewalks and the bike lane...  thus not 
forcing cyclists out to the left just before the somewhat funky turn 
at Genesee and N. Torrey Pines.  Putting a sign in the BL right there 
is like placing a wall right in front of you...  too bad our sign 
placing "friends" don't seem to have any sensitivity as to what they 
are actually doing.

At 12:14 AM 8/2/2007, Trevor Bourget wrote:
>I rode the long route to work today so I could visit the area. There
>is a "construction ahead", "bike lane closed", "alt. route", and
>"share the road" sign (I think in that order). The only thing I would
>like changed is that the bike lane closed sign is after the Regents
>intersection. Since the right lane between Regents and Campus Pt is
>nothing but a long turn lane, I prefer that there be an earlier bike
>lane closed sign and perhaps even restripe to have the bike lane
>between number 2 and 3 lanes. This puts bicyclists in a better
>position to either make the left turn to use the alternate route or
>to merge with through traffic.
>
>Is there a point of contact for making requests concerning the
>project? I'd also like to pass along thanks, especially for use of
>"alt.route" instead of "bike detour".
>
>-- Trevor
>
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From neil0502 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  2 11:31:48 2007
From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:31:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Re:  FW: German visitor
Message-ID: <314079.76829.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


See?  My German IS good ... all THREE words of it ;-)

20 or 21" MTB anybody??  See below.  

180cm is right around 5'10" or 5'11"

Neil

--- Andreas Faa? <AndreasFaass at web.de> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:21:16 +0200
> From: Andreas Faa? <AndreasFaass at web.de>
> To: Neil Brooks <neil0502 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
> 
> Hello,
> 
> yes I think the MTB with 20-21 inche will work best.
> 
> Your German is good, dont worry. But thats the reason why Im here, i will improve my English
> knowledge.
> 
> Im about 1,80meters high.
> 
> 
> Thank you 
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Andy
> 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Neil Brooks <neil0502 at yahoo.com>
> > Gesendet: 02.08.07 06:56:23
> > An: Andreas "Faa?" <AndreasFaass at web.de>
> > CC: SDCBC Mailing List <sdcbc at bikesandiego.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks, Andreas.  
> > 
> > If that's a ROAD bike, that's something like 52cm.  That's small.
> > 
> > Are you looking for a MOUNTAIN bike of 20 to 21 inches?
> > 
> > If not, then maybe we should also ask your height (wie Gr??e sind sie?) and your inseam
> (unseam,
> > auf Deutsch!).
> > 
> > Neil
> > My German is entsetzlich
> > 
> > --- Andreas Faa? <AndreasFaass at web.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > yeah, I`m sorry I forgot to tell it to you. I would just take a bike between 20-21 inches.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you so much
> > > 
> > > Andy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: Neil Brooks <neil0502 at yahoo.com>
> > > > Gesendet: 01.08.07 18:37:00
> > > > An: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
> > > > CC: info at faass-racing.de
> > > > Betreff: Re: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I looked up "Andreas" in my German dictionary, but it didn't say what size frame he needed
> ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > That might get the ball rolling.
> > > > 
> > > > Bis bald,
> > > > 
> > > > Neil
> > > > 
> > > > --- Kathy Keehan <execdir at sdcbc.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > If anyone has a bike that Andy can borrow, please let him know.
> > > > > Kathy
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Andreas Faass [mailto:info at faass-racing.de] 
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:42 AM
> > > > > To: execdir at sdcbc.org
> > > > > Subject: German visitor
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > my name is Andy, I'm from Germany and I will visit a school in San Diego 
> > > > > for 4 weeks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm searching for a bicycle to ride a little bit. Can you help me?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you very much
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Andy
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Thu Aug  2 11:58:18 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:58:18 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] "Share the Road" signage during construction
	constriction
Message-ID: <c66.18e41b11.33e3591a@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/2/2007 12:15:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
trevorspoke at cox.net writes:

> >>>I rode the long route to work today so I could visit the area. There 
> is a "construction ahead", "bike lane closed", "alt. route", and 
> "share the road" sign (I think in that order). The only thing I would 
> like changed is that the bike lane closed sign is after the Regents 
> intersection. Since the right lane between Regents and Campus Pt is 
> nothing but a long turn lane, I prefer that there be an earlier bike 
> lane closed sign and perhaps even restripe to have the bike lane 
> between number 2 and 3 lanes. This puts bicyclists in a better 
> position to either make the left turn to use the alternate route or 
> to merge with through traffic.
--------------------

Hi:

Trevor:

Thanks for going out of your way to make a closer inspection.

This morning I took a closer look... The first sign says road construction 
ahead but does also say BIKE LANE CLOSED AHEAD.

I did see the SHARE THE ROAD sign once past Campus Point Drive.  It is likely 
it was there and I just missed seeing as I normally turn left from NB 
Genesee.  On the other hand, the signs, particularly the ALTERNATE ROUTE signs around 
the camplus seem more appropriately placed so there is a chance I guess that 
someone is listening.

Jon



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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Thu Aug  2 12:41:19 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:41:19 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: German visitor
Message-ID: <c56.18a28cff.33e3632f@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:41:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
AndreasFaass at web.de writes:

> Thanks for your E-Mail.
> 
> 
> I`m searching for a MTB about 19, maybe 21 inches.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Andy
> 
------
Andy:

Another question:

Are you looking for a MTB for MTBing or do you want it as transportation 
around San Diego??

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From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net  Thu Aug  2 22:45:05 2007
From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:45:05 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Watch the Signs during construction constriction
In-Reply-To: <20070802071432.JCOW7349.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20070803024508.LYG7349.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

This posting reminds me...

Last night I pedaled south on Harbor Derive past the location where the
engine went off the truck a week or so ago. The motor vehicle traffic at
this point is reduced from 2 lanes to one but luckily cyclists have, at this
2 to 1 reduction area, the ability to go onto the 'S-curve' created for us
to cross the railroad tracks that are at an acute angle to the direction of
traffic. Anyone who has pedaled through this area knows exactly what this
S-curve looks like.

But, those in charge of placing signs for motor vehicle traffic have placed
2 of them side by side completely blocking the bicycle traffic lane as it
exits the 'S-Curve'. Cyclists have to veer to the left towards the motor
vehicle traffic lane or go to the right towards the fence. While there is an
abundance of space to place these motor vehicle warning signs, someone
placed them exactly in the wrong place.

Careful out there! 

Darryl MacKenzie
DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net
(619) 303-7316 


-----Original Message-----
From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Trevor Bourget
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:15 AM
To: John Eldon; Serge Issakov; JonIsaacs at aol.com
Cc: SDCBC at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] "Share the Road" signage during construction
constriction

I rode the long route to work today so I could visit the area. There 
is a "construction ahead", "bike lane closed", "alt. route", and 
"share the road" sign (I think in that order). The only thing I would 
like changed is that the bike lane closed sign is after the Regents 
intersection. Since the right lane between Regents and Campus Pt is 
nothing but a long turn lane, I prefer that there be an earlier bike 
lane closed sign and perhaps even restripe to have the bike lane 
between number 2 and 3 lanes. This puts bicyclists in a better 
position to either make the left turn to use the alternate route or 
to merge with through traffic.

Is there a point of contact for making requests concerning the 
project? I'd also like to pass along thanks, especially for use of 
"alt.route" instead of "bike detour".

-- Trevor

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From rob_leone at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  4 10:50:20 2007
From: rob_leone at earthlink.net (Robert Leone)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:50:20 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Here's an idea....
Message-ID: <46B4922C.5040802@earthlink.net>

Dear All:
	Hello! I came across this article in the July 3, 2007 issue of the 
Santa Cruz Sentinel (link):
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2007/July/03/local/stories/02local.htm

	If the gendarmes of San Diego, Coronado and Oceanside become more 
vigorous in ticketing veloscofflaws, wouldn't it be nice to have a 
traffic school option for those who really didn't know the rules of the 
road?

Robert Leone


From neil0502 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  4 11:06:59 2007
From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Here's an idea....
In-Reply-To: <46B4922C.5040802@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <238480.61438.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Robert,

Given a couple of uninterrupted months, I'm quite certain that I could make a case AGAINST this.

Or not.

Excerpting, here:

""It's a good, common sense idea," Mathews said. "It gives cyclists a chance to learn more about
what they did wrong""

"Common bike violations

    * Running stop signs and traffic lights.
    * Riding on the wrong side of the street.
    * Riding the wrong way on a one-way street.
    * Riding without a light at night.
    * Not wearing a helmet. [Eh.  Might skip that one ;-)]
    * Not using hand signals for turning or changing lanes."

Too many cyclists (actually, POB's -- "Persons on Bikes") seem to want all of the rights, but with
none of the responsibilities.  I think this sort of measure could be a help in gaining true,
on-the-road acceptance over time...

--- Robert Leone <rob_leone at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Dear All:
> 	Hello! I came across this article in the July 3, 2007 issue of the 
> Santa Cruz Sentinel (link):
> http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2007/July/03/local/stories/02local.htm
> 
> 	If the gendarmes of San Diego, Coronado and Oceanside become more 
> vigorous in ticketing veloscofflaws, wouldn't it be nice to have a 
> traffic school option for those who really didn't know the rules of the 
> road?
> 
> Robert Leone
> 
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From dwhite7 at san.rr.com  Sat Aug  4 18:55:47 2007
From: dwhite7 at san.rr.com (Dave White)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:55:47 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer Tandem Captain Registry
Message-ID: <97f1a4d40ac42b6c2ecdca96f33ea6d4@san.rr.com>

Cycling Friends and Enthusiasts -

As an outgrowth of association with cycling programs for cyclists with 
disabilities over the past 10 years, I am starting an informal registry 
for those who may be interested in participating in future activities 
requiring volunteer captains to team with stokers with various physical 
or developmental disabilities - to share the simple pleasures of a bike 
ride.  The Volunteer Tandem Captain Registry (VTCR) contains minimal 
contact information, is of no obligation, and cyclists can be 
de-registered at any time.

As a member of the VTCR, you may receive occasional emails from me 
announcing cycling opportunities.  Examples are Therapeutic Recreation 
Services monthly tandem rides and Cycling for Sight (3rd annual 3-day 
event this weekend).  Other ad hoc and cross-program rides may sprout 
from this resource, in combination with organizations we have 
connections with.

You do not need to own a tandem nor have tandem experience.  
Opportunities for experienced cyclists to acquire tandem captain 
experience will be available.

If you wish to be listed, click the "Register VTC" button at the bottom 
of http://pedaltothepark.com
The form takes less than a minute to complete.

Dave White


From kevin.reindl at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 08:53:28 2007
From: kevin.reindl at gmail.com (Kevin Reindl)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:53:28 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Recycling Tires and Tubes
Message-ID: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJAOEMGCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>

Hey SDCBC'ers

I know this topic has probably been addressed before, but does anyone have a
place where they recycle their used bike tires and tubes? If not, what do
you all do with them?

Cheers,
Kevin Reindl


From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  6 09:16:17 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:16:17 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Recycling Tires and Tubes
In-Reply-To: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJAOEMGCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HIEGILPMAHCBKKIEJAIFCEJICNAA.j.eldon@sbcglobal.net>

I have just been tossing them in the trash, but I wonder whether an
automobile tire store would be willing to accept them, since they already
have the task of recycling vast quantities of automobile tires. I'll ask
next time I am at Discount Tire.

Thanks for bringing this up,

John E.

-----Original Message-----
From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org
[mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Reindl
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:53 AM
To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: [SDCBC] Recycling Tires and Tubes


Hey SDCBC'ers

I know this topic has probably been addressed before, but does anyone have a
place where they recycle their used bike tires and tubes? If not, what do
you all do with them?

Cheers,
Kevin Reindl


From caroldcarr at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  6 14:35:25 2007
From: caroldcarr at sbcglobal.net (Carol D. Carr)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:35:25 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer Night this Wednesday
Message-ID: <20070806183429.C67672313@uniblab.stickman-computing.org>

Please mark your calendars for Volunteer night, this Wednesday August 8th,
6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive. 

Newsletter folding and gossip! Free light meal and drinks! Don?t miss it!

Carol Carr, Editor


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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  6 22:19:27 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:19:27 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Recycling Tires and Tubes
Message-ID: <HIEGILPMAHCBKKIEJAIFMEKACNAA.j.eldon@sbcglobal.net>

Greetings SDCBCers,

Here is a great tip regarding recycling of tires and tubes. I plan to pop by
my local B&L (Solana Beach) to see if they also accept them -- stay tuned.

Perhaps bicycling in San Diego is about to get greener. :)

John E.

-----Original Message-----


Hi John,

I don't think I'm able to post to the list, but I know that the new B & L
bike store near Sports Arena in San Diego was accepting used tires for
recycling, when I was there about three months ago.  They had a huge barrel
near the front door, to encourage people to bring in their used tires for
recycling.  Maybe you could let the list know.
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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Tue Aug  7 15:20:53 2007
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:20:53 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Midnight Madness
Message-ID: <014e01c7d928$12599b10$370cd130$@org>

Good deal if you are planning on riding the Midnight Madness and would like
to help out. It's a fun event, and who can resist a free t-shirt? Please let
Tiffany know if you can volunteer.

Kathy

 

From: Tiffany Olson [mailto:tiffany at sandiegohostels.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:38 AM
To: execdir at sdcbc.org
Subject: Midnight Madness

 

Hello Kathy,

 

We are still looking for volunteers for Midnight Madness. We still need sag
wagon drivers and vehicles as well as route marshals and clean-up and some
other things at the staging area. All volunteers receive an official
volunteer MM t-shirt, goodie bag, free coffee. Route Marshals have the
option of riding for free as well. Please pass the word on if you know of
anyone that would be interested. Thanks so much!!! 

 

Tiffany Olson

 

Event Coordinator

Hostelling International USA, San Diego Council

739 4th Ave Suite 203 San Diego, CA 92101

tiffany at sandiegohostels.org

Ph: 619-338-9981

Fax: 619-525-1533

www.sandiegohostels.org

www.sandiegomidnightmadness.org

 

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From pje at efgh.com  Tue Aug  7 20:49:08 2007
From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:49:08 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Carmel Valley Creek Bike Path Dry and Open
Message-ID: <46B91304.6030702@efgh.com>

For months, a portion of the Carmel Valley Creek Bike Path
(also known as the CVREP Path) under Carmel County Road has
been closed due to flooding by Carmel Valley Creek.

I rode that path today, and the waters have receded. That part
of the path is now dry and open, and will probably remain so
until the first rains of the fall.

-- Philip Erdelsky


From kevin.reindl at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 00:39:19 2007
From: kevin.reindl at gmail.com (Kevin Reindl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:39:19 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.
Message-ID: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJAEEMNCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>

So I sent emails to 4 of the bike stores in town (Performance Bikes, Bicycle
Warehouse, Trek and B&L Bike and Sports), just to see if any of them
actually recycle tires/tubes. Here is the first response I received...from
B&L.

I, for one am glad to see this...I like to support stores that are good
environmental stewards (besides just turning a profit).

Kevin Reindl,
Ocean Beach

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Rittschof [mailto:srittschof at blbikes.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:55 AM
To: kevin.reindl at gmail.com
Subject: Tire recycling.


Hi Kevin,
Yes, its true.  Take your tires to our San Diego store, 3603 Camino del Rio
West, San Diego, 92110 and put them in the big bin on the floor.  The tires
and tubes are ground up and used in flooring products.  We do this program
in conjunction with Specialized.

Since you're probably a recycling fan, just FYI, our shop is one of the only
ones which recycles scrap metal from bike repairs.  We recycled a few tons
of metal last year.

Keep cycling and recycling,

Scott

Scott Rittschof, Owner

B&L Bike and Sports

211 N Hwy 101

Solana  Beach, CA  92075



www.blbikes.com

scott at blbikes.com



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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug  8 11:17:19 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] tire recycling
Message-ID: <106045.36280.qm@web52510.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello Scott,

Several members of the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition are encouraged and impressed by your company's efforts to recycle tires and tubes, and this is the sort of commitment that many of us consider when choosing a shop. I live in Encinitas, work in Carlsbad, and frequent your Solana Beach store -- may I bring tires there for recycling?

Please advise,

John


John Eldon, D.Env.
Encinitas CA, USA


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From kevin.reindl at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 11:30:43 2007
From: kevin.reindl at gmail.com (Kevin Reindl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:30:43 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Recycling Tires and Tubes
In-Reply-To: <EF2F0D9EE38ACA49BDE19572944B9F6301011488@prfexc4.performance.int>
References: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJACEMKCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>
	<EF2F0D9EE38ACA49BDE19572944B9F6301011488@prfexc4.performance.int>
Message-ID: <d8ceb8de0708080830y1ca5511erfb6f1040c0b7e0ae@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, Performance Bikes does not accept tires/tubes for recycling.
Too bad for us environmentalist cyclers :(
Kevin

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CustomerService <CustomerService at performanceinc.com>
Date: Aug 8, 2007 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: Recycling Tires and Tubes
To: Kevin Reindl <kevin.reindl at gmail.com>

Dear Mr. Reindl,

We currently do not accept used tires for recycling.  We apologize for
the inconvenience.

Regards,
Jennifer
Customer Service

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Reindl [mailto:kevin.reindl at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:19 AM
To: CustomerService
Subject: Recycling Tires and Tubes

Hi, I was wondering if Performance Bikes accepts used tires and tubes
for
recycling? If so, is there a limit on the number someone can bring in?
Where
do you recycle them?

Thanks in advance for your response,
Kevin Reindl
kevin.reindl at gmail.com


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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Wed Aug  8 11:48:15 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:48:15 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] Recycling tires
Message-ID: <d1a.111d5052.33eb3fbf@aol.com>

Hello Jennifer:

I see that apparently Performance Bicycles does not accept bicycle tires for 
recycling.  Over the years I have bought quite a few tires at Performance to 
keep my  ~ 15 bicycles on the road but recently I have become aware of the 
importance of recycling not only the tires but the tubes as well.  

I hope that Performance will begin an effort to recycle bicycle tires so I 
can once again feel comfortable purchasing your tires.

Jon Isaacs

((Dear Mr. Reindl,

We currently do not accept used tires for recycling.??We apologize for 
the inconvenience.

Regards,
Jennifer
Customer Service)))





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From kevin.reindl at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 18:59:14 2007
From: kevin.reindl at gmail.com (Kevin Reindl)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:59:14 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Bike Tire/Tube Recycling
Message-ID: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJAAENDCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>

I thought I would pass this along as well...

Looks like Bicycle Warhouse is starting to recycle tubes, and is willing to
do more...please keep them in mind if you come across ideas for them to
expand their recycling efforts.

Kevin Reindl
Ocean Beach
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Simmons [mailto:Mike at bicyclewarehouse.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:12 AM
To: 'Kevin Reindl'
Subject: RE: Recycling Tires and Tubes


Hi Kevin,



Thanks for your email. We are just starting a recycle program for innertubes
with a company that makes messenger bags out of them. Here are the details:



?         Tubes only (no tires)

?         No limit

?         Mountain tubes ? wider than 35c or 1.25?

?         Un-cut (blowouts and patches are okay)

?         No goo or slime inside of tube.



Hope this helps a bit. We have not found a tire recycler yet. If you run
into one let us know we?d like to do the same for tires and road tubes.



Thanks



Mike Simmons

Bicycle Warehouse





-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Reindl [mailto:kevin.reindl at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:29 AM
To: Info at BicycleWarehouse.com
Subject: Recycling Tires and Tubes



Hi, I was wondering if the Bicycle Warehouse accepts used tires and tubes

for recycling? If so, is there a limit on the number someone can bring in?

Where do you recycle them?



Thanks in advance for your response,

Kevin Reindl

kevin.reindl at gmail.com



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From kevin.reindl at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 09:47:11 2007
From: kevin.reindl at gmail.com (Kevin Reindl)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:47:11 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.
Message-ID: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJAIENGCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>

I stopped by B&L yesterday and unfortunately I found out they only recycle
tires, not tubes...(sigh)...my search continues.

Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Reindl [mailto:kevin.reindl at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:39 PM
To:  Subject: FW: Tire recycling.


So I sent emails to 4 of the bike stores in town (Performance Bikes, Bicycle
Warehouse, Trek and B&L Bike and Sports), just to see if any of them
actually recycle tires/tubes. Here is the first response I received...from
B&L.

I, for one am glad to see this...I like to support stores that are good
environmental stewards (besides just turning a profit).

Kevin Reindl,
Ocean Beach

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Rittschof [mailto:srittschof at blbikes.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:55 AM
To: kevin.reindl at gmail.com
Subject: Tire recycling.


Hi Kevin,
Yes, its true.  Take your tires to our San Diego store, 3603 Camino del Rio
West, San Diego, 92110 and put them in the big bin on the floor.  The tires
and tubes are ground up and used in flooring products.  We do this program
in conjunction with Specialized.

Since you're probably a recycling fan, just FYI, our shop is one of the only
ones which recycles scrap metal from bike repairs.  We recycled a few tons
of metal last year.

Keep cycling and recycling,

Scott

Scott Rittschof, Owner

B&L Bike and Sports

211 N Hwy 101

Solana  Beach, CA  92075



www.blbikes.com

scott at blbikes.com



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From mberry2 at cox.net  Fri Aug 10 10:13:28 2007
From: mberry2 at cox.net (Mike Berry)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:13:28 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.
In-Reply-To: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJAIENGCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>
References: <PCEHJAACEODHMFJDJJJAIENGCDAA.kevin.reindl@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7db58$9f989350$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1>

You gotta think there must be a way for those of us that don't patch tubes
to get them to those that do..

 

How about a barrel at a Bike Shop where folks drop off their punctured tubes
and others grab them for

repair. 

 

 

Mike Berry

Regional Brevet Administrator, San Diego, Ca

www.sandiegocenturyriders.com

"We are all travelers

  In the wilderness of the world

  And the best we can find

  In our travels

  Is an honest friend."

                    Robert Louis Stevenson

 

  _____  

From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of Kevin Reindl
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:47 AM
To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.

 

I stopped by B&L yesterday and unfortunately I found out they only recycle
tires, not tubes...(sigh)...my search continues.

 

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Reindl [mailto:kevin.reindl at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:39 PM
To:  Subject: FW: Tire recycling.

So I sent emails to 4 of the bike stores in town (Performance Bikes, Bicycle
Warehouse, Trek and B&L Bike and Sports), just to see if any of them
actually recycle tires/tubes. Here is the first response I received...from
B&L.

 

I, for one am glad to see this...I like to support stores that are good
environmental stewards (besides just turning a profit). 

 

Kevin Reindl,

Ocean Beach

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Rittschof [mailto:srittschof at blbikes.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:55 AM
To: kevin.reindl at gmail.com
Subject: Tire recycling.

Hi Kevin,

Yes, its true.  Take your tires to our San Diego store, 3603 Camino del Rio
West, San Diego, 92110 and put them in the big bin on the floor.  The tires
and tubes are ground up and used in flooring products.  We do this program
in conjunction with Specialized.

 

Since you're probably a recycling fan, just FYI, our shop is one of the only
ones which recycles scrap metal from bike repairs.  We recycled a few tons
of metal last year.

 

Keep cycling and recycling,

 

Scott

 

Scott Rittschof, Owner

B&L Bike and Sports

211 N Hwy 101 

Solana  Beach, CA  92075

 

www.blbikes.com <http://www.blbikes.com/> 

scott at blbikes.com

 

 

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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri Aug 10 11:41:25 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:41:25 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.
Message-ID: <c8b.123aa9de.33ede125@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/10/2007 7:20:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mberry2 at cox.net writes:

> 
>           You gotta think there must be a way for those of us that don?t 
> patch tubes to get them to those that do..
> 
>   
> 
> How about a barrel at a Bike Shop where folks drop off their punctured tubes 
> and others grab them for
> 
>  repair. 
> 
> 
> -------------
Mike:

I like that idea.  I don't patch tubes any more, I was never much good at 
finding a leak on the road and my eyes and ears aren't quite what they used to be 
so things are only getting worse.

I give mine to a neighbor who patches them for his own use...  Of course he 
is in his 80's so I guess that says something about my skills as a tire 
patcher.  :-)

Jon



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From wblomgren at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 12:47:25 2007
From: wblomgren at gmail.com (Wade Blomgren)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:47:25 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC]  FW: Tire recycling.
In-Reply-To: <c587da240708100946s5198bd8ep99485252d5b832db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8b.123aa9de.33ede125@aol.com>
	<c587da240708100946s5198bd8ep99485252d5b832db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c587da240708100947r4e1afc55ta31391035b2ceaa8@mail.gmail.com>

If the earnabike.org bike kitchen gets going, I speculate patchable
tubes in otherwise good condition would be welcome there...?

I'm bummed to hear that B&L can only take tires...I end up with more
tubes (most with multiple patches that finally fail in some unfixable
way) than tires or so it seems.  Although, the amount of material in
the tires is obviously greater.

On 8/10/07, JonIsaacs at aol.com <JonIsaacs at aol.com> wrote:
>> In a message dated 8/10/2007 7:20:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> mberry2 at cox.net writes:
>>
> > How about a barrel at a Bike Shop where folks drop off their punctured
> tubes and others grab them for repair.
> >
>
>  Mike:
>
>  I like that idea.  I don't patch tubes any more, I was never much good at
> finding a leak on the road and my eyes and ears aren't quite what they used
> to be so things are only getting worse.
>
>  I give mine to a neighbor who patches them for his own use...  Of course he
> is in his 80's so I guess that says something about my skills as a tire
> patcher.  :-)
>
>  Jon

From thomas.treynolds at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 12:53:05 2007
From: thomas.treynolds at gmail.com (Thomas Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:53:05 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.
In-Reply-To: <c587da240708100947r4e1afc55ta31391035b2ceaa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8b.123aa9de.33ede125@aol.com>
	<c587da240708100946s5198bd8ep99485252d5b832db@mail.gmail.com>
	<c587da240708100947r4e1afc55ta31391035b2ceaa8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <998c822f0708100953kf454e88rd29152baff4bcbc0@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not much of a Jobst Brandt fan but his FAQ on patching tubes is good:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/patching.html

(From a guy who hasn't bought a tube in five years and has had exactly
one patch fail in that time).

Tom

On 8/10/07, Wade Blomgren <wblomgren at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the earnabike.org bike kitchen gets going, I speculate patchable
> tubes in otherwise good condition would be welcome there...?
>
> I'm bummed to hear that B&L can only take tires...I end up with more
> tubes (most with multiple patches that finally fail in some unfixable
> way) than tires or so it seems.  Although, the amount of material in
> the tires is obviously greater.
>
> On 8/10/07, JonIsaacs at aol.com <JonIsaacs at aol.com> wrote:
> >> In a message dated 8/10/2007 7:20:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >> mberry2 at cox.net writes:
> >>
> > > How about a barrel at a Bike Shop where folks drop off their punctured
> > tubes and others grab them for repair.
> > >
> >
> >  Mike:
> >
> >  I like that idea.  I don't patch tubes any more, I was never much good at
> > finding a leak on the road and my eyes and ears aren't quite what they used
> > to be so things are only getting worse.
> >
> >  I give mine to a neighbor who patches them for his own use...  Of course he
> > is in his 80's so I guess that says something about my skills as a tire
> > patcher.  :-)
> >
> >  Jon
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From sdmcgale at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 10 18:00:01 2007
From: sdmcgale at yahoo.com (Gale Chan)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] bicycle lights for bike commuting at night
In-Reply-To: <998c822f0708100953kf454e88rd29152baff4bcbc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <461110.8747.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Posting for a coworker who's been bike commuting and will need a light when the days get
shorter.  His commute is from Encinitas to Rancho Bernardo.  You can reply to me or
directly to him at mosibov at cymer.com.  Thanks!

-- Gale

***********************

Gale,

I am planning to buy a good bike light for my commute from work to home.


I am traveling on roads with no street lights, so I do not know how powerful I really
need.

10, 12 or 15W light systems?

LED, Halogen or something else?

I do have some nice hills to go down, so I am looking for some lighting to allow me to
enjoy the down hill rides.

Any suggestions that I should be looking for when go shopping.



Thanks
        Marcus Osibov




       
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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 10 18:59:54 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:59:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.
Message-ID: <608797.9893.qm@web52510.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

As long as the puncture does not occur on or adjacent to a seam (there is a Murphy's Law corollary somewhere in here), I have had pretty good luck with old-fashioned Tip-Top glue-on vulcanizing patches and a brush-can of Monkey Grip glue.

----- Original Message ----
From: "JonIsaacs at aol.com" <JonIsaacs at aol.com>
To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Tire recycling.

In a message dated 8/10/2007 7:20:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mberry2 at cox.net writes:





          You gotta think there must be a way for those of us that don?t patch tubes to get them to those that do..





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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 11 22:56:49 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:56:49 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane -- update
In-Reply-To: <20070729232826.LCLB14885.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <HIEGILPMAHCBKKIEJAIFOEMDCNAA.j.eldon@sbcglobal.net>

When I rode past Yogi's on Coast Highway 101 at about 10:15 this morning,
following a "Tour de Fairbanks" with the Encinitas YMCA's MasterFit bike
club and a visit with relatives in Solana Beach, the white plastic bollards
and their connecting chain were at least 5, perhaps 6, feet east of the #2
lane / bike lane line of demarcation, thereby leaving a full legal-width
unobstructed bike lane. As long as they stay there, I have no objection to
them, but I encourage everyone to be on the watch for plastic bollards
mysteriously drifting into the bike lane.

John E.
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From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net  Sat Aug 11 23:06:34 2007
From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:06:34 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane -- update
In-Reply-To: <HIEGILPMAHCBKKIEJAIFOEMDCNAA.j.eldon@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20070812030627.OJSP7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Shall do.

 

My next trip by there will be a week from tomorrow, Sunday 8/18. 

 

When I first saw these cones, they were within 3 feet of the white line to
the right of the motor vehicle lane.

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Darryl MacKenzie

San Diego Cyclo-Vets Secretary

 <mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net> DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net

(619) 303-7316

o^o  o^o  o^o o^o  o^o  o^o o^o  o^o  o^o

 

  _____  

From: John Eldon [mailto:j.eldon at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:57 PM
To: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net; SDCBC at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Plastic Cones in Bike Lane -- update

 

When I rode past Yogi's on Coast Highway 101 at about 10:15 this morning,
following a "Tour de Fairbanks" with the Encinitas YMCA's MasterFit bike
club and a visit with relatives in Solana Beach, the white plastic bollards
and their connecting chain were at least 5, perhaps 6, feet east of the #2
lane / bike lane line of demarcation, thereby leaving a full legal-width
unobstructed bike lane. As long as they stay there, I have no objection to
them, but I encourage everyone to be on the watch for plastic bollards
mysteriously drifting into the bike lane.

 

John E.



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From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net  Sun Aug 12 12:17:25 2007
From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:17:25 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW:  Plastic Cones in Bike Lane
Message-ID: <20070812161720.ZHTK7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Hi Bill:

 

Not sure why, but your email was directed to my SPAM folder. My apologizes. 

 

These pictures are GREAT! It gives a very vivid image of where the cones
are/were. The first picture is very dramatic!  I have passed them along to
the coalition and John Eldon who has been working on this effort.

 

Thanks, Bill. 

 

Darryl MacKenzie

 <mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net> DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net

(619) 303-7316

o^o  o^o  o^o o^o  o^o  o^o o^o  o^o  o^o

 

  _____  

From: William McHargue [mailto:William at McHargue.Org] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:33 PM
To: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net
Cc: Marilyn Ferrari
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane

 

Darryl,

 

I rode past them today (they are still there) and stopped in to ask to talk
to the manager. The rude bar tender would not give me the time of day much
less the name of whom to ask for should I wish to call back.

 

I got home and called the sheriff and we'll see if they can get them to
remove it. Otherwise I'll call the CHP and file a complaint. I don't think
they are legal given that it is clearly a Class II Bikeway ("Bike Lane").

 

Photos attached.

 

Bill.





From:"Darryl MacKenzie" <DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net>

Date:July 29, 2007 4:28:29 PM PDT

To:<SDCBC at bikesandiego.org>

Subject:[SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane

Reply-To:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net

 

A restaurant (Dinos?) on thePacific Coast Highways Restaurant Row
betweenSolanaBeachand Encinitas has placed 4 white cones in the bike lane.
The restaurant is on the east side of the street, the farthest north
building, in the area across the street from the Chart House and several
other restaurants. This restaurant has placed 4 white plastic cones in the
bike lane about 1 foot to the right of the white line dividing the motor
vehicle lane and the bike lane. These cones are 3-4 feet high, about 4
inches across, have their own base so are not permanently fixed onto the
street and are tied together with rope that is 8-12 feet long.

These cones should not be in the bike lane.

They were observed when northbound about 10AM and again when southbound
several hours later.

If a cyclist hits one of these cones, quite possibly a fall will result
especially since these 4 cones are tied together.

Hopefully a recipient of this SDCBC list can forward this email to someone
who can have the restaurant remove this dangerous obstruction from the bike
lane.

Thanks

Darryl MacKenzie

 <mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net> DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net

(619) 303-7316



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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 12 16:07:50 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:07:50 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] today's update: Plastic Cones in Highway 101 Bike Lane
In-Reply-To: <20070812161720.ZHTK7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <HIEGILPMAHCBKKIEJAIFMEMJCNAA.j.eldon@sbcglobal.net>

Thank you, everyone who has been involved in this effort.

This morning's ride (Sunday, around 7:30 a.m.) past Yogi's, as I worked hard
to catch up with two handcyclists and an above-the-knee amputee (yet another
of the myriad reasons I love this sport -- inspiration!), I noticed that the
first three white bollards had mysteriously shifted a foot or two leftward,
presumably to create a funnel mouth for the convenience of Yogi's motorist
patrons exiting the highway. In my finest vigilante fashion, I stopped and
repositioned the bollards to restore a proper unencumbered width to the bike
lane. We'll see how long my "fix" lasts. :)

John E.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Darryl MacKenzie [mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net]
  Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:17 AM
  To: 'John Eldon'; sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org; San Diego County Bicycle
Coalition
  Subject: FW: [SDCBC] Plastic Cones in Bike Lane


  Hi Bill:



  Not sure why, but your email was directed to my SPAM folder. My
apologizes.



  These pictures are GREAT! It gives a very vivid image of where the cones
are/were. The first picture is very dramatic!  I have passed them along to
the coalition and John Eldon who has been working on this effort.



  Thanks, Bill.



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From sdmcgale at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 13 19:44:20 2007
From: sdmcgale at yahoo.com (Gale Chan)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] "Actuarial inevitability" my #(#$&@ !
In-Reply-To: <cae.156de582.33d04daf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <188302.76626.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Found this lying around in my inbox....I use that bike path to
avoid having to ride the surface streets near Balboa and Mission
Bay Dr.  I see riders of all types (road, comfort, 'bent, mtn)
on it all the time.  Occasionally I see peds but mostly all
cyclists.

-- Gale


--- JonIsaacs at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/18/07 9:43:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> serge at issakov.org writes:
> 
> > Given human nature, it is not reasonable to expect that all humans
> > will always pay attention.
> > Therefore, practically speaking, EVENTUALLY, collisions like this ARE
> > inevitable.
> > 
> > 
> 
> As they say, accidents happen.  But any particular accident need not happen 
> and this one, well, after riding that path, I have to say someone screwed up.  
> There is plenty of room to pass safely, it is actually one of the widest 
> sections of the path.  
> 
> That said, since this is an organization promoting improved conditions for 
> cycling, something ought to be done about the entire path...  
> 
> So I wonder this:  Is that an important path, does it carry a significant 
> portion of the traffic between the Santa Fe Ave bike route and south along 
> Mission Bay as well as to Garnet and Grand?  Do people take it instead of the 
> surface streets?
> 
> Or is it mostly a continuation of the ride along the bay path with it's 8mph 
> speed limit and myrids of pedestrians and runners...
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From JSands at sandiego.gov  Mon Aug  6 18:30:25 2007
From: JSands at sandiego.gov (Julie Sands)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:30:25 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Fw:  Recycling Tires and Tubes
Message-ID: <s6b73ea1.073@sdmail.sannet.gov>

Hi Kevin,
Your email was forwarded to me regarding recycling of bike tires and
tubes.
I do not know of any companies off the top of my head that take those
materials but you might try the following tire companies to see if they
are interested:

EDCO  Waste	(619) 287-7555	Edward Burr - Owner ; (619)
596-5117	Alan Walsh

Gil Franco Tire Co	(760) 942-1934	Gilbert Franco - Owner

Peoples Tire	(619) 231-6201	Reyes Luna - Owner

Reliable Tire Co	(619) 232-0780	Randy Sanks

Rigotar Tire	(619) 723-5439	Ruth Garcia (6029 Fairmount Ave 92120)

Waste Management	(619) 596-5100	Philip Smith - Owner
	(619) 287-5696	John Schnider
	-4204	

Please call me with any questions.
Cheers,
Julie

Julie Sands
City of San Diego, Recycling Specialist
858.627.3303


From tbrooks at qualcomm.com  Wed Aug  8 11:43:57 2007
From: tbrooks at qualcomm.com (Tim Brooks)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:43:57 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Carmel Valley Creek Bike Path Dry and Open
In-Reply-To: <46B91304.6030702@efgh.com>
References: <46B91304.6030702@efgh.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070808084244.06a18880@qualcomm.com>

If we could only get the path connected to Carmel Valley Road.  Does 
anyone know if there is a plan to do so?

Tim

At 05:49 PM 8/7/2007, Philip Erdelsky wrote:
>For months, a portion of the Carmel Valley Creek Bike Path
>(also known as the CVREP Path) under Carmel County Road has
>been closed due to flooding by Carmel Valley Creek.
>
>I rode that path today, and the waters have receded. That part
>of the path is now dry and open, and will probably remain so
>until the first rains of the fall.
>
>-- Philip Erdelsky
>
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From jhotchkiss at cox.net  Tue Aug 14 00:02:22 2007
From: jhotchkiss at cox.net (James Hotchkiss)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:02:22 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Cycling Etiquette
Message-ID: <000201c7de27$eab88300$6501a8c0@JIMSDELL>

I got into a yelling match with a motorist on my way home (on my bike) this
afternoon.
I feel bad because I know that the motorist went home with a sour experience
with a cyclist.  I also question as to whether I was in the right.
Going west on Fletcher Parkway, coming out of El Cajon, the (3 lane) road
forks.  2 lanes go to the left and remain Fletcher Parkway, 2 lanes go to
the right and become Navajo Road.  The center lane splits.  I need to follow
the road to the left (Fletcher Parkway).  As a cyclist I position myself in
the middle of the center lane, forcing cars that are going to go to the
right of the fork to take the lane to my right, and forcing the cars that
are going to go to the left of the fork to take the lane to my left.  Once
past the fork, I move over to the right side of the road.
This motorist came up behind me and leaned on her horn.  I caught her at a
traffic light and she was furious with me.  She told me that she almost hit
me and had to take evasive action to get around me.  (When I had moved in to
occupy the center lane, there was no one within 200 yards of me).
I told her that I needed to establish myself in the center lane to let
motorists know my intentions.  She felt that I was cycling recklessly.  I
think she thought I should have stayed to the extreme right and moved over
only at the last minute. 
Was I following proper bicycle/automobile etiquette?
Is there a quick response that I could have given this motorist to get her
to see my predicament and maybe come out of the exchange with compassion for
what it is like to commute on a bicycle?

Thanks,

JimH

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From hollenbeck2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 14 00:34:12 2007
From: hollenbeck2001 at yahoo.com (Eric Hollenbeck)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Cycling Etiquette
In-Reply-To: <000201c7de27$eab88300$6501a8c0@JIMSDELL>
Message-ID: <837606.3238.qm@web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When you turned and looked at the motorist in
question, was she looking at you before you merged?

If she wasn't looking, you were in the right.
If she was looking, you were in the right.

If you didn't look, your guilty of startling a
distracted motorist, and lucky to be alive.

Eric

--- James Hotchkiss <jhotchkiss at cox.net> wrote:

> I got into a yelling match with a motorist on my way
> home (on my bike) this
> afternoon.
> I feel bad because I know that the motorist went
> home with a sour experience
> with a cyclist.  I also question as to whether I was
> in the right.
> Going west on Fletcher Parkway, coming out of El
> Cajon, the (3 lane) road
> forks.  2 lanes go to the left and remain Fletcher
> Parkway, 2 lanes go to
> the right and become Navajo Road.  The center lane
> splits.  I need to follow
> the road to the left (Fletcher Parkway).  As a
> cyclist I position myself in
> the middle of the center lane, forcing cars that are
> going to go to the
> right of the fork to take the lane to my right, and
> forcing the cars that
> are going to go to the left of the fork to take the
> lane to my left.  Once
> past the fork, I move over to the right side of the
> road.
> This motorist came up behind me and leaned on her
> horn.  I caught her at a
> traffic light and she was furious with me.  She told
> me that she almost hit
> me and had to take evasive action to get around me. 
> (When I had moved in to
> occupy the center lane, there was no one within 200
> yards of me).
> I told her that I needed to establish myself in the
> center lane to let
> motorists know my intentions.  She felt that I was
> cycling recklessly.  I
> think she thought I should have stayed to the
> extreme right and moved over
> only at the last minute. 
> Was I following proper bicycle/automobile etiquette?
> Is there a quick response that I could have given
> this motorist to get her
> to see my predicament and maybe come out of the
> exchange with compassion for
> what it is like to commute on a bicycle?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> JimH
> 
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From serge at issakov.org  Tue Aug 14 02:20:31 2007
From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:20:31 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Cycling Etiquette
In-Reply-To: <000201c7de27$eab88300$6501a8c0@JIMSDELL>
References: <000201c7de27$eab88300$6501a8c0@JIMSDELL>
Message-ID: <69ec985b0708132320y75d2e148x15f17b218ba6cf86@mail.gmail.com>

James,

Drivers of slow moving vehicles present challenges and even hazards to
drivers, particularly bad drivers.  Drivers of particularly slow
vehicles (i.e., bicycles), even more so...  Because we are relatively
rare, drivers, particularly bad drivers, are that much less prepared
to deal with us properly.

On behalf of all cyclists in San Diego, thank you for riding the way
that you do, probably making dozens if not hundreds of motorists every
day  who encounter you that much better prepared for encountering
cyclists (and drivers of other types of slow moving vehicles) on other
occasions.  How many more will she have to encounter before she
realizes it's the norm?  Perhaps only one, maybe a half dozen, but the
key is that it's not very many.  The sooner she encounters more of us
riding properly, the sooner she will recognize proper cycling behavior
as proper.

You did good today, even though it may not feel that way.  Don't get
hung up on the one motorist who honked and got upset.  Remember the
dozens and hundreds that did not not.

If there is one thing you could have done differently it may be this.
When in a situation like that, it's good to monitor to the rear (a
mirror is a great help for this), and watch how motorists approaching
from behind are behaving.  With surprisingly little practice, you can
learn to read them pretty well, and know whether they have noticed you
sufficiently early or not, and, if not, to take appropriate
precautions.  My favorite attention-getters  include: standing up,
moving left, zig-zagging, or issuing the slow/stop left-arm signal all
of which help convey: "I see you're coming,  I know what I'm doing ,
and, for now, I'm not moving out of your way".

I hope this helps.

Serge


On 8/13/07, James Hotchkiss <jhotchkiss at cox.net> wrote:
> I got into a yelling match with a motorist on my way home (on my bike) this
> afternoon.
> I feel bad because I know that the motorist went home with a sour experience
> with a cyclist.  I also question as to whether I was in the right.
> Going west on Fletcher Parkway, coming out of El Cajon, the (3 lane) road
> forks.  2 lanes go to the left and remain Fletcher Parkway, 2 lanes go to
> the right and become Navajo Road.  The center lane splits.  I need to follow
> the road to the left (Fletcher Parkway).  As a cyclist I position myself in
> the middle of the center lane, forcing cars that are going to go to the
> right of the fork to take the lane to my right, and forcing the cars that
> are going to go to the left of the fork to take the lane to my left.  Once
> past the fork, I move over to the right side of the road.
> This motorist came up behind me and leaned on her horn.  I caught her at a
> traffic light and she was furious with me.  She told me that she almost hit
> me and had to take evasive action to get around me.  (When I had moved in to
> occupy the center lane, there was no one within 200 yards of me).
> I told her that I needed to establish myself in the center lane to let
> motorists know my intentions.  She felt that I was cycling recklessly.  I
> think she thought I should have stayed to the extreme right and moved over
> only at the last minute.
> Was I following proper bicycle/automobile etiquette?
> Is there a quick response that I could have given this motorist to get her
> to see my predicament and maybe come out of the exchange with compassion for
> what it is like to commute on a bicycle?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JimH
>
>
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From neil0502 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 14 11:21:20 2007
From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Cycling Etiquette
In-Reply-To: <000201c7de27$eab88300$6501a8c0@JIMSDELL>
Message-ID: <221253.14720.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


IMHO, you did the right thing.  I would have done just as you did (sadly, the yelling match most
likely included).  

My favorite example of this is riding westbound, on North Harbor Drive (from the Star of India,
say) and approaching the airport.

There, you have a very similar traffic situation WITH the added bonus that everybody's a tourist
(or a cab driver), and is late for their plane.  

I execute that area in the manner that you describe.  Sometimes, it's STILL far from perfect,
resulting in an angry motorist.

Educating them, face-to-face, is tough.  Doing what's right will eventually be pattern for them to
learn from, and is far more likely to keep us alive.

Glad it worked out (relatively) okay.

--- James Hotchkiss <jhotchkiss at cox.net> wrote:

> I got into a yelling match with a motorist on my way home (on my bike) this
> afternoon.
> I feel bad because I know that the motorist went home with a sour experience
> with a cyclist.  I also question as to whether I was in the right.
> Going west on Fletcher Parkway, coming out of El Cajon, the (3 lane) road
> forks.  2 lanes go to the left and remain Fletcher Parkway, 2 lanes go to
> the right and become Navajo Road.  The center lane splits.  I need to follow
> the road to the left (Fletcher Parkway).  As a cyclist I position myself in
> the middle of the center lane, forcing cars that are going to go to the
> right of the fork to take the lane to my right, and forcing the cars that
> are going to go to the left of the fork to take the lane to my left.  Once
> past the fork, I move over to the right side of the road.
> This motorist came up behind me and leaned on her horn.  I caught her at a
> traffic light and she was furious with me.  She told me that she almost hit
> me and had to take evasive action to get around me.  (When I had moved in to
> occupy the center lane, there was no one within 200 yards of me).
> I told her that I needed to establish myself in the center lane to let
> motorists know my intentions.  She felt that I was cycling recklessly.  I
> think she thought I should have stayed to the extreme right and moved over
> only at the last minute. 
> Was I following proper bicycle/automobile etiquette?
> Is there a quick response that I could have given this motorist to get her
> to see my predicament and maybe come out of the exchange with compassion for
> what it is like to commute on a bicycle?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> JimH
> 
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From forester at johnforester.com  Tue Aug 14 15:54:28 2007
From: forester at johnforester.com (John Forester)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:54:28 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Cycling Etiquette
In-Reply-To: <000201c7de27$eab88300$6501a8c0@JIMSDELL>
References: <000201c7de27$eab88300$6501a8c0@JIMSDELL>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070814124526.02e0a170@johnforester.com>

You occupied the correct position. Based on your statement that at 
the time you made your lateral move, no other traffic was within 200 
yards of you, you moved at an appropriate time. You are required to 
yield to traffic approaching so close as to constitute a danger, and 
in city traffic 200 yards is not that close.

The motorist's reaction is only too typical of the American 
superstition about cycling. She was brought up to believe that the 
only safe and correct place for a cyclist is close to the right-hand 
edge of the roadway, or off it entirely if possible. She had to take 
evasive action? Not unless you are incorrect about the 200 yards. 
What she meant was that she had to either slow down or move laterally 
to overtake you. Well, that's what sometimes happens in traffic. I 
think that the appropriate comment to such a motorist, if he or she 
offers that argument, is that the law requires drivers to pay 
attention to traffic in front of them and if she thinks that she was 
in danger of colliding with you, that's clear evidence that she was 
driving unlawfully and dangerously.

I keep repeating, ad infinitum, that the typical American's view of 
cycling is all occluded by the cyclist-inferiority superstition, 
which is the main source of our troubles and needs to be corrected. 
But so many bicycle activists relish their position of inferiority 
that it is difficult to get such a correction moving.





At 09:02 PM 8/13/2007, James Hotchkiss wrote:
>I got into a yelling match with a motorist on my way home (on my bike) this
>afternoon.
>I feel bad because I know that the motorist went home with a sour experience
>with a cyclist.  I also question as to whether I was in the right.
>Going west on Fletcher Parkway, coming out of El Cajon, the (3 lane) road
>forks.  2 lanes go to the left and remain Fletcher Parkway, 2 lanes go to
>the right and become Navajo Road.  The center lane splits.  I need to follow
>the road to the left (Fletcher Parkway).  As a cyclist I position myself in
>the middle of the center lane, forcing cars that are going to go to the
>right of the fork to take the lane to my right, and forcing the cars that
>are going to go to the left of the fork to take the lane to my left.  Once
>past the fork, I move over to the right side of the road.
>This motorist came up behind me and leaned on her horn.  I caught her at a
>traffic light and she was furious with me.  She told me that she almost hit
>me and had to take evasive action to get around me.  (When I had moved in to
>occupy the center lane, there was no one within 200 yards of me).
>I told her that I needed to establish myself in the center lane to let
>motorists know my intentions.  She felt that I was cycling recklessly.  I
>think she thought I should have stayed to the extreme right and moved over
>only at the last minute.
>Was I following proper bicycle/automobile etiquette?
>Is there a quick response that I could have given this motorist to get her
>to see my predicament and maybe come out of the exchange with compassion for
>what it is like to commute on a bicycle?
>
>Thanks,
>
>JimH
>
>
>
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From execdir at sdcbc.org  Tue Aug 14 22:08:47 2007
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:08:47 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: please circulate notice - City Heights Mobility Forum
Message-ID: <008f01c7dee1$375eb530$a61c1f90$@org>

From: J. W. Stump [mailto:jwstump at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:19 PM
To: coastkeeper1 at earthlink.net; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org;
sdcbc-request at bikesandiego.org
Cc: jpowell at cityheightscdc.org
Subject: Fw: SR 15 FORUM WEDNESDAY AUGUST 29
Importance: High

 

This forum will be a community policy setter for the 15 Freeway, mass
transit, Taxi cabs and bicycles.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Jay Powell <mailto:jpowell at cityheightscdc.org>  

To: 'Bliesner, <mailto:Jim.Bliesner at sdcounty.ca.gov>  Jim' ; 'Jim
<mailto:jdbarte at sbcglobal.net>  Bliesner' ; 'Joan FitzSimons'
<mailto:joanfitz at nethere.com>  ; 'Carol <mailto:carolhartman1 at cox.net>
Hartman' ; adaniels at ucsd.edu ; 'J. W. Stump' <mailto:jwstump at cox.net>  ;
'Barry J. Schultz' <mailto:schultz at capitalcollaborative.com>  

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:14 PM

Subject: SR 15 FORUM WEDNESDAY AUGUST 29

 

CHCDC Legacy Council and Presidents Club Members:    This is an extremely
important meeting to gather support for completion of the mitigations you
all fought for in the last century.    We had a very positive strategy
session on July 14 with a number of community and organization
representatives on Mid City Mobility matters. This is the first and foremost
issue we need to address.    -  Jay Powell

 

PLEASE SEE ATTACHED FLYER,  MARK YOU CALENDARS AND PLEASE BRING YOUR FAMILY,
FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND YOUR FAVORITE ELECTED OFFICIAL.  

AND PLEASE  FORWARD THIS EMAIL ON TO OTHERS.  ( NOTE THE DATE HAS CHANGED
AND IS NOW FIRMLY SET for Weds, August 29 ! )    

 

 

"ROAD to PROSPERITY, or just another freeway ? "

A Public Forum: Making the SR-15 Freeway WORK for Mid City

 

PLEASE JOIN RESIDENTS AND ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TOGETHER TO PROMOTE MID-CITY
MOBILITY AT A PUBLIC FORUM ON 

 

WEDNESDAY,  AUGUST 29, 2007 ,   6PM TO 8 PM 

METRO CENTER AUDITORIUM,   3910 UNIVERSITY AVE 

(DIRECTLY WEST OF THE CITY HEIGHTS TRANSIT PLAZA)

 

WHAT IS THE  STATUS OF COMMUNITY-BENEFITING IMPROVEMENTS and MITIGATION
MEASURES  REQUIRED AS CONDITIONS OF CONSTRUCTING THE  SR-15 MID-CITY
FREEWAY-- INCLUDING THE PROPOSED CENTERLINE RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM ?

 

MANY WONDERFUL ELEMENTS WERE INCLUDED IN THE FREEWAY BUT THERE ARE STILL
IMPORTANT ELEMENTS  NOT YET COMPLETED.:  

 

-  PROTECT KIDS AT CENTRAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND TERALTA PARK FROM AIR
POLLUTION

-  DIVERT TRUCK TRAFFIC 

-  PROVIDE  NORTH - SOUTH RAPID TRANSIT SERVICE FROM MEDIAN STATIONS

-  DEVELOP TRANSIT PLAZAS AT OVERCROSSINGS TO PROMOTE REDEVELOPMENT

-  PROVIDE BICYCLE PATH FROM MID-CITY TO MISSION VALLEY 

 

PLEASE ATTEND, BRING YOUR NEIGHBORS AND HEAR ABOUT THE STATUS OF THESE
MITIGATIONS,  WHAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED AND WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT GETTING
THESE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUES ADDRESSED.    

 

PRESENTATIONS ON HEALTH EFFECTS OF GOODS MOVEMENT (INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC),
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCEDURES,   CENTERLINE RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM AND
STATIONS,   TRANSIT ORIENTED REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS,  MAKING THE PLAZAS
WORK.. 

 

  _____




From execdir at sdcbc.org  Tue Aug 14 22:11:27 2007
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:11:27 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Interesting craigslist post..
Message-ID: <009001c7dee1$963ff410$c2bfdc30$@org>

In case you have the need for 100 mountain bikes! I'm wishing we could get
them, and maybe sell them at the velodrome or as part of the bike kitchen,
but storage would definitely be a problem.
Kathy

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Waits [mailto:steve at waits.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:17 PM
To: execdir at sdcbc.org
Subject: Interesting craigslist post..

Hi Kathy,

If this is legit, it's something I suspect you might be interested in - 
I seem to remember some program to get bikes to kids or otherwise 
non-cyclists.

If you're not interested, I'm betting you know somebody who is!

   http://sandiego.craigslist.org/bik/397016352.html

--Steve





From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Tue Aug 14 22:41:55 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:41:55 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Interesting craigslist post..
Message-ID: <c8f.1645ad09.33f3c1f3@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/14/07 7:16:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
execdir at sdcbc.org writes:

> In case you have the need for 100 mountain bikes! I'm wishing we could get
> them, and maybe sell them at the velodrome or as part of the bike kitchen,
> but storage would definitely be a problem.
> Kathy
> 
> 
------
>From the post:

""%75 of them have very good looking tires. 150 tires x $3 each is $450. a 
bunch of seats, quick releases, tubes, brakes and stuff like that, all adding up 
to way over $2000. 

We bought these bikes intending on making money, but we no longer have the 
time or space to work on these. 

These bikes are moslty huffys and magnas, but there are a couple diamond 
backs, giants, treks, and 2 specialized in the pile.""
=======

 Not to spoil anyones party but...

I have been a garage sale bike junky for about 20 years and now keep a close 
eye on Craigslist.  This doesn't look like a bargin to me...  Looks like 
someone's pile of junk.

My theory on used bikes, start with something that was decent to start with, 
Huffys and Magnas, even if they are new, just are not up to riding every day 
and many, particularly the older ones with the stamped steel brakes are not 
suitable for riding in traffic...  Over the years I have given away and sold many 
bikes but I would never give one to someone that I wouldn't be willing to 
ride on a daily basis.  

I don't think it snobbish or elitist to want every bicycle rider to have 
brakes capable of stopping on a steep hill or in the rain...  Four or five years 
ago I was riding home and came upon someone with a Roadmaster pushing it down 
one of the hills on Genesee.   I asked him if he needed help and he said no, it 
was just that the brakes were ineffective and did not feel he could stop so 
he was walking his bike.  Turned out he was an exchange student, I asked him to 
follow me home and set him up with a real bike with brakes that worked and 
that actually fit him.  A few months later when he returned it, done with his 
studies.

That's my two cents and I'm sticking to it...

Jon



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From neil0502 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 16 10:36:53 2007
From: neil0502 at yahoo.com (Neil Brooks)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC]   2 bicyclists injured, 1 seriously
Message-ID: <459396.42476.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

from the U-T:

August 16, 2007

SAN DIEGO ? A bicyclist suffered major head injuries yesterday when he collided with a friend who
stopped ahead of him with a flat tire in Torrey Pines, San Diego police said.

The two men were turning from North Torrey Pines Road onto eastbound Genesee Avenue about 11:40
a.m. when the first rider had a blowout. The rider behind him couldn't stop fast enough and hit
the bike ahead of him.

Both riders, who were not wearing helmets, hit the pavement. The first cyclist, 43, suffered bumps
and bruises while the second man, 54, was hospitalized with severe head trauma, police said.

From execdir at sdcbc.org  Thu Aug 16 13:34:11 2007
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:34:11 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Board meeting Wednesday, August 22
Message-ID: <009f01c7e02b$a98f8800$fcae9800$@org>

 

Hello all - Don't forget our next board meeting will be Wednesday, August
22, 7:00 to 8:30 p.m. at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive,
San Diego. If you have agenda items to be considered, please send them to me
or Brian Parent (bparent at ucsd.edu). 

See you Wednesday!

Kathy

------------------------------------------

Kathy Keehan

Executive Director

San Diego County Bicycle Coalition

P.O. Box 34544

San Diego, CA 92163

858.487.6063

execdir at sdcbc.org

www.sdcbc.org

 

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From tlettington at san.rr.com  Thu Aug 16 21:55:09 2007
From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:55:09 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?
Message-ID: <200708170155.l7H1t0YO012159@ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com>

Tonight on Channel 10 News, a man was interviewed who is the first to 
own a new all-electric scooter (read as motorcycle) that is freeway 
legal and can reach a top speed of 60 mph.  He claims in the 
interview that he is legally allowed to operate his vehicle Bike Lanes.

Could this possibly be true?  The implications are astounding!!

More research is required.

     - Tom



From wondernerd at juno.com  Fri Aug 17 01:20:21 2007
From: wondernerd at juno.com (Frank  Paiano)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:20:21 GMT
Subject: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?
Message-ID: <20070816.222021.17570.0@webmail43.lax.untd.com>

My understanding is that the bike lanes were designed to handle top speeds of 25 mph.  Given this, whether or not it is legal for him to be using the bike lane should not be the pertinent question.  The important question is, "Whatever vehicle you are operating, how intelligent is it to be traveling at 60 mph in a bike lane designed for 25 mph?" 

P.S. I seriously doubt that it is legal to operate it in the bike lane but we'll let some scholarly attorney-type person do the digging into the vehicle code.

frank paiano
ocean beach

-- Tom Lettington <tlettington at san.rr.com> wrote:
Tonight on Channel 10 News, a man was interviewed who is the first to 
own a new all-electric scooter (read as motorcycle) that is freeway 
legal and can reach a top speed of 60 mph.  He claims in the 
interview that he is legally allowed to operate his vehicle Bike Lanes.

Could this possibly be true?  The implications are astounding!!

More research is required.

     - Tom


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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri Aug 17 08:48:50 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:48:50 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?
Message-ID: <bbc.1cfe8548.33f6f332@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/16/07 6:55:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
tlettington at san.rr.com writes:

> Tonight on Channel 10 News, a man was interviewed who is the first to 
> own a new all-electric scooter (read as motorcycle) that is freeway 
> legal and can reach a top speed of 60 mph.  He claims in the 
> interview that he is legally allowed to operate his vehicle Bike Lanes.
> 
> Could this possibly be true?  The implications are astounding!!
> 
> More research is required.
> 
>    - Tom
------

Definitely not true:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21209.htm

"21209.??(a)  No person shall drive a motor vehicle in a bicycle lane         
                  established on a roadway pursuant to Section 21207 except 
as follows:  
    (1) To park where parking is permitted.     
    (2) To enter or leave the roadway.  
    (3) To prepare for a turn within a  distance of 200 feet from the 
intersection.                                      

        ( b) This section does not prohibit the use of a motorized bicycle in 
a bicycle lane, pursuant to Section 21207.5, at a speed no greater than is 
reasonable                           or prudent, having due regard for 
visibility, traffic conditions, and the condition of the roadway surface of the bicycle 
lane, and in a manner which does not                           endanger the 
safety of bicyclists. "

This is the definition of a motorized bicycle:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc406.htm

"b) A "motorized bicycle" is also a  device that has fully operative pedals 
for propulsion by human power and has an electric motor that meets              
             all of the following requirements: 

 (1) Has a power output of not more than 1,000 watts.                         

 (2) Is incapable of propelling the device at a speed of more than 20 miles 
per hour on                           ground level.                        
 3) Is incapable of further increasing the speed of the device when human 
power is used to propel the motorized bicycle faster than 20 miles per hour."

-----

Clearly a vehicle capable of 60mph is not a motorized bicycle and therefore 
it is illegal to operate in the bike lanes. 

It appears that mopeds and other underpowered two wheeled vehicles are not 
permitted in the bike lane, only motorized bicycles, at least that is what the 
DMV is saying.  I was under the impression that they were legal.

Jon














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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri Aug 17 09:07:28 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:07:28 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?
Message-ID: <cb4.18c82b9a.33f6f790@aol.com>

Also:

I did send a copy of the DMV links to channel 10.   Anyone else wishing to 
contact them:

http://www.10news.com/kgtv/178407/detail.html

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From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net  Fri Aug 17 10:34:54 2007
From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:34:54 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?
In-Reply-To: <bbc.1cfe8548.33f6f332@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070817143439.YOZK13267.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Also see front page (A1) of this morning's UT.  

 

Darryl MacKenzie

 <mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net> DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net

(619) 303-7316 

 

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From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of JonIsaacs at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:49 AM
To: tlettington at san.rr.com; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Subject: Re: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?

 

In a message dated 8/16/07 6:55:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tlettington at san.rr.com writes:




Tonight on Channel 10 News, a man was interviewed who is the first to 
own a new all-electric scooter (read as motorcycle) that is freeway 
legal and can reach a top speed of 60 mph.  He claims in the 
interview that he is legally allowed to operate his vehicle Bike Lanes.

Could this possibly be true?  The implications are astounding!!

More research is required.

   - Tom


------

Definitely not true:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21209.htm

"21209.  (a)  No person shall drive a motor vehicle in a bicycle lane
established on a roadway pursuant to Section 21207 except as follows:  
    (1) To park where parking is permitted.     
    (2) To enter or leave the roadway.  
    (3) To prepare for a turn within a  distance of 200 feet from the
intersection.                                      

        ( b) This section does not prohibit the use of a motorized bicycle
in a bicycle lane, pursuant to Section 21207.5, at a speed no greater than
is reasonable                           or prudent, having due regard for
visibility, traffic conditions, and the condition of the roadway surface of
the bicycle lane, and in a manner which does not
endanger the safety of bicyclists. "

This is the definition of a motorized bicycle:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc406.htm

"b) A "motorized bicycle" is also a  device that has fully operative pedals
for propulsion by human power and has an electric motor that meets
all of the following requirements: 

(1) Has a power output of not more than 1,000 watts.

(2) Is incapable of propelling the device at a speed of more than 20 miles
per hour on                           ground level.                        
3) Is incapable of further increasing the speed of the device when human
power is used to propel the motorized bicycle faster than 20 miles per
hour."

-----

Clearly a vehicle capable of 60mph is not a motorized bicycle and therefore
it is illegal to operate in the bike lanes. 

It appears that mopeds and other underpowered two wheeled vehicles are not
permitted in the bike lane, only motorized bicycles, at least that is what
the DMV is saying.  I was under the impression that they were legal.

Jon














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From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri Aug 17 11:04:58 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:04:58 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?
Message-ID: <cc4.18838dfc.33f7131a@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/17/2007 7:41:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net writes:

> Also see front page (A1) of this morning?s UT.  
> 
>  
> 
> Darryl MacKenzie
> 
>  DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net
> 
>  (619) 303-7316 
> 
> 
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Darryl et. al:

I did see that, I looked rather carefully but saw no mention of using the 
scooter in the Bike Lanes.   

I am wondering if the Scooter Owner wanted to say that he could operate it in 
the HOV lanes and that either he mispoke or that it was misunderstood 
somewhere along the line...

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From serge at issakov.org  Fri Aug 17 11:21:01 2007
From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:21:01 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Reasonable max speeds in a bike lane?
Message-ID: <69ec985b0708170821n223e45aaw203b0343fe3e9cdc@mail.gmail.com>

WAS: Re: [SDCBC] 60mph in the Bike Lane?

On 8/16/07, Frank  Paiano <wondernerd at juno.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that the bike lanes were designed to handle top speeds of 25 mph.

Are you sure?  A 2' wide cyclist must have his tire track 1' to the
right of a bike lane stripe to be fully within a bike lane.  In a
standard 4' wide bike lane, that means his right side is about 2' from
the curb/edge/parking lane to his right.

I wouldn't feel safe riding a motorcycle at 25 mph 2' from the edge of
the road.  Generally, I consider about 15 mph to be the max
safe/reasonable speed in a bike lane.  There are exceptions where wide
(5') bike lanes run along long stretches of intersectionless roadway
(e.g., Kearney Villa Rd, or any freeway shoulder), but they're pretty
rare in urban/suburban San Diego.

I cringe whenever I see guys bombing down from the Del Mar bluffs on
northbound El Camino Real towards Via de la Valle at 30-40+ mph in the
bike lane.  What a great way to be overlooked and hit from someone
turning on or off El Camino Real.  Not that being in the traffic lane
guarantees conspicuity (ask any motorcyclist - it doesn't), but it
does make you more conspicuous and gives you more evasion options
earlier.

Serge

From JonIsaacs at aol.com  Fri Aug 17 12:36:20 2007
From: JonIsaacs at aol.com (JonIsaacs at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:36:20 EDT
Subject: [SDCBC] Reasonable max speeds in a bike lane?
Message-ID: <cb2.1803ddf4.33f72884@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/17/2007 8:22:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
serge at issakov.org writes:

> Are you sure?  A 2' wide cyclist must have his tire track 1' to the
> right of a bike lane stripe to be fully within a bike lane.  In a
> standard 4' wide bike lane, that means his right side is about 2' from
> the curb/edge/parking lane to his right.

Here is a different take:

Most cyclists fit nicely inside 44cm wide bars.  44cm is only about 17 
inches,  If you assume that the cyclist is 1.5 feet wide and are riding with their 
left shoulder near the line, that leaves 3.25feet  from the TIRE to the edge of 
the road.  

Certainly that is plenty for someone who is carefully riding at 25mph or 
more, paying attention to what is ahead, etc.

I find it ironic that you would find having two feet to your right a concern 
when in the past you have stated that you are comfortable riding in a close 
pace line which means you are following someone more closely than 2 feet.  At 
25mph in a paceline 2 feet is about 1/20th of a second, well beyond the reaction 
time of even the fast human, so one is a sitting duck.

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From tlettington at san.rr.com  Fri Aug 17 13:00:39 2007
From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:00:39 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] 60 MPH Electric Scooter in the Bike Lane?
Message-ID: <200708171700.l7HH0RBJ011006@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com>

http://www.10news.com/video/13912449/index.html  is the link required 
to replay the Channel 10 News interview with the electric scooter 
owner where he stated is was legal to ride his scooter in the bike lane.

    - Tom



From execdir at sdcbc.org  Fri Aug 17 13:01:15 2007
From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:01:15 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's
	comments on PBS
Message-ID: <00be01c7e0f0$3a16e3e0$ae44aba0$@org>

If you heard the interview with DOT Secretary Peters, you know that she
thinks bicycle infrastructure is a waste of money. Links below if you would
like to send her an email about her misguided ways. :-)

Thanks to the League of American Bicyclists for their excellent response
letter and getting the word out!

Kathy

 

From: Walter Finch [mailto:walter at bikeleague.org] 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:50 PM
To: Kathleen Keehan
Subject: League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's comments on PBS

 


	
Take Action Now 

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League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's comments on PBS 

		
	

Transportation Secretary Mary Peters talks about infrastructure problems and
travel initiatives.

 <http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/OHFCHNJYBL/1358931826> 

More <http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/OHFCHNJYBL/1358931826>  Info


Peters cited "bicycle paths" as a prime example of the waste


 


Last night on the PBS NewsHour with Jim Leher, DOT Secretary Mary Peters was
interviewed by Gwen Ifill.  

Peters, when asked about a possible gas tax increase, repeated President
Bush's response - No, there can be no tax increase because Congress is
wasting the money they already get.  Peters cited "bicycle paths" as a prime
example of the waste because bicycles are not a transportation use of the
gas tax money.  

It is disappointing that the administration is attacking Jim Oberstar for
his efforts to get the Minneapolis bridge repaired along with raising all
the funding for transportation maintenance, by using Oberstar's support for
bicycles as a weapon.

The League of American Bicyclists feels strongly that this should not go
without a response and we have sent a letter to Secretary Peters voicing our
view. Click <http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/DFNIHNJYBM/1358931826>
here to view our response.   

For those of you who feel strongly about bicycling issues, we would also
urge you to contact the Secretary
<http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/ABCPHNJYBN/1358931826>  to share
your personal viewpoints.

To view a copy of the program click
<http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/BNYCHNJYBO/1358931826>  here    

	

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From serge at issakov.org  Fri Aug 17 15:54:12 2007
From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:54:12 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Reasonable max speeds in a bike lane?
In-Reply-To: <cb2.1803ddf4.33f72884@aol.com>
References: <cb2.1803ddf4.33f72884@aol.com>
Message-ID: <69ec985b0708171254g28efd245h4d1845856f58f360@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/17/07, JonIsaacs at aol.com <JonIsaacs at aol.com> wrote:

>  Most cyclists fit nicely inside 44cm wide bars.  44cm is only about 17
> inches,  If you assume that the cyclist is 1.5 feet wide and are riding with
> their left shoulder near the line, that leaves 3.25feet  from the TIRE to
> the edge of the road.
>
>  Certainly that is plenty for someone who is carefully riding at 25mph or
> more, paying attention to what is ahead, etc.

I disagree.  At 25 mph, three feet (and it's really only 2 feet from
your right elbow) is not very much space to avoid a car that suddenly
pulls out of a driveway, for example, and riding that far right
shortens the sight lines to and from you.


>  I find it ironic that you would find having two feet to your right a
> concern when in the past you have stated that you are comfortable riding in
> a close pace line which means you are following someone more closely than 2
> feet.  At 25mph in a paceline 2 feet is about 1/20th of a second, well
> beyond the reaction time of even the fast human, so one is a sitting duck.

Totally different situation, for at least these reasons:

1) the paceline itself is much more conspicuous than a single solo
rider, so the risk of not being noticed is lower.
2) if you're moving at 25 mph relative to the ground, you're moving
much slower, practically 0 mph, relative to the other riders in the
paceline.  Even in a rotating pace line one line is typically moving
only 1 or 2 mph faster than the adjacent line.  At 2 mph 2 feet is
covered relative to each other in about 2 seconds.
3) the risk of riding near another rider moving at the same speed as
you is not the same as riding that close to a car that could pull into
you from the side.
4) I recognize that it's a risk, and it's one I'm willing to take.
5) I don't do pacelines in heavy traffic.

Having said that, in a place like La Costa Blvd going west from El
Camino Real to 101 where there are no places for traffic to turn in or
out of to the right, it's reasonable to ride near the edge at fairly
high speeds, paceline or not.

Serge

From forester at johnforester.com  Fri Aug 17 19:36:18 2007
From: forester at johnforester.com (John Forester)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:36:18 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's
	comments on PBS
In-Reply-To: <00be01c7e0f0$3a16e3e0$ae44aba0$@org>
References: <00be01c7e0f0$3a16e3e0$ae44aba0$@org>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070817162207.02def6e8@johnforester.com>

Andy Clarke's letter sent by the League is largely misrepresentation.

If the issue is the extent to which bike paths and trails serve 
largely transportation or largely recreation purposes, I think it has 
been accepted by most who have discussed this issue that, by length 
and probably by cost, the larger part of bike paths and trails serve 
largely recreational purposes. In any case, I have seen no careful 
study of this issue that might refute my hypothesis. One of my 
suspicions is that this is an issue that most would rather keep under 
the rug, afraid that a careful study would show the recreational bias.

Clarke then writes of the need to encourage bicycle transportation 
for trips of less than 2 miles and less than 1 mile. Considering the 
few possible urban locations for bike paths and trails, the 
probability that any randomly chosen trip of 1.5 miles would be well 
served by a bike path or trail is extremely small, far too small to 
be considered in transportation planning.

It is this kind of mendacity that makes reform of the League an 
absolute necessity.




At 10:01 AM 8/17/2007, Kathy Keehan wrote:
>Content-Type: multipart/related;
>         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C7E0B5.8DB80BE0"
>Content-Language: en-us
>
>If you heard the interview with DOT Secretary Peters, you know that 
>she thinks bicycle infrastructure is a waste of money. Links below 
>if you would like to send her an email about her misguided ways. :-)
>Thanks to the League of American Bicyclists for their excellent 
>response letter and getting the word out!
>Kathy
>
>From: Walter Finch [mailto:walter at bikeleague.org]
>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:50 PM
>To: Kathleen Keehan
>Subject: League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's comments on PBS
>
>Take Action Now
>Image removed by sender.
>
>League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's comments on PBS
>Transportation Secretary Mary Peters talks about infrastructure 
>problems and travel initiatives.
>
><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/OHFCHNJYBL/1358931826>More Info
>Peters cited "bicycle paths" as a prime example of the waste
>
>Last night on the PBS NewsHour with Jim Leher, DOT Secretary Mary 
>Peters was interviewed by Gwen Ifill.
>
>Peters, when asked about a possible gas tax increase, repeated 
>President Bush's response - No, there can be no tax increase because 
>Congress is wasting the money they already get.  Peters cited 
>"bicycle paths" as a prime example of the waste because bicycles are 
>not a transportation use of the gas tax money.
>
>It is disappointing that the administration is attacking Jim 
>Oberstar for his efforts to get the Minneapolis bridge repaired 
>along with raising all the funding for transportation maintenance, 
>by using Oberstar's support for bicycles as a weapon.
>
>The League of American Bicyclists feels strongly that this should 
>not go without a response and we have sent a letter to Secretary 
>Peters voicing our view. 
><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/DFNIHNJYBM/1358931826>Click 
>here to view our response.
>
>For those of you who feel strongly about bicycling issues, we would 
>also urge you to 
><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/ABCPHNJYBN/1358931826>contact 
>  the Secretary to share your personal viewpoints.
>
>To view a copy of the program 
><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/BNYCHNJYBO/1358931826>click here
>If you no longer wish to receive e-mail from us, please click 
><http://capwiz.com/lab/lmx/u/?jobid=89284147&queueid=1358931826>here.
>Image removed by sender.
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>
>
>
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From gcarman at san.rr.com  Sat Aug 18 00:40:41 2007
From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:40:41 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] FW: League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's
 comments on PBS
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070817162207.02def6e8@johnforester.com>
References: <00be01c7e0f0$3a16e3e0$ae44aba0$@org>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070817162207.02def6e8@johnforester.com>
Message-ID: <200708180449.l7I4nX1M000423@ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com>

On the flip side, gas taxes do not hardly cover the cost of motor 
vehicle transportation infrastructure.  The automobile is a highly 
subsided method of transportation in America, from the use of general 
funds for infrastructure, to the tax benefits for oil exploration, to 
the use of land to store cars on public streets (parking).  If the 
real costs of driving were met by motorists, the impact to the 
motorist would no doubt be quite shocking.

Since cycling represents about 2% of the transportation use in the 
US, cycling should get 2% of the transit funding, vice the current 1%.

At 04:36 PM 8/17/2007, John Forester wrote:
>Andy Clarke's letter sent by the League is largely misrepresentation.
>
>If the issue is the extent to which bike paths and trails serve 
>largely transportation or largely recreation purposes, I think it 
>has been accepted by most who have discussed this issue that, by 
>length and probably by cost, the larger part of bike paths and 
>trails serve largely recreational purposes. In any case, I have seen 
>no careful study of this issue that might refute my hypothesis. One 
>of my suspicions is that this is an issue that most would rather 
>keep under the rug, afraid that a careful study would show the 
>recreational bias.
>
>Clarke then writes of the need to encourage bicycle transportation 
>for trips of less than 2 miles and less than 1 mile. Considering the 
>few possible urban locations for bike paths and trails, the 
>probability that any randomly chosen trip of 1.5 miles would be well 
>served by a bike path or trail is extremely small, far too small to 
>be considered in transportation planning.
>
>It is this kind of mendacity that makes reform of the League an 
>absolute necessity.
>
>
>
>
>At 10:01 AM 8/17/2007, Kathy Keehan wrote:
>>Content-Type: multipart/related;
>>         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C7E0B5.8DB80BE0"
>>Content-Language: en-us
>>
>>If you heard the interview with DOT Secretary Peters, you know that 
>>she thinks bicycle infrastructure is a waste of money. Links below 
>>if you would like to send her an email about her misguided ways. :-)
>>Thanks to the League of American Bicyclists for their excellent 
>>response letter and getting the word out!
>>Kathy
>>
>>From: Walter Finch [ mailto:walter at bikeleague.org]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:50 PM
>>To: Kathleen Keehan
>>Subject: League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's comments on PBS
>>
>>Take Action Now
>>Image removed by sender.
>>
>>League Responds to U.S. Transportation Secretary's comments on PBS
>>Transportation Secretary Mary Peters talks about infrastructure 
>>problems and travel initiatives.
>>
>><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/OHFCHNJYBL/1358931826>More Info
>>Peters cited "bicycle paths" as a prime example of the waste
>>
>>Last night on the PBS NewsHour with Jim Leher, DOT Secretary Mary 
>>Peters was interviewed by Gwen Ifill.
>>
>>Peters, when asked about a possible gas tax increase, repeated 
>>President Bush's response - No, there can be no tax increase 
>>because Congress is wasting the money they already get.  Peters 
>>cited "bicycle paths" as a prime example of the waste because 
>>bicycles are not a transportation use of the gas tax money.
>>
>>It is disappointing that the administration is attacking Jim 
>>Oberstar for his efforts to get the Minneapolis bridge repaired 
>>along with raising all the funding for transportation maintenance, 
>>by using Oberstar's support for bicycles as a weapon.
>>
>>The League of American Bicyclists feels strongly that this should 
>>not go without a response and we have sent a letter to Secretary 
>>Peters voicing our view. 
>><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/DFNIHNJYBM/1358931826>Click 
>>here to view our response.
>>
>>For those of you who feel strongly about bicycling issues, we would 
>>also urge you to 
>><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/ABCPHNJYBN/1358931826>contac 
>>t the Secretary to share your personal viewpoints.
>>
>>To view a copy of the program 
>><http://capwiz.com/lab/utr/1/OUUQHNJXDR/BNYCHNJYBO/1358931826>click here
>>If you no longer wish to receive e-mail from us, please click 
>><http://capwiz.com/lab/lmx/u/?jobid=89284147&queueid=1358931826>here.
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>>
>>
>>
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>Lemon Grove, CA 91945-2306
>619-644-5481 www.johnforester.com
>
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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 18 17:37:23 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] Yogi's Bar & Grill, Cardiff Restaurant Row; bollards
Message-ID: <268934.49627.qm@web52511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The War of the White Bollards in the bike lane in front of Yogi's on Coast Highway 101's Restaurant Row is unfortunately evidently far from over. As I rode past just after 7:30 this morning I noticed the four bollards and their connecting rope once again in the bike lane, about 2 feet east/right of the bike lane's left-side demarcation stripe. Totally fed up, I stopped and threw all four of them against the curb, which felt marvelously therapeutic. (I made sure all four were upright and completely out of the bike lane before continuing north.) 

Being unsure of the proper jurrisdiction, I am filing formal complaints with the Encinitas City Council, the Chamber of Commerce, the Sheriff, the CHP, and the restaurant itself. It takes less than 30 seconds to move the bollards out of the bike lane -- if enough bicyclists consistently do this, maybe Yogi's will eventually get the message. In the meantime, I urge all north coast members of SDCBC to boycott Yogi's and to encourage their friends to do likewise, until the issue is satisfactorily resolved.

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From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net  Sat Aug 18 18:05:59 2007
From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:05:59 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Yogi's Bar & Grill, Cardiff Restaurant Row; bollards
In-Reply-To: <268934.49627.qm@web52511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070818220542.XSUG10118.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Go, John, Go! :-) 

 

I will not be pedaling in that area until a week from Sunday, I look forward
to participating in the insurgency at that time. 

 

 

Darryl MacKenzie

 <mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net> DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net

(619) 303-7316

o^o  o^o  o^o o^o  o^o  o^o o^o  o^o  o^o

 

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From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]
On Behalf Of John Eldon
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:37 PM
To: sdcbc at bikesandiego.org
Cc: tbarth at ci.encinitas.ca.us
Subject: [SDCBC] Yogi's Bar & Grill, Cardiff Restaurant Row; bollards

 

The War of the White Bollards in the bike lane in front of Yogi's on Coast
Highway 101's Restaurant Row is unfortunately evidently far from over. As I
rode past just after 7:30 this morning I noticed the four bollards and their
connecting rope once again in the bike lane, about 2 feet east/right of the
bike lane's left-side demarcation stripe. Totally fed up, I stopped and
threw all four of them against the curb, which felt marvelously therapeutic.
(I made sure all four were upright and completely out of the bike lane
before continuing north.) 

 

Being unsure of the proper jurrisdiction, I am filing formal complaints with
the Encinitas City Council, the Chamber of Commerce, the Sheriff, the CHP,
and the restaurant itself. It takes less than 30 seconds to move the
bollards out of the bike lane -- if enough bicyclists consistently do this,
maybe Yogi's will eventually get the message. In the meantime, I urge all
north coast members of SDCBC to boycott Yogi's and to encourage their
friends to do likewise, until the issue is satisfactorily resolved.

 

John  E.

 

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From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 18 18:06:43 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:06:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SDCBC] illegally placed white bollards creating a severe hazard in
	the Highway 101 bike lane
Message-ID: <546028.70076.qm@web52503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Mr. Nordling,

Congratulations on Yogi's new location; it looks great, and I hope to pop by soon to sample your food and drink within the new improved ambiance. 

However, I am extremely concerned about the traffic hazard generated by the roped white bollards which are often placed in the middle of the northbound bike lane on Coast Highway 101, in direct violation of California Vehicle Code 21211(b), viz:

21211. (b) No person may place or park any bicycle, vehicle, or any other object upon any bikeway or bicycle path or trail, as specified in subdivision (a), which impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist unless the placement or parking is necessary for safe operation or is otherwise in compliance with the law.

To be legal, the bollards must be at least 1.5 meters = 5 feet (i.e., minimum legal bike lane width as specified by the CVC) east of the bicycle lane demarcation stripe; this morning at 7:30 they were within about 2 to 3 feet.

Please make sure your employees recognize the legal and ethical obligation to keep the bollards a safe distance eastward.

Thank you very much, and best wishes for the continuing success of your business,

John
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From jwstump at cox.net  Sat Aug 18 18:23:59 2007
From: jwstump at cox.net (jwstump at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:23:59 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] Contact Valet Company, Corporation, and ABC
Message-ID: <10499346.1187475839633.JavaMail.root@fed1wml24.mgt.cox.net>

John 

You seemed to have e-mailed the first on the list of authorities.  -CALTRAN, Sheriff Kolender, Cardiff City and City Attorney and Bar Manager.  How about e-mailing District Attorney Dumanis, the Governor, The Corporate Officers, the Bar's Insurance Company, their Valet service, and The Alcoholic Beverage Control group.

All the best 
JWS


---- John Eldon <j.eldon at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 

=============
The War of the White Bollards in the bike lane in front of Yogi's on Coast Highway 101's Restaurant Row is unfortunately evidently far from over. As I rode past just after 7:30 this morning I noticed the four bollards and their connecting rope once again in the bike lane, about 2 feet east/right of the bike lane's left-side demarcation stripe. Totally fed up, I stopped and threw all four of them against the curb, which felt marvelously therapeutic. (I made sure all four were upright and completely out of the bike lane before continuing north.) 

Being unsure of the proper jurrisdiction, I am filing formal complaints with the Encinitas City Council, the Chamber of Commerce, the Sheriff, the CHP, and the restaurant itself. It takes less than 30 seconds to move the bollards out of the bike lane -- if enough bicyclists consistently do this, maybe Yogi's will eventually get the message. In the meantime, I urge all north coast members of SDCBC to boycott Yogi's and to encourage their friends to do likewise, until the issue is satisfactorily resolved.

John  E.

From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 19 16:44:26 2007
From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:44:26 -0700
Subject: [SDCBC] illegally placed white bollards creating a severe
	hazard in the Highway 101 bike lane
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-W229C0799522C165F8FBF0AFDA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <HIEGILPMAHCBKKIEJAIFIEODCNAA.j.eldon@sbcglobal.net>

Thank you much for your prompt and constructive response, Keith. I think the
win-win solution is to place the bollards near the building, as you suggest,
leaving at westernmost 5, preferably 6, feet of the bike lane clear.

All the best,

John
  -----Original Message-----
  From: keith nordling [mailto:keithnordling at hotmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:28 PM
  To: John Eldon
  Cc: Billy Daniels; eric dahrling; Kevin Calvert
  Subject: RE: illegally placed white bollards creating a severe hazard in
the Highway 101 bike lane


  Hello John;
  thank you for your letter.  i have placed these "bollards" in response to
law enforcements request to make sure customers don't park in front of my
place.  i don't have the labor to keep someone outside all day and night to
accomplish this.  this note from you puts me s