From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net Sun Apr 1 02:19:45 2007 From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:19:45 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] more data on yesterday's fatality in Poway In-Reply-To: <003301c773e0$4dce6930$e96b3b90$@org> Message-ID: <20070401061950.MZPX24015.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> I pedal I-67 past this location 6-10 times per year. While we can only assume what the intent of the cyclist was, we can take into consideration the characteristics of roads in the area. Poway Road is not very cyclist friendly. There is virtually no bicycle lane east or west bound from I-67 to the built up area of Poway. A cyclist would have to take the lane for several miles on Poway Road in either direction. A cyclist familiar with the roads into Poway from I-67 would most certainly take Scripps Poway Parkway which joins onto I-67 about a mile or so farther South (the direction the cyclist was coming from, the intersection he crossed before Poway road.) SPP has a wide and very easy to navigate bicycle lane. This leads me to believe the cyclist was attempting a u-turn to go back in the direction of his reported home, Lakeside via south bound I-67. My recollection is that I-67 has 2 lanes North bound at this intersection (maybe 3, certainly not 1) and one (possibly two) lane for the left hand turn. Traffic is normally going much faster than the 50 MPH posted. I-67 also has a higher number of high profile vehicles due to the occupations and recreation preferences of the typical users of I-67. It is possible that the cyclist did not see the vehicle in the left hand motor vehicle lane due to the large motor vehicles in the right motor vehicle lane. I-67 has a higher frequency of accidents than other roads of similar traffic volume in San Diego. One of our Cyclo-Vet members, Buzz Burnett posted the following regarding Marc Carpenter, SDBC member, on our news list this evening. It was reported that he was wearing an SDBC jersey at the time of the collision. History of Marc Carpenter (Cyclist in News) through USA Cycling website 06/23/2006 - San Diego ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-611> Omnium 2006 - Individual Time Trial - Cat 4/5 - 35-99 DNF Marc Carpenter 51948 06/23/2006 - San Diego ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-611> Omnium 2006 - Individual Time Trial - Master - 35-99 DNF Marc Carpenter 51948 05/07/2006 - Teleperformance ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-759> 's Tour of the Gila - Stage Race - Master - 40-99 40 Marc Carpenter 51948 13:32:07 604 Karl Strauss SDBC 05/06/2006 - Teleperformance ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-759> 's Tour of the Gila - Criterium - Master - 40-99 43 Marc Carpenter 51948 1:00:50 604 Karl Strauss SDBC 05/04/2006 - Teleperformance ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-759> 's Tour of the Gila - Road Race - Master - 40-99 39 Marc Carpenter 51948 3:22:09 604 Karl Strauss SDBC 05/04/2006 - Teleperformance ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-759> 's Tour of the Gila - Road Race - Master - 40-99 43 Marc Carpenter 51948 4:03:38 604 Karl Strauss SDBC 05/04/2006 - Teleperformance ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-759> 's Tour of the Gila - Road Race - Master - 40-99 82 Marc Carpenter 51948 4:15:56 604 Karl Strauss SDBC 0 5/03/2006 - Teleperformance ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2006-759> 's Tour of the Gila - Individual Time Trial - Master - 40-99 47 Marc Carpenter 51948 0:49:34 604 Karl Strauss SDBC 10/02/2005 - Tucson ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2005-1878> Bicycle Classic - Stage Race - Master - Masters - 45-55 24 Marc Carpenter 51948 Karl Strauss/SDBC 10/02/2005 - Tucson ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2005-1878> Bicycle Classic - Road Race - Master - Masters - 45-55 27 Marc Carpenter 51948 Karl Strauss/SDBC 10/01/2005 - Tucson ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2005-1878> Bicycle Classic - Road Race - Master - Masters - 45-55 DNF Marc Carpenter 51948 Karl Strauss/SDBC Marc 09/30/2005 - Tucson ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2005-1878> Bicycle Classic - Individual Time Trial - Master - Masters - 45-55 33 Marc Carpenter 51948 Karl Strauss/SDBC 08/28/2005 - Summer End ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2005-1054> Grand Prix - Criterium - Master - 45-99 14 Marc Carpenter 51948 312 San Diego Bicycle Club 04/28/2005 - Outside ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2005-44> Magazine's Tour of the Gila - Road Race - Master - Rr 1 - 45-99 33 Marc Carpenter 51948 3:49:14 641 Karl Strauss SCBC 04/27/2005 - Outside ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2005-44> Magazine's Tour of the Gila - Individual Time Trial - Master - 45-99 37 Marc Carpenter 51948 0:51:52 641 Karl Strauss SCBC 05/05/2002 - Tour of the ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2002-523> Gila - Road Race - 13 Marc Carpenter 51948 3:46:00 606 SDBC 05/05/2002 - Tour of the ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2002-523> Gila - Stage Race - 13 Marc Carpenter 51948 7:36:02 606 SDBC 05/04/2002 - Tour of the ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2002-523> Gila - Criterium - 18 Marc Carpenter 51948 0:43:00 606 SDBC 05/03/2002 - Tour of the ng.org/results/index.php?permit=2002-523> Gila - Road Race - 13 Marc Carpenter 51948 3:07:02 606 Darryl MacKenzie DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (619) 303-7316 o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o _____ From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Keehan Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM To: 'John Eldon'; SDCBC at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] more data on yesterday's fatality in Poway This is exactly the scenario I was talking about. If the situation was how it usually is, cars are parked in the northbound shoulder, and cyclists ride in the right hand lane. Sounds like he was either riding in the right lane or moving over to get into the left turn lane (which is what I think the officer was trying to say) to get onto Poway Road. Either way, sounds like they don't quite know what's going on - 'in the right lane or shoulder'? 'veered to the left' ? The conditions yesterday were terrific for visibility - clear and sunny. The sun would be toward the west, so not in anyone's eyes. Looks to me like either the driver of the car wasn't paying attention to what was happening in front of them, and/or was speeding (not uncommon on this stretch of roadway), or the bicyclist didn't see the car or misjudged the speed of the car coming from behind. I wonder what the other witnesses saw? There should have been plenty of them - it's a very busy intersection, especially on a Friday afternoon. The north to west turn is indeed as difficult as it looks on the map. The speed limit is at least 50 mph. Kathy From: John Eldon [mailto:j.eldon at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:36 AM To: execdir at sdcbc.org; SDCBC at bikesandiego.org Subject: more data on yesterday's fatality in Poway from the U-T website Although the account reads as though the cyclist were attempting a U-turn followed by a right, rather than a simple vehicular left turn, I strongly suspect the latter is the case. (More sloppy journalism, e.g., which direction was Jeannie Franklin riding in Solana Beach?) I have to plead total unfamiliarity with this intersection, but the Mapquest aerial photo makes it appear signalized. Does anyone know the speed limit through here? Is this north-to-west left turn as difficult as it looks on the map? http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address &country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude =&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=Poway&state=CA&zipcode= John E. March 31, 2007 POWAY: A bicyclist was killed in a collision with a car yesterday on state Route 67 at Poway Road during rush hour. The cyclist was identified by the county Medical Examiner's Office as attorney Marc Carpenter, 46, of Lakeside. Sheriff's officials said the accident occurred about 5:10 p.m. a short distance south of the "T" intersection. Carpenter was pedaling north on Route 67 in the right lane or shoulder and veered into the left lane, trying to reach the right-turn lane onto westbound Poway Road, sheriff's Sgt. Lloyd Muenzer said. Muenzer said Carpenter collided with a Nissan Sentra in the left lane, also going north. The impact knocked Carpenter onto the roof and windshield of the car, then onto the pavement north of the intersection. He was declared dead at the scene. __________ NOD32 2160 (20070331) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070401/d7e3d319/attachment-0001.html From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net Sun Apr 1 02:22:42 2007 From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:22:42 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Detour for Carlsbad 5000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070401062246.PFAW23423.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Thanks you Stephen and John for your input. It should make our trip Sunday easier. Darryl MacKenzie DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (619) 303-7316 o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o _____ From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of John Eldon Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:10 AM To: Stephan Vance; SDCBC at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Detour for Carlsbad 5000 Stephan's route should work well. Alternatively, avoid the C'bad 5000 area entirely by catching El Camino Real at Carmel Mountain Road. It winds around a bit and jogs at Via de la Valle, but it is VERY scenic, and traffic shouldn't be bad on a Sunday morning. John E. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Stephan Vance Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:36 AM To: SDCBC at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: Detour for Carlsbad 5000 Between Tamarack and Oak, take the Coastal Rail Trail along the railroad, then probably Jefferson up to Laguna, then State. Stephan _____ From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Keehan Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:24 AM To: SDCBC at bikesandiego.org Subject: [SDCBC] FW: Detour for Carlsbad 5000 From: Darryl MacKenzie [mailto:DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:34 AM To: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org Subject: Detour for Carlsbad 5000 I am leading a training ride this Sunday from Qualcomm Stadium area to San Clemente and return. The Carlsbad 5000 is that day, there are numerous road closures, see the link. http://www.eliteracing.com/carlsbad/cbad_roadclosures.html It appears that the best route is to take Tamarack to Jefferson or so, then go North to some street that will get us past Mt View. Can anyone recommend specific roads to facilitate our fumbling along these streets? 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(Thomas 1188 D6) Automobile access to this alley is blocked by bollards at the end of Old Carmel Valley Rd., but bicyclists can easily ride between them. If you are biking this way, the alley makes a good shortcut. It is quite steep, but the asphalt pavement is new and smooth. photograph: http://www.efgh.com/temp/28745.jpg On the north side of the freeway, there is an unpaved path from this alley to Carmel Knolls Dr. It is ridable on a mountain bike, but road cyclists will have to walk in some places. For the most part, the alley and path merely restore connections that were destroyed when Highway 56 was turned into a freeway. -- Philip Erdelsky From tlettington at san.rr.com Tue Apr 3 00:03:30 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:03:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Speed Bump Accident In-Reply-To: <4611BBDE.2070608@efgh.com> References: <4611BBDE.2070608@efgh.com> Message-ID: <200704030403.l33436S9012990@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> Caution and a word to the wise: On my Sunday morning ride, I came upon the scene of a bike accident that was attributed (according to the Rancho Santa Fe Trooper at the scene) to the cyclist hitting a speed bump at a high rate of speed and losing control. The identity and condition of the rider are not known to me but he/she was taken away from the scene by ambulance. The site of the accident was near the bottom of the grade on south bound Artesian Road (Thomas Bros. 1168 H4) before the locked gate that blocks free access to switch back north on Zumaque Street and up a steep grade to Las Colinas. This popular and scenic east/west route between Rancho Bernardo/4S Ranch and Rancho Santa Fe traverses private roads which bear warning signs about limited access. The speed bumps in question are rather sharp and are not marked in any way. They are very hard to see. High speeds are easy to achieve coming down the Artesian Rd grade. While the Trooper mentioned did not attempt to prevent my group from traversing the private road (in fact he even used his remote to open the locked gate for us), he did warn us that we were on private land and that we should exercise caution as we were "on our own" if we happened to get into any kind of difficulty. In this case I guess we cannot complain to CalTrans about the lack of makings on the speed bumps. I'll ride there again but - to quote a police Sergeant from a popular TV program - "be careful out there". - Tom From tlettington at san.rr.com Tue Apr 3 01:00:38 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:00:38 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Fwd: Re: Speed Bump Accident - More Info Message-ID: <200704030500.l3350EUe012590@ms-smtp-03.socal.rr.com> Additional information From Kathryn Law as posted on the Triathlon List: >Dear Tom, > >I am on the maillist for the Triathlon Club of San Diego. The >victim was a Tri Club member, and these messages were posted to the >list (which is public). As you'll see in the second message, >apparently there is some lack of definition as to whose >responsibility the road in question is. Hope this information will >be useful to you, and if you feel it's appropriate, I'm sure it's >okay to forward to the SDCBC list. > > >Re: Patrick Daubner Bike Crash > > > > >Posted by: "Patrick and Elizabeth Daubner" > > > > > > >Sun Apr 1, 2007 11:22 pm (PST) > > > >Thanks for all the nice thoughts and calls. Pat is not in the best >shape... he shattered his pelvis, broke his collar bone, and has >many cuts and bruises everywhere including his face and head. >Judging from the shape of his helmet the impact to his head was >severe. His leg is now in traction with surgery planned later this >week after a determination that there are no internal injuries. We >don't know too much about the accident as there were no witnesses and >he has no memory of the event. He was found unconscious. We think >it was an unmarked speed bump as you descend Artesian/Zumaque Rd. >(Sante Fe area) >He is really not up for visitors... but once again thanks for all of >your kindness. >Elizabeth > > > > >Re: Pat Daubner - ALL, PLEASE READ > > > > > >Posted >by: "Tri Shag" > > > > > >Mon Apr 2, 2007 8:58 am (PST) > > > >Dear Elizabeth and Patrick > >I am shattered to hear about this. I am sorry and saddened. I have >been contemplating painting the speed bump right next to the Lusardi >State Park, at the bottom of the hill on Artesian, going to Zumaque >(the first speed bump). In September of last year, I crashed >descending down Artesian descending about 35mph, the same location >you have described. I was found unconscious and ended up at Palomar >Medical Center. I also experienced several bruises, concussion, >memory loss, vertigo, and more. Luckily I did not break any bones. >Currently, I am in debate on claims against the County of San Diego >for negligence, not having marked the speed bump in any form >whatsoever. At first the county claimed that the street was private >and maintained by the Rancho Santa Fe Association. I wrote a letter >to RSF Association only to learn that their part of the property is >60-100yds in. I went back to the County of SD. I am still trying to >learn who maintains the street. The county is claiming they only >maintain a part of it, blah, blah, blah... >So far no one has taken responsibility for maintaining the road. >If anyone in the club has any ideas on how to pursue this, Please >let me know. >Good luck with your recovery. > >Matias Negatu > > > >On 4/2/07, Tom Lettington ><tlettington at san.rr.com> wrote: >Caution and a word to the wise: > >On my Sunday morning ride, I came upon the scene of a bike accident >that was attributed (according to the Rancho Santa Fe Trooper at the >scene) to the cyclist hitting a speed bump at a high rate of speed >and losing control. The identity and condition of the rider are not >known to me but he/she was taken away from the scene by ambulance. > >The site of the accident was near the bottom of the grade on south >bound Artesian Road (Thomas Bros. 1168 H4) before the locked gate >that blocks free access to switch back north on Zumaque Street and up >a steep grade to Las Colinas. > >This popular and scenic east/west route between Rancho Bernardo/4S >Ranch and Rancho Santa Fe traverses private roads which bear warning >signs about limited access. The speed bumps in question are rather >sharp and are not marked in any way. They are very hard to >see. High speeds are easy to achieve coming down the Artesian Rd grade. > >While the Trooper mentioned did not attempt to prevent my group from >traversing the private road (in fact he even used his remote to open >the locked gate for us), he did warn us that we were on private land >and that we should exercise caution as we were "on our own" if we >happened to get into any kind of difficulty. In this case I guess we >cannot complain to CalTrans about the lack of makings on the speed bumps. > >I'll ride there again but - to quote a police Sergeant from a popular >TV program - "be careful out there". > > - Tom > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070403/223bc16c/attachment.html From bparent at ucsd.edu Tue Apr 3 17:00:26 2007 From: bparent at ucsd.edu (Brian Parent) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:00:26 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] KUSI filming bicycle commuters at UCSD Message-ID: <20070403210026.GS15009@calvin.ucsd.edu> The UCSD Parking and Transportation office has arranged with KUSI for some publicity for the alternative transportation options and support at UCSD. They need cyclists (hopefully bicycle commuters) to film for a news spot. They'd like to see cyclists pedaling by, and some stopped, available for interviews by Rod Luck. I've agreed to be available for an interview. If you're interested, and wish to be interviewed, they'll need your name. If you're interested, and don't wish to be interviewed, you should still RSVP to me or Sam Corbett (scorbett at ucsd.edu), so we know how many to expect. The filming is scheduled for Thursday, April 5, 2007, 7:45am, and they're asking that people be there no later than 7:30am to get set up. The location is the turn-around area at the north-east end of Mandeville. Yes, KUSI was told about the Breakfast for Bicyclists occuring at the same time down at SIO. However, they chose the Mandeville site anyway, presumably because of the activity of shuttle busses as a preferred backdrop. Sorry for the short notice, but if you're interested, please RSVP as soon as possible (today would be nice). From sachiwilson at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 3 20:28:14 2007 From: sachiwilson at sbcglobal.net (Sachi Wilson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:28:14 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Murder charge Message-ID: At the preliminary hearing today, the Superior Court ruled that the man who killed Jeannie Franklin will stand trial for murder. (It looks like second degree murder from the sentence, which will be from 15-life.) http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20070403-1312- bn03carnes.html Sachi Wilson Law Office of Sachi T Wilson sachiwilson at sbcglobal.net From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 3 21:16:23 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:16:23 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Murder charge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I hope the murder charge sticks and that this clown's driver's license is revoked permanently. I favor life imprisonment in this case, but I doubt he'll get that. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Sachi Wilson Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:28 PM To: Sdcbc Subject: [SDCBC] Murder charge At the preliminary hearing today, the Superior Court ruled that the man who killed Jeannie Franklin will stand trial for murder. (It looks like second degree murder from the sentence, which will be from 15-life.) http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20070403-1312- bn03carnes.html Sachi Wilson Law Office of Sachi T Wilson sachiwilson at sbcglobal.net From gcarman at san.rr.com Wed Apr 4 01:27:56 2007 From: gcarman at san.rr.com (Gene Carman) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:27:56 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Restored Connections in Carmel Valley In-Reply-To: <4611BBDE.2070608@efgh.com> References: <4611BBDE.2070608@efgh.com> Message-ID: <200704040527.l345Rf1w017836@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> All true, but if one goes to the next bike path "exit" further east, the connection is less steep and the ride on Old Carmel Valley road is quite enjoyable down to the connection to Del Mar Heights road. The view of the valley to the north is quite nice. Take the long way home. At 07:28 PM 4/2/2007, Philip Erdelsky wrote: >The bike path along the south side of the Highway 56 freeway >in Carmel Valley is now connected to the south end of the >remaining portion of Old Carmel Valley Rd. by a paved alley >running under the freeway. (Thomas 1188 D6) > >Automobile access to this alley is blocked by bollards at the >end of Old Carmel Valley Rd., but bicyclists can easily ride >between them. > >If you are biking this way, the alley makes a good shortcut. >It is quite steep, but the asphalt pavement is new and smooth. > > photograph: http://www.efgh.com/temp/28745.jpg > >On the north side of the freeway, there is an unpaved >path from this alley to Carmel Knolls Dr. It is ridable >on a mountain bike, but road cyclists will have to walk >in some places. > >For the most part, the alley and path merely restore >connections that were destroyed when Highway 56 was >turned into a freeway. > >-- Philip Erdelsky >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as gcarman at san.rr.com >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send >e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org From execdir at sdcbc.org Wed Apr 4 11:45:13 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:45:13 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Legislation letters of support needed for two good bike bills Message-ID: <000001c776d0$3dc36840$b94a38c0$@org> Hello San Diego County bicyclist advocates! The California Bicycle Coalition is putting out the call for support on two important bike bills that will be going to committee in April. Please take a moment to voice your support with a letter. The SDCBC has already written letters of support for these two bills and faxed them in, but personal letters also have a big impact. AB534 is the bill to put more money into the Bicycle Transportation Account, which in San Diego has funded projects like the Inland Rail Trail, the Rose Creek Bike and Pedestrian Bridge, and bike lanes throughout the county. The bill will be heard at the Assembly Transportation Committee on April 9th. Please send a letter (see info and sample below) to the committee and the sponsor. Assemblywoman Shirley Horton from the 78th district (Lemon Grove, Chula Vista, San Diego, Bonita and Spring Valley) is on that committee, too, and a phone call or email to her office would also help! You can reach her at 916.319.2078 or 619.462.7878 or email from her website at http://republican.assembly.ca.gov/members/index.asp?Dist=78 &lang=1# AB1358 is a bill that will make sure bike projects are included at the beginning of the planning process, not at the end! It will be heard by the Assembly Local Government committee on April 18th. Please send a letter (see info and sample below) to the committee and the sponsor. Assemblywoman Lori Saldana from the 76th district (San Diego) is on that committee, and your support should go to her office, too. You can reach her office at 916.319.2076 or 619.645.3090 or email from her website http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a76/default.aspx Please read the information below and take the time to send a letter or two in support of these important pieces of legislation. Thanks!! If you have questions, please don't hesitate to email or call me. Kathy ----------------------------------------------- Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org California Bicycle Coalition Legislative Action Alert April 3, 2007 cid:image001.jpg at 01C77607.705C8A30 ACTION ALERT ACTION ALERT ACTION ALERT ACTION ALERT ACTION ALERT ITEMS click on item to view sample letter AB 534 (Smyth) Bicycle Transportation Account Bill to be heard in Assembly Transportation Committee on April 9, 2007 AB 1358 (Leno) Complete Streets Act of 2007 Bill to be heard in Assembly Local Government Committee on April 18, 2007 AB 534 will increase the annual allocation to the Bicycle Transportation to $12 million. While this increase is still a long way from meeting bicycle infrastructure needs, it is a step in the right direction. Send your support today. Please send your letter of support today to the Author (Assembly Member Cameron Smyth at 916-319-2138) of the bill and the Assembly Transportation Committee Chairman, (Assembly Member Pedro Nava: Fax to district office in Santa Barbara: 805. 564.1651). By clicking on the link above you will find a sample letter and fact sheet for the bill. Download the letter, personalize and fax it in today. Sample letter also included at the bottom of this file. The Complete Streets California Campaign led by the California Bicycle Coalition needs your help to pass important legislation in 2007. The Complete Streets Act of 2007 (AB 1358) introduced by Assembly Member Mark Leno will forever change the way our community transportation systems are designed and built. AB 1358 will ensure that community planners, developers and elected officials meet the needs of all users of the road. Join the fight today by sending Assembly Member Mark Leno a letter of support from you and the organization you work for. What are Complete Streets? Complete streets are designed and operated to enable safe access for all users. Pedestrians, bicyclists, motorists and transit riders of all ages and abilities must be able to safely move along and across a complete street. Offer Your Support Today To send a letter of support to Assembly Member Leno, click here. Download the sample letter and fax it in. It's that easy To make a contribution to the campaign, click here. Without your generous donations, we can not reach for high goals like these. Sample letter is also at the bottom of the page. Sample Letters AB 534 (Smyth)- Heard in Committee on April 9th. Please send letter to Assembly Member Smyth at 916-319-2138 Please also send a copy of the letter to the Transportation Committee Chair Assembly Member Pedro Nava Fax to district office in Santa Barbara: 805. 564.1651 Support AB 534 (Date) The Honorable Cameron Smyth California State Assembly California State Capitol Sacramento, CA 95814 FAX- 916-319-2138 Dear Assembly Member Smyth: On behalf of the (Your organization here) we strongly supports your efforts to increase funding for California's most under resourced amenity, the Bicycle Transportation Account. (Please fill in information about your organization here, details about what you do, who you represent, membership, etc.) In the mid 1970's, the Bicycle Transportation Account was created with an annual allocation of $360,000.00. Over the next two decades the BTA remained as a blip on the transportation budget chart. Two bills in the late 90's and early 2000 by Assembly Member Firestone (AB 1020) and Senator Brulte (SB 1772) dramatically changed the way that local governments would forever view bicycle planning. These bills provided for $7.2 million annually for bicycle projects throughout the State. In 2005, Senator Torlakson attempted to maintain the program funding level citing its great success and need for more funding with (SB 523). Unfortunately, this bill was vetoed by the Governor. The current monthly allocation is $460,000.00 a month to the BTA. AB 534 will provide for increased use of bicycle infrastructure investments. It is more important than ever to provide support to communities for bicycle infrastructure as we begin to spend Proposition 1B dollars. This bill will help to ensure that when those bond dollars are spent on transportation, that bicycling is included in the plan. Given that close to $50 million in project applications go unfunded each year, this increase represents one tool for all those planners, bicyclists, and others concerned about providing safe and clean routes to schools, trails, jobs and shopping. Thank you for your leadership not only for the bicycle community but also for being a strong advocate for healthy living, physical activity and public safety. Sincerely, (Your name and organization here) AB 1358 (Leno)- Heard in Committee on April 18th Please send your letter of support to Assembly Member Mark Leno at 916-319-2113 Please also send a copy of your letter to the Assembly Local Government Committee Chair Assembly Member Anna Marie Caballero at 916-319-3959 (date) Assembly Member Mark Leno Support AB 1358 State Capitol P.O. Box 942849 Sacramento, CA 94249-0013 Fax (916) 319-2113 RE: SUPPORT FOR AB 1358 Dear Assembly Member Leno: I join the California Bicycle Coalition in supporting AB 1358, the Complete Streets Act of 2007, because it will require cities and counties to design roadways that make bicycling and walking safer, more feasible modes of transportation. As non-motorized transportation modes, bicycling and walking can help solve a variety of the problems California faces: poor air quality, the threats from climate change and worsening public health. It is imperative that roadway design enables motorists, bicyclists, and pedestrians to travel safely. AB 1358 will result in roads that serve all users, not just motorists, as is now too often the case. In California, automobiles are responsible for 40% of the carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere, a percentage that does not include emissions from diesel buses, trucks, trains or airplanes. Promoting the construction of facilities that facilitate non-motorized travel will help California meet its climate change prevention goals without spending billions to investigate new technologies, some of which may never materialize. Bicycling and walking are available to us now, free of charge. Americans rely on automobiles for transportation because, in many cases, there are no alternatives. Driving and riding in a car, however, do not require physical exertion. By bicycling and walking, people can incorporate physical activity into their daily routines, which can improve the health of Californians, saving the state millions of dollars in saved health care costs and preventing the loss of productivity from illnesses that result from sedentary lifestyles, such as obesity, diabetes and heart attacks. 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Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070404/184ded50/attachment-0005.png From execdir at sdcbc.org Wed Apr 4 14:12:32 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:12:32 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [cycle-list] [Fwd: Memorial Ride for Marc Carpenter] Message-ID: <005701c776e4$d101ddd0$73059970$@org> FYI. -----Original Message----- From: cycle-list-bounces at linuxgeek.net [mailto:cycle-list-bounces at linuxgeek.net] On Behalf Of Neil Schneider Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:03 AM To: cycle-list at linuxgeek.net Subject: [cycle-list] [Fwd: Memorial Ride for Marc Carpenter] This came to me this morning. Another cyclist killed by a motorist. -- NJS -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- Subject: Memorial Ride for Marc Carpenter From: "Jill Jones" Date: Wed, April 4, 2007 9:13 am To: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear San Diego Cycling Community, As many of you probably already know, one of our long time members, Marc Carpenter was killed after being hit by a car last Friday evening while on a training ride on highway 67. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20070331-9999-1m31pubsafe.htm l. Please join us for a Memorial Ride in honor of Marc on Sunday April 22nd, at 9:00am. The ride starts at the same place as our Saturday ride, in front of U.C. Cyclery in the La Jolla Village Square, 8715 Villa La Jolla Drive, La Jolla, 92037. Marc's Memorial Service will be held this Saturday, April 7th, at 2:00pm at El Camino Memorial Park, in Sorrento Valley. If you have any questions about the ride or the Memorial service, please contact Ralph Elliott. Ralph at mgeracing@cox.net Best wishes, ride safe, Jill Jones SDBC Public Relations -- Neil Schneider pacneil_at_linuxgeek_dot_net http://www.paccomp.com Key fingerprint = 67F0 E493 FCC0 0A8C 769B 8209 32D7 1DB1 8460 C47D A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain. - Mark Twain _______________________________________________ cycle-list mailing list cycle-list at linuxgeek.net http://www.linuxgeek.net/mailman/listinfo/cycle-list From pje at efgh.com Wed Apr 4 20:15:24 2007 From: pje at efgh.com (Philip Erdelsky) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:15:24 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] [Fwd: Memorial Ride for Marc Carpenter] Message-ID: <46143F9C.7080805@efgh.com> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Wed Apr 04 16:59:00 2007 From: Jill Jones Subject: Memorial Ride for Marc Carpenter Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:13:54 -0700 Dear San Diego Cycling Community, As many of you probably already know, one of our long time members, Marc Carpenter was killed after being hit by a car last Friday evening while on a training ride on highway 67. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20070331-9999-1m31pubsafe.htm l. Please join us for a Memorial Ride in honor of Marc on Sunday April 22nd, at 9:00am. The ride starts at the same place as our Saturday ride, in front of U.C. Cyclery in the La Jolla Village Square, 8715 Villa La Jolla Drive, La Jolla, 92037. Marc's Memorial Service will be held this Saturday, April 7th, at 2:00pm at El Camino Memorial Park, in Sorrento Valley. If you have any questions about the ride or the Memorial service, please contact Ralph Elliott. Ralph at mgeracing@cox.net Best wishes, ride safe, Jill Jones SDBC Public Relations From tlettington at san.rr.com Wed Apr 4 23:14:32 2007 From: tlettington at san.rr.com (Tom Lettington) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:14:32 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Restored Connections in Carmel Valley In-Reply-To: <200704040527.l345Rf1w017836@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> References: <4611BBDE.2070608@efgh.com> <200704040527.l345Rf1w017836@ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <200704050314.l353ELrA026893@ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com> At 10:27 PM 4/3/2007, Gene Carman wrote: >All true, but if one goes to the next bike path "exit" further east, >the connection is less steep and the ride on Old Carmel Valley road >is quite enjoyable down to the connection to Del Mar Heights >road. The view of the valley to the north is quite nice. > >Take the long way home. If you are looking for a nice view of the valley, go north off of Del Mar Heights Road on El Camino Real, left onto Half Mile Drive to Wyndhaven Dr which becomes High Bluff Drive - no lie. The view there is spectacular from Overlook Park. You can then go back to El Camino Real and head north to enjoy the really nice descent into Fairbanks Ranch. San Diegito Road is a much better choice than Via de la Valle to head back east. To cut to the chase, see http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=787196 for the route map for my loop out of Rancho Bernardo last Sunday morning. I bumped into Carol Carr and her group near push pin 23. - Tom From sachiwilson at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 5 09:52:02 2007 From: sachiwilson at sbcglobal.net (Sachi Wilson) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:52:02 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Critical Mass in San Francisco Message-ID: Another flap . . . http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/05/ MNGFAP353S1.DTL Sachi Wilson *Safety Queen* From execdir at sdcbc.org Thu Apr 5 12:24:36 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:24:36 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Volunteer night Wednesday, April 11th Message-ID: <000c01c7779e$e6be5580$b43b0080$@org> Don't forget our next volunteer night, Wednesday April 11th, 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at Standley Recreation Center, 3585 Governor Drive. We'll be folding newsletters, eating good food, and swapping bike stories. Last volunteer night drew a record crowd - I'm hoping the trend continues since there are quite a few newsletters to fold. See you there! 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Stage 1 is Sunday April 29 When patrons of the Therapeutic Recreation Services (TRS) tandem ride program say ?take me out to the ballgame,? staff and volunteers swing into action.?TRS Leader Connie Hegey and Pedal to the Park (PTP) event director Dave White have the task of arranging adequate numbers of tandems and volunteer captains to match with TRS stokers (the rear ?engine? on a bicycle built for two).?The TRS tandem ride program has monthly closed circuit rides for children and adults with any type of disability.?Both the TRS program and Pedal to the Park operate under the principles of inclusion. According to Connie, the destination ride to PETCO Park adds a special treat, and enhances the popular socialization element of the program.? For PTP, all San Diego area cyclists are invited to ride along, over any of 3 routes (10, 25, and 40 miles) designed for everyone from families to elite cyclists. Three registration categories are available to suit all interests: Cycling and Baseball; Baseball Only; or Cycling Only. Pedal to the Park was founded with the objective of gathering together all area neighbors with common interests in cycling and baseball ? to share a dual event.?Volunteer captains paired with stokers with disabilities are able, as a team, to share the simple pleasures of a leisurely Sunday bike ride and baseball game.?Partnerships will be arranged and friendships will be made.?A special Bike Parking Pavilion will be constructed at the end of Park Blvd at Tony Gwynn Drive ? to securely store all cycling machines during the game.?After the Padres and Dodgers finish their contest, cycling teams will complete the human-powered loop ride back to Balboa Park.? Excess proceeds from the event go to TRS, to support programs for cyclists with disabilities.?Information and online registration at www.sdcbc.org or email p2park at san.rr.com LOCATIONS 1. War Memorial Building, 3325 Zoo Drive (north end of Zoo P-lot) - TRS Headquarters and PTP Check-in and Departure point for all participants, 29 April 2007, 9 am to noon. 2. Liberty Station? 25 mile and 40 mile routes join at the Truxton entrance to L.S. and tour the properties before exiting to Harbor Drive, times approx 11:00 to noon 3. PETCO Park? PTP Bike Pavilion end of Park Blvd, bikes arrive on MLK Promenade, noon to 1. 4. Maps for all routes are available on request, p2park at san.rr.com CONTACTS Dave White, PTP Founder and Event Director, (w) 619-881-5765, p2park at san.rr.com Connie Hegey, TRS Ride Leader, 619-525-8247 or (c) 619-244-3744 Kathy Keehan, Executive Director, SD County Bicycle Coalition, 858-487-6063 ---end--- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kathy From: Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bikingbuzz Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:20 PM To: Cyclo-Vets at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cyclo-Vets] Shooting incident on bike ride This is a posting on behalf of Jack Shirajian;; I thought you might want to post some warning info to all Cyclo vets members and other cyclists who frequently ride on Honey Springs Road as part of their training route whether as individuals or part of group training rides. The shooting incident took place this morning Sunday the 8th of April 2007, on the NAFTA ride (as some of us call it) or the Floho ride ( which is known among the majority of riders) which starts from Telegraph Canyon (McDonald's restaurant parking lot) in Chula Vista and heads east towards the 94 and then up Honey Springs. The peleton usually regroups half way up the climb on Honey Springs Road (about 4.5 miles from 94) by the sign "Welcome to Deerhorn Valley" approximately a mile or two from the fire station. As we (about 15 riders) were waiting for the rest of the riders to join us at the regrouping point, we heard someone from across the street yelling with loud and distinct tone " you f.Mexicans". At first, no one paid much attention to the person that did the yelling. Then, few second later, another round of racial insults were heard and a couple of riders were able to spot someone behind a screen door or window and pointed him to the rest of us. As the last few riders finally made their way to the regrouping point and the rest of us were getting ready to descend back to 94, the person in the house or trailer yelled out "do you want to die" and immediately followed by gun fire that was aimed in our direction but was targeted to hit the ground or a tree on his own property. As the bullet (sounded like a shotgun with a long barrel) hit the ground we clearly saw a large puff of dust and few leafs from the tree sprawling to the ground. As we moved about 200 yards from our original regrouping point, one of the rider called 911 to report the incident. As he was on the phone with the dispatcher (a lot of questions were asked and details were needed), a border patrol truck was going by and we waved him in and he pulled over and stepped out his vehicle to investigate the commotion. He radioed for help and we were told that he had to contact the sheriff department since he was not authorized to investigate or take any action without the presence of the proper security force. After about an hour of waiting and freezing our asses off (fortunately it did not rain on us) one sheriff car after the other started to roll in. One deputy after the other started approaching the scene fully armed with shot guns, pistols, hand cuffs, tear gas canisters and batons. After almost 90 minutes from the time the incident was reported, one deputy asked us to take shelter behind the police and border patrol cars since the occupants of the house or trailer are coming out. Two middle aged men were asked to lie on the ground (in the middle of Honey Springs Road) with hands above their heads and legs spread wide as they came out of the house. They were handcuffed and taken to one of the police cars. Thirty minutes later, one deputy asked us to go back to our original regrouping point and said an officer will be asking some of us to make a statement regarding the shooting. As we were waiting and shivering under the cloudy skies of Hamul, we saw the officers bring one long barreled shotgun and a hand pistol from inside the house. Two other officers were searching the front yard for empty cases and any other evidence. Fifteen minutes later, a sergeant with the sheriff department came to giver us a case number and to tell us that they confiscated all weapons they found on the property and asked us to send the department a letter of thank you for their efforts. Fortunately, none of us were hit or even came close to being hit. However, the shooter could have easily missed his intended target and one or more of us could have been hit. We were given contact info in order to follow up on the case. Some of us might be asked to appear in court as eyewitnesses if and when the two men will be charged with a felony. I am not sure if these two men once released, will try to intimidate and harass cyclists as they go up and down Honey Springs Road in the future. Who's to say that they will not target cyclists again? Jack __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Image removed by sender. Yahoo! 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We need to change that, and I'm looking for some folks who live in the community to help by going to some public meetings, writing some letters to the local paper, etc. Please contact me via email or phone if you can help! Kathy ----------------------------------------------- Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070409/e98405d6/attachment.html From execdir at sdcbc.org Tue Apr 10 15:36:30 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:36:30 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: [CalBike Report] California Bicycle Coalition Legislative Update Message-ID: <002a01c77ba7$8a24f060$9e6ed120$@org> Good work, bicyclists! Some of those calls must have made an impact on one of our Assemblymembers - Shirley Horton - she voted in favor. Thanks for the letters and phone calls. We're on our way to success! You'll be receiving other updates soon on this bill and others, so keep those dialing fingers ready. :-) Kathy ----------------------------------------------- Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org From: calbikereport-bounces at calbike-talk.org [mailto:calbikereport-bounces at calbike-talk.org] On Behalf Of CalBike Report Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:30 PM To: calbikereport at calbike-talk.org Subject: [CalBike Report] California Bicycle Coalition Legislative Update Importance: High California Bicycle Coalition Legislative Update! April 10, 2007 AB 534 (Smyth) Bicycle Transportation Account moves out of the Assembly Transportation Committee: After a little politics and some solid work by Assembly Member Smyth, AB 534 moved out of committee today with a vote of 8-2. While some Republicans still feel doubling the size of the account is not a good idea, we did receive support from Assembly Member Shirley Horton and Assembly Member Guy Houston. Thanks to Kevin O'neil (Chief of Staff to Asm. Smyth), Justin Fanslau (Lobbyist for the California Bicycle Coalition),and Doug Houston (Lobbyist for the California Parks Association) for their hard work in the capitol and committee today. And thank you for sending your letters of support. Please get ready to send your letter of support to the Assembly Appropriations Committee. The bill will go there next. Justin Fanslau Collective Influence NOTE NEW ADDRESS 1228 N Street Suite 11 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-524-3890 www.collectiveinfluence.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070410/200acc2f/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Robert Leone From execdir at sdcbc.org Thu Apr 12 16:46:32 2007 From: execdir at sdcbc.org (Kathy Keehan) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:46:32 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: update on westbound Palomar Airport Road, Carlsbad CA Message-ID: <00e101c77d43$a8a0f4b0$f9e2de10$@org> From: John Eldon [mailto:jeldon at pulselink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:31 AM To: Kathy Keehan Subject: update on westbound Palomar Airport Road, Carlsbad CA Hi Kathy, I cannot post to the SDCBC mail reflector from my computer here at work, but here is an update on Palomar Airport Road, if you care to share it with the gang. Westbound Palomar Airport Road from Palomar Oaks Way to College Bl./Aviara Pkwy.: K-rail still obstructs the #3 lane. The powerlines and poles have been removed, 98% of a new sidewalk has been poured, and the asphalt on the construction side of the K-rail (the bike lane and most of the #3 lane) is in reasonable shape, with scattered debris, a few potholes, and a couple of rough spots requiring attention of any road cyclists who may traverse the area. There is minor intermittent construction activity on some workdays, but I rarely encounter anyone on my morning 6:30 a.m. jog to the office. I THINK they will be able to remove the K-rail and reopen the bike lane and #3 lane by month-end. The segment from College to Hidden Valley is probably a week behind the Palomar Oaks to College segment. Thanks and regards, John John A. Eldon, D.Env. Director, Digital ASIC Design Pulse~LINK Inc. 1969 Kellogg Av. Carlsbad CA 92008 www.pulselink.net j.eldon at ieee.org 760 607-0844 x128 Instructor "Digital Design With Verilog" "Advanced Verilog & VHDL Design" UCSD Extension http://extension.ucsd.edu j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Vice-President Lake San Marcos Chamber Music Society http://lsmcms.adnc.com/welcome.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070412/0c914062/attachment-0001.html From mberry2 at cox.net Fri Apr 13 09:56:12 2007 From: mberry2 at cox.net (Mike Berry) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:56:12 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] RAAM Volunteer Message-ID: <001301c77dd3$7f391f90$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Hey Guys, I've been hired as Crew Chief for a RAAM team and I'm looking for a volunteer to help support Team 60 Going Hard. A four person RAAM relay team. We will be rolling out of Oceanside on 12 Jun and arriving in Atlantic City, NJ on the 18th or 19th. All expenses will be covered, including airfare to San Diego (if you're not from here), accommodations for one or two nights in Atlantic City, and return airfare to your home (wherever that may be) This is a well funded and organized team. Support will include 9 crew members, an RV and two support Vans. Previous experience not necessary!! If you are interested or have questions contact me via email or phone.. Thanks!! Mike Berry 619-403-1437 cell 619-303-9630 home www.sandiegocenturyriders.com Home of the San Diego Brevet Series Dedicated to the Adventure and Camaraderie of Long Distance Cycling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see it at http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.86751.html Caltrans also responded to the story and emphasized why you can't just take shoulder space and turn it into space in the median and expect it to improve safety (Thanks to Pedro Delgado for sticking up for shoulder space! I like being able to say 'yea, Caltrans!'). Anyway, just so you are aware of the situation and are aware of the Coalition's response below. Kathy From: Kathy Keehan [mailto:execdir at sdcbc.org] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:47 PM To: 'jzevely at kfmb.com' Subject: Story on SR67 Dear Mr. Zevely, I just saw your story on the video produced by students regarding safety improvements on SR67. I want to applaud the students, especially Rebecca Nolin, for their hard work and dedication to making safety a priority in the corridor, and I think they have an important message to share with the rest of the County. Unfortunately, I think that your story didn't really do them justice. Their video talked a lot about safe driving, slowing down, getting off the cell phone and paying attention while driving. Good messages all. There was one line in it about removing the shoulders/bike lanes along SR67 and using that space for putting a barrier in the median instead. But your story focused almost exclusively on that 'solution' to the safety problems on SR67. A 'solution' that makes it more dangerous for people bicycling, walking, or stranded in their broken-down vehicles in the traffic lane is no solution at all. State Route 67 has too many crashes. All the roadways in the County have too many crashes. Too many people are dying on our roadways - motorists, bicyclists, and pedestrians. Let's focus on solutions that make it safer for everyone, not safer for some at the expense of others. I hope that in the future when you report on the tragedy that is roadway safety in San Diego County you will be a little more careful about the message you send and how you put the story together. You had an opportunity to emphasize things that would really make a safety difference on SR67 and everywhere - pay attention, drive a little slower. I'm sorry that you didn't take the opportunity to send that message. Kathy ----------------------------------------------- Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are still a few tickets left, but don't wait or you might miss out! http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?event_id=1376660 4. I'm going to be out of the office Monday through Thursday, but I'll be back on Friday. So don't get into too much trouble while I'm gone! ----------------------------------------------- Kathy Keehan Executive Director San Diego County Bicycle Coalition P.O. Box 34544 San Diego, CA 92163 858.487.6063 execdir at sdcbc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So began Craig Nelson, a Solana Beach banker, in a recent e-mail. To be honest, my idea of bike riding is a one-speed cruiser lumbering down the Mission Beach boardwalk. Sartorially, I'd opt for baggy khaki ? not skin-tight Lycra ? shorts. Still, I won't question Nelson's premise, one that hinges upon a dead body. One month ago today, Nelson reminded me, a bicyclist pedaling from Cardiff to Solana Beach was killed by an allegedly drunk hit-and-run driver from Escondido. In a letter to the Pterodactyl Club, his long-in-the-tooth riding group, Nelson drew a road-tested moral from the March 16 death of Jeannie Franklin, a regular Solana Beach rider. ?We have all seen it happen. A driver comes within an inch of a rider when there is plenty of space for him to move over. I have no idea how often it is that the driver is not paying attention, distracted, etc., but I know sometimes it's on purpose to scare or get back at the riders who somehow somewhere at some time? ticked him off. ?What I am pretty sure of is that, like a teenager, none of them have actually thought through what the impact to THEM would be if they actually hit the rider. Face it, the reality is these morons are never going to be looking out for you ? but if we can get them to look out for themselves, the streets will be safer for us all.? Brian Stephen Carnes, an Escondido grocery worker with a 1998 DUI conviction, is Nelson's example, the driver who felt the impact of a few pounds of metal and a human body on his Toyota 4Runner. Carnes' attorney called the tragedy on Highway 101 an ?accident? and speculates that Franklin may have veered out of the bicycle lane and collided with Carnes' vehicle. The prosecutor dismisses the veer theory ? and has charged Carnes with murder. [] [] [] It's the hairy way of the world. Bicyclists often ride at the very edge of disaster. Between them and tons of hurtling steel, inches. That's what Nelson, 45 and whippet-lean, told me last week over early-morning coffee in Solana Beach. He and his riding mates divide the pool of drivers into three roughly equal categories ? attentives, distracteds and hostiles. Salt-of-the-road attentives, whenever possible, move over to allow bicycles as much space as possible; cell-phone-in-ear distracteds pay no attention to the bicyclists they're perilously passing within inches; blood-in-the-eye hostiles, consciously or not, take sadistic pleasure in leaning to the right to send a bolt of fear through the spines of vulnerable bicyclists. This isn't to say riders, especially the men, take close calls like demure angels. ?There's plenty of testosterone? underneath all that Lycra, Nelson said. Nelson and his buddies have caught up with suspected hostiles at stoplights and accosted them. ?Never a good idea,? Nelson admitted. What's more, bicyclists can go crazy when they ride in large packs, Nelson said. Safe in brightly colored numbers, they can swarm the road like wilding bees, oblivious to traffic laws. In addition, bicyclists can hurt themselves with reckless riding in dangerous conditions. Emergency rooms treat self-inflicted wounds regularly. Still, the numbers support Nelson's gloomy premise. From 1995 to 2000, an average of more than 750 bicyclists were killed each year nationwide in collisions with vehicles, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Unsafe passing accounts for a large percentage of the highly preventable deaths as well as an almost infinite number of heart-stopping near-misses. [] [] [] Kendra Chiota Payne, a 21-year-old Santa Barbara triathlete, was killed a year ago when a truck hit her while passing on a narrow mountain road. Assemblyman Pedro Nava, D-Santa Barbara, chairman of the Assembly Transportation Committee, took Payne's death to heart and sponsored a bill, AB 60, that requires passing cars to give bicycles an arm's length of clearance. The legislation does not break new ground. Six states ? Arizona, Florida, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Utah and Wisconsin ? have passed similar laws. To maintain the yard-long separation, cars would be allowed to cross double lines or left-hand turning lanes. Nava's bill, if it's ever signed by the governor, may be a challenge to enforce ? and honor on narrow roads ? but it at least sets a basic standard that everyone can understand. Current law requires motorists to maintain a ?safe distance? from bicycles, but that's hopelessly subjective. One person's safe margin is another's panic attack. One arm's length. Thirty-six inches. A yard. ?This legislation is not about us ? it's not about my daughter, it's not about my wife, it's not about me,? Payne's father said recently. ?Motorists must realize that cyclists are not simply objects that slow them down on their way to a destination. Cyclists are human beings, with families and friends who love them.? Bicyclists are not universal angels, but in an environmental sense at least, they're doing the Lord's workout. Along with their helmets, they should sport a colorful 3-foot halo. [] Logan Jenkins can be reached at (760) 737-7555 or by e-mail at logan.jenkins at uniontrib.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Seems like a particularly bad spot, what with children bicycling to school now being forced into the traffic lanes. Of course, children in Poway don't bicycle to school because Mom drops them off in her SUV. And of course, we have the previously documented bike lane on a side walk in the Community Park area. Poway used to be very bicycle friendly, but these last three moves makes me think the city council would like to get rid of bicycles on the streets in order to improve the "Image" of Poway (see recent articles about the twirling sign controversy) If anyone has more information on the Pomerado Road changes, I would be interested in hearing from them. Perhaps a nice visit to a city council meeting may be in order. Gary Kent From gary.kent at cox.net Mon Apr 16 14:09:18 2007 From: gary.kent at cox.net (gary.kent at cox.net) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:09:18 -0400 Subject: [SDCBC] Pomerado Road Bike Lanes in Poway Message-ID: <31962633.1176746958754.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Dave, I found the original article in the March 21 issue of the Poway Chieftain about the bike lanes. I can see where people would be confused whether the removal is temporary or not. This excerpt certainly makes it sound permanent: "Biking enthusiasts will no longer have a dedicated bike lane in front of the hospital due to the addition of the median, but, in that area, the lane closest to the hospital will be 14-feet wide, three feet wider than the outer lane, to allow bikes and cars enough travel room, Poway traffic engineer Zubir Ouada said. ?We?ll also be putting up diamond-shaped ?bike? signs, along with ?share the road? signs underneath,? he added. " But if the city is telling Kathy that it is temporary, I am sure they wouldn't lie about it The reporter must have misquoted the traffic engineer. Of course, there is always the ongoing arguments in the bicycling community about whether bike lanes are desirable or not so the wider lane may be the better solution. Gary Kent ---- David White wrote: > Same here, Gary. We'll hope your calendar likes Stage 2 better, Sunday 16 > September. > Thanks, Dave > > > > > > 04/16/2007 10:13 AM > Please respond to > w6gdk at arrl.net > > > To > David White > cc > > Subject > Re: [SDCBC] Pomerado Road Bike Lanes in Poway > > > > > > > Dave > > Thanks for the response. I am glad to hear it is only temporary. I recall > hearing from another source that the change would be permanent, but he > must have been missed informed also. I am more than happy to channel these > issues through the SDCBC, but I hadn't seem anything on the reflector, so > thought it should be brought up. > > It was nice to meet you at the last NCCC BOD meeting in San Marcos. Wish > I could do the Pedal to th Park ride, but my job is having me travel quite > a bit lately and I just can't make any plans anymore. > > Gary Kent > > > ---- David White wrote: > > Hi Gary - > > > > Kathy Keehan, SDCBC Exec Director, is on vacation today thru thursday, > but > > I spoke with her yesterday about this issue. Kathy spoke to the City of > > > Poway. The alteration is temporary only, until the median work is > > complete. I'm sure Kathy (and the cycling community) will not complain > if > > concerned cyclists like you voice their opinions to the folks in charge. > > > For the larger and longer picture, I would recommend channeling your > > complaint observations and constructive recommendations through the > > SDCBC, which is the best and strongest local agency for cycling advocacy > > > of this kind. If Poway has a systemic problem, I'm thinking Kathy > likely > > has previous experience with, or would want to address the overal > > situation at the "Community Bike Plan" level. > > Dave White > > PS - I'm not able to send remotely from my other account, so cannot > > address this email to [SDCBC]; you may forward it if you like. > > > > > > From > > gary.kent at cox.net > > Sent > > Monday, April 16, 2007 9:05 am > > To > > sdcbc at bikesandiego.org > > Cc > > > > Bcc > > > > Subject > > [SDCBC] Pomerado Road Bike Lanes in Poway > > > > Last Wednesday, Rick Wiseman of Poway wrote a Letter to the Editor of > the > > Poway Chieftain regarding the ongoing roadwork on Pomerado Road in front > > > of Pomerado Hospital. Apparently the City of Poway ( aka The Peoples > > Republic of Poway buy many disgruntled citizens) is sacrificing the bike > > > lanes to add a nice landscaped median on Pomerado. > > > > I haven't verified this information myself with the city, but > considering > > some other "designs" that have been done lately in Poway, I wouldn't be > > surprised. On Midland Road, immediately in front of the newly rebuilt > > Midland School, the bike lanes were removed to accommodate a school bus > > turnout lane. Seems like a particularly bad spot, what with children > > bicycling to school now being forced into the traffic lanes. Of course, > > children in Poway don't bicycle to school because Mom drops them off in > > her SUV. > > > > And of course, we have the previously documented bike lane on a side > walk > > in the Community Park area. > > > > Poway used to be very bicycle friendly, but these last three moves makes > > > me think the city council would like to get rid of bicycles on the > streets > > in order to improve the "Image" of Poway (see recent articles about the > > twirling sign controversy) > > > > If anyone has more information on the Pomerado Road changes, I would be > > interested in hearing from them. Perhaps a nice visit to a city council > > meeting may be in order. > > > > Gary Kent > > > From DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net Mon Apr 16 18:53:02 2007 From: DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (Darryl MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:53:02 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] Well Known Radio Personality hit by Car While Cycling to Work Message-ID: <20070416225236.MBRY13782.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Another cyclist hit by a car, this name and voice is very familiar to most of us. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070416-1350-bn16bike2.html Darryl MacKenzie DarrylMacKenzie at Cox.Net (619) 303-7316 o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o o^o -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com Home of the San Diego Brevet Series Dedicated to the Adventure and Camaraderie of Long Distance Cycling _____ From: Gabrielle Mestemacher [mailto:gabbiem at roadrunner.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:41 PM To: mberry2 at cox.net Subject: FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike Just got this from a friend - Watch your back commuting. gabbie SignOnSanDiego.com * Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. share with all cyclists - local - Click the following to access the sent link: SignOnSanDiego.com News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike* SAVE THIS link FORWARD THIS link Get your EMAIL THIS Browser Button and use it to email information from any Web site. *This article can also be accessed if you copy and paste the entire address below into your web browser. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070416-1350-bn16bike2.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070416/b4de5d71/attachment-0001.html From serge at issakov.org Mon Apr 16 19:30:40 2007 From: serge at issakov.org (Serge Issakov) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:30:40 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike In-Reply-To: <001401c7807b$1819df70$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> References: <001401c7807b$1819df70$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Message-ID: <69ec985b0704161630p2ce0b2bap61e231e727421fe7@mail.gmail.com> Article: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070416-1350-bn16bike2.html Aerial photo: google maps link >From the aerial photo it appears that on eastbound Montezuma there is a bike lane to the left of the right-turn-only lane that goes to Collwood Boulevard. According to the article, the police said "Fudge had moved to the left so he could continue straight on Montezuma". I would think that means he moved into the bike lane that is to the left of the right only lane, except the police also said the driver clipped Fudge "when the motorist started to make a right turn on Collwood". That suggests Fudge may have been going straight from the right only lane, and was not in the bike lane to the left of the right only lane, or that the driver made the right from the through lane to the left of the bike lane. In any case, the most significant factor appears to be... "The driver had the sun in her eyes, police said." The good news is that though he will miss a few days of work, he "is expected to make a full recovery". If nothing else, let's all remember to take extra precautions as appropriate when riding into the sun. Serge On 4/16/07, Mike Berry wrote: > > > > I ride through this intersection every day and I hate, hate, hate it?. > > > > Mike Berry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070416/049110a6/attachment.html From mberry2 at cox.net Mon Apr 16 19:57:51 2007 From: mberry2 at cox.net (Mike Berry) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:57:51 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike In-Reply-To: <69ec985b0704161630p2ce0b2bap61e231e727421fe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <001401c7807b$1819df70$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> <69ec985b0704161630p2ce0b2bap61e231e727421fe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c78083$0b081a60$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> When you look at the photo, notice how far back the bike lane starts.many times I have moved into the beginning of that lane only to have motorists cross over the bike lane in front of me to get to the right hand turn lane. The right turn lane is pretty much a free right hand turn onto Collwood whether the light is green or not..what adds to the difficulty of negotiating this intersection is that cars are moving very quickly (speed limit is 50 mph) in these lanes and as eastbound Montezuma is uphill, cyclists are moving very slowly. When I first started riding this intersection, I would signal my intentions and wait for the cars in the right turn lane to slow down to allow me merge left into the marked bike lane. Problem was they would never slow down or respond to my signal. What works for me is to signal my intention to move left and actually make the move without waiting for acknowledgement from approaching vehicles that they understand my intention to go left. Then the vehicles would have to slow down to avoid rear ending me. Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com Home of the San Diego Brevet Series Dedicated to the Adventure and Camaraderie of Long Distance Cycling _____ From: serge.issakov at gmail.com [mailto:serge.issakov at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Serge Issakov Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:31 PM To: Mike Berry Cc: Sdcbc Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike Article: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070416-1350-bn16bike2.html Aerial photo: google maps link >From the aerial photo it appears that on eastbound Montezuma there is a bike lane to the left of the right-turn-only lane that goes to Collwood Boulevard. According to the article, the police said "Fudge had moved to the left so he could continue straight on Montezuma". I would think that means he moved into the bike lane that is to the left of the right only lane, except the police also said the driver clipped Fudge "when the motorist started to make a right turn on Collwood". That suggests Fudge may have been going straight from the right only lane, and was not in the bike lane to the left of the right only lane, or that the driver made the right from the through lane to the left of the bike lane. In any case, the most significant factor appears to be... "The driver had the sun in her eyes, police said." The good news is that though he will miss a few days of work, he "is expected to make a full recovery". If nothing else, let's all remember to take extra precautions as appropriate when riding into the sun. Serge On 4/16/07, Mike Berry wrote: I ride through this intersection every day and I hate, hate, hate it.. Mike Berry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070416/91e64700/attachment.html From JimBaross at cox.net Mon Apr 16 20:18:52 2007 From: JimBaross at cox.net (Jim Baross) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:18:52 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike In-Reply-To: <001401c7807b$1819df70$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> References: <001401c7807b$1819df70$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070416170958.03719148@cox.net> Too bad about Tom's incident. He has been very supportive AND a regular bike commuter, though I don't recall whether he has been the beneficciary of any Road 1 or other training. I hope this doesn't sour him from continuing. I've been through there a few times but not during the morning commute hours. Ideals for improvement? 1) Making the angle of the right turn to be more severe so that motorists would have to slow down more in anticipation of the sharpened turn? ... though it looks to be 90 degrees now... 2) Installing lane markings to indicate the straight through and right turn only lanes sooner and more disctinctly... maybe with those square dashed lane lines that indicate a lane is separating? At 04:00 PM 4/16/2007, Mike Berry wrote: > >I ride through this intersection every day and I hate, hate, hate it . > >Mike Berry >www.sandiegocenturyriders.com >Home of the San Diego Brevet Series >Dedicated to the Adventure and Camaraderie > of Long Distance Cycling > >---------- >From: Gabrielle Mestemacher [mailto:gabbiem at roadrunner.com] >Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:41 PM >To: mberry2 at cox.net >Subject: FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- >KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike > >Just got this from a friend - Watch your back commuting. gabbie > > >[] > > > >SignOnSanDiego.com > >[] > > * Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. > > > >share with all cyclists - local - > > > >[] > > > > >Click the following to access the sent link: > > > >[] >SignOnSanDiego.com >News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike* > > > > > > > >SAVE THIS link > > >FORWARD THIS link > > > > > > >Get your EMAIL THIS Browser Button and use it to >email information from any Web site. > >[] > > > > >[] > > > > >*This article can also be accessed if you copy >and paste the entire address below into your web browser. >http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070416-1350-bn16bike2.html > >_______________________________________________ > >You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jimbaross at cox.net >To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to >http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc >List privacy information is located at http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup >For help or to talk with someone other than the >mail robot, send e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I frequently see motorists illegally turning right across a bike lane instead of properly entering a right-turn-only lane. Sorry gang, this particular intersection is INHERENTLY dangerous for us, because some motorists are too careless, too distracted, and/or too sun-blinded, and this situation should not be tolerated. If I lived or worked near SDSU and had to traverse that area daily, I would probably be one of those folks who considers road biking unacceptably dangerous. Best wishes to our friend for a speedy and full recovery, John E. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Jim Baross Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:19 PM To: Sdcbc Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike Ideals for improvement? 1) Making the angle of the right turn to be more severe so that motorists would have to slow down more in anticipation of the sharpened turn? ... though it looks to be 90 degrees now... 2) Installing lane markings to indicate the straight through and right turn only lanes sooner and more disctinctly... maybe with those square dashed lane lines that indicate a lane is separating? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This usually amounts to me stopping on the right side of the road for a minute or so, after moving well past the beginning of the right turn lane. I've been commuting on Montezuma since 2001 and that's the best I've come up with. I would name that one of the two or three most dangerous spot for a cyclist in San Diego. I also listen to Tom Fudge when I can. I didn't know he was a cyclist. Tom thomas.treynolds at gmail.com On 4/16/07, Mike Berry wrote: > > > > I ride through this intersection every day and I hate, hate, hate it?. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We could describe it to death but the best way is to observe the intersection firsthand, preferably in the afternoon when the traffic is heavier and the drivers more aggressive. Now that I think about it, it's also a hazard for pedestrians as drivers treat it as a free right hand turn. Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com Home of the San Diego Brevet Series Dedicated to the Adventure and Camaraderie of Long Distance Cycling _____ From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Jim Baross Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:19 PM To: Sdcbc Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio host seriously injured on bike Too bad about Tom's incident. He has been very supportive AND a regular bike commuter, though I don't recall whether he has been the beneficciary of any Road 1 or other training. I hope this doesn't sour him from continuing. I've been through there a few times but not during the morning commute hours. Ideals for improvement? 1) Making the angle of the right turn to be more severe so that motorists would have to slow down more in anticipation of the sharpened turn? ... though it looks to be 90 degrees now... 2) Installing lane markings to indicate the straight through and right turn only lanes sooner and more disctinctly... maybe with those square dashed lane lines that indicate a lane is separating? At 04:00 PM 4/16/2007, Mike Berry wrote: I ride through this intersection every day and I hate, hate, hate it.. 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The drivers clearly are racing off to put out fires at orphanages, getting that pregnant woman to the hosipital, heading to heart surgery, etc. The best part is when they get pissed when they end up having to brake to let me cross - but if they hadn't floored it when I signaled, I would have crossed the gap and they could have continued on at their normal pace *without* braking. I laugh and laugh at them. Ok, so I was riding home one night in heavy traffic on Pomerado Rd. A red car was almost killing himself trying to keep up with me. He was weaving in and out, constantly changing lanes and cutting off other drivers. Once he was a block or two ahead of me he would calm down, until I passed him yet again. This went on for half a mile. Finally we approached the last traffic light before the traffic jam broke free. He floored it in the lane next to me and turned and sneered at me as he passed me. But the light in front of us flipped red. As he was looking at me, he plowed into the car in front of him that stopped for the light. Quick as a flash, the driver in front was out and screaming at him, and threatening him. So he floors it, goes around and now we have hit and run with the other driver in pursuit. Last I saw they were doing 90 mph N on Pomerado, one in the left turn lane. I don't think I have ever seen two people that deserved each other as much as those two. Not as good as the flying 5 flip rollover I saw on your 400k but close. And I shake my head and laugh. jack --- Mike Berry wrote: > When you look at the photo, notice how far back the bike lane > starts.many > times I have moved into the beginning of that lane only to have > motorists > cross over the bike lane in front of me to get to the right hand turn > lane. > > > > The right turn lane is pretty much a free right hand turn onto > Collwood > whether the light is green or not..what adds to the difficulty of > negotiating this intersection is that cars are moving very quickly > (speed > limit is 50 mph) in these lanes and as eastbound Montezuma is uphill, > cyclists are moving very slowly. > > > > When I first started riding this intersection, I would signal my > intentions > and wait for the cars in the right turn lane to slow down to allow me > merge > left into the marked bike lane. Problem was they would never slow > down or > respond to my signal. What works for me is to signal my intention to > move > left and actually make the move without waiting for acknowledgement > from > approaching vehicles that they understand my intention to go left. > Then the > vehicles would have to slow down to avoid rear ending me. > > > > Mike Berry > > www.sandiegocenturyriders.com > > Home of the San Diego Brevet Series > > Dedicated to the Adventure and Camaraderie > > of Long Distance Cycling > > _____ > > From: serge.issakov at gmail.com [mailto:serge.issakov at gmail.com] On > Behalf Of > Serge Issakov > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:31 PM > To: Mike Berry > Cc: Sdcbc > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS > radio host > seriously injured on bike > > > > Article: > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070416-1350-bn16bike2.html > Aerial photo: google > d,+San+Diego,+CA&sll=32.841796,-117.269474&sspn=0.007698,0.009828&layer=&ie= > UTF8&z=19&ll=32.77007,-117.08601&spn=0.001926,0.002457&t=h&om=1> > maps link > > > >From the aerial photo it appears that on eastbound Montezuma there > is a bike > lane to the left of the right-turn-only lane that goes to Collwood > Boulevard. > > According to the article, the police said "Fudge had moved to the > left so he > could continue straight on Montezuma". I would think that means he > moved > into the bike lane that is to the left of the right only lane, except > the > police also said the driver clipped Fudge "when the motorist started > to make > a right turn on Collwood". That suggests Fudge may have been going > straight > from the right only lane, and was not in the bike lane to the left of > the > right only lane, or that the driver made the right from the through > lane to > the left of the bike lane. > > In any case, the most significant factor appears to be... "The driver > had > the sun in her eyes, police said." > > The good news is that though he will miss a few days of work, he "is > expected to make a full recovery". > > If nothing else, let's all remember to take extra precautions as > appropriate > when riding into the sun. > > Serge > > > > On 4/16/07, Mike Berry wrote: > > > > I ride through this intersection every day and I hate, hate, hate > it.. > > > > Mike Berry > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jbochsler at yahoo.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From j.eldon at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 16 20:50:13 2007 From: j.eldon at sbcglobal.net (John Eldon) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:50:13 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio hostseriously injured on bike In-Reply-To: <006601c78089$2ef48480$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Message-ID: Perhaps we should invoke the Americans with Disabilities Act. I cannot imagine traversing that intersection, in its current configuration, on a mobility scooter, yet one should have the right to do so safely. -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Mike Berry Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:42 PM To: 'Jim Baross'; 'Sdcbc' Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio hostseriously injured on bike The turn is severe, but at the point the bicyclist makes his left hand move to the straight thru bike lane (the start of which is a good distance from the intersection) the cars are still moving rather quickly in the right hand turn lane, and that's what makes it difficult to negotiate, especially when you're when your moving at less than 10 mph due to the hill. We could describe it to death but the best way is to observe the intersection firsthand, preferably in the afternoon when the traffic is heavier and the drivers more aggressive. Now that I think about it, it's also a hazard for pedestrians as drivers treat it as a free right hand turn. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikesandiego.org/pipermail/sdcbc/attachments/20070416/f6122a68/attachment.html From jbochsler at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 21:13:52 2007 From: jbochsler at yahoo.com (Jack Bochsler) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SDCBC] BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radio hostseriously injured on bike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <273405.44663.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Excellent suggestion. Intersections like these would keep Theodore Pinnock busy for a long, long time. I would wager he would take the case in a heartbeat. Though taxpayers may end up paying thru the nose. If you don't know Pinnock: http://www.pacificresearch.org/press/opd/2006/opd_06-09-01ha.html jack --- John Eldon wrote: > Perhaps we should invoke the Americans with Disabilities Act. I > cannot > imagine traversing that intersection, in its current configuration, > on a > mobility scooter, yet one should have the right to do so safely. > -----Original Message----- > From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org > [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Mike Berry > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:42 PM > To: 'Jim Baross'; 'Sdcbc' > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS > radio > hostseriously injured on bike > > > The turn is severe, but at the point the bicyclist makes his left > hand > move to the straight thru bike lane (the start of which is a good > distance > from the intersection) the cars are still moving rather quickly in > the right > hand turn lane, and that's what makes it difficult to negotiate, > especially > when you're when your moving at less than 10 mph due to the hill. > > > > We could describe it to death but the best way is to observe the > intersection firsthand, preferably in the afternoon when the traffic > is > heavier and the drivers more aggressive. > > > > Now that I think about it, it's also a hazard for pedestrians as > drivers > treat it as a free right hand turn. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jbochsler at yahoo.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone other than the mail robot, send > e-mail to postmaster at stickman-computing.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mberry2 at cox.net Mon Apr 16 21:20:17 2007 From: mberry2 at cox.net (Mike Berry) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:20:17 -0700 Subject: [SDCBC] BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radiohostseriously injured on bike In-Reply-To: <273405.44663.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <273405.44663.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a001c7808e$8ece8900$6801a8c0@DC7JW2C1> Of course all of this happens after you've already cheated death on the Montezuma Fairmount overpass, it's all too complicated for me to explain here, but those of you who ride this route know well of where I speak...and oh yeah there's Jim's favorite bike/pedestrian bridge that takes riders over Fairmount and then challenges them to cross 3 lanes of traffic to continue West on Camino Del Rio North Wow!!! I'd be so bored without this commute Mike Berry www.sandiegocenturyriders.com Home of the San Diego Brevet Series Dedicated to the Adventure and Camaraderie of Long Distance Cycling -----Original Message----- From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org] On Behalf Of Jack Bochsler Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:14 PM To: John Eldon; sdcbc at bikesandiego.org Subject: Re: [SDCBC] BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS radiohostseriously injured on bike Excellent suggestion. Intersections like these would keep Theodore Pinnock busy for a long, long time. I would wager he would take the case in a heartbeat. Though taxpayers may end up paying thru the nose. If you don't know Pinnock: http://www.pacificresearch.org/press/opd/2006/opd_06-09-01ha.html jack --- John Eldon wrote: > Perhaps we should invoke the Americans with Disabilities Act. I > cannot > imagine traversing that intersection, in its current configuration, > on a > mobility scooter, yet one should have the right to do so safely. > -----Original Message----- > From: sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org > [mailto:sdcbc-bounces at bikesandiego.org]On Behalf Of Mike Berry > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:42 PM > To: 'Jim Baross'; 'Sdcbc' > Subject: Re: [SDCBC] FW: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE: News Metro -- KPBS > radio > hostseriously injured on bike > > > The turn is severe, but at the point the bicyclist makes his left > hand > move to the straight thru bike lane (the start of which is a good > distance > from the intersection) the cars are still moving rather quickly in > the right > hand turn lane, and that's what makes it difficult to negotiate, > especially > when you're when your moving at less than 10 mph due to the hill. > > > > We could describe it to death but the best way is to observe the > intersection firsthand, preferably in the afternoon when the traffic > is > heavier and the drivers more aggressive. > > > > Now that I think about it, it's also a hazard for pedestrians as > drivers > treat it as a free right hand turn. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to the SDCBC mailing list as jbochsler at yahoo.com > To unsubscribe or change mailing options, go to > http://www.bikesandiego.org/mailman/listinfo/sdcbc > List privacy information is located at > http://www.stickman-computing.org/aup > For help or to talk with someone othe